DID DEANO BRING DOWN THE STEVE A. LED JOURNEY???

[A Fire Inside]

Can't remember for sure but it was in one of the other threads a couple of days ago. There was a link to a post of his on another site and I checked it out and saw his name there.

Because people never impersonate others online... I saw names of CJ and TheJourneyLuvah and Rich Meyers on the Rolling Stone site, you think they're really posting there?

I think Dean's "other shoe" is tracking the guys down and holding them at crazed gunpoint until they confess every sin of their lives to him. I would be afraid for my safety if I were Steve Augeri.

[conversationpc]

Can't remember for sure but it was in one of the other threads a couple of days ago. There was a link to a post of his on another site and I checked it out and saw his name there.

Because people never impersonate others online... I saw names of CJ and TheJourneyLuvah and Rich Meyers on the Rolling Stone site, you think they're really posting there?

I wouldn't be surprised and Rockn'deano did indicate before that he had some other juicy info on the band before he quit posting here somewhat unexpectedly.

[brywool]

Dang! The Hughes Corporation used Tracks!!!??? Talk about Rock the Boat!!

[A Fire Inside]

I wouldn't be surprised and Rockn'deano did indicate before that he had some other juicy info on the band before he quit posting here somewhat unexpectedly.

I really, really doubt CJ would post anything like:

"u all better stop talking about stteve a. bcuz he is not out of teh band ok
i will lock trhis thread. "

Anyone can be anyone at that site. It may well be Dean there, but I'm saying don't bet your life on it.

[fred_journeyman]

Okay, I've obviously been gone too long from here and BT, so if someone could fill me in, I would really appreciate it. When I first saw the title of this thread, I thought it referred to DEEN CASTRONOVO, but now I see it refers to someone named DEANO.

So, what gives? I'd like to know more...

[NealIsGod]

Okay, I've obviously been gone too long from here and BT, so if someone could fill me in, I would really appreciate it. When I first saw the title of this thread, I thought it referred to DEEN CASTRONOVO, but now I see it refers to someone named DEANO.

So, what gives? I'd like to know more...

Ugh. Someone fill him in privately, please.

[McNeil]

Okay, I've obviously been gone too long from here and BT, so if someone could fill me in, I would really appreciate it. When I first saw the title of this thread, I thought it referred to DEEN CASTRONOVO, but now I see it refers to someone named DEANO.

So, what gives? I'd like to know more...

HAHA... I must be high on something...after all thats gone down here... hey Fred?? your havin a larf arent ya???

[A Fire Inside]

Okay, I've obviously been gone too long from here and BT, so if someone could fill me in, I would really appreciate it. When I first saw the title of this thread, I thought it referred to DEEN CASTRONOVO, but now I see it refers to someone named DEANO.

So, what gives? I'd like to know more...

http://forums.melodicrock.com/phpBB/sea ... kn%27deano

[Wally_Hatchet]

"I dunno...are they "down?" Seem to be carrying on nicely with JSS. Did he bring Steve Augeri down may be the better title."

YES they are. They are NOT carrying on nicely with JSS from what I've heard. I think this entire thing lays on Journeys shoulders. I think (opinion) steve was in between a rock and a hard place.

Yeah, it must be hell for Journey to be playing to sold out audiences with JSS. Poor guys.

[Argus]

Yeah, and he is also the reason Bush's ratings are down.

actually, it's all GWB's fault no matter the subject

[Argus]

Can't remember for sure but it was in one of the other threads a couple of days ago. There was a link to a post of his on another site and I checked it out and saw his name there.

Because people never impersonate others online... I saw names of CJ and TheJourneyLuvah and Rich Meyers on the Rolling Stone site, you think they're really posting there?

I think Dean's "other shoe" is tracking the guys down and holding them at crazed gunpoint until they confess every sin of their lives to him. I would be afraid for my safety if I were Steve Augeri.

I was there and posted as Tom Cruise

[brywool]

wally hatchet- funny screen name btw, I said "They are NOT carrying on nicely with JSS from what I've heard". From what I've heard. I guess if you think it sounds great, then go and have a good time. You couldn't give me tickets to watch this band embarrass themselves. It's terrible. I'd rather wait and see the Pee Wee Herman version everyone's talking about.

[fred_journeyman]

You know, I guess I HAVE been away too long... All of these revelations are just too weird for me to digest at one sitting.

So, the jist of it is that this Deano poster helped blow the lid on the whole thing after he realized what a sham it had become with Augeri lyp-sync'g during live concerts?

What I guess I don't get is the revelations from that guy in Sweden (was it?) who took pics of the stuff going on behind the scenes with the guy in the blue cap behind Deen's drums and then behind the stage with the huge sound bank being mixed right there and sent back into the house.

I guess my question is this - Whose voice were they using while Augeri lip-sync'd - his from the studio or someone else's altogether? I imagine if they'd been using Perry's, he would have (rightfully) sued their asses off.

Well, if all this has been happening, then Perry was right about "not cracking the stone." I mean, if Neal and the guys were going to go on without Perry, then they should have made sure of the fact that they had someone on board who could actually sing and do some justice to the songs, night after night.

Like the guy in Sweden said though, I'm a Journey fan and I'm not angry or upset with the group. Just confused and in some respects, this whole thing is funny enough to make me laugh out loud. This could turn into Milli Vanilli Gate way too easily.

[whocares]

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I guess my question is this - Whose voice were they using while Augeri lip-sync'd - his from the studio or someone else's altogether? I imagine if they'd been using Perry's, he would have (rightfully) sued their asses off.
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Milli-Vanilli's Voice. who else would they use? He was singing to his own voice. Lipping may or may-not be the right term, but by all accounts he was singing, just terribly, while the "good" sound came through the sound system.

[Barb]

Hi Fred,

He was lipping to his own voice -- past, better performances in some cases. And the VH1 special most recently in Europe. I also think his voice must be pretty much shot permanently if what Swepett said was true -- that instead of resting his voice and singing quietly while the taped version was going out to the crowd, he was actually singing/screaming his lungs out. That is not good at all.

You know, I guess I HAVE been away too long... All of these revelations are just too weird for me to digest at one sitting.

So, the jist of it is that this Deano poster helped blow the lid on the whole thing after he realized what a sham it had become with Augeri lyp-sync'g during live concerts?

What I guess I don't get is the revelations from that guy in Sweden (was it?) who took pics of the stuff going on behind the scenes with the guy in the blue cap behind Deen's drums and then behind the stage with the huge sound bank being mixed right there and sent back into the house.

I guess my question is this - Whose voice were they using while Augeri lip-sync'd - his from the studio or someone else's altogether? I imagine if they'd been using Perry's, he would have (rightfully) sued their asses off.

Well, if all this has been happening, then Perry was right about "not cracking the stone." I mean, if Neal and the guys were going to go on without Perry, then they should have made sure of the fact that they had someone on board who could actually sing and do some justice to the songs, night after night.

Like the guy in Sweden said though, I'm a Journey fan and I'm not angry or upset with the group. Just confused and in some respects, this whole thing is funny enough to make me laugh out loud. This could turn into Milli Vanilli Gate way too easily.

[A Fire Inside]

I guess my question is this - Whose voice were they using while Augeri lip-sync'd - his from the studio or someone else's altogether?

allegedly he mimed to his own voice from the 2001 DVD, which Dean later claimed was all studio-recorded anyway. So according to him, Augeri could never sing a note unless he was in the studio.

[whocares]

allegedly he mimed to his own voice from the 2001 DVD, which Dean later claimed was all studio-recorded anyway. So according to him, Augeri could never sing a note unless he was in the studio.

This is just to get this out there, not to start something abotu Augeri, but there's plenty of people who do great in the studio and can't sing a lick live. They've got tons of equipment to help in a studio too, so even there, you don't have to be the world's best singer.

[brywool]

This is incorrect. There are plenty of boots out there that sound different than the 2001 video. Plenty. Near the end though, it could've been tracked. The guy could sing live, but at the end, he toasted his voice and tracks were allegedly used.

[Jeremey]

This is just to get this out there, not to start something abotu Augeri, but there's plenty of people who do great in the studio and can't sing a lick live. They've got tons of equipment to help in a studio too, so even there, you don't have to be the world's best singer.

Augeri did a fine job singing on his own, on stage and in the studio. The only reason the Vegas DVD audio was "enhanced" was because that's what everyone does - You multitrack the show live, then run it through ProTools and take out the flubs. Augeri wasn't hired on the basis of his studio abilities. By all accounts, the guy could belt out the songs just fine when he started out. In 1998, I didn't hear any perceptable problems, he just needed to get comfortable in his own skin. By the Under the Radar tour, I could hear that his voice was getting road-weary. The 2005 tour put his vocal problems into the forefront, where they would seriously have impeded Journey's ability to tour that year. The decision they made to continue and allow Steve and Kevin to pull the smoke and mirrors trick with his channel's mute button was what inevitably destroyed his voice. I've said it before & I'll say it again, the guy has lived to see his dreams turn into a fantastic nightmare in front of thousands of people, and I still can't imagine what life must have been like for him over the past year or so.

[Citygirl]

So would you say his voice is actually ruined or can it recover?

[Jeremey]

So would you say his voice is actually ruined or can it recover?

I don't know - No one does really....Steve's Drs can tell him what to do to help it heal. But I'll tell you this - The reason it went away was because of how it was treated. Anyone does that again, putting it through the same abuse again - and it'll disappear in a heartbeat, if it ever comes back.

[Red13JoePa]

I guess my question is this - Whose voice were they using while Augeri lip-sync'd - his from the studio or someone else's altogether?

allegedly he mimed to his own voice from the 2001 DVD, which Dean later claimed was all studio-recorded anyway. So according to him, Augeri could never sing a note unless he was in the studio.

Very VERY "allegedly." I don't buy it for 2 seconds.

Overdubs, of course, as presumably is the case with every live album or cd. Though Neal has sworn both GHL and Captured are totally live and absent any overdubbing. He even argued along the lines of "Why else do you think GHL sounds so bad? Half the cd either me or Jon are out of tune"

[Citygirl]

Maybe he's better off out of it then if it's gonna do that to him.

I know it sounds bad me saying that, but I think regardless of how much I loved doing something like that... if it was gonna ruin my voice forever/cause me problems... I'd rather just be out of it.

[whocares]

This is just to get this out there, not to start something abotu Augeri, but there's plenty of people who do great in the studio and can't sing a lick live. They've got tons of equipment to help in a studio too, so even there, you don't have to be the world's best singer.

Augeri did a fine job singing on his own, on stage and in the studio. The only reason the Vegas DVD audio was "enhanced" was because that's what everyone does - You multitrack the show live, then run it through ProTools and take out the flubs. Augeri wasn't hired on the basis of his studio abilities. By all accounts, the guy could belt out the songs just fine when he started out. In 1998, I didn't hear any perceptable problems, he just needed to get comfortable in his own skin. By the Under the Radar tour, I could hear that his voice was getting road-weary. The 2005 tour put his vocal problems into the forefront, where they would seriously have impeded Journey's ability to tour that year. The decision they made to continue and allow Steve and Kevin to pull the smoke and mirrors trick with his channel's mute button was what inevitably destroyed his voice. I've said it before & I'll say it again, the guy has lived to see his dreams turn into a fantastic nightmare in front of thousands of people, and I still can't imagine what life must have been like for him over the past year or so.

Right Jeremy, which is why I said LOTS of singers, and tried to distance it from Augeri only.

I'm glad he lived his dream, but sadly for him I believe it's over. I woudln't wish any singer to lose his or her voice, well maybe a few, but for at least 6-6 1/2 years he apparently was able to sing well enough to do everything "on his own", without the help of some sort of aid. If they hadn't toured so damned much and having Augeri trying to sound too much like Perry many nights, then maybe he'd still be there. We'll probably never know for sure.

[froy]

The Steve A. led version is down and out. Did Deano cause this???????

Yogi yes is the answer
I hope he can do the same with STYX ,

[Jeremey]

Very VERY "allegedly." I don't buy it for 2 seconds.

Overdubs, of course, as presumably is the case with every live album or cd. Though Neal has sworn both GHL and Captured are totally live and absent any overdubbing. He even argued along the lines of "Why else do you GHL sounds so bad? Half the cd either me or Jon are out of tune"

The reason he discounts GHL is because Neal didn't have anything to do with it's release, I believe it was a Kalodner/Sony/Kevin Shirley type thing....Kevin Shirley insisted that the entire Captured record was done in a studio. Good quality audience bootlegs are the only true live recordings - Anything released by a record company will be polished up. And the problem with bootlegs - as evidenced by the past couple of shows with JSS - is that they capture moments for eternity that were only meant to be one small part of an experience. A dropped note, a flubbed chord - Live, those things aren't hardly noticeable. The audience is in on the experience. In the harsh light of day, those moments are dragged out and examined under a microscope....Now it doesn't excuse or hide an overall performance, like Augeri's last days with the band, or like Jeff's struggles this past week - But it does put on display certain things that wouldn't even be noticeable otherwise.

And yeah, I know, I really put things under a microscope with some bootlegs, but that was just to prove a point.

[Red13JoePa]

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The reason he discounts GHL is because Neal didn't have anything to do with it's release, I believe it was a Kalodner/Sony/Kevin Shirley type thing....Kevin Shirley insisted that the entire Captured record was done in a studio. Good quality audience bootlegs are the only true live recordings -

Yea, Neal was HOT about the Captured comments by Shirley.

[Moon Beam]

Yeah, and he is also the reason Bush's ratings are down.

[NealIsGod]

The Steve A. led version is down and out. Did Deano cause this???????

Yogi yes is the answer
I hope he can do the same with STYX ,

I hate people that waste time and energy trying to rip others down.

[bionic]

My subject is my question.

Was this website, its readers and one VERY VERY SMART? poster what caused a changing of lead vocalists to a VERY VERY VERY popular world recognized and respected band?

It's not like he brought down ' The Hughes Corporation, or Men Without Hats' we are talking about JOURNEY.

That is ONE DAMN BIG make that HUGE fish!!!!

Probably yes but a lot of people knew in the industry by all accounts so it would have got out eventually,you only need someone like Dee Snider who does not rate Journey with out Perry to have layed into them and that would have been it