Journey's "New" Direction

[EightyRock]

Ok, here's my take:

1. Augeri - agreed. Not coming back, ever. Dude can't sing Perry songs anymore, never really could. They can't bring him back post tape-gate or the bad press rears its ugly head and turns the rest of the cracked stone to dust. He is no longer an option.

2. Soto - No doubt they could make some noise in Europe. If they are looking for BOTH cash and a creative outlet, Europe is the ticket. They can play old stuff or new stuff. They love Soto there and they love Journey, so that would work. The USA? A different animal. Only option with Soto is give him a few of the rockers in a range that's comfortable. Let Deen sing a few that he can do. Spice it up with 2 or 3 Soto/Schon compilations that will keep them out of the dirty dozen rut and fly it for one tour. Doesn't cut it? Pack it in and give Perry that one last call.

3. Perry - DEFINITELY the wild card, Deano. He HAS been in the studio in the last 6 months and yes, he is writing. This is from his interview 2-3 months ago in Power Play mag in the UK. I just read this. Says he has things "motivating him to sing again" and he's trying to follow that lead. Says he has been enjoying singing again in the last 6 months and has been writing with some really creative people lately. I'm betting he'd tell Neal & Jon to kiss his ass on the Hollywood star and he'd give them 15 minutes to draw a crowd first.
I also don't think Brinks makes trucks big enough to solve this problem.

4. Azoff - Dude needs to give the REST of his attention to whatever band he is focusing on, cause it surely ain't Journey, although I can understand he can only do so much if they were hell bent on keeping Augeri for this long. When I think of why Perry hired Azoff in the first place, the only thing that comes to mind is Perry would have controlled the band anyway, so it really didn't matter if Azoff had a title or not. He knew he would control Azoff, so it didn't matter. Neal & Jon, however, don't have that kind of uh....you fill in the blank. I'm not sure any new management is gonna get them out of this mess they've gotten themselves into. I looks to me like it's Soto and Deen, or bust.

[DarwinNebraska]

Deano...

Just because you THINK you know something, doesn't make it true.

Get back on your meds, now.

Ok.

As for you running your incessant trap, why not try to contribute to the fucking post? You never have. All you do is bitch.

There's no use debating the mentally disturbed.

[Rockindeano]

Deano...

Just because you THINK you know something, doesn't make it true.

Get back on your meds, now.

Ok.

As for you running your incessant trap, why not try to contribute to the fucking post? You never have. All you do is bitch.

There's no use debating the mentally disturbed.

Keep trying to bait me. Ain't workin.

[yak]

Even if Perry still sounded as great as he did in the 1980's he would never make it thru an entire tour with Journey because he would pull his old crap again.

Along with all the other excellent points made as to why Perry should never return to Journey, this one sums it all up in a nutshell.

[fred_journeyman]

[quote="The_Noble_CausePerhaps you missed this recent Herbie interview (came out only a few months ago).[/quote]

Yes, totally missed it. Where is it?

[whocares]

Yes, totally missed it. Where is it?

http://www.classicrockrevisited.com/Interviews06/herbieherbert06.htm

[Abitaman]

2- Jeff. I know he is tight with Neal, and he might have thought he could sing this catalogue, but he has got to be doubting this shit now. I am sure he thought, "this was his chance" to make some good bread, with a household name. After all, didn't he cancel tours with Talisman to do this? Obviously, Jeff is cashing in here as well, and who could blame him?

I bet he knows he can sing the cataloge and so does the rest of the band.

Two boots - that's the chance he gets??

That is about all Augeri got -ERIC

[Rockindeano]

2- Jeff. I know he is tight with Neal, and he might have thought he could sing this catalogue, but he has got to be doubting this shit now. I am sure he thought, "this was his chance" to make some good bread, with a household name. After all, didn't he cancel tours with Talisman to do this? Obviously, Jeff is cashing in here as well, and who could blame him?

I bet he knows he can sing the cataloge and so does the rest of the band.

Two boots - that's the chance he gets??

That is about all Augeri got -ERIC

Moron, Augeri had 8 years, and the last one he didnt even sing. Christ!

[fred_journeyman]

I bet he knows he can sing the cataloge and so does the rest of the band.

Two boots - that's the chance he gets??

Well, as I've said, it doesn't matter to me what the band does, but after hearing the two boots - while they may not be the best quality - you can hear that these songs are not comfortably in Jeff's range (unless he was really holding back!). If I was Jeff, and these songs were NOT in my range, I would be concerned about ruining my voice for anything else I wanted to do after Journey.

If Augeri's voice is totally shot, how long will it be before he gets to a point of being able to sing again...IF?

As I mentioned at the beginning of this thread, I'm simply speculating and tossing ideas and opinions around, that's all. I seriously doubt that the band is going to read what I say and go "Crap, why didn't WE think of that?!" For me, this is just discussion.

[ProgRocker53]

I haven't heard JSS sing with the band yet, but I'm going to their Cincinnati show in a week. I'm looking forward to it, I'm sure he will do a fantastic job.

I, for one, would LOVE to see Journey carry on with JSS at the helm. I've been a Journey loyalist since day one and am fascinated with their entire catalogue, from the Gregg Rolie-led days through now. It would be interesting to see them continue on in their path to becoming a strictly hard-edged band that they've flirted with in the past.

[Rockindeano]

I seriously doubt that the band is going to read what I say and go "Crap, why didn't WE think of that?!"

Uh, you'd be surprised at what they read, and how it affects them.

[brandonx76]

I bet he knows he can sing the cataloge and so does the rest of the band.

Two boots - that's the chance he gets??

If Augeri's voice is totally shot, how long will it be before he gets to a point of being able to sing again...IF?

I'm sure it's been said before...but Generations was a great 'studio' performance. I'm sure Augeri can sing today, when rested. His singing stamina (if there is such a concept) has been diminished...no doubt. In any event, he's probably bummed, or...maybe thankful for the "Journey" he's had...I for one would not bet my left nut on another Augeri fronted Journey album..

[Rockindeano]

.I for one would not bet my left nut on another Augeri fronted Journey album..

Why doesn't anyone ever bet their "right" nut? Just curious.

[whocares]

because left ones are more valuable. DUH!

[L~L~L]

[Blueskies]

.I for one would not bet my left nut on another Augeri fronted Journey album..

Why doesn't anyone ever bet their "right" nut? Just curious.

You might be rude and crude, but your funny

[*Laura]

Interesting views.
But you are all forgetting one very important aspect: age.Yes,age.None of the Journey members are in their prime anymore.There comes a time when every rocker slows down and I am willing to bet anyone’s right(left) nut here that the guys are pretty tired both physically and mentally.Sure,they can go on touring for a few years more,but if they’ll do that it will be to get enough money for a luxury retirement.

What I am trying to say is they are too old to start new “strategies”,new “beginnings” and such.The stress of going through all that would be too much.I don’t see them auditioning singers,searching for managers,I don’t even see them taking time to seriously invest energy on writing new songs and working their butts off in a studio for months like they did in their heydays.It’s all about age and priorities.The priority now is money.Touring means people paying for tickets.Fast and easy.

Hiring JSS was the best option to save a good money making tour.
He is young,has stamina and knows the Journey catalog by heart.

The rest of the band wants some piece of mind.At their age they need smooth touring,good meals,no stress…then time with their families,vacations,maybe a new car…things like that.

IMO,after this tour is over,they can do the following:

1)Stick with JSS for the next tour (next year)
2)IF Augery comes back (personally, I doubt that) they will pick up where they left
3)Put together a reunion tour with Steve Perry.
4)Retire


You can all forget #3, tho.That won’t happen for obvious reasons.(read:Steve Perry is not willing to do the Journey thing anylonger)

[Citygirl]

I agree with EightyRock. If Steve came back, the whole lip synching issue would blow up again and it would be hanging over them the whole time.

That's why I don't think he'll be back.

[Marabelle]

Steve A. is a joke. He's a humble guy who cannot sing anymore. He made a mockery of himself on stage wiggling around in his red leather pants; he stole people's money who
believed they were coming to hear a live performance; he pretended he could sing and still people want him back; why? to get the rest of your hard earned cash. he might be a very nice man but when it comes to singing; he should have done the right thing and that was to move away from the mike. I don't know who is more foolish; him or the fans who bought tickets and still want him back.

[Citygirl]

As much as I like his singing, maybe it would have been better for him if he'd gone by his gut feeling and never gone into Journey in the 1st place.

[conversationpc]

.I for one would not bet my left nut on another Augeri fronted Journey album..

Why doesn't anyone ever bet their "right" nut? Just curious.

Yeah, isn't the left one usually the bigger of the two?

[Barb]

Yes. Steve A. is responsible for his own actions, but Journey is just as guilty and has JUST AS MUCH to be ashamed of as Steve does. They went along with it, and probably encouraged it so that the show could go on and the $$$ would keep rolling in. Don't put it all on Steve. He's not the boss of Journey.

Steve A. is a joke. He's a humble guy who cannot sing anymore. He made a mockery of himself on stage wiggling around in his red leather pants; he stole people's money who
believed they were coming to hear a live performance; he pretended he could sing and still people want him back; why? to get the rest of your hard earned cash. he might be a very nice man but when it comes to singing; he should have done the right thing and that was to move away from the mike. I don't know who is more foolish; him or the fans who bought tickets and still want him back.

[EightyRock]

NOMORELIES says; "Don't put it all on Steve. He's not the boss of Journey."

You're right. They are ALL guilty of it. Augeri may not be the boss of Journey, but he is the boss of HIMSELF and that lays blame squarely on his shoulders for his part in picking up that mic and allowing it to happen. He could have said no, I have too much integrity for that and I won't risk my reputation OR the band's. Instead it was roll tape and cash in.

[Barb]

I absolutely agree. I'm just sayin' you can't beat the crap out of Augeri for being a fraud and not put Journey in the mix. They are all guilty. If Steve were the man I thought he was, he would have said HELL NO!

NOMORELIES says; "Don't put it all on Steve. He's not the boss of Journey."

You're right. They are ALL guilty of it. Augeri may not be the boss of Journey, but he is the boss of HIMSELF and that lays blame squarely on his shoulders for his part in picking up that mic and allowing it to happen. He could have said no, I have too much integrity for that and I won't risk my reputation OR the band's. Instead it was roll tape and cash in.

[NealIsGod]

Lot of high and mighty people on this board.

[Barb]

What do you mean by that?

Lot of high and mighty people on this board.

[NealIsGod]

What do you mean by that?

Lot of high and mighty people on this board.

People who feel it is their duty to constantly impugn the integrity of the band, when all they are really trying to do is boost their own self worth.

[Barb]

Duty? No. A right to feel betrayed and pissed off? You bet.

Are you saying you are okay with what they've done?

What do you mean by that?

Lot of high and mighty people on this board.

People who feel it is their duty to constantly impugn the integrity of the band, when all they are really trying to do is boost their own self worth.

[NealIsGod]

Duty? No. A right to feel betrayed and pissed off? You bet.

Are you saying you are okay with what they've done?

No, but it was blown way out of proportion. Not going down the road of explaining my stance for the hundredth time. Let's just say I have my priorities straight. Didn't affect my life.

[Barb]

Gotcha.

Duty? No. A right to feel betrayed and pissed off? You bet.

Are you saying you are okay with what they've done?

No, but it was blown way out of proportion. Not going down the road of explaining my stance for the hundredth time. Let's just say I have my priorities straight. Didn't affect my life.