Lance, Barry, Dumbya, and Journey

[Perry_Rainbows]

Here are some UNFAIR criticisms:
1) Bush lied about the invasion of Iraq. (PROVE IT.

Three words

Downing. Street. Memo.

[WalrusOct9]

Here are some UNFAIR criticisms:
1) Bush lied about the invasion of Iraq. (PROVE IT..we all thought Saddam was a risk, and he did fund HAMAS).
2) Bush's actions or nonactions resulted in the Katrina aftermath. (PLEASE, the local government and stubborn unprepared people were as much if not more at fault. And the levies were ignored by MANY administrations. Kayne West can Fuck off).
3) Bush is a racist (PUH-LEEEZE. Condi and Colin and a pushover to Hispanics)
4) Gas prices are Bush's fault (Yeah..about as much as they are my fault)
5) The debt is Bush's responsibility (The deficit may be, but the debt is not. And budget surpluses only means over-taxation)

1) A country with no nuclear capability needs to be invaded, while countries like Iran and North Korea who have serious, known nuclear programs, can be dealt with "diplomatically." Three years ago in the buildup to the war, Bush couldn't even spell the word "diplomacy," much less participate in it.

2) Could Bush have pushed a magic button to clean up New Orleans the day after Katrina? No. Were there many, many things the Bush administration could have done both before the hurricane hit and in the immediate 48-72 hours afterwards? Yes. Publically congratulating the train-wreck that was Michael Brown just emphasized how completely detached from reality that entire administration was, and since then, numerous emails and documents have emerged showing just how unprepared and unresponsive they were.

3) *shrug* I have no idea. Bush obviously doesn't give a crap about the lower levels of the income ladder, but I don't think that has anything to do with race.

4) Bush & Cheney are so closely tied with the oil industry that you can't help but partially blame it on Bush...plus you add in his piss-poor handling of middle east diplomacy and him bombing the shit out of other nations...if Gore had won would gas be $1.20 again? Probably not. But Bush could do something...even if it doesn't work, you have the best and most powerful advisors and government in the world, surely you could come up with a few ideas. Maybe they won't all work, but at least try something, make it look like you care. On the other hand, Bush's biggest campaign contributors are all pocketing billions from charging $3 a gallon, you really think he's going to alienate them?

5) The debt is every president's responsibility. A budget surplus technically is over-taxation. But to go from a surplus to a massive deficit in one year is huge. Here's an easy way to cut taxes: Stop sending hundreds of billions of dollars to Iraq and instead use it to help our schools...use it to fight poverty, use it to somehow encourage businesses to stop shipping jobs overseas...anything would be more practical than giving it to Halliburton. Obviously after we started bombing them out of fear of non-existant nuclear weapons, this is no longer an option. BUT...starting two expensive wars AND cutting (mostly) rich people's taxes at the same time is bad fiscal policy. No one likes taxes, but you can't pay less taxes while your government spends more, unless you live in Bush's world, I guess.

[Eric]

Okay.....many good points....

1) In hindsight...no Iraq didn't need to be invaded. I am all for a pre-emptive strike on N.Korea. Iran makes me nervous

2) He could have done better and he admitted as much, but hammering the admin should have been very low on the priority list

3) Well, people who pay a little tax or no tax didn't get refunds. The rich pay the majority of the taxes. This poor little guy syndrome is just complaining and I'm tired of it. And I make only 40k a year, so I'm nothing. You can't expect people to keep acheiving if the success they get from it just results in heavy taxing and entitlements.

4) He has tried to push through artic drilling and mentions alternative fuel sources more than any other president ever has. Is it enough? Probably not. His personal story.....well I think that gets overblown. And his diplomacy has more successes than get mentioned. He has confronted problems....you have to admit.

5) We went to deficit because of the tax cuts to get us out of the recession (a recession is 2 consecutive quarters of negative GDP...GDP is comprised 2/3 by consumer spending...tax cuts spurs spending...quite simple). I really don't care about deficits, they haven't ever proven to be a serious detriment. I do want spending controlled so as to not turn them into MASSIVE deficits. Start with cutting entitlements. And with regard to Halliburton.....they are one of a few of that do that kind of work, and they are arguably the best at it. I give work to my friends to...aint that networking? I also don't think he STARTED 2 wars. Can you really say he started the war on the Taliban Government in Afghanistan? And can you really say that isn't worthwhile? Also, debt can be misleading. Some of that is just money we owe ourselves,....and some of it wouldn't be there if countries paid their debt to us.

Anyway, you are probably much smarter than me...its just I have to argue with these morons who go around playing the race card, blaming the rich for their problems, asking for handouts, reciting 9-11 conspiracies, thinking we are at war with IRAQUIS and AFGHANS and not the terrorists within...etc. It is all very frustrating....this BLAME BUSH thing. Bush is a D president on the verge of failing, however, that is a lot different than the 0 grade many people give him. He could be judged in textbooks someday as a very strong leader.

[cetera]

Bush is a D president on the verge of failing, however, that is a lot different than the 0 grade many people give him. He could be judged in textbooks someday as a very strong leader.

Or alternatively he could be simply omitted.....or marked down as the most embarassing President in history and the man who destroyed America (having wiped most of the rest of the world off the map...)

[captexshreve]

[quote="Eric"]Okay.....many good points....



5) We went to deficit because of the tax cuts to get us out of the recession (a recession is 2 consecutive quarters of negative GDP...GDP is comprised 2/3 by consumer spending...tax cuts spurs spending...quite simple). I really don't care about deficits, they haven't ever proven to be a serious detriment. I do want spending controlled so as to not turn them into MASSIVE deficits. Start with cutting entitlements. And with regard to Halliburton.....they are one of a few of that do that kind of work, and they are arguably the best at it. I give work to my friends to...aint that networking? I also don't think he STARTED 2 wars. Can you really say he started the war on the Taliban Government in Afghanistan? And can you really say that isn't worthwhile? Also, debt can be misleading. Some of that is just money we owe ourselves,....and some of it wouldn't be there if countries paid their debt to us.

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The surplus was already a fiction before Bush got elected, and you may thank Senator Glenn
for that...although in 2002 the president did then give away millions of $$ that we didn't have and knew we didn't have.

[Argus]

GWB is at fault for everything, riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight NWMT