If there is God, Dean will sing

[Carlitto H@kk]

You guys are just being dense. If Steve Perry came back to Journey, they could put a monkey at the skins and pay him in bananas and shows would sell out. No matter how good a drummer you are, people don't care that much.


Are you sure this isn't fucking BT?

Where the hell is Deano? Some of you are freaking me out.

W hile you are probably right, and that is sad, why in BLUE F@%K would you even WANT Steve Perry to come back to Journey??? Would you be satisfied just to take a trip down memory lane for a tour or 2? Do you want to suffer thru another lame-ass album like TBF???

I love Steve perry, his voice made me a fan back in 1980 but...
aside from ticket sales, I think the band is much better off without him. Neal and Jon can write what they want, rock out if they want and even (dare I say) record songs that aren't sappy,radio-friendly, Motown wannabe bullshit like most of ROR and TBF.

[Jeremey fan forever]

You guys are just being dense. If Steve Perry came back to Journey, they could put a monkey at the skins and pay him in bananas and shows would sell out. No matter how good a drummer you are, people don't care that much.

Something tells me Steve Perry would not be inclined to play with a monkey. Perry was a drummer himself. Don't be so quick to discredit the beat. I take it you are not pleased with a JSS fronted Journey. Did you like Steve Augeri?

Dude, I like Soto AND Augeri. But lets face it. Augeri was pretty good, but look at the difference between him and Deen on Generations. Deen has that rare magical vocal quality that belongs in Journey, and I don't think he sounds like Perry. Jeff Scott Soto is probably better than Augeri vocally, but Soto is just a different animal. He is wrong for the Journey sound.

If he stays in the band, I think the music will be great! Hell, Talisman is great! So is Soulsirkus! But is it Journey? See my point?

[NealIsGod]

I can't say I disagree with anything rapsux is saying... but I am just not ready to dismiss JSS as quickly as he is. Maybe they can still have Deen sing a couple songs on the next album and keep doing a few live...?

[conversationpc]

You guys are just being dense. If Steve Perry came back to Journey, they could put a monkey at the skins and pay him in bananas and shows would sell out. No matter how good a drummer you are, people don't care that much.

I'm not saying it wouldn't be cool if Deen could front the band. I'm saying that it won't happen. Deen's a great singer and probably sings the songs better Augeri ever did or JSS is currently doing. However, JSS is THE chameleon on vocals and if anyone can adapt, it is him.

Freaking you out? If you would pay attention to what Deen himself has been saying, you wouldn't be saying ridiculous things like he needs to be a "team player", like he's being selfish by ONLY drumming.

[Lula]

You guys are just being dense. If Steve Perry came back to Journey, they could put a monkey at the skins and pay him in bananas and shows would sell out. No matter how good a drummer you are, people don't care that much.

Something tells me Steve Perry would not be inclined to play with a monkey. Perry was a drummer himself. Don't be so quick to discredit the beat. I take it you are not pleased with a JSS fronted Journey. Did you like Steve Augeri?

Dude, I like Soto AND Augeri. But lets face it. Augeri was pretty good, but look at the difference between him and Deen on Generations. Deen has that rare magical vocal quality that belongs in Journey, and I don't think he sounds like Perry. Jeff Scott Soto is probably better than Augeri vocally, but Soto is just a different animal. He is wrong for the Journey sound.

If he stays in the band, I think the music will be great! Hell, Talisman is great! So is Soulsirkus! But is it Journey? See my point?

Deen has a great voice- no argument there. My issue is with fans demanding he front Journey. Deen himself has stated he does not desire to be a lead singer, he considers himself a drummer. Whether or not you think JSS is good for Journey or not is no big deal to me. The band will do what the band chooses to do regardless of what we all say. I am glad to see Jeff on stage with Journey. I'm so happy he has been given this opportunity and happy the tour is going on with a frontman belting out the songs live in all of their glory. At this point I'd probably be happier going to see Soul SirkUS, but that is just me

[The_Noble_Cause]

Augeri was pretty good, but look at the difference between him and Deen on Generations.

Yeah, one guy was doing an admitted Steve Perry impersonation and the other guy (Steve) was doing his best to sing like himself.

[mnmsjrny]

You guys are just being dense. If Steve Perry came back to Journey, they could put a monkey at the skins and pay him in bananas and shows would sell out. No matter how good a drummer you are, people don't care that much.

Something tells me Steve Perry would not be inclined to play with a monkey. Perry was a drummer himself. Don't be so quick to discredit the beat. I take it you are not pleased with a JSS fronted Journey. Did you like Steve Augeri?

Oh, I dunno... there was the ROR tour afterall...

And while Deen may have the vocal chops to front the band, he's not interested in doing that. He much prefers sitting behind his kit.

[Just Mindy]

You guys are just being dense. If Steve Perry came back to Journey, they could put a monkey at the skins and pay him in bananas and shows would sell out. No matter how good a drummer you are, people don't care that much.

I'm not saying it wouldn't be cool if Deen could front the band. I'm saying that it won't happen. Deen's a great singer and probably sings the songs better Augeri ever did or JSS is currently doing. However, JSS is THE chameleon on vocals and if anyone can adapt, it is him.

Freaking you out? If you would pay attention to what Deen himself has been saying, you wouldn't be saying ridiculous things like he needs to be a "team player", like he's being selfish by ONLY drumming.

Funny you should say he's the chameleon, I remember the same word being used in reference to Gregg Rollie in a review or interview! I can't remember where tho.

I dunno, I don't see anything wrong with them sharing the mike...let Deen do some songs, keep the fans happy, keep Deen happy...if he doesn't want to sing full time, no biggie....don't want an unhappy singer. Change is tough sometimes, but things work out eventually.

As much as I love SP, I think he's better off doing solo stuff...I'd be afraid of things blowing up again if he went back with Journey. Too much tension there, I think...wouldn't be good for the creativity of future albums. I think that Steve would need to call his own shots, and I don't see the other guys digigng that too much.

JMHO

[Jeremey fan forever]

No offense to Neal, but even though he is the best guitarist on the planet, some of his best work was when he was miserable. Some of his worst work has been when he's too happy. I know working with Perry was a pain in the ass. But if nobody had ever put up with it then, we would be having any of these discussions now! What's wrong with work being like work? So what if somebody doesn't like or want to do something, want to pay your bills and makes lots of fucking money? Its called W O R K. Journey was better when it was all work and less fun. Although I would say the band plays better now live than they ever did.

[Lula]

Michelle! Ouch!!

[Saint John]

You guys are just being dense. If Steve Perry came back to Journey, they could put a monkey at the skins and pay him in bananas and shows would sell out. No matter how good a drummer you are, people don't care that much.


Are you sure this isn't fucking BT?

Where the hell is Deano? Some of you are freaking me out.

W hile you are probably right, and that is sad, why in BLUE F@%K would you even WANT Steve Perry to come back to Journey??? Would you be satisfied just to take a trip down memory lane for a tour or 2? Do you want to suffer thru another lame-ass album like TBF???

I love Steve perry, his voice made me a fan back in 1980 but...
aside from ticket sales, I think the band is much better off without him. Neal and Jon can write what they want, rock out if they want and even (dare I say) record songs that aren't sappy,radio-friendly, Motown wannabe bullshit like most of ROR and TBF.

Just my 2 cents here, but I'll tell you why I would want Steve Perry back with Journey...even if it were only for an album and a tour.

First, I'm tired of karaoke concerts and singers ruining their voices. I want the real thing. Augeri is done, probably forever. Deen tore a vocal chord last year and it took a long time to heal. So the idea of him being the lead singer is stupid...plain and simple. Moreover, he doesn't want to do it. My guess being that he knows he can't. And while he sounds a bit like Perry his voice is not nearly powerful enough to sing lead. He knows that and so does the band. Singing 2 or 3 songs is much different than 15-20.
Second, I want some good new music. The two and a half albums they did with Augeri were shit and they have the album sales to prove that. Bottom line is they didn't sell. I don't want to hear about promtion, or should I say lack of, etc. Perry brings a label. This band is too identified with Perry. Fair or unfair, they'll never get out of his shadow. While TBF wasn't Journey's best, it had some great songs. When You Love A Woman, Message Of Love, If He Should Break Your Heart and one or two more made it a pretty damn good album.
Lastly, when Journey goes out I want it to be with their best lineup. And There is NO DOUBT that their best lineup was Perry, Schon, Cain, Valory and Smith. When Perry left 80% of Journey's fan base left too. It's a testament to their base that 20% is still a great deal. I remember a concert promoter in Philly saying he could EASILY sell 50,000 tickets for the TBF reunion tour. Whether or not that is still possible I don't know. But it wouldn't be too far off. Opening for Def Leppard isn't my idea of what Journey should be doing. Neither is the lead singer carousel or lipping shows. They've become greedy in my opinion and having Perry would allow them to do lesss shows while making more money. Selling out arenas would not be a problem. Neither would getting a label and the promotion that comes with it.

[A Fire Inside]

I GUARANTEE it won't work, though Steve Perry is certainly free to prove me wrong.

First, I'm tired of karaoke concerts and singers ruining their voices. I want the real thing.

If guys 15 years younger than Perry are ruining their voices, there is little doubt he wouldn't at his age. He already must sing far lower than he did originally. Yeah, Steve, go ahead and screw up your voice because it's the "real thing".

In addition, he's all about the "legacy" so it would truly suprise me if he wanted to get involved with Journey now... especially with all that's happened since he left.

Second, I want some good new music. The two and a half albums they did with Augeri were shit and they have the album sales to prove that. Bottom line is they didn't sell. I don't want to hear about promtion, or should I say lack of, etc. Perry brings a label. This band is too identified with Perry. Fair or unfair, they'll never get out of his shadow. While TBF wasn't Journey's best, it had some great songs. When You Love A Woman, Message Of Love, If He Should Break Your Heart and one or two more made it a pretty damn good album.

If TBF wasn't Journey's best, who's to say anything new with him would be much better? We've seen how their music declined in 10 years already.

In addition, they wouldn't tour. Perry wouldn't do it. He has cut off THREE tours in his career. Strike three, he's out of that band. Good, because as much as they made good music, he just was hardly worth it to them. If Perry had it his way they'd STILL be waiting for him. I for one find no reason not to believe Herbie when he says Steve Perry had no intention of touring for TBF. I don't think he made up the hip thing, but it was likely a convenient excuse. He will come in the studio, sing some songs, and then once a tour is looming, start getting paranoid about whatever it is he gets paranoid about, flail around for a bit and then drop away. It just won't happen. As I said, he's welcome to prove me wrong, but given his track record, this is what will happen.

When Perry left 80% of Journey's fan base left too.

That is a made-up statistic and completely stupid. Only die-hards cared.

[Saint John]

I GUARANTEE it won't work, though Steve Perry is certainly free to prove me wrong.

First, I'm tired of karaoke concerts and singers ruining their voices. I want the real thing.

If guys 15 years younger than Perry are ruining their voices, there is little doubt he wouldn't at his age. He already must sing far lower than he did originally. Yeah, Steve, go ahead and screw up your voice because it's the "real thing".

Second, I want some good new music. The two and a half albums they did with Augeri were shit and they have the album sales to prove that. Bottom line is they didn't sell. I don't want to hear about promtion, or should I say lack of, etc. Perry brings a label. This band is too identified with Perry. Fair or unfair, they'll never get out of his shadow. While TBF wasn't Journey's best, it had some great songs. When You Love A Woman, Message Of Love, If He Should Break Your Heart and one or two more made it a pretty damn good album.

If TBF wasn't Journey's best, who's to say anything new with him would be much better? We've seen how their music declined in 10 years already.

In addition, they wouldn't tour. Perry wouldn't do it. He has cut off THREE tours in his career. Strike three, he's out of that band. Good, because as much as they made good music, he just was hardly worth it to them. If Perry had it his way they'd STILL be waiting for him. I for one find no reason not to believe Herbie when he says Steve Perry had no intention of touring for TBF. I don't think he made up the hip thing, but it was likely a convenient excuse. He will come in the studio, sing some songs, and then once a tour is looming, start getting paranoid about whatever it is he gets paranoid about, flail around for a bit and then drop away. It just won't happen. As I said, he's welcome to prove me wrong, but given his track record, this is what will happen.

When Perry left 80% of Journey's fan base left too.

That is a made-up statistic and completely stupid. Only die-hards cared.

First, it's not a made up statistic. It's based on album sales and concert attendance. This year they're riding Def Leppards coattails. However, before that they were playing a lot of casino gigs and fairs. And you're right, he did cut off three tours. Whether the reasons were legit is pure speculation. However, Journey lipped through the second half of last years tour and the beginnibg of this one. Maybe cutting off tours isn't such a bad idea, eh? At least he cared more about the integrity of the music than limping through a tour just to pad his pockets. I'll take quality over quantity any day.

[Eric]

Lets get back to this Monkey playing drums thing....

[JrnySuxBalls]

Most people don't even know Perry is gone.

[Eric]

Wait a minute.....

are we talking about STEVE PERRY, or is the Monkey's name Perry? Perry the Monkey

[Saint John]

Most people don't even know Perry is gone.

It would be hard to put a number on that one. But I'd bet that more know that he's gone than think he's still there. Either by going to a show or being a big enough fan. It was on Behind The Music ya know. And then the White Sox thing.

[JrnySuxBalls]

Most people don't even know Perry is gone.

It would be hard to put a number on that one. But I'd bet that more know that he's gone than think he's still there. Either by going to a show or being a big enough fan. It was on Behind The Music ya know. And then the White Sox thing.

Like I said....most people.

[Rockindeano]

This is so funny watching this stupid shit.

I once advocated Deen to sing. I once slammed Jeff. I once wanted perry back. I once or a thousand times said Augeri sucks/sucked/always sucked.

1- NO need for Deen to sing.

2- Jeff has earned my respect.

3- I would love to see Perry back.

4- Augeri still sucks.


I already read the script folks. But since this is a message board, what fun would it be to tell you the ending before you watch the movie.

[Saint John]

Most people don't even know Perry is gone.

It would be hard to put a number on that one. But I'd bet that more know that he's gone than think he's still there. Either by going to a show or being a big enough fan. It was on Behind The Music ya know. And then the White Sox thing.

Like I said....most people.

If most people didn't know that he was gone they sure as shit would NOT be opening for Def Leppard. It's obvious that most people DO know that he is gone. hence low attendance at concerts and shitty album sales. C'mon man, you can't possibly believe that what you are saying is true.

[Saint John]

This is so funny watching this stupid shit.

I once advocated Deen to sing. I once slammed Jeff. I once wanted perry back. I once or a thousand times said Augeri sucks/sucked/always sucked.

1- NO need for Deen to sing.

2- Jeff has earned my respect.

3- I would love to see Perry back.

4- Augeri still sucks.


I already read the script folks. But since this is a message board, what fun would it be to tell you the ending before you watch the movie.

So you could say, "Ha ha fuckers, I told you so." That's why.

[conversationpc]

The two and a half albums they did with Augeri were shit and they have the album sales to prove that.

Many of my favorite albums are apparently "shit" then.

[Rockindeano]

The two and a half albums they did with Augeri were shit and they have the album sales to prove that.

Many of my favorite albums are apparently "shit" then.

Pretty much.

[Saint John]

The two and a half albums they did with Augeri were shit and they have the album sales to prove that.

Many of my favorite albums are apparently "shit" then.

Name one song that is a staple at Journey concerts. Higher Place was for awhile. But that song is mediocre....at best. I stand by my statement....hell the band never even TRIED to support those albums. And I can't say that I blame them. They're just not up to par with what Journey has always produced.

[NealIsGod]

The two and a half albums they did with Augeri were shit and they have the album sales to prove that.

Many of my favorite albums are apparently "shit" then.

Name one song that is a staple at Journey concerts. Higher Place was for awhile. But that song is mediocre....at best. I stand by my statement....hell the band never even TRIED to support those albums. And I can't say that I blame them. They're just not up to par with what Journey has always produced.

So you base your opinion on what is good on the songs they play that were hits 20 or more years ago? If that's the case, then no classic rock band is putting out good music anymore (in your mind).

[Saint John]

The two and a half albums they did with Augeri were shit and they have the album sales to prove that.

Many of my favorite albums are apparently "shit" then.

Name one song that is a staple at Journey concerts. Higher Place was for awhile. But that song is mediocre....at best. I stand by my statement....hell the band never even TRIED to support those albums. And I can't say that I blame them. They're just not up to par with what Journey has always produced.

So you base your opinion on what is good on the songs they play that were hits 20 or more years ago? If that's the case, then no classic rock band is putting out good music anymore (in your mind).

No, not at all. What I'm saying is they never really tried to support their new music, which tells me they didn't believe in it. I thought the 2 and a half Augeri albums were shitty, but not because they didn't support them. I thought they were shitty long before that. Honestly, Kiss Me Softly was the best live song I''ve heard off of those albums. And I must say, it was QUITE good live.

[Andrew]

If there is God, and if he doesn't want Augeri to recover and sing for Journey anymore, and since Perry won't, then he will require Dean to sing.

Dean doesn't want to. Move on please.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Name one song that is a staple at Journey concerts. Higher Place was for awhile. But that song is mediocre....at best.

No way.
"Higher Place" stacks up against some of the best work Journey's ever produced.
So does "Faith in the Heartland".
Look, say what you will on the dubious merits of the Augeri-era overall, but writing is really not one of them.
Jon and Neal have not skipped a beat!

Augeri's contributions, on the other hand, aren't even worth talking about.

[A Fire Inside]

If there is God, and if he doesn't want Augeri to recover and sing for Journey anymore, and since Perry won't, then he will require Dean to sing.

Dean doesn't want to. Move on please.

Neither does Deen.

[NoMoreTails]

This is so funny watching this stupid shit.

I once advocated Deen to sing. I once slammed Jeff. I once wanted perry back. I once or a thousand times said Augeri sucks/sucked/always sucked.

1- NO need for Deen to sing.

2- Jeff has earned my respect.

3- I would love to see Perry back.

4- Augeri still sucks.


I already read the script folks. But since this is a message board, what fun would it be to tell you the ending before you watch the movie.

What changed your mind? Did Jeff play you some tapes of himself with that added "octave for singing the Perry stuff?"