Subversive agenda for "RocknDeano" ??

[StyxCollector]

I will bet that you are right!!

I would bet Augeri is under a signed gag order. You will never hear him speak of his departure other than the official party line.

I know I am ... that's how these things work. And I'm sure he was also paid out the rest of his contract to also buy his silence, too. He didn't get out without some sort of severance.

[nolippin]

Yep, and I'm sure it was a handsome severance. It looks as though he started using prerecorded tapes when he could no longer sing...was exposed...had to sing live...humiliated himself and was fired.

It also lays the whole lipping scandal at his feet and Neal and Jon walk away smelling like a rose.

I will bet that you are right!!

I would bet Augeri is under a signed gag order. You will never hear him speak of his departure other than the official party line.

I know I am ... that's how these things work. And I'm sure he was also paid out the rest of his contract to also buy his silence, too. He didn't get out without some sort of severance.

[Abitaman]

I think all Dean or anybody who believed the tape situation wanted was for them to DO something about it instead of continuing on the same path of deception and/or lousy vocal performances. They sure as hell weren't going to change anything on their own. I still think the rest of the band are just as guilty as Augeri, but at least if they're staying on the road to finish this tour, they have a REAL singer now. Its hard to be a Journey fan and watch them self destruct their own legacy by means of total stupidity. JSS saved the tour and ALL their asses.

How can you say JSS saved them, It is one show so far. I am not saying JSS can not get back on the right track, but being saved? It is too earlier to tell. JSS has some balls about him to step in and do this though.-ERIC

So now you're admitting they were on the wrong track? make up your mind. Can't be that hard...not a whole lot there in your head.

No I'm saying one night one show doesn't prove anything. Only time will tell what will happen, A week will not tell. The end of tour will be about when we see what will happen. As much as I would have liked Kevin to come in and play this out to the end of the tour, I would have gone around saying "Man Chalfant sure save their butts" It will take time to see. If Augeri doesnt come back, it will then take a cd with JSS on it to further prove it. So it is no admitting I'm wrong, I know how you would like that -ERIC

[StyxCollector]

It also lays the whole lipping scandal at his feet and Neal and Jon walk away smelling like a rose.

I wouldn't go that far. Anyone with half a brain can see they would be just as responsible. To the "untrained" eye, Jon and Neal could get off easy, but do you really think that will be the case?

Word from last night's show was that Jon didn't look happy (saw it in a post over at BT). So if JSS is a Neal power play, it could mean ominous things. Jon and Neal have worked together continuously since 1980 or 1981 through different configurations. It makes you question who legally owns the Journey name ...

[StyxCollector]

No I'm saying one night one show doesn't prove anything. Only time will tell what will happen, A week will not tell. The end of tour will be about when wwe see what will happen. As much as I wpuld have liked Kevin to come in and play this out to the end of the tour, I would have gone around saying "Man Chalfant sure save their butts" It will take time to see. If Augeri soesn't come back, it will then take a cd with JSS on it to futher prove it. So it is no admitting I'm wrong, I know how you would like that -ERIC

Why I can see where you are coming from, and it's always good to have hope if you liked Augeri that much, I bet at the end of this tour or soon thereafter you'll see some sort of statement like, "Steve Augeri has regretfully decided not to return to Journey. It was a long and difficult decision for him, and we wish him all the best in his future endeavors." Azoff most likely has it drafted already.

[whocares]

If Jon and Neal come out smelling like roses, then I'm proud to say I've never liked buying roses for any occasion. Roses are just a way to get lots of money for an average flower at best. Sound familiar?

The one thing I agree on is that they side-stepped the REAL issue here. Sooner or later when they are in the pasture, they will step in the poo.

[Abitaman]

No I'm saying one night one show doesn't prove anything. Only time will tell what will happen, A week will not tell. The end of tour will be about when wwe see what will happen. As much as I wpuld have liked Kevin to come in and play this out to the end of the tour, I would have gone around saying "Man Chalfant sure save their butts" It will take time to see. If Augeri soesn't come back, it will then take a cd with JSS on it to futher prove it. So it is no admitting I'm wrong, I know how you would like that -ERIC

Why I can see where you are coming from, and it's always good to have hope if you liked Augeri that much, I bet at the end of this tour or soon thereafter you'll see some sort of statement like, "Steve Augeri has regretfully decided not to return to Journey. It was a long and difficult decision for him, and we wish him all the best in his future endeavors." Azoff most likely has it drafted already.

I'm half expecting it myself, but hoping it doesn't happen.-ERIC

[JrnySuxBalls]

"Steve Augeri has regretfully decided not to return to Journey. It was a long and difficult decision for him, and we wish him all the best in his future endeavors." Azoff most likely has it drafted already.

You can count on it.

[nolippin]

Well, yes, to say they come up smelling like roses is a stretch, I admit, but his departure is allowing them to try and bury the scandal.

I've read those reviews about Jon as well. I wonder if he is a little threatened by JSS's strength in song writing? Maybe concerned that a new alligiance might be formed between Neal and JSS?????

It also lays the whole lipping scandal at his feet and Neal and Jon walk away smelling like a rose.

I wouldn't go that far. Anyone with half a brain can see they would be just as responsible. To the "untrained" eye, Jon and Neal could get off easy, but do you really think that will be the case?

Word from last night's show was that Jon didn't look happy (saw it in a post over at BT). So if JSS is a Neal power play, it could mean ominous things. Jon and Neal have worked together continuously since 1980 or 1981 through different configurations. It makes you question who legally owns the Journey name ...

[StyxCollector]

Well, yes, to say they come up smelling like roses is a stretch, I admit, but his departure is allowing them to try and bury the scandal.

I've read those reviews about Jon as well. I wonder if he is a little threatened by JSS's strength in song writing? Maybe concerned that a new alligiance might be formed between Neal and JSS?????

But the thing is, this is the scandal that keeps on giving. There will always be a mental asterisk next to this lineup live for some, much like there will be for Barry Bonds and his records since MLB won't do anything about his records. People have a long memory.

Well, it looks like Neal wants to take the Styx attitude and put a band out there that rocks more than it does ballads. But I also do think that Neal realizes he needs to play songs like "Open Arms" and "Faithfully", while Styx stupidly now ignores "Babe" and "The Best Of Times" (yet put drek like "Yes I Can" on an album). Ross isn't going to rock the boat, and I doubt Deen will go anywhere. I think Jon will have to re-adapt to another strong songwriter a la Perry, where he was used to only having Schon around to contend with for the most part. If Jon can get past it, it may be good for the band. It's not like JSS hates ballads, either.

[Abitaman]

I've read those reviews about Jon as well. I wonder if he is a little threatened by JSS's strength in song writing? Maybe concerned that a new alligiance might be formed between Neal and JSS?????

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That is what I was going off about at first, but I have decided to wait and see how things play out. IF Jon stays it would stay more Journey like, and maybe keep the next Journey from sounding like Soul Sirkus 2-ERIC

[i]

Even if Augeri was lip-syncing it wasn't nearly the "crime" that Deano made it out to be.

It WAS a fucking crime! Did you see the ticket prices? That's a lot of money to pay to listen to a tape.
(or a shot voice)

We'll probably never really know the truth, or how much Deano was the red hot poker up their ass, but I know one thing, he saved me some dough, and I thank him for that.


I am glad to be moving from this crap. Not sure if I'll ever see them live again - not real impressed with the JSS stuff I've heard yet.

[whocares]

But the thing is, this is the scandal that keeps on giving. There will always be a mental asterisk next to this lineup live for some, much like there will be for Barry Bonds and his records since MLB won't do anything about his records. People have a long memory...

hmmm that sounds vaguely familiar...

[nolippin]

Yes, I agree, this scandal is always going to cast a shadow.

I think Deen is happy with JSS. He already has a relationship with JSS as a singer from SS before Deen ended up in rehab. The next hurdle is going to be Jon getting past the bond between JSS and Neal that is already there.

He should be able to do that, but it is definitly going to take some adapting on his part. Ross will never rock any boat, IMO...LOL!!

Well, yes, to say they come up smelling like roses is a stretch, I admit, but his departure is allowing them to try and bury the scandal.

I've read those reviews about Jon as well. I wonder if he is a little threatened by JSS's strength in song writing? Maybe concerned that a new alligiance might be formed between Neal and JSS?????

But the thing is, this is the scandal that keeps on giving. There will always be a mental asterisk next to this lineup live for some, much like there will be for Barry Bonds and his records since MLB won't do anything about his records. People have a long memory.

Well, it looks like Neal wants to take the Styx attitude and put a band out there that rocks more than it does ballads. But I also do think that Neal realizes he needs to play songs like "Open Arms" and "Faithfully", while Styx stupidly now ignores "Babe" and "The Best Of Times" (yet put drek like "Yes I Can" on an album). Ross isn't going to rock the boat, and I doubt Deen will go anywhere. I think Jon will have to re-adapt to another strong songwriter a la Perry, where he was used to only having Schon around to contend with for the most part. If Jon can get past it, it may be good for the band. It's not like JSS hates ballads, either.

[Andrew]

I guess I'm also comparing this to how he talks about and responds to Def Leppard(who are touring with Journey)..their new CD..their response to him..etc.

This doesn't even require responding to, but hey, I feel like it....so - in view of the fact DL's singer thinks I'm an asshole, I think I give them a stack of coverage, and besides a crappy album review, the rest is largely very positive, so whatever you are angling at here is null and void...