BELIEVE

[The_Noble_Cause]

....but if Steve A is on the credits.. then its a journey song....
Rick

Steve A. said those songs were written for a solo album and you know what?
They sound like solo-stuff.
They were probably put on "Generations" because the best Journey material had already been given away to Jack Blades, Mickey Thomas, and Soul Sirkus.

[AR]

That "song" just goes nowhere. It sounds like an unfinished idea.

[The_Noble_Cause]

That "song" just goes nowhere. It sounds like an unfinished idea.

Yep, especially love the arbitrary jingle bells or wind chimes that are thrown in at the end.
Too bad, with Cain's help it probably could've become a decent tune.

[whocares]

let´s see, it was composed on a Mac with a $29 or even free version of Garageband from Apple. If the guy would have brought it to Journey and said, help me out, it would have been SO much better. I agree that it´s very repetitive.

I´ve heard better songs at The Gap.

[Vladan]

For a Journey song, the standard is not there. Take it off a future Generations album sure, if it were possible. I can't really understand this song, it just sux to be flat out honest.

2/10 a because its Journey, otherwise this song gets a 0

[The_Noble_Cause]

For a Journey song, the standard is not there.

Well, like I've said before, a song doesn't have to adhere to a set-pattern in order to be good.
However, "Believe's" deviations from convention don't render it any more progressive or revolutionary -simply meandering and repetetive.

For example, "Faith in the Heartland", "State of Grace" and "The Time" all broke away from the confines of radio play by having extended running times and for the most part, the risk paid off. The songs rock.

Take it off a future Generations album sure, if it were possible. I can't really understand this song, it just sux to be flat out honest.

2/10 a because its Journey, otherwise this song gets a 0

Yeah, I hear yah.
After "Tall Stories" and "Shine" I truly expected lyrical gold from Augeri and all I was handed repeatedly were clumps of turd.

[Vladan]

For example, "Faith in the Heartland", "State of Grace" and "The Time" all broke away from the confines of radio play by having extended running times and for the most part, the risk paid off. The songs rock.

Yep, for sure. "Faith In The Heartland" is a catchy tune, is a fine example of modern Journey. Did Steve Augeri write "Believe", im not too sure.

Well! if it were my choice I would of made Generations the following. Throw in a special bonus track, although "Remember Me" was distributed by Sony I think.

Faith In The Heartland
Place In Your Heart, The
Better Life, A
Every Generation
State Of Grace
Walking Away From The Edge
Knowing That You Love Me
Out Of Harms Way
In Self Defense
Better Together
The Time
Beyond The Clouds
Never Too Late
Remember Me (Bonus Track)

[NealIsGod]

Hmmmm... 19 positive votes for Believe, and 11 negative. Looks like you're in the minority, TNC.

[Vladan]

Hmmmm... 19 positive votes for Believe, and 11 negative. Looks like you're in the minority, TNC.

Back Talk posters should't count!

[jrnyman28]

Hmmmm... 19 positive votes for Believe, and 11 negative. Looks like you're in the minority, TNC.

Back Talk posters should't count!

You are a BTer too...

[Vladan]

Hmmmm... 19 positive votes for Believe, and 11 negative. Looks like you're in the minority, TNC.

Back Talk posters should't count!

You are a BTer too...

True, well I was dude. Till yesterday, I think I was banned. I can't log in there. Amazing, how John From Boston and Carrington can be open, but I can't... geeez what have a done this time.

[Clasicrockldy]

Hmmmm... 19 positive votes for Believe, and 11 negative. Looks like you're in the minority, TNC.

Back Talk posters should't count!

You are a BTer too...

True, well I was dude. Till yesterday, I think I was banned. I can't log in there. Amazing, how John From Boston and Carrington can be open, but I can't... geeez what have a done this time.

You disagreed with BT mantra? It doesn't take much for someone with a difference of opinion to be banned I bet.

[A Fire Inside]

True, well I was dude. Till yesterday, I think I was banned. I can't log in there. Amazing, how John From Boston and Carrington can be open, but I can't... geeez what have a done this time.

What did you post? Remember knox thought he was banned but it turned out to be a problem with his email... you at least deserve an explanation so email CJ about it and let us know.

I wish they would ban Carrington. That one is a nuisance...

[The_Noble_Cause]

Hmmmm... 19 positive votes for Believe, and 11 negative. Looks like you're in the minority, TNC.

And that, for some odd reason, negates the validity of my opinion?
Justin Timberlake is currently blazing up the top 40 charts and meanwhile "Generations" can't even get a single spin on the airwaves.
Uh oh.
Looks like you're also in the minority, NIG.

What an utterly worthless post.

[NealIsGod]

Hmmmm... 19 positive votes for Believe, and 11 negative. Looks like you're in the minority, TNC.

And that, for some odd reason, negates the validity of my opinion?
Justin Timberlake is currently blazing up the top 40 charts and meanwhile "Generations" can't even get a single spin on the airwaves.
Uh oh.
Looks like you're also in the minority, NIG.

What an utterly worthless post.

Show me where I said it negates the validity of your opinion? I just pointed out that, according to this very non-scientific poll, you are in the minority. Your opinion is no more or less valid than anyone else's. Just b/c you say a song sucks, doesn't mean EVERYONE has to think it sucks.

[conversationpc]

What an utterly worthless post.

Show me where I said it negates the validity of your opinion? I just pointed out that, according to this very non-scientific poll, you are in the minority. Your opinion is no more or less valid than anyone else's. Just b/c you say a song sucks, doesn't mean EVERYONE has to think it sucks.

It's really a dumbass thing to say that someone's valid opinion is a "worthless post".

[NealIsGod]

What an utterly worthless post.

Show me where I said it negates the validity of your opinion? I just pointed out that, according to this very non-scientific poll, you are in the minority. Your opinion is no more or less valid than anyone else's. Just b/c you say a song sucks, doesn't mean EVERYONE has to think it sucks.

It's really a dumbass thing to say that someone's valid opinion is a "worthless post".

Typical TNC. Say anything even slightly negative and he releases the hounds. The poster boy for "can dish it out but can't take it."

[conversationpc]

What an utterly worthless post.

Show me where I said it negates the validity of your opinion? I just pointed out that, according to this very non-scientific poll, you are in the minority. Your opinion is no more or less valid than anyone else's. Just b/c you say a song sucks, doesn't mean EVERYONE has to think it sucks.

It's really a dumbass thing to say that someone's valid opinion is a "worthless post".

Typical TNC. Say anything even slightly negative and he releases the hounds. The poster boy for "can dish it out but can't take it."

The Norris line in your sig is hilarious!

[NealIsGod]

The Norris line in your sig is hilarious!

Thanks, time for a new one...

[The_Noble_Cause]

It's really a dumbass thing to say that someone's valid opinion is a "worthless post".

I never said NIG's "opinion" was worthless.
I said his attempt to cite numerical figures as a representation of quality was worthless.
Learn how to read.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Say anything even slightly negative and he releases the hounds.

And what's so wrong with that? - Ever hear the best defense is a strong offense?
According to you, I guess we should all compliantly bend over a barrel and take it straight up the pooper.
Now resume waxing your legs, dickless wonder.

[conversationpc]

I never said NIG's "opinion" was worthless.
I said his attempt to cite numerical figures as a representation of quality was worthless.
Learn how to read.

Um...No. You said his post was worthless. If you meant his numbers specifically, you should've clarified better.

Now resume waxing your legs, dickless wonder.

Why are you so fixated on the private parts of other guys here? Kinda makes you wonder..."Is TNC really a repressed homosexual?"

[The_Noble_Cause]

Um...No. You said his post was worthless. If you meant his numbers specifically, you should've clarified better.

My, what a backwoods mouth breather u are.
NIG's post was entirely comprised of nothing but THE NUMBERS!
He mentioned that my view was in the minority when juxtaposed against the view of the majority.
In fact, no opinion of his was even offerred.

Kinda makes you wonder..."Is TNC really a repressed homosexual?"

What do you care?
So u can rob me of my marriage rights and then tie me to a fence to die, mister red state intolerant bigot?

[conversationpc]

My, what a backwoods mouth breather u are.

Boy, you cannot take any dissent, can you? "Boo hoo! They're raining on my crusade..."

What do you care?
So u can rob me of my marriage rights and then tie me to a fence to die, mister red state intolerant bigot?

Let's see...You're calling ME the intolerant bigot, yet you're the one constantly throwing around anti-homosexual slurs against any other forum members who dare defy your line of thinking. Nice attempt at turning the tables there but it won't work.

[NealIsGod]

NIG's post was entirely comprised of nothing but THE NUMBERS!
He mentioned that my view was in the minority when juxtaposed against the view of the majority.
In fact, no opinion of his was even offerred.

Yeah. I just stated a fact. The majority of voters to this poll do not agree with your opinion of the song Believe. Get over it.

[Vladan]

True, well I was dude. Till yesterday, I think I was banned. I can't log in there. Amazing, how John From Boston and Carrington can be open, but I can't... geeez what have a done this time.

What did you post? Remember knox thought he was banned but it turned out to be a problem with his email... you at least deserve an explanation so email CJ about it and let us know.

I wish they would ban Carrington. That one is a nuisance...

Yeah I will find out shortly!. Thanks

[ArnelRox]

It's really a dumbass thing to say that someone's valid opinion is a "worthless post".

U think so, on this forum? I thought it was "the way".

[conversationpc]

It's really a dumbass thing to say that someone's valid opinion is a "worthless post".

U think so, on this forum? I thought it was "the way".

Yeah, you're right.......I apologize.

[Vladan]

True, well I was dude. Till yesterday, I think I was banned. I can't log in there. Amazing, how John From Boston and Carrington can be open, but I can't... geeez what have a done this time.

What did you post? Remember knox thought he was banned but it turned out to be a problem with his email... you at least deserve an explanation so email CJ about it and let us know.

I wish they would ban Carrington. That one is a nuisance...

Its all good, I can post at BackTalk - I wasn't banned. Nothing to see here.

[Glenn]

Just so you know Neal could have anything he wanted from me on "Livin To Do" from 3 minutes and 8 seconds into the song.
anything

GREAT SONG


I was lucky enough to hear that one live on the Arrival tour.