WELL, WE CAN ALL END THIS CRAP NOW

[knox]

If they are posting premature reviews at Backtalk then perhaps this goes deeper than just the band. Perhaps the higher ups at Backtalk are involved as well - posting rave reviews before the crappy show has even played out.

If that is true, that is.

[Rockindeano]

Yep, scrath this. Major prolem. We are back at it. Sorry, false alarm.

At least you held your word for this short of time, but we all knew it wouldn't last.

Hey dweeb, you think I enjoy this? You think I like getting threats, death mail and harrassed?

I was so glad He sang live in NY....But news is they aren't live anylonger.

[KittyKat]

and they have nothing to hide... um ok. If they believe it, that's all that matters. to them.

I'd encourage anyone who see's this stuff, to do a screen capture.

Tell me how and I'll do it, I'm seeing and remembering and saving quite a bit but the review for tonight was from a guy who said he was going to leave after Journey's set and was ranting about them not being an opening band much less for def leppard, all around pissed off attitude. Several of the most recent ones for Mohegan weren't there when the site went down and I've been checking for it to come back up so it hasn't been back online that long anyway and match some of them up with names and locations and the posts on backtalk dixie hwy page. I know which ones were there so how where they posted from a show two days ago on the tour review section and none of the new ones match up to screen names on the backtalk pages where you will see some post both places. If they see this that may change too or it'll go back offline again. Next the reviews on DL's site are gonna be screened because they don't don't agree with the Journey reviews either.

[knox]

Kat, when you are on the page, hit the "Prtscrn" (print screen) button - should be somewhere in the upper right hand area of the keyboard. That will copy what you are looking at.

Open Paint program, then hit control + "v". This will paste it to your paint program. You can then save it.

[KittyKat]

If they are posting premature reviews at Backtalk then perhaps this goes deeper than just the band. Perhaps the higher ups at Backtalk are involved as well - posting rave reviews before the crappy show has even played out.

If that is true, that is.

See my post above for what it was about, not crappy just ranting somewhat displeased but I posted to a thread in backtalk that was 2 pages long started a couple of days ago then searched for it, didn't post. I did the refresh thing still didn't post and rechecked. I'll go look again to see if they let it through since it was a roundabout type thing nothing direct but easily understandable if they saw the sarcasm.

[knox]

If they go back to tape, surely everyone will know now, right?

Or will they say "He was sick at Jones Beach"?

What a crock of crap. This guy has more illnesses than Typhoid Mary.

Deano, anyone who doubted the evidence - after listening to this sample - has no way out now.

Even Frank can't argue with this sorry excuse of singing. Heck, put me up there and I will do better than this!

[Monker]

Hey dweeb, you think I enjoy this? You think I like getting threats, death mail and harrassed?

Oh, I think you do!

[KittyKat]

ok still not there and it was to reply to a recent post from a DL fan who said they went and bought Journey's recent albums and he likes them better than Perry era stuff and continues to talk about how DL got back in the spotlight recently with media appearances and last years tour, etc. so I just agreed that Journey should do lots of media like tv, radio and interviews just like DL. I thought it would be a good idea.

[JrnySuxBalls]

Hey dweeb, you think I enjoy this? You think I like getting threats, death mail and harrassed?

I thought Journey fans were all about bunnies & kittens, family & the heartland. Death threats?

[FormerJrnyFan]

I think the bunnies & kittens are just BT folk... used to be one, so I would know...

[JrnySuxBalls]

I think the bunnies & kittens are just BT folk... used to be one, so I would know...

[Trouble Child]

Yep, scrath this. Major prolem. We are back at it. Sorry, false alarm.

At least you held your word for this short of time, but we all knew it wouldn't last.

Hey dweeb, you think I enjoy this? You think I like getting threats, death mail and harrassed?

I was so glad He sang live in NY....But news is they aren't live anylonger.

Yes as matter of fact I do think you enjoy it. You thrive on it or you would end it as you said you would.

[*Laura]

My heart sank when I heard Augeri’s voice on these songs.I really feel for him and it is so very sad that he ended up being in such a bad vocal shape.
By the way his voice sounds I can tell this is not what they call “a bad night”….
Unfortunately,whatever is happening to his chords may be irreversible.Even if he would get treatment and coaching,I don’t think he will ever be back to normal.

I believe his voice deteriorated because of the songs he was forced to sing while on tour.
The old Journey songs are not written for his type of voice or range,so year after year he struggled to perform them live night after night.

This is the most terrible thing that could happen to a singer.
He should have retired before getting here.

[i]

Seriously, there is definitely something medically wrong with his throat on those clips. That is not normal. He needs to stop, get help and rest - not go on this fairly brutal tour. Very stupid, on SO many levels. I feel for the guy. that was rough to hear.

[SusieP]

That was very uncomfortable listening.
Poor guy.
How much pressure must he be under to get up in front of all those people knowing he is not on form?
And how can those who are pressurising him (whoever they are) feel good about themselves listening to him struggle?

For all band members pressure to perform live comes from all different sources, the rest of a band, management, tour promoters, fans, financial necessity, contractual obligation - and of course, the performer themselves.

This is a very sad situation. Steve needs to rest that voice, see what damage has been done - and either retire if it's permanent, or come back when it is rested or have surgery and rest until it is fixed.

He should not feel obliged to continue. I hope it is not permanently damaged, I really do.

Listening to these clips, one can perhaps understand why the employment of vocal help may have been considered as an option (if indeed it was).
But one can't really understand why the decision to cancel wasn't considered and decided upon.

I don't know the tour dates - how many more shows have they left to do? And are there nights off inbetween?

What a shame if he has to finish his singing career under a cloud.

[NealIsGod]

Gee, a mysterious email got you to keep up your crusade? Someone with a brain might actually think you had no intention of stopping your efforts, and that this thread was simply another way to keep your name at the top of the board. I guess you have to find new ways to try to keep interest up since all you can do is post the same "evidence" over and over.

[JrnySuxBalls]

I feel bad for Augeri, but on the other hand he's had 8 years to get it together.

I know singers that make but a fraction of what he makes, and do multiple gigs per day...
alot more than a 2 hour show. And they work their butts off to sound good and sing correctly.
(oh and they don't have monitor mixers all the time).

[Jeremey]

I feel bad for Augeri, but on the other hand he's had 8 years to get it together.

I know singers that make but a fraction of what he makes, and do multiple gigs per day...
alot more than a 2 hour show. And they work their butts off to sound good and sing correctly.
(oh and they don't have monitor mixers all the time).

Yeah, singing a total of 10 songs in a 2 hour show (like the one I saw in November) should not totally destroy someone who is singing properly. This damage was cumulative and developed over time, because after discovering early on that this was going to be the Steve Perry show (not making a career of singing your own style a la Tall Stories), he pushed his voice into doing things it couldn't do.

The funny thing is, I remember when Deen got vocal polyps last year, and there was a big deal made about it, and how Deen needed vocal rest, etc...But I don't remember ever hearing anything acknowledged about Augeri having polyps or needing vocal rest.

[Jeremey]

Well, I know Deano may not agree with me but:

• I think the band are wusses for not addressing this right out and
• I think the band are wusses for making Augeri sing live like that and being pushed into changing the show just so they don't have to face up to anything.

While I don't like the idea of the band performing with lead vocals prerecorded - In fact, I think it's a travesy - I do believe the band had an obligation to their songs and their legacy not to allow them to be butchered like this. If there is so much alimony that another tour this year was completely necessary, then they should have done what they needed to do to respect the music - and acknowledged what was going on so people could make their own mind up. I would not go see another Steve Augeri lip-synched show, but there's still thousands of folks who would care less and still leave the show feeling good about the songs and the show.

They could have just came out and said "portions of the show are performed with backing tracks depending on Steve's vocal health, but it's our obligation to the fans to do this material justice." Or something like that. But again, it all comes down to arrogance. Not admitting what happened, then pushing Augeri into sounding like a drunk sorority girl on karaoke night just to get out of it.

For eff's sake, Journey, just do the right thing.

[mrsp]

That sword you mention, Journeycat, it's double-edged.

[Eric]

I expected to hear AWFUL and all I heard average Augeri. The start of DSB was definitely its typical un-perrylike......but I just don't hear it being terrible.

I did think the keys sounded flat? Just me?

[wildone]

Yep, scrath this. Major prolem. We are back at it. Sorry, false alarm.

At least you held your word for this short of time, but we all knew it wouldn't last.

Come on this is to much fun to let go!!!

[Rockindeano]

Gee, a mysterious email got you to keep up your crusade? Someone with a brain might actually think you had no intention of stopping your efforts, and that this thread was simply another way to keep your name at the top of the board. I guess you have to find new ways to try to keep interest up since all you can do is post the same "evidence" over and over.

Actually, an email from Jrnyjunkie, providing the "live clips" was the first, and what you heard was Augeri live.

Another email told me they just went live for 2 shows, because certain radio was taping these shows.


You and 13 owe me an apology, because I turned out to be 100% correct, but on second thought, keep your apoplogies....you two are spineless and faceless.

[EightyRock]

I don't get what they are doing. They had to have known his voice was shot and Deen had problems last year too. They just couldn't resist the lure of more money and a double bill with Def Leppard? I guess if like Deano said they were doing this last year too, they thought they could pull it off again this year without anyone discovering it? Where is the integrity to uphold the legacy they built? Why would Augeri risk ruining his voice for life and any credibilty he could have had as a decent singer just for another tour? This is all about contracts and money? Don't they have they reasoning power of at least one total brain between all of them? God, that is bad, just BAD.

[Moon Beam]

This just sickens the hell outta me.
I feel bad that Augeri is not in good
vocal health and that this is still
continuing but whats worse to me is
the laughs and friendships that were once
shared here are now torn in two over
a much loved band.
I understand that this has been taken to heart
by many but to now despise folks you once
enjoyed speaking to is just ridiculous.
I look back to the laughs shared by a few members
here back in March and April and it makes me sad
to know things have went so sour.
Is this how you would encourage your children to
live and forgive with their friends?
I know it's got nothing to do with me and I'm sure
I'll get flamed for saying these things but to me the
friendships are more important than whats going on
with the band.

[NealIsGod]

I can handle when someone disagrees with me, Moonie. Dean can't. He becomes a rabid animal. Who the hell wants a friend like that? Fuck it.

[KittyKat]

Kat, when you are on the page, hit the "Prtscrn" (print screen) button - should be somewhere in the upper right hand area of the keyboard. That will copy what you are looking at.

Open Paint program, then hit control + "v". This will paste it to your paint program. You can then save it.

Ok thanks, got it and wrote it down
Go see the two reviews I posted for last nights show in the Scranton thread, notice the first is from Gene Padden same guy that just did the integrity and conviction interview on Journey with Jon Cain. He also contacted their publicist first about the lip syncing allegations and she was concerned yes but cannot comment he told me and he e-mailed me as soon as he got back last night and told me the singer was terrible and sent me both reviews that I posted on the scranton thread. I knew they were gonna be there last night and from the tapes Deano posted from Jones beach you can tell he wasn't lip syncing then either. They know these shows are being watched and even taped, reviews aren't so great anymore.

[Moon Beam]

Okay NIG that sounds good enough to me.
Just makes me sad is all.
How's the vacation going by the way?
Any Journey tunes being played?

[Red13JoePa]

Gee, a mysterious email got you to keep up your crusade? Someone with a brain might actually think you had no intention of stopping your efforts, and that this thread was simply another way to keep your name at the top of the board. I guess you have to find new ways to try to keep interest up since all you can do is post the same "evidence" over and over.

Actually, an email from Jrnyjunkie, providing the "live clips" was the first, and what you heard was Augeri live.

Another email told me they just went live for 2 shows, because certain radio was taping these shows.


You and 13 owe me an apology, because I turned out to be 100% correct, but on second thought, keep your apoplogies....you two are spineless and faceless.

What? Wait a minute. Is this before or after Andrew's report said there was no lip synching going on and you came in and raised a white flag of surrender? You were devasted and told me not gloat and I didn't. You accused Andrew and the media of not backing you up at that point and started the "Since no one will back me (which meant people did not believe he was lipping), I'm taking to another level" portion of the campaign that included the eloquent "Neal and Jon you are cocksuckers" post.
Now it's revised back again to you being 100% correct? I can't follow it anymore but whatever the case, he still sounded good to me and about 10k others opening night.

[Rockindeano]

Ever think that I had all the support needed, and a certain person suddenly had his hands tied behind his back due to Journey Management? I never surrender nor would I. I would however, admit I was wrong, unlike you and NIG who just deny that you are in denial.