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by **whocares** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 7:19 am

as well as the fans, but our pictures aren't up there, so we don't count.

by **siobhan222** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 7:21 am

whocares wrote:I'm well aware of how frames work and the set-up over there. I'm a fan of frames to this day. But as we know, they have to want to do it. I don't see it happening. ya know?

Obvioiusly most artist's sites are built by outsiders who build them the way THEY want to build a site, not always the way a site should be built. Very few music artists build their own sites.

Most artists seem to hire a manager or fan club deal (Fan Asylum, etc.) to build their sites. I'm not sure if that's the case with Journey -- but I'd be surprised if the actual band members spend a lot of time dictating how it's done. [/quote]

whocares wrote:siobhan222, I know you know what I'm getting at, but I'm afraid a good number of people here won't. Stick around keep posting, it get's better the more people take time to actually read all posts.

Probably not too long. I'm already getting jumped on it seems. Gee, the welcome didn't last long!

by **nolippin** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 7:24 am

You haven't been jumped on, but you have been found out.

siobhan222 wrote:
whocares wrote:I'm well aware of how frames work and the set-up over there. I'm a fan of frames to this day. But as we know, they have to want to do it. I don't see it happening. ya know?

Obvioiusly most artist's sites are built by outsiders who build them the way THEY want to build a site, not always the way a site should be built. Very few music artists build their own sites.

Most artists seem to hire a manager or fan club deal (Fan Asylum, etc.) to build their sites. I'm not sure if that's the case with Journey -- but I'd be surprised if the actual band members spend a lot of time dictating how it's done.

whocares wrote:siobhan222, I know you know what I'm getting at, but I'm afraid a good number of people here won't. Stick around keep posting, it get's better the more people take time to actually read all posts.

Probably not too long. I'm already getting jumped on it seems. Gee, the welcome didn't last long![/quote]

by **whocares** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 7:24 am

I think it's just the bands money, and no input at all.

Don't worry about the people who make you feel unwelcome, it's very few. But certain people will stick to what they believe and wont' let it go. As said earlier, you have to have thick skin to post here. I don't think most of the people who continue going after a certain person are in that category all the time.

by **siobhan222** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 7:28 am

nolippin wrote:Sorry, but you came in flying the Augeriville flag, calling Soto the "fill-in" bringing up dirt on Cain that you said Deano had and expect people who are actually reading your posts not to smell an agenda???

This forum has been peaceful. People here in general seem to like Soto or at least think he should be given a chance. People like you who keep coming in to "poke at stick at the snake" need to let it go. I believe you know exactly what I mean.

I didn't realize that people who are Steve Augeri fans are not allowed here. I wish whomever is in charge would post that on the home page so that any of us who are fans would know not to join. It seems I've read other posts from people who don't care for JSS and like SA. Are you saying none of us are welcome here then? I will have to ask the moderators for confirmation of that. I hope you don't mind but I don't see your name listed as a moderator so I would just like to check and make sure where I stand.

And by the way, it's Journey that is calling the Soto the "fill-in" -- not me. Read the announcement on their site at www.journeymusic.com!!! And I didn't bring up dirt that RocknDeano said he had on Cain. It's referenced on the home page of the forum and I just referred to it after someone said lots of people remarked on Cain not being happy.

I don't even know what agenda you're referring to or why you are picking on me. Is it "Pick on Siobhan Day" and no one told me?

by **perryfaithful** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 7:28 am

nolippin wrote:It would make perfect sense for the band's official site to make sure that the information regarding WHO is currently on tour with them in the lead singer role is posted so that the poor, unsuspecting people who drug themselves out of bed to see Augeri could be better informed.]

....and that WOULD BE RESPECTFUL to the fans!

by **siobhan222** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 7:32 am

nolippin wrote:It would make perfect sense for the band's official site to make sure that the information regarding WHO is currently on tour with them in the lead singer role is posted so that the poor, unsuspecting people who drug themselves out of bed to see Augeri could be better informed.

I agree .. but their site doesn't make it clear on the tour page, does it? That's what we were talking about before you butted in and starting picking on me.

But even making it clear on the site wouldn't help if you were like me and hadn't visited the site for a few months prior to going to the show.

by **FormerJrnyFan** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 7:34 am

siobhan222 wrote:
nolippin wrote:It would make perfect sense for the band's official site to make sure that the information regarding WHO is currently on tour with them in the lead singer role is posted so that the poor, unsuspecting people who drug themselves out of bed to see Augeri could be better informed.

I agree .. but their site doesn't make it clear on the tour page, does it? That's what we were talking about before you butted in and starting picking on me.

But even making it clear on the site wouldn't help if you were like me and hadn't visited the site for a few months prior to going to the show.

Their "official" makes it clear about... hmmmmmm... nothing

by **nolippin** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 7:35 am

You seem to know an awful lot about what has been posted on band forums to be someone who rarely posts on band forums...and you've certainly racked up a lot of posts here in a very short amount of time. :roll:

siobhan222 wrote:
nolippin wrote:Sorry, but you came in flying the Augeriville flag, calling Soto the "fill-in" bringing up dirt on Cain that you said Deano had and expect people who are actually reading your posts not to smell an agenda???

This forum has been peaceful. People here in general seem to like Soto or at least think he should be given a chance. People like you who keep coming in to "poke at stick at the snake" need to let it go. I believe you know exactly what I mean.

I didn't realize that people who are Steve Augeri fans are not allowed here. I wish whomever is in charge would post that on the home page so that any of us who are fans would know not to join. It seems I've read other posts from people who don't care for JSS and like SA. Are you saying none of us are welcome here then? I will have to ask the moderators for confirmation of that. I hope you don't mind but I don't see your name listed as a moderator so I would just like to check and make sure where I stand.

And by the way, it's Journey that is calling the Soto the "fill-in" -- not me. Read the announcement on their site at www.journeymusic.com!!! And I didn't bring up dirt that RocknDeano said he had on Cain. It's referenced on the home page of the forum and I just referred to it after someone said lots of people remarked on Cain not being happy.

I don't even know what agenda you're referring to or why you are picking on me. Is it "Pick on Siobhan Day" and no one told me?

by **siobhan222** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 7:39 am

nolippin wrote:You haven't been jumped on, but you have been found out.

Oooh you mean you found out I like Steve Augeri. Whoo hoo. Congratulations to you. You get the brilliance award of the day. Actually, I wrote that in my very first post under the West Palm Beach set list. All you had to do was read it :-0 I have never even tried to deny it.

by **whocares** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 7:40 am

quit playing the post count total! JEEEEEZ. Can't a person post as much as they want?

No wonder people don't always feel welcome right away. :roll:

by **siobhan222** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 7:44 am

nolippin wrote:You seem to know an awful lot about what has been posted on band forums to be someone who rarely posts on band forums...and you've certainly racked up a lot of posts here in a very short amount of time.

Since you've been reading my posts, go back and read my first one where I talk about having read a lot of this forum searching for information. I haven't tried to hide anything. It's all out there. I've read a lot here! But I rarely post on band forums. Go look for my username on some of the forums of bands I like (Journey, Styx, Survivor, Toto, Hall & Oates, Boston, Asia). You'll probably find it a few times on each forum. (And before you say it, no, I don't have other usernames. If you don't believe that, look at my writing style and compare that. Well that is, if you have absolutely no life because I just can't imagine anyone looking at all my posts.)

By the way, in another thread, I also talked about having posted a lot here today because I felt welcome.

by **A Fire Inside** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 7:55 am

Why is this even a debate?

They'll change the website when Augeri is OFFICIALLY OUT. Why would they do so beforehand? It would just get everyone riled up. At the moment, JSS is only OFFICIALLY a Randy Jackson-type band member. You all think you know otherwise, but until they announce it they would not have a reason to change the site.

If Augeri comes back, I will have a great time watching half this board flail around about it.

by **whocares** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 7:57 am

If JSS wears those goofy Casino pants, I'm giving up on him, dawg.

by **siobhan222** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 7:59 am

A Fire Inside wrote:They'll change the website when Augeri is OFFICIALLY OUT. Why would they do so beforehand? It would just get everyone riled up. At the moment, JSS is only OFFICIALLY a Randy Jackson-type band member. You all think you know otherwise, but until they announce it they would not have a reason to change the site.

That's exactly what I've been saying. I wonder if nolippin will now pick on you for saying it too :-)

by **nolippin** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 8:03 am

It isn't about post count. It's about post content. Most people here seem to like Soto and this person and two or three others...who seemed to arrive around the same time...seem, to have made it their mission this afternoon to pound their outrage about Augeri being replaced into our heads. We get it already. Move on. :roll:

whocares wrote:quit playing the post count total! JEEEEEZ. Can't a person post as much as they want?

No wonder people don't always feel welcome right away.

by **Argus** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 8:04 am

siobhan222 wrote:
A Fire Inside wrote:They'll change the website when Augeri is OFFICIALLY OUT. Why would they do so beforehand? It would just get everyone riled up. At the moment, JSS is only OFFICIALLY a Randy Jackson-type band member. You all think you know otherwise, but until they announce it they would not have a reason to change the site.

That's exactly what I've been saying. I wonder if nolippin will now pick on you for saying it too

Naw.. the pecking order demanded another conspiracy and it is "tag you are it" for today :wink:

Welcome and being one from the MR class of 2002 get used to the constant change here, it might make your head spin but it's never boring :wink:

by **siobhan222** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 8:14 am

nolippin wrote:It isn't about post count. It's about post content. Most people here seem to like Soto and this person and two or three others...who seemed to arrive around the same time...seem, to have made it their mission this afternoon to pound their outrage about Augeri being replaced into our heads. We get it already. Move on.

Actually, I see people who posted in response to my very first post in agreement with me -- on some points -- who have been members of this forum since 2004. I "arrived" today. That's hardly "arriving" around the same time.

I am not trying to pound anything into anyone's head. I just expressed my opinion. That's all.

I don't think you can make me leave this forum unless you're a moderator.

by **Eric** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 8:15 am

A Fire Inside wrote:If Augeri comes back, I will have a great time watching half this board flail around about it.

Thats what I was saying 2 weeks ago about Augeri not losing his voice. Alas, it is I who has flailed around...and nicely nobody has really kicked me while I was down, and I wasn't pleasant in my posts for the last 6 weeks, so I deserve worse.

by **EightyRock** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 8:18 am

No lippin says; "It isn't about post count. It's about post content. Most people here seem to like Soto and this person and two or three others...who seemed to arrive around the same time...seem, to have made it their mission this afternoon to pound their outrage about Augeri being replaced into our heads."

Now that you mention it, I see it too. You might want to get used to Augeri being gone and Soto being Journey's new lead singer. It will help ease your trauma over the long haul. I can tell you one thing for sure, if they bring Augeri back they'll lose alot more fans than they've already gained with Soto. People don't want to wonder if they are going to get live or tape again. Do you know what that would do to the band's credibility? The tape-gate issue would always be in the back of people's minds and the press would be speculating before the concerts. It would not be a good p.r. move for the band. I'm glad that won't be a problem for them in the future, since Soto is their singer now. Maybe Steve A. will get together with Tall Stories and record another CD, then you can enjoy that.

by **FormerJrnyFan** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 8:22 am

whocares wrote:If JSS wears those goofy Casino pants, I'm giving up on him, dawg.

it's not the hats... lol

by **nolippin** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 8:26 am

EightyRock wrote: I can tell you one thing for sure, if they bring Augeri back they'll lose alot more fans than they've already gained with Soto. People don't want to wonder if they are going to get live or tape again. Do you know what that would do to the band's credibility? The tape-gate issue would always be in the back of people's minds and the press would be speculating before the concerts. It would not be a good p.r. move for the band. I'm glad that won't be a problem for them in the future, since Soto is their singer now. Maybe Steve A. will get together with Tall Stories and record another CD, then you can enjoy that.

I totally agree. Whether you like SA or not, I think bringing him back would hurt the band. JSS has his own following, particularly in Europe, and that is where the band has indicated they want to tour more.

Recently Neal proclaimed that JSS was "the man" and more people than not seem to agree.

by **siobhan222** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 8:36 am

EightyRock wrote:You might want to get used to Augeri being gone and Soto being Journey's new lead singer. It will help ease your trauma over the long haul. I can tell you one thing for sure, if they bring Augeri back they'll lose alot more fans than they've already gained with Soto. People don't want to wonder if they are going to get live or tape again. Do you know what that would do to the band's credibility? The tape-gate issue would always be in the back of people's minds and the press would be speculating before the concerts. It would not be a good p.r. move for the band. I'm glad that won't be a problem for them in the future, since Soto is their singer now. Maybe Steve A. will get together with Tall Stories and record another CD, then you can enjoy that.

Actually, that's a good point. If they brought Steve back and wanted to be sure to end these rumours, they'd have to go to extra lengths to make sure he sounded completely different every night. A tough feat. Unfortunately, his reputation may have suffered so much through this that he couldn't even get back together with Tall Stories and record. Wouldn't the same rumours follow him there? Well, I guess if he did new material, that might work. But actually, it would probably only be Journey that could restore his reputation. Boy is that a sad thought. If that's the case, he lost everything for the sake of Journey and then they sent him to the dogs! I have a hard time seeing how much people seem to hate Steve right now. If he did what has been alleged, then it wasn't just him behind it. Yet, everyone forgives the rest of the band, hates Steve. To me, that's not right.

My husband thinks that this just isn't as big a deal as people here think it is. From what I've shown him that I've found these past few days, a few radio stations mentioned the lip synching possibility, and a few websites -- but most people just didn't hear of it and wouldn't even know who Steve Augeri is anyway. Maybe he's right ....

You sound so sure Soto is their lead singer. Do you have inside information on this?

by **Andrew** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 10:56 am

Let me make it VERY clear.

Everyone is welcome here and the only thing that will get your ass in the fry pan is being abusive or disrespectful to other users of the forum.

All topics and opinions are welcomed...and fans of Steve A are certainly most welcomed. I am still a fan of Steve's and I'm sure plenty of others are too.

by **EightyRock** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 11:26 am

"You sound so sure Soto is their lead singer. Do you have inside information on this?"

If I did, and repeated it, it would then be outside information. I think it is up to the band to say, or you could just wait till the tour is over and come to your own conclusions.

by **Rock Fn** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 11:56 am

knox wrote:This is NOT a BT bashing thread. Let's get that out there first.

I wonder how long until Journey's official website updates the pictures to replace Augeri with Soto? I understand they have to play the game of "We are waiting to see if he recovers", with all the people saying they can't wait for him to heal and come back.

Those of us with the opinion that Soto is the man now feel pretty strongly about it. It will be interesting to see when he is officially announced Journey's new singer, not just a fill in.

They won't ever do it. imo, JSS Is not going to front this band in the future. If they were to put JSS pic up now, those Augeri lovin porkchops would burn BT to the ground. :shock:

For the record, I'm a fan of Steve's. :lol:

by **Andrew** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 11:58 am

Rock Fn wrote:
They won't ever do it. imo, JSS Is not going to front this band in the future.

We'll just have to see

by **siobhan222** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 11:59 am

Rock Fn wrote:
knox wrote:They won't ever do it. imo, JSS Is not going to front this band in the future. If they were to put JSS pic up now, those Augeri lovin porkchops would burn BT to the ground.

So then, in your wise opinion, who do you think is going to front Journey in the future?

Signed by:
-- An Augeri Lovin' Porkchop :-)

by **siobhan222** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 12:01 pm

EightyRock wrote:"You sound so sure Soto is their lead singer. Do you have inside information on this?"

If I did, and repeated it, it would then be outside information. I think it is up to the band to say, or you could just wait till the tour is over and come to your own conclusions.

I think we're all going to have to wait until Journey makes an offical announcement on something ... for all we know, they might just make us wait until the beginning of the next tour for that.

by **Rock Fn** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 12:04 pm

Andrew wrote:
Rock Fn wrote:
They won't ever do it. imo, JSS Is not going to front this band in the future.

We'll just have to see

I don't think Augeri is either. My guess is someone younger and well known.

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