Sammy Hagar's Opinion Is.....

[Liz22562]

And as long as some of you continue to go on your "I'm FUP'd binges so time to bash anyone that crosses me" posts and this is why Augie sux threads...it will always remain the same. Lighten up. There were some great topics and interesting debates going on over the last few weeks...it's back to the garbage again.

Have a great day!

[Citygirl]

And as long as some of you continue to go on your "I'm FUP'd binges so time to bash anyone that crosses me" posts and this is why Augie sux threads...it will always remain the same. Lighten up. There were some great topics and interesting debates going on over the last few weeks...it's back to the garbage again.

Have a great day!

Deano won't be happy until he's made everyone hate Steve Augeri.

I just laugh at you now, Deano...

[NealIsGod]

Deano won't be happy until he's made everyone hate Steve Augeri.

I just laugh at you now, Deano...

He'll never persuade me.

[Citygirl]

He'll never persuade me.

Whatever really went on towards the end, he was a bloody good singer in his time. If the guys hadn't toured so excessively his voice might have been okay.

But no he will never be happy until everyone says they hate the guy.

[NealIsGod]

He'll never persuade me.

Whatever really went on towards the end, he was a bloody good singer in his time. If the guys hadn't toured so excessively his voice might have been okay.

But no he will never be happy until everyone says they hate the guy.

I guess if they blow out JSS' voice, the villagers will come at him with their torches and pitchforks, too.

[Rockindeano]

And as long as some of you continue to go on your "I'm FUP'd binges so time to bash anyone that crosses me" posts and this is why Augie sux threads...it will always remain the same. Lighten up. There were some great topics and interesting debates going on over the last few weeks...it's back to the garbage again.

Have a great day!

Deano won't be happy until he's made everyone hate Steve Augeri.

I just laugh at you now, Deano...

Go fuck yourself, Euro.

I am right, and you know it.

[Citygirl]

I guess if they blow out JSS' voice, the villagers will come at him with their torches and pitchforks, too.

Let's see what happens 10 years down the line.

[Rockindeano]

I guess if they blow out JSS' voice, the villagers will come at him with their torches and pitchforks, too.

They won't blow out his voice. JSS will say, I am not doing this song tonight or I will do that song. He will stand up and speak, not blindly follow along and mime.

Make up your mind, dude. You say he didn't lip, then you admit his voice is shot. WTF?

[Citygirl]

Go fuck yourself, Euro.

I am right, and you know it.

Do I? I don't remember ever saying "Deano is correct."

[NealIsGod]

I guess if they blow out JSS' voice, the villagers will come at him with their torches and pitchforks, too.

They won't blow out his voice. JSS will say, I am not doing this song tonight or I will do that song. He will stand up and speak, not blindly follow along and mime.

Make up your mind, dude. You say he didn't lip, then you admit his voice is shot. WTF?

Obviously, something is wrong with him. I think it is more serious than an infection, but I said a million times I think he had some assistance, just not to the extent that you think.

[Rockindeano]

Go fuck yourself, Euro.

I am right, and you know it.

Do I? I don't remember ever saying "Deano is correct."

Ok, maybe you didn't, but you said a hundred times you thought I was either working for the band or an actual band member.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I guess if they blow out JSS' voice, the villagers will come at him with their torches and pitchforks, too.

If a vocalist can no longer perform the job required of him then he should voluntarily step down.
If he doesn't, and begins to defraud the hard working masses, the fans have every right to come pounding down his door.
That, or someone should start a blog.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I think he had some assistance, just not to the extent that you think.

If that were the case he wouldn't be sitting this tour out.
The reason why they could afford to put him out to pasture is because he outlived his use.
The dude sang ONLY one song in its entiriety for 30th anniversary tour.
Scandalous.

[fred_journeyman]

...but if the vocals aren't live then it needs to say so on the concert ticket. Otherwise it's deception. Or perhaps you don't mind about that either?

But they don't say that on tickets to Madonna or Britney concerts and for at least some of the time during those concerts, they are NOT actually singing. Certainly, it's a bit different in a rock concert venue though. I guess what Madonna and Britney do are more like musical productions, so there's an excuse because of all the jumping around and dancing they do.

Technology is a really interesting thing as I'm sure most of us are aware. Years ago, I was visiting a friend in a recording studio in NY. He played a demo of a very popular song that had hit it big on the charts. In fact, I liked the song a lot. Then I heard the demo. It was just the guy's voice track singing. UGGGHHH. My friend then showed me how they layered tracks on top of it and around his voice and then corrected the pitch on the guy's singing, adding effects as they went. The final product was what was heard on the radio and what people bought in the stores. It's still probably safe to say that we've come to expect that on a studio album, to a degree. In concert is another thing altogether.

[The_Noble_Cause]

But they don't say that on tickets to Madonna or Britney concerts and for at least some of the time during those concerts, they are NOT actually singing.

Who cares?
I heard radio ads for the 30th anniversary tour promising the fans "a night of LIVE rock n' roll!".
Operative word being "live".

[sadie65]

But they don't say that on tickets to Madonna or Britney concerts and for at least some of the time during those concerts, they are NOT actually singing.

Who cares?
I heard radio ads for the 30th anniversary tour promising the fans "a night of LIVE rock n' roll!".
Operative word being "live".

Perhaps you will feel it's semantics...but them men up on the stage for that tour...were indeed....live. As in breathing.

[Red13JoePa]

I guess if they blow out JSS' voice, the villagers will come at him with their torches and pitchforks, too.

If a vocalist can no longer perform the job required of him then he should voluntarily step down.
If he doesn't, and begins to defraud the hard working masses, the fans have every right to come pounding down his door.
That, or someone should start a blog.

Augeri DID step down when he couldn't sing anymore. 'Swhy we have JSS.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Perhaps you will feel it's semantics...but them men up on the stage for that tour...were indeed....live. As in breathing.

The announcer on the radio didn't say "Live men on a stage", like some discount chippendales show, it said "Live Rock n' Roll".
Meaning the music.

Now granted, the BG vocals are fake, but that's where I draw the line.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Augeri DID step down when he couldn't sing anymore.

Dragged away kicking and screaming is more like it.
He had to be told directly by mngt. to take a hike.
That's not stepping down, u comatose apologist asshole.

[Red13JoePa]

Augeri DID step down when he couldn't sing anymore.

Dragged away kicking and screaming is more like it.
He had to be told directly by mngt. to take a hike.
That's not stepping down, u comatose apologist asshole.

Says who besides you and Oakhead?

[sadie65]

Perhaps you will feel it's semantics...but them men up on the stage for that tour...were indeed....live. As in breathing.

The announcer on the radio didn't say "Live men on a stage", like some discount chippendales show, it said "Live Rock n' Roll".
Meaning the music.

Now granted, the BG vocals are fake, but that's where I draw the line.

As I said...it was semantics...my point was simply that it wasn't false advertising. Whether or not lip synching occured, the advertising was not false. There is a reason things are worded the way they are.

And the average concert goer for their shows apparently went away happy.

Like it or not...the bands that we grew up with are nostalgia acts. Those attending their shows would most likely not notice or care. Which is why another can step in...ala Mr. Soto. No disrespect meant here. Seriously. I have no problem with him, Mr. Augeri, or the band in general. It's business as usual. Just a different cast.

[Red13JoePa]

Where's the outrage, Sadie? You're supposed to furious at Augeri that people said he lip sanch 2.5 tours in full but provided zero proof whatsoever.

[sadie65]

Where's the outrage, Sadie? You're supposed to furious at Augeri that people said he lip sanch 2.5 tours in full but provided zero proof whatsoever.

I've got no outrage. I readily admit I am not the best judge as to whether or not the lip synching occured, however all I can say is that most casual fans wouldn't care. Fans who frequent internet chat forums are seldom if ever casual fans. They carry emotional attachments.

Sorry...but like many others...I have no outrage over this. Other than there are an awful lot of people expressing anger and placing blame when they themselves cannot honestly say what they would do...as they haven't been in the position. Let's hope they never are.

Peace

[Wheels Of Fyre]

Do you draw any kind of line at all? Say between 'enhancement' and 'miming'? Or do you just go to concerts for the experience?

I started off as a performing artist in and out of high school and I understand the rigors of stagecraft. I performed in many productions where my voice was just RAW but I had to go out and make adjustments so that I could at least project something coherent - without microphones I might add. I can understand the need for "help."

Having said that I tend to look at this with a different perspective. Have you ever been to Broadway to see a play only to find out that the star actor that you wanted to see was out sick? They don't close the theatre and wait for the star to get well. They bring in the understudy - the show must go on.

A RnR band is slightly different. They don't have the luxury of understudies. They have to go out night after night and kill themselves. So for me I don't care if SA was using some "help." The guy was out there doing what he could to help the show go on. I'm an Honor Bar Thespian and our motto is "Act well your part there all the honor lies." I think that creed is something that would do well in any working environment as it acknowledges that one has a role to play and that playing it well is where the honor is found. So many people do things for personal glorification or gain, etc. SA went out and played his part as best he could - honorably.

Call it "deception" or whatever you want. The REALITY is that SA is human and he was doing what he could to keep JOURNEY's show going and the fans happy.

[Wheels Of Fyre]

Do you draw any kind of line at all? Say between 'enhancement' and 'miming'? Or do you just go to concerts for the experience?

I started off as a performing artist in and out of high school and I understand the rigors of stagecraft. I performed in many productions where my voice was just RAW but I had to go out and make adjustments so that I could at least project something coherent - without microphones I might add. I can understand the need for "help."

Having said that I tend to look at this with a different perspective. Have you ever been to Broadway to see a play only to find out that the star actor that you wanted to see was out sick? They don't close the theatre and wait for the star to get well. They bring in the understudy - the show must go on.

A RnR band is slightly different. They don't have the luxury of understudies. They have to go out night after night and kill themselves. So for me I don't care if SA was using some "help." The guy was out there doing what he could to help the show go on. I'm an Honor Bar Thespian and our motto is "Act well your part there all the honor lies." I think that creed is something that would do well in any working environment as it acknowledges that one has a role to play and that playing it well is where the honor is found. So many people do things for personal glorification or gain, etc. SA went out and played his part as best he could - honorably.

Call it "deception" or whatever you want. The REALITY is that SA is human and he was doing what he could to keep JOURNEY's show going and the fans happy.

[Wheels Of Fyre]

Do you draw any kind of line at all? Say between 'enhancement' and 'miming'? Or do you just go to concerts for the experience?

I started off as a performing artist in and out of high school and I understand the rigors of stagecraft. I performed in many productions where my voice was just RAW but I had to go out and make adjustments so that I could at least project something coherent - without microphones I might add. I can understand the need for "help."

Having said that I tend to look at this with a different perspective. Have you ever been to Broadway to see a play only to find out that the star actor that you wanted to see was out sick? They don't close the theatre and wait for the star to get well. They bring in the understudy - the show must go on.

A RnR band is slightly different. They don't have the luxury of understudies. They have to go out night after night and kill themselves. So for me I don't care if SA was using some "help." The guy was out there doing what he could to help the show go on. I'm an Honor Bar Thespian and our motto is "Act well your part there all the honor lies." I think that creed is something that would do well in any working environment as it acknowledges that one has a role to play and that playing it well is where the honor is found. So many people do things for personal glorification or gain, etc. SA went out and played his part as best he could - honorably.

Call it "deception" or whatever you want. The REALITY is that SA is human and he was doing what he could to keep JOURNEY's show going and the fans happy.

[Rockindeano]

That is all well and good Fyre, IF he was getting a little help. Dude got 100% taped help....save for LTS LAST year.

THAT is a BIG difference, betwen a "little help" and "ALL Taped asistance."

[Marc S]

You all really do get anal about this. The view from the UK; Steve Augeri was hired to sound like Steve Perry. He did a fantastic job. Whatever anyone says, Arrival is a top album and he should be congratulated for that - he sang all those parts regardless of whether he was dropped in line by line by the engineer, this is what happens. He and the rest of the band dug themselves a big hole and if true, got found out. These days it matters not a flying fuck. I defy anyone, even Perry at the age he is, to go out night after night for 3 hours and sing like that. Maybe he thought he could recover. I've just taken my partner to see Madonna, it was all mimed but a great show all the same. no-one died, its just a little embarrassing for those involved. I saw them at the Monsters of Rock and pre-recorded/augmented/assisted vocal or not, they were great.

Hagar is viewed as something of a tosser over here anyhow.

[Carlitto H@kk]

You all really do get anal about this. The view from the UK; Steve Augeri was hired to sound like Steve Perry. He did a fantastic job. Whatever anyone says, Arrival is a top album and he should be congratulated for that - he sang all those parts regardless of whether he was dropped in line by line by the engineer, this is what happens. He and the rest of the band dug themselves a big hole and if true, got found out. These days it matters not a flying fuck. I defy anyone, even Perry at the age he is, to go out night after night for 3 hours and sing like that. Maybe he thought he could recover. I've just taken my partner to see Madonna, it was all mimed but a great show all the same. no-one died, its just a little embarrassing for those involved. I saw them at the Monsters of Rock and pre-recorded/augmented/assisted vocal or not, they were great.

Hagar is viewed as something of a tosser over here anyhow.

Your last comment about Hagar just proves that you really don't get it and probably never will. As long as you are happy with spending money on a "show" instead of a full-on 'concert', good on ya. See someone like Hagar live and you will see what a concert is supposed to be - balls-out live, loud, a bit sloppy and fun as hell... Jeff's gonna bring that to this band now. Hell, he already is

[The Ghost Rider]

Hagar is viewed as something of a tosser over here anyhow.

So, Sammy Hagar is a "tosser"...but Madonna is cool?


I get it.