Doesn't it speak volumes......

[Carlitto H@kk]

Can't blame Augeri for Schon and Cain's lack of motivation for putting out new material. I have felt like their hearts are not into creating music that isn't going to make them alot of money...if it was, Neal would have kept Soul Sirkus going. As for their solo efforts, they have probably done as much business with those as they'd hoped. Perhaps JSS would provide a spark, but Neal already had the music for SS ready, he didn't need motivation for that. Regardless of Augeri's or JSS's input, if Cain and Schon had the fire in their bellys (pl?) for new music like they should. They shouldn't have to have a singer kicking them to get off their asses...

You're right; they shouldn't need a singer kicking them... but what if that singer just 'naturally' inspires them?
Maybe since Augeri was a poor-mans version of Perry they just didn't feel inspired; kinda "been there, done that". But look what they came up with when they were writing for Waite. Look at some of the great tracks they collaborated on for the Hardline album. Maybe Jon is hearing Jeff's voice in his head now and thinking, "Now THIS is something I can work with all day long and 5 times on Saturday!"

[NoMoreTails]

Can't blame Augeri for Schon and Cain's lack of motivation for putting out new material. I have felt like their hearts are not into creating music that isn't going to make them alot of money...if it was, Neal would have kept Soul Sirkus going. As for their solo efforts, they have probably done as much business with those as they'd hoped. Perhaps JSS would provide a spark, but Neal already had the music for SS ready, he didn't need motivation for that. Regardless of Augeri's or JSS's input, if Cain and Schon had the fire in their bellys (pl?) for new music like they should. They shouldn't have to have a singer kicking them to get off their asses...

But look what they came up with when they were writing for Waite.

There wasn't all that many Waite/Cain/Schon collaborations on the first BE album, and on Backlash they couldn't get along well enough to write period.

I'd take most of the Augeri era Journey output over the very best of BE and Hardline. And the very best of it measures up to the best of Journey's output imo, then again I'm in the minority which likes Red13.

[jrnyman28]

Can't blame Augeri for Schon and Cain's lack of motivation for putting out new material. I have felt like their hearts are not into creating music that isn't going to make them alot of money...if it was, Neal would have kept Soul Sirkus going. As for their solo efforts, they have probably done as much business with those as they'd hoped. Perhaps JSS would provide a spark, but Neal already had the music for SS ready, he didn't need motivation for that. Regardless of Augeri's or JSS's input, if Cain and Schon had the fire in their bellys (pl?) for new music like they should. They shouldn't have to have a singer kicking them to get off their asses...

You're right; they shouldn't need a singer kicking them... but what if that singer just 'naturally' inspires them?
Maybe since Augeri was a poor-mans version of Perry they just didn't feel inspired; kinda "been there, done that". But look what they came up with when they were writing for Waite. Look at some of the great tracks they collaborated on for the Hardline album. Maybe Jon is hearing Jeff's voice in his head now and thinking, "Now THIS is something I can work with all day long and 5 times on Saturday!"

Jon has said that he lost the desire to create music because of NAPTER and Arrival.

Oddly enough, Steve Augeri is the reson we got Generations. He was writing for a solo project and brought the work in. That apparantly inspired the guys to get off their asses and put together a CD. Granted, the CD was hurried and featured very little Augeri material...but ti still came about BECAUSE of their lead singer.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Can't blame Augeri for Schon and Cain's lack of motivation for putting out new material.

Sure I can. I don't feel Steve and the rest of the band had any writing chemisty together. That's not a personal attack either. Look, either you have it, or you don't. Take Neal and JSS, for example. They wrote a whole album together in a piddling matter of weeks.
Think of how Perry and Schon got together, Neal strummed a little something on the accoustic and Presto! "Patiently" was near finished on the spot.
That's what I am talking about.

I have felt like their hearts are not into creating music that isn't going to make them alot of money...if it was, Neal would have kept Soul Sirkus going.

If he could've afforded it, he probably would have.
He stated in an interview that he was in the red due to Sirkus.

Perhaps JSS would provide a spark, but Neal already had the music for SS ready, he didn't need motivation for that.

Those lyrics didn't write themselves y'know.

Regardless of Augeri's or JSS's input, if Cain and Schon had the fire in their bellys (pl?) for new music like they should.

Jon and Neal were the priciple writers of the Augeri-era as it was.
They can't always schlep out to Nashville to finish albums with outside writers.
That's where band input should've been coming in.

They shouldn't have to have a singer kicking them to get off their asses...

It's not even about that.
I am saying this lineup had little writing chemistry.
The same thing I have been saying on this board for years now.
Either you have it or you don't.

If and when this new lineup releases an album, I predict JSS's name will be on nearly every song.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Oddly enough, Steve Augeri is the reson we got Generations. He was writing for a solo project and brought the work in. That apparantly inspired the guys to get off their asses and put together a CD. Granted, the CD was hurried and featured very little Augeri material...but ti still came about BECAUSE of their lead singer.

Pompous gasbag Monker raised this exact same flimsy argument.
Augeri might have inspired them to throw something together, but he didn't inspire them to write and work together as a functioning unit.
As evidenced by many interviews, the band was pulling in different directions.
Neal mentioned he wasn't even around when the cd's track list was compiled.
And Steve said "it wasn't until the last moment of doing this record that [Jon] came in - literally into the studio with a few masterpieces."

Geesh. That's not a band. This is a bunch of disparate solo artists vying for their time in the sun.

[NoMoreTails]

If and when this new lineup releases an album, I predict JSS's name will be on nearly every song.

I would expect this as well as I believe Jeff will be more assertive and considering his and Neal's chemistry. I have my doubts about Jon and Jeff having that chemistry however.
Chemistry aside, I think a more successful Arrival would have been motivation aplenty...someone posted where Jon said as much himself.

[jrnyman28]

Oddly enough, Steve Augeri is the reson we got Generations. He was writing for a solo project and brought the work in. That apparantly inspired the guys to get off their asses and put together a CD. Granted, the CD was hurried and featured very little Augeri material...but ti still came about BECAUSE of their lead singer.

Pompous gasbag Monker raised this exact same flimsy argument.
Augeri might have inspired them to throw something together, but he didn't inspire them to write and work together as a functioning unit.
As evidenced by many interviews, the band was pulling in different directions.
Neal mentioned he wasn't even around when the cd's track list was compiled.
And Steve said "it wasn't until the last moment of doing this record that [Jon] came in - literally into the studio with a few masterpieces."

Geesh. That's not a band. This is a bunch of disparate solo artists vying for their time in the sun.

Not arguing that. Not arguing the lack of writing chemistry actually either. But it is a simple fact that in this one case, we received a CD BECAUSE the lead singer affected it. I was only addressing that one point.

At the end of the day, NO ONE should have to inspire the others to "work"...they shgould just WANT to. And it is obvious that the band didn't really WANT to during the last 8 years.

Whether that is all because of Steve, or if it is a combination of events such as: Napster, the new musical landscape, a hands off manager, no label, easy money on tour, or no chemistry is specualtion at this point. I think it is the unfortunate combination of all events...not just Steve.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Balls to the wall!

Look, we all know you're a frustrated midwestern dildo-toting housewife, but can you please refrain from injecting your carnal sexual desires into an otherwise wholesome thread?
Thanks.

[jrnyman28]

Balls to the wall!

Look, we all know you're a frustrated midwestern dildo-toting housewife, but can you please refrain from injecting your carnal sexual desires into an otherwise wholesome thread?
Thanks.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Whether that is all because of Steve, or if it is a combination of events such as: Napster, the new musical landscape, a hands off manager, no label, easy money on tour, or no chemistry is specualtion at this point. I think it is the unfortunate combination of all events...not just Steve.

Fair enough.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I have my doubts about Jon and Jeff having that chemistry however.

Me too. Especially if his recent crabby on-stage demeanor is anything to go by.
I hear he is gradually beggining to smile again so maybe JSS has shown him the way.

Chemistry aside, I think a more successful Arrival would have been motivation aplenty

Agreed. But even so, I still have a feeling that Neal and Jon would've done the brunt of the writing chores.
Maybe once "Arrival" sank like a stone they never even bothered to foster group chemsitry.
Maybe they resigned themselves to the reality that they are now exclusively a touring band.

[Saint John]

NoMoreTails wrote:
I have my doubts about Jon and Jeff having that chemistry however.


Me too. Especially if his recent crabby on-stage demeanor is anything to go by.
I hear he is gradually beggining to smile again so maybe JSS has shown him the way.




Cain thinks HE'S running the show. And Neal hand-picking (by all accounts) JSS was a blow to Jon's pride. He pouted for some time but is now realizing that Neal was right. This has NOTHING to do with JSS. I think it has EVERYTHING to do with Neal not asking Jon what he thought before he made this move. Just my opinion.

[Red13JoePa]

Come on. Cain had to know that JSS was the main waiting in the wings....shoulda been no surprise to him.

[Carlitto H@kk]

Come on. Cain had to know that JSS was the main waiting in the wings....shoulda been no surprise to him.

Exactly. And it isn't like Neal just threw JSS at Jon. Jon knew JSS ahead of time and his capabilities... The SS sessions were done in Jon's studio. I do agree that Jon's demeanor at first was pretty sour. I saw them on 8 July in VB (second show w/ Jeff) and Jon looked bored/pissed/uninterested. But from what I read, he's been getting into the tour more. Who knows, maybe Jon was stressing over other things at first like, "DL wants to add dates, can Jeff stick around?" "Will the fans accept Jeff or spend the entire set at the beer tents?" or "God Damn posters at MelodicRock, why they gotta keep making fun of my ass-tickler??? Maybe I should shave it off!"

[Ms_M]

I think it was the stress over the ass-tickler.

[The Ghost Rider]

Maybe Cain was thinking...Holy Shit, I might be next (to be replaced).

[whocares]

[quote="jrnyman28
Jon has said that he lost the desire to create music because of NAPTER and Arrival.

Oddly enough, Steve Augeri is the reson we got Generations. He was writing for a solo project and brought the work in. That apparantly inspired the guys to get off their asses and put together a CD. Granted, the CD was hurried and featured very little Augeri material...but ti still came about BECAUSE of their lead singer.[/quote]

Sure Jon said that, and Jon is a man who's word is good... (you know I'm not knocking you J28).

I think the reason he lost his desire is because Sony dropped the bomb on them, and someone either in the Journey camp or somewhere at Sony leaked the CD to Napster. So many people have blamed the Internet for the reason they lost sales, when in fact it was proven time and time again, that having music available like that actually made people go out and buy the real physical product. Not having a physical product to give people like some artists did, Prince and Chuck D and others did. Maybe have hurt physical sales, but eventually music won't probably be as available in a CD/DVD or whatever physical format, and you'll only be able to download the song for a price just by thinking about listening to it. The record companies are the ones getting rich off of physical sales, not the artists.

Yeah, we got Generations most likely because of Augeri, but it's still a terrible CD compared to most of the other ones by the band.

[Argus]

Jon Cain Rocks too.

Cain/Friga Songs

Rubicon, Lay it Down, Better Life, Separate Ways etc. etc etc.

[Argus]

Works written by:

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FRIGA JOHN L Society: ASCAP CAE/IPI No. 055.76.34.61
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2 . A SIGHT FOR SORE EYES
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3 . AFTER THE FALL
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4 . AFTER THE TEARS
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79 . IT S JUST THE RAIN
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148 . TO BE ALIVE AGAIN
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167 . WISH THAT I WAS THERE WITH YOU
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168 . WITH YOUR LOVE
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169 . WITH YOUR LOVE
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170 . WORKING CLASS MAN (FR FILM GUNG HO)
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171 . WORLD GONE WILD
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172 . YOU WOULDN'T DANCE WITH ME
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173 . YOU'RE ALL THAT I NEED
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174 . ZANZIBAR
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[Abitaman]

[heardonthestreet]

Jon cain's songwriting abilities are toast. No way could he write material for Schon and Soto. JMHO.

[Argus]

:?:

Folks seem to think that Jon only writes love songs, that's crap. He can and has written many a rock song. The Friga/Cain list of tunes I posted shows how many areas of music JC can do. I'm sure that he's not worried about being replaced or having trouble relating to JSS. You all love a conspiracy where none exists. carry on eating MR's bandwidth and driving Andrew to drink. I do suggest you all help contribute in $$ to this site as Andrew depends on it for living and bandwidth ain't cheap.

[Argus]

Jon cain's songwriting abilities are toast. No way could he write material for Schon and Soto. JMHO.

Ah, we disagree about this. We shall see what the future brings

[fred_journeyman]

Geesh. That's not a band. This is a bunch of disparate solo artists vying for their time in the sun.

Or going in way too many different directions.

[McNeil]

Doesnt it speak volumes that JSS is there for one week and BAM! - they have installed a studio and are presumably writing, recording etc.
Y'know, doing all the things a functioning active band is supposed to be doing?
If there was a studio on the bus during Augeri's tenure, it sure as hell wasn't used for recording new music.
What was it used for I must wonder?
Draping freshly washed red leathers over to dry?
Two and a half piddling albums over the span of 8 years?- Christ, that's pitiful.
I think "Flock of Seagulls" has put out more than that.

With the insertion of a gutsy new frontman, I have a strong feeling that a new creative dawn may be rising.

arrival was awesome actually... as is Generations... not pitful by any means.. just not HUGE commercially... Only dumb thing about the Arrival release was not making it WORLD WIDE release in the fall of 2000....and not second guess yourself about what was on it and wait 6 months----by then everyone who cared herd it on Napster... and that was that.

Rick

true..Arrival easily stands alongside Journeys best stuff, and I would go as far as to say that "Higher Place" stands just beneath"Seperate Ways" as one of the best rockers they have ever done!

[heardonthestreet]

It's awful McNeil. It's like scraping your nails on a chalkboard, imo.

[yak]

It's awful McNeil. It's like scraping your nails on a chalkboard, imo.

What's "awful" here is how you keep perpetrating your silly agenda.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Jon cain's songwriting abilities are toast. No way could he write material for Schon and Soto. JMHO.

Go fry an egg.
"Faith in the Heartland" is a true Journey epic.
Jon and Neal haven't missed a beat.

[The_Noble_Cause]

true..Arrival easily stands alongside Journeys best stuff,

I wouldn't go that far.
Some of it sounds like Bad English left overs and other songs sound like they're trying too hard.

and I would go as far as to say that "Higher Place" stands just beneath"Seperate Ways" as one of the best rockers they have ever done!

This I agree with.

[Monker]

Then explain to me how Jeff and Neal wrote all of the kick ass Soul Sirkus tunes in less than a month!
LESS THAN A MONTH!!!!!

Because they took a month off to actualy sit down and write. That is something Journey did not do until AUGERI inspired them to do so with his songs that ended up on Generations.

And perhaps you should be asking yourself just why the band never took the time to do it.
Perhaps they felt they had a faulty product unworthy of further investing in?

BECAUSE THEY WERE *CONSTANTLY* ON TOUR. The NEVER took the time off the road to properly record an album. THAT is the bottom line...the REALITY of the situation...Not your fantasy of blaming Augeri.

...in fact his writing is what sparked Generations to be recorded.

Immaterial.

Bullshit. The people of this thread are insisting that Augeri's writing skills are crap, that he gives no inspiration to Neal or Journey. That's all bullshit. The FACT is that Neal himself said that hearing Augeri songs, meant for a solo album, is why they did Generations.

Neal and JSS have proven chemistry.

The EXACT SAME THING was said about Augeri when he was hired. Neal's track record is to go where the money is - not where the rock is. If JSS sings, we'll get one album at most and then it will be nothing but touring - I say that because that is the band's recent history.

After 8 dawdling fruitless years Neal and Augeri clearly have very little.

They have givena HELL OF A LOT...Two albums, and EP, a DVD, a soundtrack song - and a TON OF TOURING.

Do try to pay attention you bombastic gas bag.

Go take your turn with Lula.