Have you SEEN & HEARD THIS?!

[JrnySuxBalls]

JSS does a great job...but in the original key? I don't think so...close...but at LEAST a 1/2 step down...maybe a whole step...but VERY good none the less...

Nope, it's 440 in G. Original key.

And how do you know this? Are you a vocal instructor? Or perhaps you have a tuner that you used? I think you are wrong, but so be it, I will bow to the obvious plethora of knowledge you have!

I play guitar professionally, all mine are tuned to 440. The video sound is dead on G.

[JrnySuxBalls]

Yup...and I think he is wrong...that doesn't make me right...it just my rather uneducated opinion.

A key isn't an opinion. It's either on or it's not. JSS is singing everything in the original key.
Or at least everything I've heard so far.

[RossValoryRocks]

JSS does a great job...but in the original key? I don't think so...close...but at LEAST a 1/2 step down...maybe a whole step...but VERY good none the less...

Nope, it's 440 in G. Original key.

And how do you know this? Are you a vocal instructor? Or perhaps you have a tuner that you used? I think you are wrong, but so be it, I will bow to the obvious plethora of knowledge you have!

I play guitar professionally, all mine are tuned to 440. The video sound is dead on G.

Ok...that doesn't mean the vocals are perfect. I play guitar too, not professionally, recreationally, for 30 years...I know my stuff too! I still think the vocals are off.

[swepett]

Ok...that doesn't mean the vocals are perfect. I play guitar too, not professionally, recreationally, for 30 years...I know my stuff too! I still think the vocals are off.

So you're really talking about different things? You both think it's the right key but you think JSS isn't nailing it?

[JrnySuxBalls]

Vocals are off? In another key? Huh?

[conversationpc]

I play guitar professionally...

I know of guitarists who couldn't tell the key of G from one of those keys that used to be on the SPAM cans.

Speaking of guitars/guitarists, here's a good guitarist joke...

Q: How many guitar players does it take to change a lightbulb ?

A: Five. One to change the bulb and four to tell you how much better they would have done it.

[RossValoryRocks]

Vocals are off? In another key? Huh?

They can be in the same key...just down a step...still G...just not the same G as Perry sang it in...regardless it is STILL great.

[JrnySuxBalls]

The tune is in G. JSS sings it in G.

[JrnySuxBalls]

Vocals are off? In another key? Huh?

They can be in the same key...just down a step...still G...just not the same G as Perry sang it in...regardless it is STILL great.

Ok you're losing me here big time.

[JrnySuxBalls]

I play guitar professionally...

I know of guitarists who couldn't tell the key of G from one of those keys that used to be on the SPAM cans.

That's cute. I'm not one them tho.

[swepett]

Vocals are off? In another key? Huh?

They can be in the same key...just down a step...still G...just not the same G as Perry sang it in...regardless it is STILL great.

Ok you're losing me here big time.

Me too. How can a G not be a G? But I'm a drummer so what do I know?

[JrnySuxBalls]

I think you're mistaking JSS's lower overtones for a key change.

"Don't speak of what you don't know" - David Draiman/Disturbed

[RossValoryRocks]

Vocals are off? In another key? Huh?

They can be in the same key...just down a step...still G...just not the same G as Perry sang it in...regardless it is STILL great.

Ok you're losing me here big time.

Play a G on your guitar...open 4th string in case you forgot...play a G on the 6th string, 3rd fret...same Key...different octave...Key of G...just not the same G...comprende'?

[JrnySuxBalls]

Ok you're losing me here big time.

Play a G on your guitar...open 4th string in case you forgot...play a G on the 6th string, 3rd fret...same Key...different octave...Key of G...just not the same G...comprende'?

You're saying he's dropping it an octave? Try again.

[EightyRock]

OMG this is funny! I know he's singing in the right key, but to tell ya the truth, if he wasn't I wouldn't care. He's a really good singer with alot of power and soul. I'd like to see his change those songs around some, not so they aren't recognizable, but make a few stylistic changes that suit him. Those guys need some freshening up if they are going to continue playing so much greatest hits stuff. New blood, new vibe, get some energy back. Everybody quit trying to be fu***** Perry and let your own talent be your strength.

[RossValoryRocks]

Ok you're losing me here big time.

Play a G on your guitar...open 4th string in case you forgot...play a G on the 6th string, 3rd fret...same Key...different octave...Key of G...just not the same G...comprende'?

You're saying he's dropping it an octave? Try again.

Perhaps you need to go back and listen again. He is lower than Perry on the song...PERIOD...so he is either singing it an octave lower...or 1/2 an octave down...but he is singing lower...period...

[JrnySuxBalls]

Nope. An octave down would be Barry White/Lou Reed territory, and a 1/2 octave would be a 4th or a
5th and would not resemble the melody at all. Period.

[RossValoryRocks]

OMG this is funny! I know he's singing in the right key, but to tell ya the truth, if he wasn't I wouldn't care. He's a really good singer with alot of power and soul. I'd like to see his change those songs around some, not so they aren't recognizable, but make a few stylistic changes that suit him. Those guys need some freshening up if they are going to continue playing so much greatest hits stuff. New blood, new vibe, get some energy back. Everybody quit trying to be fu***** Perry and let your own talent be your strength.

I never said he was out of key...I am saying he isn't singing the same G as Perry did on the studio version...and I am not saying he is bad either...or that Perry is god or anything like that...just that he is NO WHERE near as high as Perry is...

[RossValoryRocks]

Nope. An octave down would be Barry White/Lou Reed territory, and a 1/2 octave would be a 4th or a
5th and would not resemble the melody at all.

Then either he is OUT of key or they changed the key of the song for him...it is one or the other...because he is LOWER than Perry is on the studio cut...

[JrnySuxBalls]

Nope. An octave down would be Barry White/Lou Reed territory, and a 1/2 octave would be a 4th or a
5th and would not resemble the melody at all.

Then either he is OUT of key or they changed the key of the song for him...it is one or the other...

Nope.

[whocares]

opinions opinions, you can't convince people their opinion is wrong RVR, you may as well give up. No matter what you feel you know about music, you aren't doing a good job of convincing people you are right. You're all over the place and not making sense.

My Family is full of musicians dating back 60+ years as music teachers alone.

[RossValoryRocks]

Nope. An octave down would be Barry White/Lou Reed territory, and a 1/2 octave would be a 4th or a
5th and would not resemble the melody at all.

Then either he is OUT of key or they changed the key of the song for him...it is one or the other...

Nope.

So you say...again I think you are WRONG...but it doesn't matter...it either sounds GOOD or it doesn't...I think it does...JSS doesn't have to be Perry...

[RossValoryRocks]

opinions opinions, you can't convince people their opinion is wrong RVR, you may as well give up. No matter what you feel you know about music, you aren't doing a good job of convincing people you are right. You're all over the place and not making sense.

My Family is full of musicians dating back 60+ years as music teachers alone.

Ok...Good on your family! Are you one? I am...but you are right...I won't convince JD...and he won't convince me...so consider it dropped.

[JrnySuxBalls]

A melody and a key are not opinions. The variable is JSS's voice, it's resonance is different.
Fatter. It creates the illusion it's lower, but it is not. JSS has more low end in his voice.

But he's hitting the notes in the original key. And doing it well.

[siobhan222]

I think you're mistaking JSS's lower overtones for a key change.

I think you hit the nail on the head here JDouglee. It sounds like the same key as Perry to me. JSS has lower tones in his voice than Perry therefore, singing it in the same key will sound lower -- just because of the dramatic differences in their voice. I had an understudy for a play who had a very different voice from mine. Someone heard her sing the same song and thought it was a different key, but it wasn't. Voices make a difference.

[RossValoryRocks]

A melody and a key are not opinions. The variable is JSS's voice, it's resonance is different.
Fatter. It creates the illusion it's lower, but it is not. JSS has more low end in his voice.

But he's hitting the notes in the original key. And doing it well.

After calling my guitar teacher (yes I still take lessons after 30 years, there is always room to learn) he said the same thing...almost the EXACT same thing!

"Unlike a guitar or piano the human voice is far more variable...a G sung by one person can sound different than a G sung by another because of resonances in the human voice which make it sound lower or higher depending on the voice"

So you are right...

[whocares]

breakthrough, now to convince everyone else that we're right.

[RossValoryRocks]

breakthrough, now to convince everyone else that we're right.

Can you ask me to turn back time instead? It would be easier to do!

[whocares]

if I could do that bud, I wouldn't be here right now.

[JrnySuxBalls]