I'm Really Tired Of Hearing.....

[EightyRock]

No, Fred, not true. Perry would not be a "shadow of himself" if he stayed in Journey because he would be:
1. Singing his OWN songs or songs he co-wrote. (in any key HE decided upon in sold out venues)
2. Creating NEW music with the other members of the band and PLAYING IT
3. Enjoying a record label and all the cash and perks it brings because HE is still in the band. Journey's label said they weren't interested in anybody else fronting Journey.
4. Continuing to fly the Journey mothership so Neal & Jon wouldn't veer off course to crash and burn.

I wouldn't consider all that he's done for that band and all he could continue to do, if he chose to, would be in any lesser form than he has displayed in the past. He gives 100% to Journey when he is on that stage. Then, or now. At least he would sing live. At least he cares what their legacy means. It's all a MOOT point because JSS is IN and Perry wouldn't come to their rescue if (to quote someone else on this board)...they "backed the Brinks truck up to his house"!

[McNeil]

Yep, and of course the rest of the band were not at fault at all, right? It is really frustrating trying to be a supporter of Augeri here. It's like the better part of the last decade didn't happen, and everyone's just trying to bury him as quickly as possible. And whenever any of us try to defend him, we're told to go over to BT (sorry Andrew-don't mean to bring it up, but it's pertinent to the discussion).

I've said that I'm a fan of all three vocalists, and am thrilled that JSS got a shot at this. My favorite vocalist of all-time and of any band is Perry. But I'm also a fan of Augeri, and I can't understand why the guilt all being put on him, like the rest of the band is blameless.

I said in a previous thread that I never realized how disliked Augeri was until JSS stepped in. If no one liked or supported this guy, who's been going to the shows for the last eight years?

Everything that's being said about the shows with JSS have been said about the shows with Augeri: Crowd had a great time, lead singer was all over the stage, they did all the hits. Now suddenly it's like no one here wants to admit that they enjoyed an Augeri show or liked any of the band's material since TBF. Everybody is entitled to their opinion, but it is a little mind-boggling how so many have turned on one person when the whole band is involved.

You summed it up perfectly

I think its known in the animal kingdom as "Pack mentality"

Everyone latches on to the behaviour of the dominant "leader" ..in this case "Rockn Deano" who quite clearly sees himself as the "spokesperson" on this forum... and then they all band together to oust the weakest link...the "runt" in this case... Steve A !! the object of the pack leaders vitriol!

Observe some of the "subservient" pack members... clearly now quite directionless... wondering where "Deano" is now ..pining for his return...lost without him.... lol !!

Ok.... the gaffe has been blown... Jrny caught red handed.... but dont "diss" the previous 7 yrs you enjoyed with Augeri..you bought the CD's and watched the shows... hell...some of you even "liked" him god forbid.

Dont be embarrased to admit you supported the guy..... you werent responsible for touring him to death.... dont be railroaded into kicking the guy when hes been thrown to the wolves by the Jrny Corp

Without his time in the band... there would, in all possibility, be no Journey right now!!

[EightyRock]

You've got to be kidding. There would have been a Journey nomatter what. Neal already made the decision to go on without Perry. Jon agreed to go along with it. They would have found somebody, anybody with a tenor voice to keep going and guess what? I would have worked if for no other reason than some Journey fans were starved to hear those hits again. Now, after hearing them for 8 years solid with no real beef in their new material, and the tape-gate issue at hand, another change must take place for them to continue yet AGAIN. Let's hope this change is in the right direction this time.

[McNeil]

er,,,, nope..... I wasnt kidding ... point is.... it was Augeri got the job.... not someone else who may or may not have been short listed... so Im correct in stating..that he..Augeri has helped keep Jrny alive

[yulog]

someone please let me in on this---thanks

[larryfromnextdoor]

someone please let me in on this---thanks

OMG--hahahhah,,, sorry if your serious,, holy moly that was funny,, and sad too,, were should we start,, ,, one day about 6 weeks ago.................HA

[Saint John]

This band has no direction. Ever since they were dropped by their label they have produced an album and a half that are, relative to the Journey catalog, embarrassing. Red 13 and Generations didn't sell squat. They're musically directionless. To me, they just sound terrible. I think the sign for me that the wheels were coming off of the cart was last year. I couldn't believe that they resorted to extorting money from their fans. They advertised a "free" cd with the purchase of a concert ticket. That was bullshit. They then told us that the cd price was "incorporated" into the concert ticket price. I saw them 4 times last year, and basically had to pay for a piece of shit album 4 times. Force-feeding your fans shitty music is not a good way to conduct business. Neither is turning off your lead singers mic and not explaining why to your fans. I'll be at their Chicago show because I do not hold JSS accountable for their recent actions and I still love the old music. But these guys need to go to confession after treating their fans like this.

[RossValoryRocks]

ross ahd to file for banckrupcy cause he screwed up simple as that don't try to smear that on steve p lol lets get real about that no one told him to blow his money and not invest wisely thats all on him.

You have no IDEA why Ross had to file for bankruptcy. None at all. Being fired by Perry had a HUGE effect on his finances.
Ross is one of the most stand up guys out there, period.
I have had many conversations with the Ross over the years about being let go by Perry, and while he doesn't go into detail, because a bankruptcy is an intensely private thing, he told me enough to know that while he didn't do everything wisely, he certainly didn't lost more from no longer being in Journey than he did from making foolish decisions.
Talk about what you know, and of this you don't know anything.

[larryfromnextdoor]

This band has no direction. Ever since they were dropped by their label they have produced an album and a half that are, relative to the Journey catalog, embarrassing. Red 13 and Generations didn't sell squat. They're musically directionless. To me, they just sound terrible. I think the sign for me that the wheels were coming off of the cart was last year. I couldn't believe that they resorted to extorting money from their fans. They advertised a "free" cd with the purchase of a concert ticket. That was bullshit. They then told us that the cd price was "incorporated" into the concert ticket price. I saw them 4 times last year, and basically had to pay for a piece of shit album 4 times. Force-feeding your fans shitty music is not a good way to conduct business. Neither is turning off your lead singers mic and not explaining why to your fans. I'll be at their Chicago show because I do not hold JSS accountable for their recent actions and I still love the old music. But these guys need to go to confession after treating their fans like this.

sounds pretty solid too me. well said. yea man , i agree , dont blame jss. hes holding them together. i paid for that album once myself.

[fred_journeyman]

No, Fred, not true. Perry would not be a "shadow of himself" if he stayed in Journey because he would be:
1. Singing his OWN songs or songs he co-wrote. (in any key HE decided upon in sold out venues)
2. Creating NEW music with the other members of the band and PLAYING IT
3. Enjoying a record label and all the cash and perks it brings because HE is still in the band. Journey's label said they weren't interested in anybody else fronting Journey.
4. Continuing to fly the Journey mothership so Neal & Jon wouldn't veer off course to crash and burn.

I wouldn't consider all that he's done for that band and all he could continue to do, if he chose to, would be in any lesser form than he has displayed in the past. He gives 100% to Journey when he is on that stage. Then, or now. At least he would sing live. At least he cares what their legacy means. It's all a MOOT point because JSS is IN and Perry wouldn't come to their rescue if (to quote someone else on this board)...they "backed the Brinks truck up to his house"!

Wow, this would make a great movie! A fantasy at that. Journey would be a shadow of itself if Perry was back in because:
1) He cannot hit the high notes that he once used to sing with ease, therefore they would either have to toss more than half their current catalog or lower them by two full steps - this and this alone is what would make Journey a shadow of themselves; Perry not being able to sing like he used to sing.
2) He has no desire to be back in the saddle again, or he would be there
3) His time is over
4) Journey would not be selling out venues

Perry giving 100% has little to do with his capabilities at this point in time. Can he hit the highs? Come on, be honest. It's okay:)

"At least he would sing live." What does that mean, that Augeri or Soto didn't/don't sing live? How asinine is that comment. If they were going to pre-record Augeri's voice and have it play back during live performances, wouldn't it be easier to create the perfect sound through computer software? It's pretty easy to do with the software that's available these days.

"He cares what their legacy means." That's debatable. I tend to think he simply didn't want anyone at all stepping into his position as frontman and that's it. If Perry was in Journey now, it would truly be a nostalgia act and nothing more. I don't imagine that Sony or anyone else would be knocking on their door for a record deal just because Perry was with them. Because he's been out of the business for so long, he'd have to prove himself first and that wouldn't work.

"Crash and burn"? Whatever. What's it to you if they crash and burn? You're just PO'd because Perry isn't there and Journey is fine without him. You can debate that if you want, but the reality is that Perry is fine, Journey's fine, we're all fine - except those who cannot let go of their dream that Perry remains as good a singer as ever and motivated enough to be able to be as energetic as he once was when it comes to being on stage. If that was the case, he would BE there even as a solo artist, BUT I don't see him doing that. And you know what? I don't see or hear about a record company knocking his door down, begging him to sign with them.

You're right about one thing though - EVERYTHING that is opinion-based on this board or any other board is moot. It makes absolutely no difference. Personally, I wish sometimes that Perry WOULD come back to Journey. Then we'd finally have some closure for folks who can't live without him AND we'd find out exactly what the truth of the matter is with everything you've stated and others have stated - you know, stadiums being sold out, a new record contract, a new heaven and earth and peace in the Middle East - all that would come true and more if Perry would just "rise again."

[fred_journeyman]

Sorry - duplicate post.

[fred_journeyman]

Sorry - triplicate post.

[Saint John]

Fred, Journey "fine" without Perry? OK, let's analyze that statement. Platinum albums...ZERO. Radio play....ZERO. Relevance in the music industry over the last 8 years....ZERO.

Right now is the band's lowest point in a LONG time. They have lead singer issues. They're opening up for Def Leppard to half a crowd. Say what you want, but they ARE the opening act. When you open night after night to much less than the next act you ARE the opener. They have a cloud of suspicion hanging over their heads due to the fact they won't address a messy situation.

And how the hell do you know what kind of shape Perry's voice is in? Your speculation about one of rock's all-time greatest voices is absurd. Perry would bring a label faster than you think. Look at Motley Crue. They are far inferior to Journey, yet their re-union has been a huge success. They got a label and have been singing in front of 10 to 20 thousand for almost two years now. You think a Perry- fronted Journey couldn't match that? Perry would bring back the 50-75 percent of Journey fans who left a long long time ago. And yes, they would be playing much bigger venues...not Casinos and state fairs. Your comments are ridiculous.

[Saint John]

Fred, you're a real jackass. Go back to grammar school and learn about context. It seems pretty clear to me that when I said they are musically dierctionless and sound terrible that I was referring to their albums. As far as going to see them 4 times...I still love the classics and Neal is my favorite guitarist. And money, I can afford it. Money means very little to me. It's the point that they fleeced their fans. Did the concerts sound good? Most of them were good. They've had, in my opinion, sound problems for quite some time now. I'm not sure who's responsible but I've seen shows where an instrument wasn't on or Augeri went through several mics. The band needs proper management. They need to do radio shows, television shows, live chats, etc. They have completely alienated music's greatest fans. Personally, I'm not sure if Schon or Cain are to blame. I don't know who is captaining this wayward ship.

[fred_journeyman]

Fred, Journey "fine" without Perry? OK, let's analyze that statement.

That's swell. Let's...

Platinum albums...ZERO. Radio play....ZERO. Relevance in the music industry over the last 8 years....ZERO.

I said "fine" without Perry. I didn't say Grammy nominated, sold-out venues of 80,000 or more, etc. I used the word "fine." Maybe what you need to do is analyze the meaning of my words.

Right now is the band's lowest point in a LONG time.

Really? Says you. You, of course, are the determining factor in what is high, middle and/or low.

They have lead singer issues.

That's it? They have lead singer issues? They had lead singer issues when Perry was WITH the band:) I'd say Perry skipping out on fans immediately after concerts was an issue. I'd say a LOT of things Perry did during his tenure with the band created severe issues.

They're opening up for Def Leppard to half a crowd. Say what you want, but they ARE the opening act. When you open night after night to much less than the next act you ARE the opener.

That doesn't bother me. Sorry that you're losing sleep over it.

They have a cloud of suspicion hanging over their heads due to the fact they won't address a messy situation.

Hmmm, this sounds like a job for...Guy NOIR! Who cares? Who gives a rip-roaring flip?! I don't. If it wasn't "lead singer issues," it would be something else for people like you. You folks LIVE for the intensity of the conspiracy. You look for ANY excuse to rag, bag or otherwise slam Journey. If Perry was back in the band, you'd continue to slam Neal and the guys and Perry would be the only angel, only he's NOT an angel. He's as freakin' human as the rest of them are, except to you.

And how the hell do you know what kind of shape Perry's voice is in? Your speculation about one of rock's all-time greatest voices is absurd.

My speculation? Okay dreamer. He himself said it would take him roughly four months to get his voice "back" whatever that means. One thing it DOES mean is that he recognizes that his voice is not in tip-top shape.

Perry would bring a label faster than you think.

Really? So when I say that won't happen, I'm speculating. When YOU say the opposite, it's fact? Okay.

Look at Motley Crue. They are far inferior to Journey, yet their re-union has been a huge success. They got a label and have been singing in front of 10 to 20 thousand for almost two years now. You think a Perry- fronted Journey couldn't match that? Perry would bring back the 50-75 percent of Journey fans who left a long long time ago. And yes, they would be playing much bigger venues...not Casinos and state fairs. Your comments are ridiculous.

So are yours and whether you accept it or not, yours as are opinionated as mine. The reality is that to me, it doesn't matter if Journey plays a Casino, a state fair or a stadium. It just doesn't matter. I don't lose sleep over any of this. In the end, it's all just music. You, on the other hand are obviously losing sleep over something and I really think it has everything to do with the fact that Perry is not doing ANYTHING, much less singing in Journey.

Can you please do me a favor? Come up with some new arguments that prove you and the people who think like you do are not stuck in the past, all right? My goodness, I have been at BT and here off and on for years (along with various Perry-related boards and the VH-1 Perry and Journey boards and NOTHING I'm reading here, even after being gone for months is new. Nothing. Not one iota. It's a bunch of Perry Only fanatics who go around benchpressing their own "know-it-all" attitudes and feel the need to convince everyone else that they are wrong. You're wasting your breath. I've heard and read EVERYTHING you've stated a million times and because there is now a new singer in Journey, the same old, tired, worn-out arguments are dragged out by you and others, with a fresh coat of chees whiz and bandied about as if it's all fact and it's wrapped in a "I really care about what happens to Journey" wrapping paper as if you DO care about Journey when in reality you only care about the fact that Steve Perry is not IN Journey and in fact, is IN nothing.

One thing never changes about all these "factual" arguments put forth, is the humor factor. I have to say I really love that aspect of it.

[fred_journeyman]

Fred, you're a real jackass.

Now, now, I didn't mean to hit a nerve...no need to get verbally violent.

Go back to grammar school and learn about context.

Just as soon as you learn to say what you mean...

It seems pretty clear to me that when I said they are musically dierctionless and sound terrible that I was referring to their albums.

Of course it would seem clear to you since you wrote it, but that doesn't mean it's clear in general. But if that's what you mean, I say that I couldn't disagree with you more. I like GENERATIONS and RED 13. ARRIVAL I'm not crazy about, but I can excuse them because that was Augeri's first CD with them.

As far as going to see them 4 times...I still love the classics and Neal is my favorite guitarist. And money, I can afford it. Money means very little to me.

How noble of you.

It's the point that they fleeced their fans.

Your opinion and it means nothing. I don't think they fleeced their fans at all.

Did the concerts sound good? Most of them were good. They've had, in my opinion, sound problems for quite some time now. I'm not sure who's responsible but I've seen shows where an instrument wasn't on or Augeri went through several mics. The band needs proper management. They need to do radio shows, television shows, live chats, etc. They have completely alienated music's greatest fans.

They have not completely alienated music's greatest fans. That's absurd, unless of course you've done some scientific study that I'm not aware of...

Personally, I'm not sure if Schon or Cain are to blame. I don't know who is captaining this wayward ship.

You are way too funny. Thank you:)

[Saint John]

Fred, Journey "fine" without Perry? OK, let's analyze that statement.

That's swell. Let's...

Platinum albums...ZERO. Radio play....ZERO. Relevance in the music industry over the last 8 years....ZERO.

I said "fine" without Perry. I didn't say Grammy nominated, sold-out venues of 80,000 or more, etc. I used the word "fine." Maybe what you need to do is analyze the meaning of my words.

Right now is the band's lowest point in a LONG time.

Really? Says you. You, of course, are the determining factor in what is high, middle and/or low.

They have lead singer issues.

That's it? They have lead singer issues? They had lead singer issues when Perry was WITH the band:) I'd say Perry skipping out on fans immediately after concerts was an issue. I'd say a LOT of things Perry did during his tenure with the band created severe issues.

They're opening up for Def Leppard to half a crowd. Say what you want, but they ARE the opening act. When you open night after night to much less than the next act you ARE the opener.

That doesn't bother me. Sorry that you're losing sleep over it.

They have a cloud of suspicion hanging over their heads due to the fact they won't address a messy situation.

Hmmm, this sounds like a job for...Guy NOIR! Who cares? Who gives a rip-roaring flip?! I don't. If it wasn't "lead singer issues," it would be something else for people like you. You folks LIVE for the intensity of the conspiracy. You look for ANY excuse to rag, bag or otherwise slam Journey. If Perry was back in the band, you'd continue to slam Neal and the guys and Perry would be the only angel, only he's NOT an angel. He's as freakin' human as the rest of them are, except to you.

And how the hell do you know what kind of shape Perry's voice is in? Your speculation about one of rock's all-time greatest voices is absurd.

My speculation? Okay dreamer. He himself said it would take him roughly four months to get his voice "back" whatever that means. One thing it DOES mean is that he recognizes that his voice is not in tip-top shape.

Perry would bring a label faster than you think.

Really? So when I say that won't happen, I'm speculating. When YOU say the opposite, it's fact? Okay.

Look at Motley Crue. They are far inferior to Journey, yet their re-union has been a huge success. They got a label and have been singing in front of 10 to 20 thousand for almost two years now. You think a Perry- fronted Journey couldn't match that? Perry would bring back the 50-75 percent of Journey fans who left a long long time ago. And yes, they would be playing much bigger venues...not Casinos and state fairs. Your comments are ridiculous.

So are yours and whether you accept it or not, yours as are opinionated as mine. The reality is that to me, it doesn't matter if Journey plays a Casino, a state fair or a stadium. It just doesn't matter. I don't lose sleep over any of this. In the end, it's all just music. You, on the other hand are obviously losing sleep over something and I really think it has everything to do with the fact that Perry is not doing ANYTHING, much less singing in Journey.

Can you please do me a favor? Come up with some new arguments that prove you and the people who think like you do are not stuck in the past, all right? My goodness, I have been at BT and here off and on for years (along with various Perry-related boards and the VH-1 Perry and Journey boards and NOTHING I'm reading here, even after being gone for months is new. Nothing. Not one iota. It's a bunch of Perry Only fanatics who go around benchpressing their own "know-it-all" attitudes and feel the need to convince everyone else that they are wrong. You're wasting your breath. I've heard and read EVERYTHING you've stated a million times and because there is now a new singer in Journey, the same old, tired, worn-out arguments are dragged out by you and others, with a fresh coat of chees whiz and bandied about as if it's all fact and it's wrapped in a "I really care about what happens to Journey" wrapping paper as if you DO care about Journey when in reality you only care about the fact that Steve Perry is not IN Journey and in fact, is IN nothing.

One thing never changes about all these "factual" arguments put forth, is the humor factor. I have to say I really love that aspect of it.

So, I'm a "Perry-only fanatic?" Hmmmm. I own no Steve Perry albums. That seems weird for a fanatic. I DO however, own Arrival and Generations. As for facts, there's a promoter in Philly who expected to sell at least 40,000 tickets for the Trial By Fire stop in Philly. And I see no reason why that would be any different now, considering grunge was a bigger player then and classic/80's rock has now made a big comeback. As for Perry, I've ripped him a new one many times in the past and continue to do so. I think the remastering bullshit is another case of HIM padding his pockets. He really needs to cut that shit out. Sing or don't sing, but quit "repackaging" the same stuff we already have. Perry is far from a saint. But relative to the sounds coming off the Journey stage now, he is a GOD.

[Marabelle]

all i hear are people trying to exalt espee to a place where i believe he would even be uncomfortable being. he holds a place that no ne will ever be able to touch in hearts of many but he is not a saint ... he's just steve.

[Saint John]

"Red 13 and Generations didn't sell squat. They're musically directionless. To me, they just sound terrible."


"They're" in the first sentence refers to Red 13 and Generations. In the third sentence, "they" also refers to Red 13 and Generations. I happen to be a Chicago Public School teacher and this is 3rd grade level context clues. The fact that you can't decipher what I meant puts you at about a second grade level. Which to me is no surprise. Have a nice day.

[Saint John]

all i hear are people trying to exalt espee to a place where i believe he would even be uncomfortable being. he holds a place that no ne will ever be able to touch in hearts of many but he is not a saint ... he's just steve.

I agree with you. I just don't think he realizes that we just want to see that magical lineup on stage together again. I don't think most fans would expect to hear his voice as it was in 81. Whatever his voice, those songs are his, and that's what we miss.

[NYer]

all i hear are people trying to exalt espee to a place where i believe he would even be uncomfortable being. he holds a place that no ne will ever be able to touch in hearts of many but he is not a saint ... he's just steve.

I agree with you. I just don't think he realizes that we just want to see that magical lineup on stage together again. I don't think most fans would expect to hear his voice as it was in 81. Whatever his voice, those songs are his, and that's what we miss.

Bullseye!

Congratulations. You have just broken the DaVinci code.

[fred_journeyman]

"Red 13 and Generations didn't sell squat. They're musically directionless. To me, they just sound terrible."


"They're" in the first sentence refers to Red 13 and Generations. In the third sentence, "they" also refers to Red 13 and Generations. I happen to be a Chicago Public School teacher and this is 3rd grade level context clues. The fact that you can't decipher what I meant puts you at about a second grade level. Which to me is no surprise. Have a nice day.

Actually, "they're" is in the fourth sentence and it could have referred back to your actual first use of "they" in the second sentence when you mention that THEY were dropped by their label. In fact, you used the term "they" at least five times in your paragraph and in some cases, you mean "they" as in the members of the band, and in other cases, you mean "they" as in CDs. Forgive me if I read your comments too fast and didn't allow them to fully sink in (oh, what a travesty!).

Come on Johnny, stop trying to impress me. I spent ten years teaching in California's public school system. I now teach college. I've also published a magazine for the past twelve years, written a book that's been published and am in the process of filming screenplays that I've written for my own production company. The fact that you have to resort to meaningless attempts at personal insult means you have nothing of substance to say. Reading your posts again brings me to the same conclusion.

[fred_journeyman]

all i hear are people trying to exalt espee to a place where i believe he would even be uncomfortable being. he holds a place that no ne will ever be able to touch in hearts of many but he is not a saint ... he's just steve.

I agree with you. I just don't think he realizes that we just want to see that magical lineup on stage together again. I don't think most fans would expect to hear his voice as it was in 81. Whatever his voice, those songs are his, and that's what we miss.

Bullseye!

Congratulations. You have just broken the DaVinci code.

Missed the mark, sorry. If Steve Perry does not realize NOW that his fans want to see that "magical" lineup again, then he'll NEVER get it. His fans have gone out of the way to send birthday notes, and a ton of other things so that he will realize how much he is missed. Still, he stands off to the side with a question mark over his head.

Oh, and by the way, the DaVinci Code was written as fiction.

[conversationpc]

Missed the mark, sorry. If Steve Perry does not realize NOW that his fans want to see that "magical" lineup again, then he'll NEVER get it. His fans have gone out of the way to send birthday notes, and a ton of other things so that he will realize how much he is missed. Still, he stands off to the side with a question mark over his head.

I'm sure Steve Perry realizes that many of his fans want him out there on the stage, singing Journey tunes. I don't think he really cares much, though.

Oh, and by the way, the DaVinci Code was written as fiction.

While the storyline itself is fiction, Brown states in the forward a few historical "facts" and claims that the historical references in the novel, descriptions of artwork, etc., are all true in reality. Of course, many of these don't stand up to the truth.

[Marabelle]

Sorry Fred you don't seem to get it. Steve is not stupid. He realizes the fans want him to sing one more time with the band. The plain truth about it seems that he does not want to be with the line up. I think it would take more than money...perhaps Heavenly intervention before he'd ever sing on stage with the rest of the band members.

[EightyRock]

I think tensions have run high enough on this board in the past few weeks without going over what Perry brought to the band and what he still means to the name Journey. If that isn't obvious to anybody after what the band just pulled, then debating it after 8 years isn't going to change their minds. Fred's been hating Perry and screaming about it for years. He's just been gone for a while. The Perry vs Augeri stuff is in the past, Fred, so why come here and harp about it? Try reading what has been going on with the band and with nearly ALL the fans and you will see nobody would want Perry back in Journey any more than you. It would be beneath him in so many ways at this point.
Now JSS is fronting the band, doing a hell of a job pulling their asses up from the depths of deceit to their fans. It's like TNC said in a recent thread...something about you can't dislike them as much as Augeri because they are too damn talented. That's the problem. We all like Journey and want them to uphold their legacy as being the talented, kick-ass band better-than-just-about-everybody-else band. Maybe now with Soto, they can get back to business and once again show some HONEST musicianship. That's reallly what most of us want. Neal is going to continue touring and Perry ain't coming back. So they only way to bring this back from the dark side is to treat the fans with honesty and respect and they will get in back in spades.

[PROPERRY]

all i hear are people trying to exalt espee to a place where i believe he would even be uncomfortable being. he holds a place that no ne will ever be able to touch in hearts of many but he is not a saint ... he's just steve.

I agree with you. I just don't think he realizes that we just want to see that magical lineup on stage together again. I don't think most fans would expect to hear his voice as it was in 81. Whatever his voice, those songs are his, and that's what we miss.

I WILL forever miss that magical line up that made me a Journey fan (that is of course the line up with Steve Perry, Jon Cain, Steve Smith, Neal Schon, Ross Valory). You are right in saying FOR ME, that the ONLY ONE that can sing those songs the way I like them sung is Steve Perry!!!

As for Perry's voice TODAY, I BELIEVE HE STILL GOT IT!! He can sing ANY song he wants in ANY KEY he wants & I'd be a VERY, VERY HAPPY FAN!!!

Lori

[NYer]

Sorry Fred you don't seem to get it. Steve is not stupid. He realizes the fans want him to sing one more time with the band. The plain truth about it seems that he does not want to be with the line up. I think it would take more than money...perhaps Heavenly intervention before he'd ever sing on stage with the rest of the band members.

hee hee.

[PROPERRY]

all i hear are people trying to exalt espee to a place where i believe he would even be uncomfortable being. he holds a place that no ne will ever be able to touch in hearts of many but he is not a saint ... he's just steve.

I agree with you. I just don't think he realizes that we just want to see that magical lineup on stage together again. I don't think most fans would expect to hear his voice as it was in 81. Whatever his voice, those songs are his, and that's what we miss.

I WILL forever miss that magical line up that made me a Journey fan (that is of course the line up with Steve Perry, Jon Cain, Steve Smith, Neal Schon, Ross Valory). You are right in saying FOR ME, that the ONLY ONE that can sing those songs the way I like them sung is Steve Perry!!!

As for Perry's voice TODAY, I BELIEVE HE STILL GOT IT!! He can sing ANY song he wants in ANY KEY he wants & I'd be a VERY, VERY HAPPY FAN!!!

Lori[/

Oh I needed to make clear to my own post, while I will forever miss that magical line up, I'm certainly not expecting Perry to sing with Journey again. I respect what Perry had to say on Fan Asylum about not wanting to perform with the band members, but when I listen to those songs, it is still "his voice" that I want to hear singing those songs.

[larryfromnextdoor]

holy smokes , u folks write a lot,, help out an old dog , if you got up to 50 lines of sentences then post it and relax a bit,, ugh,, its a tough read sometimes around here,, my eyes is weary,,