It's all about Command & Control...

[jrnyman28]

I thought Augeri had finally hit his stride during the "Under the Radar" tour.
The guy owned the stage.
Every member of the audience was transfixed.

Absolutely Steve at his peak!

[chad]

If you're a fan from the Perry era, and had the chance to see them live....it's very hard to imagine Journey with any other singer.

I do agree that JSS brings the umph back to Journey over SA, but from the vids I've seen I can't say his vocal style seems natural. My opionion is it has everything to do with the key of the songs. JSS is an awesome vocalist....no doubt....but his asenal of vocal powers aren't there when he sings for Journey. If you've ever heard him sing with SS or others, he's incredible. But singing the Journey catalog is extremely difficult. JSS has the deliver, melody and voice parts down....but like I menttioned earlier, the keys for most songs are in a range that make it very difficult.

SA to me, never felt comfortable on stage singing. Again, he's a good vocalist, but not even close for Journey.

I went to see them at the House of Blues (after the Walk of Fame ceremony) just because I thought there was a slim chance SP might show. I never thought this would happen in a million years (as an die-hard Journey fan) but I honestly felt like I was watching a tribute band. SA didn't even come close. After like 7 songs, we left. I never thought in my life I would be caught dead walking out of a Journey concert. But aftter seeing Perry so many times, I just wasn't in to it. When they say Perry left big shoes to fill...boy that was an understatement.

But then again, if you were a fan from the later Perry days...and never saw them live witth SP...you might be in to the SA Journey.

JSS does bring a new level of life back to them, and hopefully he'll adjust and my two cents will be obsolete. My main concern though is that Journey does not dilute themselves.

[Saint John]

If you're a fan from the Perry era, and had the chance to see them live....it's very hard to imagine Journey with any other singer.

I do agree that JSS brings the umph back to Journey over SA, but from the vids I've seen I can't say his vocal style seems natural. My opionion is it has everything to do with the key of the songs. JSS is an awesome vocalist....no doubt....but his asenal of vocal powers aren't there when he sings for Journey. If you've ever heard him sing with SS or others, he's incredible. But singing the Journey catalog is extremely difficult. JSS has the deliver, melody and voice parts down....but like I menttioned earlier, the keys for most songs are in a range that make it very difficult.

SA to me, never felt comfortable on stage singing. Again, he's a good vocalist, but not even close for Journey.

I went to see them at the House of Blues (after the Walk of Fame ceremony) just because I thought there was a slim chance SP might show. I never thought this would happen in a million years (as an die-hard Journey fan) but I honestly felt like I was watching a tribute band. SA didn't even come close. After like 7 songs, we left. I never thought in my life I would be caught dead walking out of a Journey concert. But aftter seeing Perry so many times, I just wasn't in to it. When they say Perry left big shoes to fill...boy that was an understatement.

But then again, if you were a fan from the later Perry days...and never saw them live witth SP...you might be in to the SA Journey.

JSS does bring a new level of life back to them, and hopefully he'll adjust and my two cents will be obsolete. My main concern though is that Journey does not dilute themselves.

I agree 100%.

[NealIsGod]

I saw Perry on the ROR tour. I much prefer Journey with Augeri than a declining Perry.

[Glenn]

And no, Perry couldn't dance for squat, but at least he didn't wiggle like a girl onstage - he just dressed like one LOL.

Seen the video for Chain Reaction lately.....Perry is dancing like he got did some home made angel dust...LOL

[ArnelRox]

I am talking about the black stretch pants and blouse tied at the stomach. He did look like a girl in that.

Oh come on. In all fairness that was the style back then.

[conversationpc]

I am talking about the black stretch pants and blouse tied at the stomach. He did look like a girl in that.

Oh come on. In all fairness that was the style back then.

Fairness dictates that we must tell the truth and say that he looked like a chick in that kind of outfit.

[ArnelRox]

I am talking about the black stretch pants and blouse tied at the stomach. He did look like a girl in that.

Oh come on. In all fairness that was the style back then.

Fairness dictates that we must tell the truth and say that he looked like a chick in that kind of outfit.

Ok then so did a whole lotta other rockers from that time. And fast forward to the late 80s glam hair rockers. David Coverdale, Kip Winger, etc. Kinda the same deal all over again. Personally, as a woman, I found those outfits hot. Better than the rap/hip hop jeans falling down look that subsequently became popular.

[Just Mindy]

Ok then so did a whole lotta other rockers from that time. And fast forward to the late 80s glam hair rockers. David Coverdale, Kip Winger, etc. Kinda the same deal all over again. Personally, as a woman, I found those outfits hot. Better than the rap/hip hop jeans falling down look that subsequently became popular.

Those big baggy jeans just don't do it for me, either, they're horrendous

I prefer Perry's look as well, the black stretch pants were great, but the blouse, I don't know....then again, I really wasn't too interested in what he was wearing

[conversationpc]

I am talking about the black stretch pants and blouse tied at the stomach. He did look like a girl in that.

Oh come on. In all fairness that was the style back then.

Fairness dictates that we must tell the truth and say that he looked like a chick in that kind of outfit.

Ok then so did a whole lotta other rockers from that time. And fast forward to the late 80s glam hair rockers. David Coverdale, Kip Winger, etc. Kinda the same deal all over again. Personally, as a woman, I found those outfits hot. Better than the rap/hip hop jeans falling down look that subsequently became popular.

Perry looked a lot more feminine than either David Coverdale or Kip Winger.

[Matthew]

I saw Perry on the ROR tour. I much prefer Journey with Augeri than a declining Perry.

I didn't get to see the ROR tour, unfortunately - and I haven't heard many bootlegs from it either. A "declining Perry" suggests he sounded pretty bad - or like a singer who has carried on long after he was meant to leave the stage. Is this true?

On record Perry was at his absolute peak in the mid-80s, I reckon. His performances on "Only the Young" and the entire ROR album were spectacular. Was it really so different at the live shows?

[Matthew]

I am talking about the black stretch pants and blouse tied at the stomach. He did look like a girl in that.

Oh come on. In all fairness that was the style back then.

Fairness dictates that we must tell the truth and say that he looked like a chick in that kind of outfit.

Ok then so did a whole lotta other rockers from that time. And fast forward to the late 80s glam hair rockers. David Coverdale, Kip Winger, etc. Kinda the same deal all over again. Personally, as a woman, I found those outfits hot. Better than the rap/hip hop jeans falling down look that subsequently became popular.

Perry looked a lot more feminine than either David Coverdale or Kip Winger.

I agree that in the Winger and Coverdale looked more masculine than Perry did during his red blouse era - but Perry never looked as absurd as those two guys did in 1987-88.

[McNeil]

This is all subjective bull shit

so what if my fave colour is blue, and yours is red, live n let live for gods sake

Perry was great, Augeri was great too

Perry was manic onstage at times, racing around, but he was in his thirties for Gods sake Augeri is in his later forties, he wld look llike a right "Balloon head" if he was racing round like a teenager.

Both guys fitted the bill perfectly for the era's they represented

As for Augeri being a bit "girly" onstage, for fucks sake, dont you realise thats what pulled a big percentage of the female audience in there,and prob kept the constant touring machine afloat.

I really think that this dissing of the whole of Augeris time there is pretty pathetic,

I didnt like his perm...blah blah, he danced like a sissy...blah blah, didnt have a hook nose like Perry did...blah blah, whine whine...moan moan

Why dont we rewrite the musical history of the band, and just leave him out altogether?? ffs (for fucks sake)

Perry fucked the band up for far too long...great singer, but I wouldnt want him backing me up on the front line in war torn Iraq, he would "make off" when your in trouble

Augeri was part of a band/management decision that went "tits up" when it was discovered..the way I see it, they both come out pretty even really.

[Matthew]

Both guys fitted the bill perfectly for the era's they represented

Perry fucked the band up for far too long...

Firstly....did Augeri really 'represent' his own era? He spent the vast majority of his time in Journey singing songs from Perry's era.

And..as for Perry fucking the band up for 'far too long'...what time period are you referring to?

[L~L~L]

Both guys fitted the bill perfectly for the era's they represented

Perry fucked the band up for far too long...

Firstly....did Augeri really 'represent' his own era? He spent the vast majority of his time in Journey singing songs from Perry's era.

That's right seems to me Augeri didn't represent his era he was karaoking Perry's era and didn't do it justice he resorted to lipping. So exactly what is your point here Nealmac?
If you mean "Perry fucked up the band by taking them to superstar status" then by all means I hold nothing against the guy

[Matthew]

Both guys fitted the bill perfectly for the era's they represented

Perry fucked the band up for far too long...

Firstly....did Augeri really 'represent' his own era? He spent the vast majority of his time in Journey singing songs from Perry's era.

That's right seems to me Augeri didn't represent his era he was karaoking Perry's era and didn't do it justice he resorted to lipping. So exactly what is your point here Nealmac?
If you mean "Perry fucked up the band by taking them to superstar status" then by all means I hold nothing against the guy

Perhaps he meant that Perry "fucked up the band" whenever he left to do his own thing? If so, I agree with that too.

[L~L~L]

Both guys fitted the bill perfectly for the era's they represented

Perry fucked the band up for far too long...

Firstly....did Augeri really 'represent' his own era? He spent the vast majority of his time in Journey singing songs from Perry's era.

That's right seems to me Augeri didn't represent his era he was karaoking Perry's era and didn't do it justice he resorted to lipping. So exactly what is your point here Nealmac?
If you mean "Perry fucked up the band by taking them to superstar status" then by all means I hold nothing against the guy

Perhaps he meant that Perry "fucked up the band" whenever he left to do his own thing? If so, I agree with that too.

Well then you would have to say Neal fucked up the band first, no? So where exactly does the blame lie?

[knox]

Augeri Era was singing Perry era songs.

The writing of the Augeri era couldn't make it on its own - hence the ongoing "Greatest Hits" tour.

Don't tell me about the Augeri Era - they NEVER put stock into those songs he was involved with. When they tried to do them in concerts, the fans got bored, lost interest.

[Matthew]

Both guys fitted the bill perfectly for the era's they represented

Perry fucked the band up for far too long...

Firstly....did Augeri really 'represent' his own era? He spent the vast majority of his time in Journey singing songs from Perry's era.

That's right seems to me Augeri didn't represent his era he was karaoking Perry's era and didn't do it justice he resorted to lipping. So exactly what is your point here Nealmac?
If you mean "Perry fucked up the band by taking them to superstar status" then by all means I hold nothing against the guy

Perhaps he meant that Perry "fucked up the band" whenever he left to do his own thing? If so, I agree with that too.

Well then you would have to say Neal fucked up the band first, no? So where exactly does the blame lie?

Oh...no blame...just a recognition of how badly Journey have depended on Steve Perry. Having brought success to Journey Perry took the success away from Journey when he left in 1987 and 1998.

[McNeil]

Both guys fitted the bill perfectly for the era's they represented

Perry fucked the band up for far too long...

Firstly....did Augeri really 'represent' his own era? He spent the vast majority of his time in Journey singing songs from Perry's era.

That's right seems to me Augeri didn't represent his era he was karaoking Perry's era and didn't do it justice he resorted to lipping. So exactly what is your point here Nealmac?
If you mean "Perry fucked up the band by taking them to superstar status" then by all means I hold nothing against the guy

well, I meant he fucked em up, by stalling for far too long, pulling out of touring to back up "Trial by Fire"

You only have to hear the rest of the guys talk about that time, to realise lots of stuff was going down at the time.

I have read that Cain and Schon realise now that they let Perry control everything, including the sackings of Ross and Smithy..I mean, for fucks sake, to say that Smith wasnt up to the stuff on "Raised On Radio " is outta here really. Smith is a great exponent of drumming, he presents classes in his own vidz for gods sake. theres nowt on ROR that he couldnt have done, same goes for Ross. Perry was fucking the band around, big time, but the band had the last laugh. Perry didnt think they would ever go on without him.. Perrys bluff back fired, and he was left behind.

Thats what I meant by fucking them up

and yes, sadly Journey never plugged much Augeri original stuff, because the USA fans, generally(this forum is not typical) lost touch with the band in the eighties. Most of em still thouight Perry was still there, so what would be the point of playing new stuff to them? Im still reading over at BT, from fan reviews of the gigs, where they expected to see Perry?? Jeez, whats that about.

Its a shame they did Europe too late, as UK etc etc has been gagging for them for years..so they decide to come over during "tapegate", talk about management fucking it up again.

[FormerJrnyFan]

He did when Neal got hit in the head with a bottle. That pussy Augeri would've started a prayer circle.

[Matthew]

Both guys fitted the bill perfectly for the era's they represented

Perry fucked the band up for far too long...

Firstly....did Augeri really 'represent' his own era? He spent the vast majority of his time in Journey singing songs from Perry's era.

That's right seems to me Augeri didn't represent his era he was karaoking Perry's era and didn't do it justice he resorted to lipping. So exactly what is your point here Nealmac?
If you mean "Perry fucked up the band by taking them to superstar status" then by all means I hold nothing against the guy

well, I meant he fucked em up, by stalling for far too long, pulling out of touring to back up "Trial by Fire"

You only have to hear the rest of the guys talk about that time, to realise lots of dtuff was going down at the time.

I have read that Cain and Schon realise now that they let Perry control everything, including the sackings of Ross and Smithy..I mean, for fucks sake, to say that Smith wasnt up to the stuff on "Raised On Radio " is outta here rreally. Smith is a great exponent of drumming, he presents classes in his own vidz for gods sake. theres nowt on ROR that he couldnt have done, same goes for Ross. Perry was fucking the band around, big time, but the band had the last laugh. Perry didnt think they would ever go on without him.. Perrys bluff back fired, and he was left behind.

Thats what I meant by fucking them up

The band had the last laugh? You must be joking...surely.

As for Perry's control of the band...well, Schon didn't mind at the time because Perry took an underachieving band who were about to be dropped by their record label and made it the number one rock act in the country.

And Smith? No-one ever said he wasn't 'up to it'. From what I've read Smith was constantly whining about the 'drum-machine' approach during the ROR recording sessions...instead of just getting on with it....so I doubt he was the blameless victim so many people make him out to be.

[L~L~L]

There's a Steve Smith interview around here somewhere and "He" himself said he didn't learn to play the way the album required him to do so. Seems to me if you are a gonna call yourself a professional you should learn everything that your career requires.

[L~L~L]

He did when Neal got hit in the head with a bottle. That pussy Augeri would've started a prayer circle.

No, Gods don't pray they get prayed to But that would of been pretty darn hilarious to watch...

[chad]

I saw Perry on the ROR tour. I much prefer Journey with Augeri than a declining Perry.

I saw Perry live from Infinity through his solo tours....and I have no idea what you're talking about.

Yes, his voice changed (as would anyones after touring like he did...i.e. 240+ shows/year)...but his vocal style, soulfulness, and power are untouchable. Just look at these many Journey/Perry boards....Perry is talked about daily with utmost respect.

[McNeil]

It doesnt matter how good you are, if you become a Primadonna, or an ego maniac, you have to go, its as simple as that

A band is just that, theres gotta be harmony. Weall heard Perry say that he always felt like an outsider, and the band being aghast at the comment. They clearly didnt get along with him in the end, it made for disharmony.

Theres a side to Perry thats obviously hard to get along with. So much so, that they decided that they wld rather carry on without him, than be "resting up" for another 10 yrs !!!!

As far as output goes, Perry is bone idle. Just when is he gonna do something new? Active, inspired musicians just cant sit on their arses for ever, they got to be creating. He lost the "muse" many years ago. He was burnt out and used up
His time has been. A great time, but its history now, we cant go back there, except to put a CD on or a DVD.

[Matthew]

It doesnt matter how good you are, if you become a Primadonna, or an ego maniac, you have to go, its as simple as that

A band is just that, theres gotta be harmony. Weall heard Perry say that he always felt like an outsider, and the band being aghast at the comment. They clearly didnt get along with him in the end, it made for disharmony.

Theres a side to Perry thats obviously hard to get along with. So much so, that they decided that they wld rather carry on without him, than be "resting up" for another 10 yrs !!!!

As far as output goes, Perry is bone idle. Just when is he gonna do something new? Active, inspired musicians just cant sit on their arses for ever, they got to be creating. He lost the "muse" many years ago. He was burnt out and used up
His time has been. A great time, but its history now, we cant go back there, except to put a CD on or a DVD.

Yes - Journey has been so inspired and creative since Perry left....playing the same old hits from the 1980s night after night in concert. The band have made a career out of 'going back there'. At least Perry kept his dignity.

I'd say Journey are history too. Unless JSS can pull off a miracle that is....

[The_Noble_Cause]

I HIGHLY doubt it was Augeri's idea. WHY would a guy WANT to do that knowing that he could possibly be found out?Say what you want. "He sucks. He's a jerk", or whatever.

Where does the buck stop?
For Christs's sake, he's the vocalist, he's the one out their faking. C'mon!
If he did it for the good of the band, that is all the more reprehensible.
It shows his loyalty lies with lining the guys' coffers, and not with the fans.

[McNeil]

It doesnt matter how good you are, if you become a Primadonna, or an ego maniac, you have to go, its as simple as that

A band is just that, theres gotta be harmony. Weall heard Perry say that he always felt like an outsider, and the band being aghast at the comment. They clearly didnt get along with him in the end, it made for disharmony.

Theres a side to Perry thats obviously hard to get along with. So much so, that they decided that they wld rather carry on without him, than be "resting up" for another 10 yrs !!!!

As far as output goes, Perry is bone idle. Just when is he gonna do something new? Active, inspired musicians just cant sit on their arses for ever, they got to be creating. He lost the "muse" many years ago. He was burnt out and used up
His time has been. A great time, but its history now, we cant go back there, except to put a CD on or a DVD.

Yes - Journey has been so inspired and creative since Perry left....playing the same old hits from the 1980s night after night in concert. The band have made a career out of 'going back there'. At least Perry kept his dignity.

I'd say Journey are history too. Unless JSS can pull off a miracle that is....

At least they are out there gigging...putting their necks on the block. not an a lifetime sabbatical !!! What does Perry do with his time, knit baby bootees

[knox]

No doubt Perry had ego problems - no one ever questions that. I am still ticked that he bullied his way of getting rid of the Scarab on Frontiers and getting rid of Ross and Smitty for ROR.

However, when you talk about success, Journey has ZERO without him - either before or after Perry.

Heck, even Perry alone had success with Oh Sherrie, Foolish Heart, and at least some air play with Strung Out and You Better Wait.

The thing about Perry is that he knew to hang it up when he couldn't bring it anymore. I respect that. Heck, the guy is almost in his sixties - I don't expect him to release anything new.

Although I would love to hear him cover some classic motown on a CD. Not even tour, just get in the studio where his voice can be relaxed and croon out some stuff.

Perry is not guiltless. However, he had that something special. Augeri never had any of that.