Congratulations Andrew for getting the story first!!!

by **JourneyTroll** » Wed Jul 12, 2006 12:06 am

Still very happy that Andrew was the first to report the story about Jeff Scott Soto becoming the lead signer during the remainder of Journey's tour. His website was the first to have the complete and accurate story.

Thanks,
Journeytroll

by **heardonthestreet** » Wed Jul 12, 2006 1:13 am

JourneyTroll wrote:Still very happy that Andrew was the first to report the story about Jeff Scott Soto becoming the lead signer during the remainder of Journey's tour. His website was the first to have the complete and accurate story.

Thanks,
Journeytroll

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Come on, JT. Define complete and accurate.

by **JourneyTroll** » Wed Jul 12, 2006 1:44 am

heardonthestreet wrote:
JourneyTroll wrote:Still very happy that Andrew was the first to report the story about Jeff Scott Soto becoming the lead signer during the remainder of Journey's tour. His website was the first to have the complete and accurate story.

Thanks,
Journeytroll

.............................

Come on, JT. Define complete and accurate.

Andrew reported the story in full, and he didn't need to make any corrections.

Augeri is out, and Soto is the lead signer for the rest of the 2006 tour.

This was the story. Journey didn't comment on anything else yet.

I was very happy that the story appeared on this website first.

Thanks,
Journeytroll

by **Moon Beam** » Wed Jul 12, 2006 11:40 pm

Andrew wrote:Hey Dano,
You know I want to see this show

We shall see....maybe/possibly....got my lotto ticket in. Sadly fares to the USA from here are like US$1500....the price I pay for living in the ass end of the world.
Gotta get the guys down under...

Damn I have never heard Australia refered to
as that......... :lol:

That was funny thanks Andrew.

by **Magwheels** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 3:10 am

Andrew reported the story in full, and he didn't need to make any corrections.

Augeri is out, and Soto is the lead signer for the rest of the 2006 tour.

This was the story. Journey didn't comment on anything else yet.

I was very happy that the story appeared on this website first.

Thanks,
Journeytroll

Andrew did not explain the tape issue or try to get responses on it from the band or SA though. Hasn't bothered to respond to such questions either. The full story began with the tape/lip sync issue...and it didn't start here.

by **Layla** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 3:27 pm

Hey Dano,
You know I want to see this show

We shall see....maybe/possibly....got my lotto ticket in. Sadly fares to the USA from here are like US$1500....the price I pay for living in the ass end of the world.

Gotta get the guys down under...

Hi Andrew, I'll second that....

Howdy Moonbeam, long time no see!

by **Liam** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 3:46 pm

Hey Layla. Welcome. :-)

by **Shadowsong** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 3:51 pm

Moon Beam wrote:
Andrew wrote:Hey Dano,
You know I want to see this show

We shall see....maybe/possibly....got my lotto ticket in. Sadly fares to the USA from here are like US$1500....the price I pay for living in the ass end of the world.
Gotta get the guys down under...

Damn I have never heard Australia refered to
as that.........
That was funny thanks Andrew.

You never heard of the land down under???
Seriously
What kind of Journey could it be
without a trip to the land down under
even I have been there....

and its true
the water does go down the toilet the opposite way...

:lol:

by **Andrew** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 4:22 pm

Magwheels wrote:Andrew did not explain the tape issue or try to get responses on it from the band or SA though. Hasn't bothered to respond to such questions either. The full story began with the tape/lip sync issue...and it didn't start here.

- I mentioned it - didn't explain it.
- I did try and get a response (please check facts) - no response was forthcoming or will probably ever be forthcoming.
- The whole story did actually start here - but not by me. The first mention of the tape issue was here on these boards.

Not a big fan of the site are you Mags?

by **Saint John** » Thu Jul 13, 2006 7:23 pm

Magwheels wrote:
Andrew reported the story in full, and he didn't need to make any corrections.

Augeri is out, and Soto is the lead signer for the rest of the 2006 tour.

This was the story. Journey didn't comment on anything else yet.

I was very happy that the story appeared on this website first.

Thanks,
Journeytroll

Andrew did not explain the tape issue or try to get responses on it from the band or SA though. Hasn't bothered to respond to such questions either. The full story began with the tape/lip sync issue...and it didn't start here.

Why would Andrew explain "the tape issue?" Is he in the band? No. Does he manage the band? No. That is THE BAND'S JOB (or management's). And how could he respond to "questions" if he doesn't know the answers? He posted the allegations and asked the band to comment when he felt they were picking up momentum and seemed credible. He did not jump the gun or assume anything. When the situation gained momentum he attempted to contact the band for an official statement. And it DID start here. Andrew handled it well and quite professionally. Your post is pretty much wrong...on all counts.

by *Laura » Thu Jul 13, 2006 8:47 pm

Saint John wrote:Andrew handled it well and quite professionally.

I'll second that.Now that things are calmer,if I look back,I really believe Andrew acted like a true journalist should.
He allowed everyone to have their say,and as the owner of this site he had an equitable attitude.

by **Magwheels** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 3:34 am

Andrew wrote:
Magwheels wrote:Andrew did not explain the tape issue or try to get responses on it from the band or SA though. Hasn't bothered to respond to such questions either. The full story began with the tape/lip sync issue...and it didn't start here.

- I mentioned it - didn't explain it.
- I did try and get a response (please check facts) - no response was forthcoming or will probably ever be forthcoming.
- The whole story did actually start here - but not by me. The first mention of the tape issue was here on these boards.

Not a big fan of the site are you Mags?

Please check the facts. I actually am a fan of your front page..it's like the Drudge Report of the music industry. It's your sucking up to Journey..even now..that I'm "not a fan of". I didn't see any mention of you trying to get a response on the tape issue..from Journey or SA- or even an attempt to get a hold of SA to see what happened. If it's on your website..I'd be happy to have it pointed to me.

I meant "here" being your website..not these forums. But I think it was someone else who pointed out the tape issue- before it hit here- in the forums.

by **Magwheels** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 3:37 am

Saint John wrote:
Magwheels wrote:
Andrew reported the story in full, and he didn't need to make any corrections.

Augeri is out, and Soto is the lead signer for the rest of the 2006 tour.

This was the story. Journey didn't comment on anything else yet.

I was very happy that the story appeared on this website first.

Thanks,
Journeytroll

Andrew did not explain the tape issue or try to get responses on it from the band or SA though. Hasn't bothered to respond to such questions either. The full story began with the tape/lip sync issue...and it didn't start here.

Why would Andrew explain "the tape issue?" Is he in the band? No. Does he manage the band? No. That is THE BAND'S JOB (or management's). And how could he respond to "questions" if he doesn't know the answers? He posted the allegations and asked the band to comment when he felt they were picking up momentum and seemed credible. He did not jump the gun or assume anything. When the situation gained momentum he attempted to contact the band for an official statement. And it DID start here. Andrew handled it well and quite professionally. Your post is pretty much wrong...on all counts.

I am again referring to his website. A small blurb on the tape issue was mentioned...but no digging into it. No mention about it again afterwards again either..unless I missed it.

I am not asking him to speak for Journey and "explain" it. It's just odd it wasn't brought up in his "story" on the SA replacement, etc.

by **whocares** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 3:47 am

Magwheels wrote:Please check the facts. I actually am a fan of your front page..it's like the Drudge Report of the music industry. It's your sucking up to Journey..even now..that I'm "not a fan of". I didn't see any mention of you trying to get a response on the tape issue..from Journey or SA- or even an attempt to get a hold of SA to see what happened. If it's on your website..I'd be happy to have it pointed to me.

I meant "here" being your website..not these forums. But I think it was someone else who pointed out the tape issue- before it hit here- in the forums.

Shit, WHY should Andrew try to get info when he knows it won't do any good? The band isn't talking to ANYONE, why would they explain it only to Andrew? They aren't explaining anything to anyone. Get that into your head. As far as they are concerned, they did nothing wrong. If Andrew was trying to get info and got no response, then there's no obligation to anyone to say, "I tried and they didnt' get back to me". Journalism is about integrity, and Andrew whether a trained Journalist or self-taught, has a lot more class and intelligence than "Drudge" will ever have. Comparing this place to a ragmag type of site is a complete insult, not that you care much. Apples to oranges, I'll take MR.com the Apple to an Orange, anyday.

by **Red13JoePa** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 3:48 am

He posted the story that SA had some assistance vocally on the Generations tour.
He said it wasn't lipsynching as had been "reported."

But what would be the reason for Andrew's news reports to become completely pathologically devoted to it 24/7? The tape assists were not close to being as rampant as some people wanted to believe.

More than enough people were seemingly willing to give the band a mulligan on the issue. So he commented once and that's it.

by **Magwheels** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 4:13 am

whocares...maybe Andrew should just say it wouldn't do any good instead of pretending he's trying. But imagine if this were Def Lep. He would have had this tape issue plastered all over the main page. But then of course you'd also have Def Lep actually RESPONDING.

BTW..nice opinions of yours on Drudge. Too bad his website is so popular though

Red..he just acknowledged in this thread that (supposedly) the tape issue etc started here...how the "full story" got started. I've seen nothing from him to refute what Deano and others have been saying. To say SA had some assistance vocally and wasn't lipsynching as had been "reported" is just more sucking up imo. It's odd anyway..to say it started here and then claim it never happened that way.

Again..no comment due to a "throat infection"? Funny........

by **whocares** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 4:21 am

A popular website means nothing for actual REAL journalism. Lots of people like tabloid stuff, they don't care if it's acurate or not. As far as Andrew going after Lep, you're wrong in my opinion. It wasn't Andrew's fault that someone in the Lep camp released an advance copy of a crappy sounding cover tunes CD. Joe Elliot won't let the issue die. It's way in the past for Andrew. Elliot should look inward into the Lep camp, and go after HIS people. So someone gave a bad review, big deal. That review isn't responsible for Lep going under.

As to the "throat infection", what do you want people to say? Even managements "official statement" says Augeri had this problem BEFORE the tour started. They knew something was wrong, and they went forth anyway.

I don't care if Andrew is "trying" to get info or not. We all know it's not worth the effort at this point. Journey fucked up, they were caught doing whatever, they replaced a singer who could no longer sing the way he needs to sing. They brushed it under the rug, and they're trying to nail down the corners to keep it there.

by **Red13JoePa** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 4:29 am

[quote="Magwheels"] To say SA had some assistance vocally and wasn't lipsynching as had been "reported" is just more sucking up imo. .
quote]

Or it could have been the truth. He posted it in here too. He said lipsynching was mispreported but that tapes had been in play. He didn't bother with most of the more fantastic and irresponsible accusations.

PS Joe Elliot responding? Please. He threw the site under the bus to anybody who would listen. Except, that is, for Andrew. And unless I'm wrong Andrew's a pretty accessible guy.

by **Magwheels** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 4:32 am

Andrew does a lot of what Drudge does..taking things from other websites and getting updates etc. That is why I made the comparison. Worldnetdaily.com is another such site where you can keep up to speed on the news these days..especially politics. Melodicrock.com is such a site for music.

If Andrew would "go after" Journey like he does Def Lep...I'd have nothing to say. It's obvious the diffence in coverage.

About the "throat infection"....why are people saying nothing and saying nothing will be said if it's just a "throat infection"? SA can't say how he's doing and yes, that's the reason for him quitting(or being fired) and for the use of tapes?

I think it's worth the effort to get answers. But of course I'd hate to see it just get swept under the rug...like certain folks would like :wink:

by **Magwheels** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 4:35 am

Red13JoePa wrote:
Magwheels wrote: To say SA had some assistance vocally and wasn't lipsynching as had been "reported" is just more sucking up imo. .
quote]

Or it could have been the truth. He posted it in here too. He said lipsynching was mispreported but that tapes had been in play. He didn't bother with most of the more fantastic and irresponsible accusations.

And where did he get that from? I didn't see him refute what Deano...Jeremey..and the others were saying. Or are you talking about the definition of "lipsynching"..the debate over that?

by **Red13JoePa** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 4:36 am

We may need to get into this again, I see.

Andrew did not "go after" DL. Quite the opposite.

by **Red13JoePa** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 4:37 am

Magwheels wrote:
Red13JoePa wrote:
Magwheels wrote: To say SA had some assistance vocally and wasn't lipsynching as had been "reported" is just more sucking up imo. .
quote]

Or it could have been the truth. He posted it in here too. He said lipsynching was mispreported but that tapes had been in play. He didn't bother with most of the more fantastic and irresponsible accusations.

And where did he get that from? I didn't see him refute what Deano...Jeremey..and the others were saying. Or are you talking about the definition of "lipsynching"..the debate over that?

Saying the synching allegation was "misreported" is not a refutation?

by **whocares** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 4:40 am

you can make all the comparisons you want true in your mind or not about MR. As he said to you above, you obviously are not a fan of the site as a whole. Just because you don't care for these forums, which you post a lot in.

Journey's official site even said that the post on MR wasn't accurate questioning how Andrew got ahold of an official press release before them, then hours later, posted the EXACT same thing word for word, on the front page. You even know this.

Your other issues you need to try to take up with Journeys mgmt. team. They and the "blind" people trying to brush things under the rug. That's not happening here with 99.9% of the posters. Again, Andrew has a responsibility to tell us factual stuff, and dispute non-truths. He does that quite well and QUITE often. He doesn't have to tell us sources of his info, or even how much info he has at any one time. I have respect for him as someone who reports, as well as personally. I can't say that for a lot of people that post anywhere on the net, not even here. These people are not my friends and I often have opinions that are different than theirs are. I simply can get along with a majority of them, and respect that they have opinions too. (That's just my opinion, I know yours is different)

Andrew said he wasn't going to get involved, he's responsible for the forum, but not what people post.

by **Andrew** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 10:47 am

Magwheels wrote:If Andrew would "go after" Journey like he does Def Lep...

LOL. I hardly "went after" Def Leppard. I gave them a bad review. End of story.

by **Liz22562** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 11:37 am

A lot of us are not blind, it just isn't as big an issue to some as it is to others. I'm not sure why that is so hard to understand.

Peace to all~

by **Magwheels** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 11:40 am

Well finally. I was beginning to think everyone was speaking for Andrew. Someone did misimply(is that a word?) that I was saying Andrew was speaking for Journey.

Andrew..it was more than the bad review for DL. You went on to ridicule their response etc. Again..if this story was about them or just about anyone else...you'd have a field day with this. Even Rich pointed out how favorably you've treated Journey.

whocares..I never said I don't like these forums. You're trying too hard.

Red..just saying what he did about the lip synching thing wasn't true..is just that. Nothing to back it up with. Again..I don't recall him refuting what Deano and especially Jeremey said and went into great detail about. They didn't just say- he's lip syncing!

by **Andrew** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 12:03 pm

Perceptions. Some think I support the band too much. Others think I did not support them enough.

As for ridiculing Joe's response. Sure....why not. I'm not goign to roll over and be called an asshole and a thief by anyone.

And last I looked, no band member of Journey has come out on their website an called me an asshole, so there really is no comparison to how two completely different situations were handled.

by **Magwheels** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 12:12 pm

So what they say about you is affection how you report things or delve into things. NICE :roll:

I'd take the higher ground and just laugh it off..and remain neutral and keep getting the information out there. Or is it that you're worried what they're going to say to/about you?(talking about Journey here). Is Internet payola involved? :lol:

I was right btw..it wasn't just the review

by **Andrew** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 12:20 pm

Magwheels wrote:So what they say about you is affection how you report things or delve into things. NICE I'd take the higher ground and just laugh it off..and remain neutral and keep getting the information out there. Or is it that you're worried what they're going to say to/about you?(talking about Journey here). Is Internet payola involved?

I was right btw..it wasn't just the review

Now you are just being an ass and plain stupid.
I have no time whatsoever for people that are looking to stir the pot and look for meanings in my words that aren't there.

I have nothing more to say to you.

by **whocares** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 12:23 pm

Wombat, maybe it's Joe E.?

MR

Congratulations Andrew for getting the story first!!!

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