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Postby NealIsGod » Thu Jul 06, 2006 2:05 am

heardonthestreet wrote:
Liz22562 wrote:Perhaps you should give a listen to some of Neals solo work. I own every solo cd he has put out and I probably listen to those as often as I do all my Journey cd's. He's an amazing guitar player.


........................I find his solo work unutterably boring.


That's why you have no cred. You find all the solo work of one of the most well respected guitarists in rock history boring, yet you would have multiple o's listening to Perry read the phone book.
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Postby Red13JoePa » Thu Jul 06, 2006 2:05 am

heardonthestreet wrote:
Liz22562 wrote:Perhaps you should give a listen to some of Neals solo work. I own every solo cd he has put out and I probably listen to those as often as I do all my Journey cd's. He's an amazing guitar player.


........................I find his solo work unutterably boring.


Hm. You find FTLOSM to be a thrill-a-minute, solo work-wise?
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Postby heardonthestreet » Thu Jul 06, 2006 2:14 am

Red13JoePa wrote:
heardonthestreet wrote:
Liz22562 wrote:Perhaps you should give a listen to some of Neals solo work. I own every solo cd he has put out and I probably listen to those as often as I do all my Journey cd's. He's an amazing guitar player.


........................I find his solo work unutterably boring.


Hm. You find FTLOSM to be a thrill-a-minute, solo work-wise?



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Some beautiful songs for sure, Joe baby.
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Postby A Fire Inside » Thu Jul 06, 2006 2:16 am

NealIsGod wrote:That's why you have no cred. You find all the solo work of one of the most well respected guitarists in rock history boring, yet you would have multiple o's listening to Perry read the phone book.

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Postby conversationpc » Thu Jul 06, 2006 2:17 am

heardonthestreet wrote:He's is not a master guitar player. He simply masturbates his guitar. He rarely makes the top listing for guitar artists and on a lot of music boards his style or lack of, is noted.


You don't know a blessed thing about guitar playing do you? For that matter, it sounds like you've never bothered to really even listen to Neal's playing at all in Journey. Neal can shred and do it pretty well, in my opinion, but what he is actually known for is his tasteful, melodic soloing. Almost no one does it better than he does. The reason he doesn't make any of those meaningless top guitarist lists is because most of the ones that vote don't know anything other than the cheesy power ballads that had very little guitar playing going on in them. If they listened to the rest of his work in Journey and solo, for that matter, they'd likely change their mind.

Also, Neal wasn't asked to guest star in the last G3 tour for no reason. He's a monster player with chops to boot and Joe Satriani and Steve Vai don't share the stage with poor or mediocre guitarists on that tour.

Ask George Lynch (formerly of Dokken) how good Neal is. Lynch was one of several guitarists who played on the Hear 'N Aid song "We Are Stars" and he said he was amazed how good Neal was. It is widely reported that Neal smoked all the other players when that tune was recorded.

Before you make such a stupid statement about something you know nothing about, it might help to do some actual research.
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Postby EightyRock » Thu Jul 06, 2006 2:31 am

As a mega Journey fan, I will say that Neal is one of the best guitarists in the world, in my opinion. He is the reason I listened to Journey before Perry joined the band. Neal is one hell of a talent, but as a leader for a band, he's lost. So who would be a better leader for the band, Kevin Chalfant or JSS? Which one could bring better writing skills and chemistry?
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Postby whocares » Thu Jul 06, 2006 2:36 am

I sincerely hope that neither would do it, just to save face.
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Postby PROPERRY » Thu Jul 06, 2006 2:37 am

heardonthestreet wrote:
Red13JoePa wrote:
heardonthestreet wrote:
Liz22562 wrote:Perhaps you should give a listen to some of Neals solo work. I own every solo cd he has put out and I probably listen to those as often as I do all my Journey cd's. He's an amazing guitar player.


........................I find his solo work unutterably boring.


Hm. You find FTLOSM to be a thrill-a-minute, solo work-wise?



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Some beautiful songs for sure, Joe baby.



ALL of Perry's solo music is wonderful! :D

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Postby heardonthestreet » Thu Jul 06, 2006 2:37 am

That all looks good on paper.

Hagar backed out of Planet US and VH broke a promise. He was just too great for them. :lol: :lol:

If he were so great, Journey would be on top of the World right now. He turned Journey into what it is now. He can be proud of that.
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Postby jestor92 » Thu Jul 06, 2006 2:38 am

Neal is a monster guitarist plain and simple, to anyone who doesn't give the man the credit he deserves didn't make a Soul SirkUS show. I saw him with the SirkUS and was blown away by his performance. Of course he blew me away with every performance I saw wit Journey, but opening night with Soul SirkUS I was like wow, he tore through Voodoo Child and then blasted into a Santana song which I don't remember the name of right now. The man is simpley a monster. The reason he isn't feature on more top of the line guitarists is because he plays in a melodic rock band named Journey which features the vocals as much as the music. If he played for Ozzy, Judas Priest, KISS or any band that featured the guitarist first he'd be up among the top of the list. Another example of the downfalls of melodicrock bands is one Steve Lukathor (spelling?)
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Postby KittyKat » Thu Jul 06, 2006 2:48 am

Back to the original topic instead of Neal's ability I wondered because of the descriptions given of the way it went down on stage why it came about this way. My opinions are that Steve and Deen would've been out of the band had they objected to doing all this extensive touring. A recent interview done with Neal about the European shows and why they didn't tour there with Perry has it all laid out as Perry not wanting to tour there as the reasons given but he always wanted to. I can't help but feel bad for Steve Augeri because of the descriptions given of what happened seems like Deen was his only support in the band. Look at the recent interview from Jon Cain where he speaks about the legacy and conviction and the band going on for the sake of the fans, etc. What the hell does that say about him now?
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Postby Citygirl » Thu Jul 06, 2006 2:51 am

Maybe everyone's been a wee bit too hard on Steve.

There could be all sorts of things going on that we don't know about.
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Postby EightyRock » Thu Jul 06, 2006 3:04 am

They are a BAND. They are all in this together and have made their obvious choice to go down this road.
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Postby Liz22562 » Thu Jul 06, 2006 3:17 am

If and when Journey does make a statement - then we will know what choices they actually made. Until then....(NIG - horse please).... :D
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NEAL NOT A POP STAR..

Postby lights1961 » Thu Jul 06, 2006 3:21 am

Neal is not a pop star but an amazing guitarist, he doesnt need the attention like pop stars do... That said......... who else at 15 was asked to play guitar with Carlos and Eric Clapton in the same time period..... His solo efforts are fantastic and the VOICE did get a grammy nomination---and Perry has how many grammy nominations by himself??? Perry has one with Journey...but not by himself...I do agree that Hendrix was the BEST, Page a close 2nd and Carlos a third....
---Neal wont be appreciated until he is gone... MHO...




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Re: NEAL NOT A POP STAR..

Postby heardonthestreet » Thu Jul 06, 2006 3:25 am

lights1961 wrote:Neal is not a pop star but an amazing guitarist, he doesnt need the attention like pop stars do... That said......... who else at 15 was asked to play guitar with Carlos and Eric Clapton in the same time period..... His solo efforts are fantastic and the VOICE did get a grammy nomination---and Perry has how many grammy nominations by himself??? Perry has one with Journey...but not by himself...I do agree that Hendrix was the BEST, Page a close 2nd and Carlos a third....
---Neal wont be appreciated until he is gone... MHO...

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Postby jrnyman28 » Thu Jul 06, 2006 3:51 am

heardonthestreet wrote:Listening to "Voice" is like eating a gallon size banana split.


Not a fan of Voice either.
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Postby jrnyman28 » Thu Jul 06, 2006 3:53 am

EightyRock wrote:As a mega Journey fan, I will say that Neal is one of the best guitarists in the world, in my opinion. He is the reason I listened to Journey before Perry joined the band. Neal is one hell of a talent, but as a leader for a band, he's lost.


No truer words....
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Postby jrnyman28 » Thu Jul 06, 2006 3:54 am

heardonthestreet wrote:That all looks good on paper.

Hagar backed out of Planet US and VH broke a promise. He was just too great for them. :lol: :lol:

If he were so great, Journey would be on top of the World right now. He turned Journey into what it is now. He can be proud of that.


None of that had anything to do with his guitar playing!
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Postby jrnyman28 » Thu Jul 06, 2006 3:57 am

jestor92 wrote:Neal is a monster guitarist plain and simple, to anyone who doesn't give the man the credit he deserves didn't make a Soul SirkUS show. I saw him with the SirkUS and was blown away by his performance. Of course he blew me away with every performance I saw wit Journey,


Just got done listening to the Shepherds Bush Empire boot of SS...WOW! What a good show.

jestor92 wrote: but opening night with Soul SirkUS I was like wow, he tore through Voodoo Child and then blasted into a Santana song which I don't remember the name of right now.


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Journey did that combo on the Generations Tour but it did not go over as well. In fact, I would say it was the low point of the show last year and DID hint at Neal's "self-indulgence".

jestor92 wrote:The man is simpley a monster. The reason he isn't feature on more top of the line guitarists is because he plays in a melodic rock band named Journey which features the vocals as much as the music. If he played for Ozzy, Judas Priest, KISS or any band that featured the guitarist first he'd be up among the top of the list. Another example of the downfalls of melodicrock bands is one Steve Lukathor (spelling?)


Absolutely.
Journey's name and Perry's voice are the things that held Neal's name from recignition...and yet both are highly responsible for Neal's best work.
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Postby jrnyman28 » Thu Jul 06, 2006 4:00 am

It is very apparant that Deen and Steve are very close. It lends creedance to the rumor that Deen threatened to leave if Steve was canned.
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Postby Zan » Thu Jul 06, 2006 4:04 am

heardonthestreet wrote:Listening to "Voice" is like eating a gallon size banana split.




I'm not familiar with that sensation.
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Postby NealIsGod » Thu Jul 06, 2006 4:07 am

Zan wrote:
heardonthestreet wrote:Listening to "Voice" is like eating a gallon size banana split.




I'm not familiar with that sensation.



Lots of Loons are. :lol:
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