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Postby conversationpc » Sun Jul 02, 2006 11:26 am

RossValoryRocks wrote:When has Journey ever REALLY gotten good press reviews? Never is the answer, the press didn't like them with Perry, they don't like them now.


That's certainly part of it. The guy who reviews the local shows here in the Indianapolis area has given Journey a bad review every time they've been in town since I lived here. There's no way that at least the first two shows I saw in this area weren't any good. It seemed like his mind was already made up that he wouldn't like the show.
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Postby ohsherrie » Sun Jul 02, 2006 11:30 am

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The reviewer did say "Lead singer Joe Elliot has lost some range..." If he noticed Elliot's voice didn't sound quite as good, don't you think he would've mentioned the same thing about Augeri?


As I said in my initial post about this review, I think the reviewer knew more about Def than about Journey.
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Postby ohsherrie » Sun Jul 02, 2006 11:47 am

RVR,

I know the press has never been kind to Journey, but I'm not sure that's relevant to reviews done today. The people who resented Journey in the old days don't even care about them today. Most of these people who are reviewing them today are people who don't even see Journey as relevant to music today, they're reviewing nostalgia acts. They don't care about what was or what may be for them.

Are the good reviews you're talking about the ones that are allowed on BT? I'm sure someone with enough time could find a bad one for every good one, but I don't have that kind of time on here. Yes, that's the nature of the beast, but the thing that makes the first review in this thread relevant is that it focused on the vocals. This reviewer obviously saw that there was a problem. There is a problem, and it's becoming increasingly hard to ignore it. That is, unless you just want to.
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Postby Abitaman » Sun Jul 02, 2006 11:48 am

I have seen bad reviews with Perry at the helm, plus groups like Styx, Foreigner, Rush, this is nothing new-ERIC
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Postby perryfaithful » Sun Jul 02, 2006 11:49 am

"An undertone of disappointment!"
Here is another review..

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http://www.thetimes-tribune.com/site/ne ... 6046&rfi=6

With the rain that soaked the area all week gone by Friday night, 10,500 people came to rock out at the Toyota Pavilion at Montage Mountain, with generations of fans gathering to enjoy the classic rock sounds of Journey and Def Leppard.

Journey kicked off the night with a high-energy tune including the typical Journey elements of electrifying guitar solos and pounding drum beats.

As the night wore on, Journey mixed old favorites like “Be Good to Yourself” and “Wheel in the Sky” with more unfamiliar recent songs.

Although a few diehard fans scattered throughout sang and danced with lead singer Steve Augeri, an undertone of disappointment spread through the Pavilion. Unfortunately, although their names sound similar, there was no mistaking Mr. Augeri for rock legend and former front man Steve Perry.

It took one of the band’s more mellow hits, “Faithfully,” to get the crowd on its feet an hour into the show. Fans were finally able experience the emotion of a true rock concert for the last three songs in the set, when they drowned out Mr. Augeri’s vocals with their own vocals on “Don’t Stop Believin’,” “Separate Ways” and “Any Way You Want It.”

The performance ended on a good note, with the band bowing together at center stage and drummer Dean Castronovo throwing his drumsticks to a few lucky fans. If only they could’ve started as well as they finished.

Taking the stage around 9:45 p.m., Def Leppard significantly livened up the proceedings with an intricate, revved up performance that mixed classics like “Foolin’,” ”Hysteria” and “Photograph,” with well-known cover songs from its latest album, “Yeah!”
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Postby RossValoryRocks » Sun Jul 02, 2006 11:50 am

Abitaman wrote:I have seen bad reviews with Perry at the helm, plus groups like Styx, Foreigner, Rush, this is nothing new-ERIC


The only thing "new" is the fact that many of the people here only seem to find reviews that are negative, as if NO ONE could like Journey for any reason.
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Postby RossValoryRocks » Sun Jul 02, 2006 11:54 am

perryfaithful wrote:A disappointed crowd! HEre is another review.....

http://www.thetimes-tribune.com/site/ne ... 6046&rfi=6


Wasn't this one already posted? Anyways...

Of course casual fans would be disappointed, Journey played some tunes they weren't familiar with.

The casual fan wants ONLY the dirty dozen...plus maybe a random tune from Departure, Escape or Frontiers thrown in. So therefore it would only be logical to assume they would be disappointed, and that only "diehard" fans know the newer material.
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Postby KittyKat » Sun Jul 02, 2006 12:07 pm

Yes RVR, I posted that one too. There is another unfavoravle one from the Ct. show done by Hartford Courant that I found on the UK DL site but can't copy or link to. There are actually 3 reviews in this thread for the Scranton show.
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Postby LAWoman » Sun Jul 02, 2006 12:14 pm

If Journey are all washed up, hardly play live music and give nothing but poor shows, then, why, oh why do the people who believe that not just walk away? I don't like REO and I think they have gone drastically downhill in the last several years, but I don't spend any time on their website posting negative things.

That has always been the most amazing thing about these never-ending arguments/discussions. Why can't the people who don't like Journey as they are now just walk away? Journey are not "yours". They are not elected officials or a public corporation. They are a group of professional musicians who are making whatever decisions they make for their own reasons. If you don't like them--don't buy their CDs and don't go to their shows.
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Postby ohsherrie » Sun Jul 02, 2006 12:18 pm

RossValoryRocks wrote:Wasn't this one already posted? Anyways...


No, different review, same message.

Of course casual fans would be disappointed, Journey played some tunes they weren't familiar with.

The casual fan wants ONLY the dirty dozen...plus maybe a random tune from Departure, Escape or Frontiers thrown in. So therefore it would only be logical to assume they would be disappointed, and that only "diehard" fans know the newer material.


Don't you realize how much that sounds like a lame justification? I don't like seeing this happen to musicians as great as Jon and Neal either, but they brought it on themselves. I feel sorry for Augeri because in his relative innocence he became a pawn in Neal's quest to be the star of Journey and lost what was a good voice because of it.
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Postby RossValoryRocks » Sun Jul 02, 2006 12:22 pm

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RossValoryRocks wrote:Wasn't this one already posted? Anyways...


No, different review, same message.

Of course casual fans would be disappointed, Journey played some tunes they weren't familiar with.

The casual fan wants ONLY the dirty dozen...plus maybe a random tune from Departure, Escape or Frontiers thrown in. So therefore it would only be logical to assume they would be disappointed, and that only "diehard" fans know the newer material.


Don't you realize how much that sounds like a lame justification? I don't like seeing this happen to musicians as great as Jon and Neal either, but they brought it on themselves. I feel sorry for Augeri because in his relative innocence he became a pawn in Neal's quest to be the star of Journey and lost what was a good voice because of it.


I don't give justifications, because I don't make decisions based on emotion. I examine the facts and use my brain to figure things out.
The facts support my view, you view is colored by your emotional state in regards to Journey right now, and there for is unsupportable by facts.
There is nothing wrong with that, as long as you understand that building an argument on emotion makes the argument unprovable.
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Postby NealIsGod » Sun Jul 02, 2006 12:24 pm

LAWoman wrote:If Journey are all washed up, hardly play live music and give nothing but poor shows, then, why, oh why do the people who believe that not just walk away? I don't like REO and I think they have gone drastically downhill in the last several years, but I don't spend any time on their website posting negative things.


That's because you are normal. I am sure REO has plenty of people who just go on message boards to try to piss people off, too. Every message board has them.
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Postby ohsherrie » Sun Jul 02, 2006 12:29 pm

LAWoman wrote:Why can't the people who don't like Journey as they are now just walk away? .


Because the Journey that once was means something to us and we don't like seeing it brought this low.
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Postby NealIsGod » Sun Jul 02, 2006 12:31 pm

ohsherrie wrote:
LAWoman wrote:Why can't the people who don't like Journey as they are now just walk away? .


Because the Journey that once was means something to us and we don't like seeing it brought this low.


Well, if you don't like it, then move on with your life. That is her point.
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Postby wildone » Sun Jul 02, 2006 12:43 pm

NealIsGod wrote:
ohsherrie wrote:
LAWoman wrote:Why can't the people who don't like Journey as they are now just walk away? .


Because the Journey that once was means something to us and we don't like seeing it brought this low.


Well, if you don't like it, then move on with your life. That is her point.
Yeah but maybe as along time fan who was there for the band all those years and now getting slapped by the band.....It's not right... whats up with that ???There just supposed to walk away without any type of word from said band ???come on get real...
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Postby RossValoryRocks » Sun Jul 02, 2006 12:46 pm

wildone wrote:
NealIsGod wrote:
ohsherrie wrote:
LAWoman wrote:Why can't the people who don't like Journey as they are now just walk away? .


Because the Journey that once was means something to us and we don't like seeing it brought this low.


Well, if you don't like it, then move on with your life. That is her point.
Yeah but maybe as along time fan who was there for the band all those years and now getting slapped by the band.....It's not right... whats up with that ???There just supposed to walk away without any type of word from said band ???come on get real...


Actually YES. You don't own Journey, and they don't OWE you, me or anyone ANYTHING. If you don't like them anymore then don't go see them anymore, don't buy any of the new music. You seem to think you are entitled to something, and you aren't.
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Postby wildone » Sun Jul 02, 2006 12:49 pm

RossValoryRocks wrote:
wildone wrote:
NealIsGod wrote:
ohsherrie wrote:
LAWoman wrote:Why can't the people who don't like Journey as they are now just walk away? .


Because the Journey that once was means something to us and we don't like seeing it brought this low.


Well, if you don't like it, then move on with your life. That is her point.
Yeah but maybe as along time fan who was there for the band all those years and now getting slapped by the band.....It's not right... whats up with that ???There just supposed to walk away without any type of word from said band ???come on get real...


Actually YES. You don't own Journey, and they don't OWE you, me or anyone ANYTHING. If you don't like them anymore then don't go see them anymore, don't buy any of the new music. You seem to think you are entitled to something, and you aren't.
nah just alil honesty from a band i helped put food on there table ...I guess your so right :roll:
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Postby ohsherrie » Sun Jul 02, 2006 12:52 pm

NealIsGod wrote:
Well, if you don't like it, then move on with your life. That is her point.


My life has moved on NIG, quite a bit, but my taste in music hasn't changed much.

It's about Journey, not just the band as it exists today. Journey started way before this incarnation and we're all fans of Journey here whether or not we support the current band. All of our opinions are valid even if they don't agree.
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Postby Monker » Sun Jul 02, 2006 12:53 pm

ohsherrie wrote:
LAWoman wrote:Why can't the people who don't like Journey as they are now just walk away? .


Because the Journey that once was means something to us and we don't like seeing it brought this low.


Then you are a fragile person if you allow what is current to change your feelings for the past.
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Postby wildone » Sun Jul 02, 2006 12:55 pm

Monker wrote:
ohsherrie wrote:
LAWoman wrote:Why can't the people who don't like Journey as they are now just walk away? .


Because the Journey that once was means something to us and we don't like seeing it brought this low.


Then you are a fragile person if you allow what is current to change your feelings for the past.
maybe it's just that we don't like the way there tarnishing the past!!
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Postby RossValoryRocks » Sun Jul 02, 2006 12:56 pm

wildone wrote:
RossValoryRocks wrote:
wildone wrote:
NealIsGod wrote:
ohsherrie wrote:
LAWoman wrote:Why can't the people who don't like Journey as they are now just walk away? .


Because the Journey that once was means something to us and we don't like seeing it brought this low.


Well, if you don't like it, then move on with your life. That is her point.
Yeah but maybe as along time fan who was there for the band all those years and now getting slapped by the band.....It's not right... whats up with that ???There just supposed to walk away without any type of word from said band ???come on get real...


Actually YES. You don't own Journey, and they don't OWE you, me or anyone ANYTHING. If you don't like them anymore then don't go see them anymore, don't buy any of the new music. You seem to think you are entitled to something, and you aren't.
nah just alil honesty from a band i helped put food on there table ...I guess your so right :roll:


OH Please! how much have you spent on Journey over your life? Most of it went to the promoters, Sony, etc etc, very little of your money went to the band. It's the large number of people over time contributing small amounts over time that put food on their table.

And regardless they still don't owe you anything for that, the money wasn't a loan, there was no interest on it they has to pay back. You spent money to be entertained, if you were entertained either by a show, the CDs or what have you then you got your moneys worth.
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Postby Monker » Sun Jul 02, 2006 12:57 pm

wildone wrote:maybe it's just that we don't like the way there tarnishing the past!!


Then you're not fragile.

You're an idiot if you think what is current is going to 'tarnish' the past.
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Postby wildone » Sun Jul 02, 2006 12:57 pm

RossValoryRocks wrote:
wildone wrote:
RossValoryRocks wrote:
wildone wrote:
NealIsGod wrote:
ohsherrie wrote:
LAWoman wrote:Why can't the people who don't like Journey as they are now just walk away? .


Because the Journey that once was means something to us and we don't like seeing it brought this low.


Well, if you don't like it, then move on with your life. That is her point.
Yeah but maybe as along time fan who was there for the band all those years and now getting slapped by the band.....It's not right... whats up with that ???There just supposed to walk away without any type of word from said band ???come on get real...


Actually YES. You don't own Journey, and they don't OWE you, me or anyone ANYTHING. If you don't like them anymore then don't go see them anymore, don't buy any of the new music. You seem to think you are entitled to something, and you aren't.
nah just alil honesty from a band i helped put food on there table ...I guess your so right :roll:


OH Please! how much have you spent on Journey over your life? Most of it went to the promoters, Sony, etc etc, very little of your money went to the band. It's the large number of people over time contributing small amounts over time that put food on their table.

And regardless they still don't owe you anything for that, the money wasn't a loan, there was no interest on it they has to pay back. You spent money to be entertained, if you were entertained either by a show, the CDs or what have you then you got your moneys worth.
sorry live is live ...not prerecorded...but to some morons they can't tell the diff or just aren't bright enough to know the difference..
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Postby RossValoryRocks » Sun Jul 02, 2006 12:59 pm

wildone wrote:
Monker wrote:
ohsherrie wrote:
LAWoman wrote:Why can't the people who don't like Journey as they are now just walk away? .


Because the Journey that once was means something to us and we don't like seeing it brought this low.


Then you are a fragile person if you allow what is current to change your feelings for the past.
maybe it's just that we don't like the way there tarnishing the past!!


It's not your right to worry about who is tarnishing what. That's your opinion, but that it isn't the opinion of EVERY fan. So what makes your opinion matter more than theirs? For some reason you and others seem to think that your opinions are worth more, and they aren't.
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Postby Monker » Sun Jul 02, 2006 1:00 pm

wildone wrote:but to some morons they can't tell the diff or just aren't bright enough to know the difference..


...and to other morons, offering an audience recorded bootleg of a concert is proof a huge conspiracy.
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Postby RossValoryRocks » Sun Jul 02, 2006 1:01 pm

wildone wrote:
RossValoryRocks wrote:
wildone wrote:
RossValoryRocks wrote:
wildone wrote:
NealIsGod wrote:
ohsherrie wrote:
LAWoman wrote:Why can't the people who don't like Journey as they are now just walk away? .


Because the Journey that once was means something to us and we don't like seeing it brought this low.


Well, if you don't like it, then move on with your life. That is her point.
Yeah but maybe as along time fan who was there for the band all those years and now getting slapped by the band.....It's not right... whats up with that ???There just supposed to walk away without any type of word from said band ???come on get real...


Actually YES. You don't own Journey, and they don't OWE you, me or anyone ANYTHING. If you don't like them anymore then don't go see them anymore, don't buy any of the new music. You seem to think you are entitled to something, and you aren't.
nah just alil honesty from a band i helped put food on there table ...I guess your so right :roll:


OH Please! how much have you spent on Journey over your life? Most of it went to the promoters, Sony, etc etc, very little of your money went to the band. It's the large number of people over time contributing small amounts over time that put food on their table.

And regardless they still don't owe you anything for that, the money wasn't a loan, there was no interest on it they has to pay back. You spent money to be entertained, if you were entertained either by a show, the CDs or what have you then you got your moneys worth.
sorry live is live ...not prerecorded...but to some morons they can't tell the diff or just aren't bright enough to know the difference..


You didn't answer one question I asked, or respond to one statement I made. I will put it as simple as I can.

Journey owes you nothing, period, not legally, not morally not in anyway. As I said you paid money to be entertained, finding out after the fact that if was different that your perception of the events still doesn't entitle you to a thing no matter how you choose to look at it.
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Postby wildone » Sun Jul 02, 2006 1:02 pm

RossValoryRocks wrote:
wildone wrote:
Monker wrote:
ohsherrie wrote:
LAWoman wrote:Why can't the people who don't like Journey as they are now just walk away? .


Because the Journey that once was means something to us and we don't like seeing it brought this low.


Then you are a fragile person if you allow what is current to change your feelings for the past.
maybe it's just that we don't like the way there tarnishing the past!!


It's not your right to worry about who is tarnishing what. That's your opinion, but that it isn't the opinion of EVERY fan. So what makes your opinion matter more than theirs? For some reason you and others seem to think that your opinions are worth more, and they aren't.
Hmmm I guess it's all on honesty and telling the truth good or bad that's how i was raised if you have a question ask it...simple as that really.
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Postby RossValoryRocks » Sun Jul 02, 2006 1:06 pm

wildone wrote:
RossValoryRocks wrote:
wildone wrote:
Monker wrote:
ohsherrie wrote:
LAWoman wrote:Why can't the people who don't like Journey as they are now just walk away? .


Because the Journey that once was means something to us and we don't like seeing it brought this low.


Then you are a fragile person if you allow what is current to change your feelings for the past.
maybe it's just that we don't like the way there tarnishing the past!!


It's not your right to worry about who is tarnishing what. That's your opinion, but that it isn't the opinion of EVERY fan. So what makes your opinion matter more than theirs? For some reason you and others seem to think that your opinions are worth more, and they aren't.
Hmmm I guess it's all on honesty and telling the truth good or bad that's how i was raised if you have a question ask it...simple as that really.


That's fine, and good on your parents for raising you that way. But again that is truth as YOU see it. No everyone believes what you believe, and that is their right and yours, so when you post about how ripped off you are why are you surprised that the people who don't believe that Journey has been lipsynching question you?
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Postby wildone » Sun Jul 02, 2006 1:08 pm

RossValoryRocks wrote:
wildone wrote:
RossValoryRocks wrote:
wildone wrote:
Monker wrote:
ohsherrie wrote:
LAWoman wrote:Why can't the people who don't like Journey as they are now just walk away? .


Because the Journey that once was means something to us and we don't like seeing it brought this low.


Then you are a fragile person if you allow what is current to change your feelings for the past.
maybe it's just that we don't like the way there tarnishing the past!!


It's not your right to worry about who is tarnishing what. That's your opinion, but that it isn't the opinion of EVERY fan. So what makes your opinion matter more than theirs? For some reason you and others seem to think that your opinions are worth more, and they aren't.
Hmmm I guess it's all on honesty and telling the truth good or bad that's how i was raised if you have a question ask it...simple as that really.


That's fine, and good on your parents for raising you that way. But again that is truth as YOU see it. No everyone believes what you believe, and that is their right and yours, so when you post about how ripped off you are why are you surprised that the people who don't believe that Journey has been lipsynching question you?
It's funny how the uk stuff is so amazing ...but then all this comes up they come back home and written reviews say he doesn't sound very good....
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Postby RossValoryRocks » Sun Jul 02, 2006 1:17 pm

wildone wrote:
RossValoryRocks wrote:
wildone wrote:
RossValoryRocks wrote:
wildone wrote:
Monker wrote:
ohsherrie wrote:
LAWoman wrote:Why can't the people who don't like Journey as they are now just walk away? .


Because the Journey that once was means something to us and we don't like seeing it brought this low.


Then you are a fragile person if you allow what is current to change your feelings for the past.
maybe it's just that we don't like the way there tarnishing the past!!


It's not your right to worry about who is tarnishing what. That's your opinion, but that it isn't the opinion of EVERY fan. So what makes your opinion matter more than theirs? For some reason you and others seem to think that your opinions are worth more, and they aren't.
Hmmm I guess it's all on honesty and telling the truth good or bad that's how i was raised if you have a question ask it...simple as that really.


That's fine, and good on your parents for raising you that way. But again that is truth as YOU see it. No everyone believes what you believe, and that is their right and yours, so when you post about how ripped off you are why are you surprised that the people who don't believe that Journey has been lipsynching question you?
It's funny how the uk stuff is so amazing ...but then all this comes up they come back home and written reviews say he doesn't sound very good....


What does any of what you wrote have to do with what I posted? You hear one thing, other people hear another. Your "proof" is heard differently by different people. They have listened and don't buy it, hell they have even used it to show that it does the opposite of what you contend, some people say if anything the bootlegs prove he ISN'T lipsyching. There are written reviews that say Steve is doing fine, why do you ignore those? Because it doesn't fit your view of this issue.
Again you and others here seem to have some sense of entitlement, and you don't. PERIOD.
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