Go out with some pride.

[fred_journeyman]

You're kidding right?

No.

They're already done.

Your opinion and I disagree with it.

They would be doing it for the money? What are they doing now?

Their jobs. What I meant was that if they chose to have Steve Perry back in the group and he accepted, THAT would be for the money. This is simply their line of work; what they do for their career.

Most of the time they look like manikins on stage.

Opinion and a ridiculous one at that. Keith Richards looks like a mannequin on stage...and he's been smoking the same cigarette for years...

Queen just embarked on a very successful tour. Those guys are all pushing 60.

A bit different. Paul Rodgers is 57, yes, but he's also continued singing throughout his career. Never let up. If Freddie Mercury was still with us, he'd be 60 and probably still singing as well. If you STOP singing as Perry has done, you don't just get back on stage after a decade or more absence and pick up where you left off. He knows that. Too bad some of his diehard fans don't.

I have the right to voice my opnion.

Never said you didn't have the right to voice your opinion. When you do, it gives me an opportunity to point out your faulty reasoning, so keep 'em coming.

If I want to or don't want too see them, It's my buisness.

Never implied it wasn't. I was simply pointing out that people like you, who go under the guise of caring about Journey, really seem to only care about the fact that Journey has gone out without your favorite singer, Steve Perry. Anything less than him at the helm is not Journey. Certainly your opinion is valid for you, but it is not the end all/be all. Journey is doing fine, in my opinion. Ultimately, if they are playing concerts in front of crowds who enjoy listening and if the guys themselves are having fun at it, then that's really all that matters, in my opinion. If Steve Perry came back, Journey would truly become a nostalgia act, or possibly even an odd curiousity.

[johnroxx]

Queen just embarked on a very successful tour.

A little late on that big announcement, lol....

Sorry; as someone who's known Paul for some time now, that was a real knee-slapper for me

;^)

[Rock Fn]

Queen just embarked on a very successful tour.

A little late on that big announcement, lol....

Sorry; as someone who's known Paul for some time now, that was a real knee-slapper for me

;^)

I know the tour has been over since early may. I seen them at the pond. It was a fantastic show. IMO, Paul raised his game for the tour. No reason Journey can't do something like that.

[yak]

Not for everyone. Knowing it would be the final album and tour would suck. Plus I don't want another TBF. Makes a great coaster, though.

The concept of a JSS-fronted Journey is more energizing than bringing back a worn-out Perry. Now, a solo CD from Perry might be nice.

Agreed. Though I wouldn't spend a penny on anything Perry.

Not to mention that they would have to give away the store to get the Maestro back. Then they'd have to hope he wouldn't get another "hip injury."

[Blueskies]

Hello everyone, this is my first post! Reality check: If Steve Perry came back you ALL would be competeing for front row center! You can say what you want, but you would be in denial when we all know it's true.

[yak]

Hello everyone, this is my first post! Reality check: If Steve Perry came back you ALL would be competeing for front row center! You can say what you want, but you would be in denial when we all know it's true.

Yet another Loon in drag......... ........Reality Check....

[Blueskies]

Not an intellegent response, but that was expected. Thanks for the welcome.

[A Fire Inside]

Hello everyone, this is my first post! Reality check: If Steve Perry came back you ALL would be competeing for front row center! You can say what you want, but you would be in denial when we all know it's true.

I think you're wrong. I know many people who would hate to see the band get back together with him.

[fred_journeyman]

Hello everyone, this is my first post! Reality check: If Steve Perry came back you ALL would be competeing for front row center! You can say what you want, but you would be in denial when we all know it's true.

No, I would not be there - in the first row, the last row, or any row in between - sorry to disappoint you. I'm not in denial either. I'm living in reality. Perry fronting Journey simply does not interest me. He had his day and because he opted not to go on with the band, he effectively said "I'm done." He has been saying that since then for every type of singing, except humming a few bars here and there as backup on a few people's CDs. Sad that his "diehards" just don't get that and the subject needs to be brought up over and over and over and over and over and over and over...and over again.

Is this your first actual post, or your first post as "thevoicelover"...

[Rock Fn]

Hello everyone, this is my first post! Reality check: If Steve Perry came back you ALL would be competeing for front row center! You can say what you want, but you would be in denial when we all know it's true.

No, I would not be there - in the first row, the last row, or any row in between - sorry to disappoint you. I'm not in denial either. I'm living in reality. Perry fronting Journey simply does not interest me. He had his day and because he opted not to go on with the band, he effectively said "I'm done." He has been saying that since then for every type of singing, except humming a few bars here and there as backup on a few people's CDs. Sad that his "diehards" just don't get that and the subject needs to be brought up over and over and over and over and over and over and over...and over again.

Is this your first actual post, or your first post as "thevoicelover"...

Fred, for me It's not about Perry. I know that's hard to believe. My Favorite member of Journey was Gregg. I just want these guys to go on top. Things aren't looking good right now. What's next? Free shows at the Santacruz Beach Boardwalk?

[larryfromnextdoor]

They seem to be selling a lot of tickets. Journey will stop touring when they stop selling tickets. People want to see them. If you don't want to see them with the current line-up, don't go.

AMEN la woman!!! very well said,, for crying out loud people,, just dont go ,, dont support them,, they have plenty of fans anyway ,we will go and enjoy ourselves,,but you ,, just dont go!!! sell your tix now! it not worth it for some,, oh the disapointment some could avoid,, ugh,,

jss rocks!!! with journey and without,, journey right now , still rocks,,

[McNeil]

Hahahahahahaha

lol lol lol

HO HO HO HO HO

Perry treadin the boards with Jrny again.... dont make me laugh...oops..I just did!

[yak]

By the way, there used to be a Steve Perry forum on Andrew's space here. What happened to it?

Andrew closed it down due to inactivity, because the Loons were always on the Journey board with their agenda. They didn't really want a Stevie board, they just said they did.

[Blueskies]

Hello everyone, this is my first post! Reality check: If Steve Perry came back you ALL would be competeing for front row center! You can say what you want, but you would be in denial when we all know it's true.

No, I would not be there - in the first row, the last row, or any row in between - sorry to disappoint you. I'm not in denial either. I'm living in reality. Perry fronting Journey simply does not interest me. He had his day and because he opted not to go on with the band, he effectively said "I'm done." He has been saying that since then for every type of singing, except humming a few bars here and there as backup on a few people's CDs. Sad that his "diehards" just don't get that and the subject needs to be brought up over and over and over and over and over and over and over...and over again.

Is this your first actual post, or your first post as "thevoicelover"...

I did not mean with Journey... would not want that now myself. And yes this is my first day ever posting anywhere, but have read alot of threads recently and decided to chime in, for what it's worth. (2 cents?)

[larryfromnextdoor]

Hello everyone, this is my first post! Reality check: If Steve Perry came back you ALL would be competeing for front row center! You can say what you want, but you would be in denial when we all know it's true.

No, I would not be there - in the first row, the last row, or any row in between - sorry to disappoint you. I'm not in denial either. I'm living in reality. Perry fronting Journey simply does not interest me. He had his day and because he opted not to go on with the band, he effectively said "I'm done." He has been saying that since then for every type of singing, except humming a few bars here and there as backup on a few people's CDs. Sad that his "diehards" just don't get that and the subject needs to be brought up over and over and over and over and over and over and over...and over again.

Is this your first actual post, or your first post as "thevoicelover"...

I did not mean with Journey... would not want that now myself. And yes this is my first day ever posting anywhere, but have read alot of threads recently and decided to chime in, for what it's worth. (2 cents?)

for your first postings u sure jumped in with both feet!!! a spunky one indeed!!

[Blueskies]

no guts no glory

[fred_journeyman]

Okay, thanks for clarifying. Since you meant Steve Perry on his own or with someone else (though not Journey), I will state without equivocation that I would not pay to see him at all...period. I'm simply not interested. What is the point of seeing someone who cannot do justice to the songs that he once made famous? He wasn't able to do it during his FTLOSM tour (when he sang a ton of Journey tunes not in the original key) and I cannot imagine that he can somehow do it now.

[Vladan]

He wasn't able to do it during his FTLOSM tour (when he sang a ton of Journey tunes not in the original key) and I cannot imagine that he can somehow do it now.

Fine, but did Steve Augeri ever do justice to the songs - not on the 2001, man not even close. Seperate Ways and Ask The Lonely sounded like Karaoke, I am not tone deaf, but the rest of the DVD was pretty good, but it was still very safe in the vocal department.

Albums count in my opinion, and touring is good for the money but anyone can tour, but selling the albums is the hardpart. Bands like like Journey today need to tour, and play classics to keep money coming in, because obviously their record sales are not bringin in the money, unless its the old stuff. Journey are finished, they have been since 1983, but ROR was a final attept at fame, which was a well produced record, with 4 or 5 hits.

I would go see Journey LIVE today for sure, but they will never be what they were - its like Survivor changing their lead singer, like some attept of trying somthing new, well how about taking up a sport like lawn bowls for a start, thats new.

[fred_journeyman]

He wasn't able to do it during his FTLOSM tour (when he sang a ton of Journey tunes not in the original key) and I cannot imagine that he can somehow do it now.

Fine, but did Steve Augeri ever do justice to the songs - not on the 2001, man not even close. Seperate Ways and Ask The Lonely sounded like Karaoke, I am not tone deaf, but the rest of the DVD was pretty good, but it was still very safe in the vocal department.

Albums count in my opinion, and touring is good for the money but anyone can tour, but selling the albums is the hardpart. Bands like like Journey today need to tour, and play classics to keep money coming in, because obviously their record sales are not bringin in the money, unless its the old stuff. Journey are finished, they have been since 1983, but ROR was a final attept at fame, which was a well produced record, with 4 or 5 hits.

Thanks for your opinions, not that they change mine...

By the way, TBF was the last attempt at fame, which garnered the group their first and I believe only Grammy nod.

[conversationpc]

Fine, but did Steve Augeri ever do justice to the songs - not on the 2001, man not even close. Seperate Ways and Ask The Lonely sounded like Karaoke, I am not tone deaf, but the rest of the DVD was pretty good, but it was still very safe in the vocal department.

I've never cared much for Augeri's rendition of "Separate Ways" and "Ask the Lonely" is not one of my favorite Journey tunes. However, "Stone in Love" and "La Raza Del Sol" are much better on the DVD than the studio versions, in my opinion. As far as Steve's vocals go on the DVD, whether or not they are actually live or partially re-recorded in the studio, they certainly aren't as good as Perry in his prime. I don't think anyone would successfully argue that. However, I'm pretty certain Perry couldn't even duplicate Augeri's performance at his advanced age and considering how his voice sounded on any studio material he's done over the last 10 years or so.

[Vladan]

He wasn't able to do it during his FTLOSM tour (when he sang a ton of Journey tunes not in the original key) and I cannot imagine that he can somehow do it now.

Fine, but did Steve Augeri ever do justice to the songs - not on the 2001, man not even close. Seperate Ways and Ask The Lonely sounded like Karaoke, I am not tone deaf, but the rest of the DVD was pretty good, but it was still very safe in the vocal department.

Albums count in my opinion, and touring is good for the money but anyone can tour, but selling the albums is the hardpart. Bands like like Journey today need to tour, and play classics to keep money coming in, because obviously their record sales are not bringin in the money, unless its the old stuff. Journey are finished, they have been since 1983, but ROR was a final attept at fame, which was a well produced record, with 4 or 5 hits.

Thanks for your opinions, not that they change mine...

By the way, TBF was the last attempt at fame, which garnered the group their first and I believe only Grammy nod.

Yeah all good I don't take it personal, as in your OK in my books, well anyone here is - its all opinion, nothing more but there is some truth in it.

This band is great for they have done.. But there is just was too much controversy surrounding this band, too many areguments, its like they are destined for debate. Im not sure but, did a band like Rolling Stones ever have this many debates of lead singers or change, or whatever - im starting to get sick of Journey, they are a chop and change band.

As far as Steve's vocals go on the DVD, whether or not they are actually live or partially re-recorded in the studio, they certainly aren't as good as Perry in his prime. I don't think anyone would successfully argue that. However, I'm pretty certain Perry couldn't even duplicate Augeri's performance at his advanced age and considering how his voice sounded on any studio material he's done over the last 10 years or so.

Yeah I think you are correct about that. I think its pretty accurate!.

[conversationpc]

Im not sure but, did a band like Rolling Stones ever have this many debates of lead singers or change, or whatever - im starting to get sick of Journey, they are a chop and change band.

Um...I'm not sure how the Rolling Stones could be compared hear since they've never undergone a change in lead singers. If you count Neal Schon at all, or even Jonathan, Journey has had seven different lead singers altogether.

[Andrew]

hey Z - how about we halve the size of that avatar of your's....if not even smaller.

[daltonsdad]

Not for everyone. Knowing it would be the final album and tour would suck. Plus I don't want another TBF. Makes a great coaster, though.

The concept of a JSS-fronted Journey is more energizing than bringing back a worn-out Perry. Now, a solo CD from Perry might be nice.

Agreed. Though I wouldn't spend a penny on anything Perry.

Not to mention that they would have to give away the store to get the Maestro back. Then they'd have to hope he wouldn't get another "hip injury."

I cannot believe a JOurney fans states they would not spend a penny on Perry. My guess is the only CD's you have are all Perry Lyrics & Voice. HIs talent made this band what they are today. SA did a great job filling in but this new version is lackluster. Without Perry, we wouldn't even know who Journey is! I would be looking for the front row seats and even if SA was brought back!

[Blueskies]

Not for everyone. Knowing it would be the final album and tour would suck. Plus I don't want another TBF. Makes a great coaster, though.

The concept of a JSS-fronted Journey is more energizing than bringing back a worn-out Perry. Now, a solo CD from Perry might be nice.

Agreed. Though I wouldn't spend a penny on anything Perry.

Not to mention that they would have to give away the store to get the Maestro back. Then they'd have to hope he wouldn't get another "hip injury."

I cannot believe a JOurney fans states they would not spend a penny on Perry. My guess is the only CD's you have are all Perry Lyrics & Voice. HIs talent made this band what they are today. SA did a great job filling in but this new version is lackluster. Without Perry, we wouldn't even know who Journey is! I would be looking for the front row seats and even if SA was brought back!

Well said!

[Monker]

They seem to be selling a lot of tickets. Journey will stop touring when they stop selling tickets. People want to see them.

Correct...But, for many of those people who bought tickets put the money down the lead singer had a different name.

[Monker]

Hello everyone, this is my first post! Reality check: If Steve Perry came back you ALL would be competeing for front row center! You can say what you want, but you would be in denial when we all know it's true.

That is absolutely NOT true for me.

I also find it a bit ironic that a week or so ago the talk from Perry fans was "It's not about Perry..."

But, now, post after post is ALL about Perry. It's ALWAYS about Perry for some of you people.

[Saint John]

Hello everyone, this is my first post! Reality check: If Steve Perry came back you ALL would be competeing for front row center! You can say what you want, but you would be in denial when we all know it's true.

That is absolutely NOT true for me.

I also find it a bit ironic that a week or so ago the talk from Perry fans was "It's not about Perry..."

But, now, post after post is ALL about Perry. It's ALWAYS about Perry for some of you people.

Why wouldn't you go see Perry if he returned to Journey?

[jrnyman28]

I cannot believe a JOurney fans states they would not spend a penny on Perry.

Why is that so hard to believe? Fred has stated that he does not believe Perry has "it in him" anymore. Nothing about Perry appeals to Fred anymore. Makes sense to me.

I, on the other hand, have always said that I would listen and then decide. However, I also said that seeing Perry return would also signal the end of Journey to me.

My guess is the only CD's you have are all Perry Lyrics & Voice.

And I am certain you would be dead wrong. Fred as been a fan of the band all along. And he certainly as Augeri-era as well as Pre-Perry era CDs.

HIs talent made this band what they are today.

His talent helped this band become what they are today.

SA did a great job filling in but this new version is lackluster.

Lackluster? And yet you say Perry made the band the way they are today...

Without Perry, we wouldn't even know who Journey is!

I do not think that is true. But you are merely speculating.

I would be looking for the front row seats and even if SA was brought back!

[fred_journeyman]

Hello everyone, this is my first post! Reality check: If Steve Perry came back you ALL would be competeing for front row center! You can say what you want, but you would be in denial when we all know it's true.

That is absolutely NOT true for me.

I also find it a bit ironic that a week or so ago the talk from Perry fans was "It's not about Perry..."

But, now, post after post is ALL about Perry. It's ALWAYS about Perry for some of you people.

Monker, haven't you heard? It's all my fault...yeah, that in spite of the fact that I just found out today in the ONLY thread that I started that Andrew closed down the Journey AND Perry forums since all people did was argue and I wasn't even part of that.

There is truly nothing new under the sun for too many people who either rag on the band for one reason or another, or raise Steve Perry to deity level. I say let the band do what the band wants to do. Okay, some say they "suck" in this current tour; some say their catalog of music has become crap. Whether that's the case or not, the FACT that people are taking things way too seriously has always dogged Journey, irrespective of who the members were at the time. Wait a minute though...I don't recall people bagging on Journey when the decision was made to CAN both Smith and Valory. Well shoot, that's interesting. It was business then and it was "so be it." Now, if one of them sneezes, there are a ton of people giving them hell about it.

Man, you'd think coming back to this forum after six or eight months of being gone would allow me to read more thought-provoking and meaningful posts, but too many are stuck in the groove like a diamond needle playing an LP...What a soap opera.