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Postby Red13JoePa » Thu Sep 14, 2006 3:27 am

Carlitto H@kk wrote:
Red13JoePa wrote:What's the big deal?

He meant SA trying to sing through the voice problems wasn't working, not SA as our lead singer wasn't working overall.


This is what all the 'Wigglers' are saying too...

Its kinda sad, all this blind faith is just steering all the Augeri fans to a devastating let down real soon.


I'm a wiggler, but not one who thinks he's coming back....I think tapegaters are reading tea leaves doused in lemon juice looking for signs that the band is dancing on Augeri's grave, though ......
this thread being a classic example of this reaching.

I'm syched to go forward w/ JSS and I think Augeri's fine w/ it....
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Re: Jonathan's comments on Augeri

Postby Wheels Of Fyre » Thu Sep 14, 2006 3:28 am

Mandi wrote:I understand how some of you feel cheated, but I don't feel that way. I attended many many concerts with Steve Augeri possibly singing live or maybe I was fooled. I paid to be entertained by Journey and I was entertained.


THAT's THE POINT, Mandi! Bravo!

If you wanted to be entertained and you were then you got your money's worth. If you wanted to be anything else than entertained then why bother?

It's all about the entertainment value.
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Re: Jonathan's comments on Augeri

Postby ArmaniJeans » Thu Sep 14, 2006 3:32 am

Mandi wrote:After reading the comments made by JC, it does appear that Steve Augeri will not be returning to Journey. I know this is going to get me attacked and flamed, but I was holding out for the hope that he may get better and come back. I liked him. He made Journey fun for me. It does appear that RND was correct with his "inside" information, and I now believe what he says. Jeff is the new lead singer, that is a fact.
I read here alot, and so many of you have very strong opinions about Journey and the music. Most of your opinions are interesting and I can see many of you have a great knowledge of music and an insight to what this band is all about. I respect that.
I have a question, and I know I am setting myself up to be blasted, but I just can't remain silent on this any longer. Why the constant bashing of Steve Augeri? Its over for him. He didn't sing live at shows, probably because he simply couldn't do it any longer. Maybe he should have stepped down, but for reasons we really don't know of, he didn't. He and the rest of the band continued to put on concerts, and did what they could with a lead singer that was losing his ability to sing. I am not saying this was right, but maybe it was their only choice at that time. I believe Steve Augeri gave it his best shot, and maybe he hung in there, hoping his vocal problems would resolve with time. They didn't, and he is gone.
Why can't he be remembered for the eight years of contribution he made to Journey with a little more respect than what he is getting?? I understand how some of you feel cheated, but I don't feel that way. I attended many many concerts with Steve Augeri possibly singing live or maybe I was fooled. I paid to be entertained by Journey and I was entertained. Were all of you not entertained at the shows you attended?
I don't want to start trouble here, and I don't intend to stay and preach the virtues of SA. I just wonder why his years with the band are so maligned and so hated. Arrival is a great cd, Generations has some good songs on it. Surely those eight years he spent with Journey count for something good. I guess I don't like to see a person kicked when they are down, and I guess I feel he deserves more consideration than what he is presently getting.
That is just my opinion. Thanks for reading my post.
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I think there are two reasons for the Augeri hostilities:

1. Many people were very upset when Steve Perry was replaced, and as the replacing singer, he was constantly compared to Perry, and in many's eyes, fell short. Though he eventually either won over or was accepted by many fans, I think he carried that stigma with him throughout his time in Journey.

2. He lipsynced. Or he sang to track. Either way, for the price of a live concert tickets, fans felt cheated and betrayed. They came to show support and loyalty, and some feel they were lied to. In such a competitive industry, with so many talented singers just waiting for a chance to show their stuff, for the vets to cheat to stay in the game past their expiration date seems dishonorable to the industry and the fans.

I hold no hostility toward the guy; he's still making money off this tour, despite a poor decision and vocal problems. In the Annals of Rock History, he will be a footnote of how "not" to go out....
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Re: Jonathan comments on Augeri

Postby zino » Thu Sep 14, 2006 3:45 am

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Barb wrote:Cain, who joined Journey in 1981 when he left the power-pop band The Babys, has his own musical missions outside of Journey, as displayed on "Where I Live," his first solo record in 12 years. Far from the grandiose pop of Journey, Cain's solo outing is an intimate singer-songwriter record that would fit on a WYEP-like format alongside David Gray and Bruce Cockburn.


When was this new solo album released? I haven't read much about it...anybody here have it? Is it anything like "Back to the Innocence?"


I bought this album yesterday after I saw a big poster for it in the doorway to FYE ( more than I saw for the last two Journey CD's). Their is some good liner notes in here and a song JC says didn't make the generations CD and after i listened too it i can see why...not for me. This might be a once played cd. The duet for Faithfully is Ok at best
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Re: Jonathan's comments on Augeri

Postby Granny » Thu Sep 14, 2006 5:54 am

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Mandi wrote:I understand how some of you feel cheated, but I don't feel that way. I attended many many concerts with Steve Augeri possibly singing live or maybe I was fooled. I paid to be entertained by Journey and I was entertained.


THAT's THE POINT, Mandi! Bravo!

If you wanted to be entertained and you were then you got your money's worth. If you wanted to be anything else than entertained then why bother?

It's all about the entertainment value.


Saw the band on June23,06 in Camden,nj-flew up to philly( from South Carolina) and took my daughter to the show. It was awful. SA couldn't sing, kept going behind the piano and using an inhaler. Guess he was really sick. DeenC. has the most amazing voice. I didn't think anyone except Steve Perry could do justice to Mother, Father, but Deen brought tears to my eyes. Saw the band last Nov. 05 in Myrtle Beach--what an awesome show. SA sounded great and now I know why-he was lipping- but still I was entertained. He was very interactive with the audience and looked great. I flew my daughters down from Philly to SC for the show and they loved it also. HOB is a fantastic venue for a concert. Very intimate.
I also do not think he is coming back. I have not seen JSS-only heard him on some clips on the internet. I do not think he has THE SOUND for journey. He has a good voice, but not here.
I think the band is very talented and have many good years ahead of them if they make the right decisions. I know Neal has openly invited Steve Perry to sing with them, but how about a personal phone call from Neal to Steve. I'm not sure Perry wants to sing on stage with them, but who knows. A sincere call might just help. Just my personal opinion-don't jump all over me.
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Postby Abitaman » Thu Sep 14, 2006 7:15 am

Red13JoePa wrote:What's the big deal?

He meant SA trying to sing through the voice problems wasn't working, not SA as our lead singer wasn't working overall.


Red, have to agree with you, that is how I took it too. But it can go either way on that comment-ERIC
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Postby Mandi » Thu Sep 14, 2006 7:29 am

Friends of mine were at the Camden show in June. They reported that the entire band seemed "off". No energy, no smiles, just not themselves. I heard the same thing about SA having problems with his voice, too.
Could it be that was when they knew SA would be leaving? I often wonder about that. I did get to see them in June at Mohegan. Steve struggled, but sounded ok on most songs. Not great but ok. Also, the sound at that show was really bad. Very hard to hear the vocals. Was that done intentionally? I got to say hi to Steve after the show, and even his speaking voice sounded terrible. I wish I had known then that would be the last time I would see him perform, possibly. It makes me sad.

I will probably go see Jeff with Journey. I am familiar with his past work, and I agree that he has a powerful and rich voice. He seems like a nice guy, too. But for me, Journey began with Steve Augeri, and he is what I have come to love about this band. Don't bite me, I like Perry, too, but I was just never into them during the Perry years. There is no arguement that all the men of Journey, both past and present, are incredibly talented.

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Re: Jonathan comments on Augeri

Postby A Fire Inside » Thu Sep 14, 2006 7:34 am

Mandi wrote:I got to say hi to Steve after the show, and even his speaking voice sounded terrible. I wish I had known then that would be the last time I would see him perform, possibly. It makes me sad.

Consider yourself lucky, because I had a couple of shows I had already bought tickets for (one was even ILAA) and I never got to see him perform at ALL!
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Re: Jonathan's comments on Augeri

Postby Matthew » Thu Sep 14, 2006 8:10 am

FyreWyngz wrote:
Mandi wrote:I understand how some of you feel cheated, but I don't feel that way. I attended many many concerts with Steve Augeri possibly singing live or maybe I was fooled. I paid to be entertained by Journey and I was entertained.


THAT's THE POINT, Mandi! Bravo!

If you wanted to be entertained and you were then you got your money's worth. If you wanted to be anything else than entertained then why bother?

It's all about the entertainment value.



I paid money for my Journey ticket to be entertained and moved and inspired by a passionate and energetic LIVE performance. I didn't pay to be deceived. I didn't pay to watch five blokes standing there like they were bored to death in front of a cheap, unimaginative stage set.

The best thing about Augeri's departure is that maybe - just maybe - we'll hear the end of these endless excuses and justifications for the total collapse of the high standards this band used to have.

I hope the fans of JSS will be much more demanding than the Augeri followers ever have been.
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Re: Jonathan comments on Augeri

Postby Ms_M » Thu Sep 14, 2006 8:17 am

Monker wrote:
Barb wrote:Cain, who joined Journey in 1981 when he left the power-pop band The Babys, has his own musical missions outside of Journey, as displayed on "Where I Live," his first solo record in 12 years. Far from the grandiose pop of Journey, Cain's solo outing is an intimate singer-songwriter record that would fit on a WYEP-like format alongside David Gray and Bruce Cockburn.


When was this new solo album released? I haven't read much about it...anybody here have it? Is it anything like "Back to the Innocence?"


It is pretty similar. I just got it yesterday and have only had one listen. So far, so good!!
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Postby knox » Thu Sep 14, 2006 8:35 am

YOU SEE ???? THIS IS WHY I AM REFRAINING FROM THIS CRAP... :shock:

Jonathan knew EXACTLY what he was doing by being so vague in his comment. He thought "Ha, let's see those idiots argue about THIS for a while" all along knowing the truth.

They read all of this and laugh, guys. Don't you realize that? They know what they are doing, and are having fun with us - at OUR expense...

It is maniacal genius, I tell you :twisted: .

Gotta hand it to them, though. I am enjoying seeing the banter about this comment as well.
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Postby Lula » Thu Sep 14, 2006 8:38 am

knox wrote:YOU SEE ???? THIS IS WHY I AM REFRAINING FROM THIS CRAP... :shock:

Jonathan knew EXACTLY what he was doing by being so vague in his comment. He thought "Ha, let's see those idiots argue about THIS for a while" all along knowing the truth.

They read all of this and laugh, guys. Don't you realize that? They know what they are doing, and are having fun with us - at OUR expense...

It is maniacal genius, I tell you :twisted: .

Gotta hand it to them, though. I am enjoying seeing the banter about this comment as well.



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Postby Granny » Thu Sep 14, 2006 9:49 am



JOURNEY IS STILL JOURNEY AND I LOVE THEIR MUSIC OLD OR NEW. I GOT THE GENERATION CD LAST JUNE 05 AT THE SAN DIEGO SHOW WHICH WAS THE SECOND OF THAT TOUR. I THOUGHT THE FIRST 4 SONGS WERE GOOD. DIDN'T LIKE THE REST OF THEM.

They still need to get SP to sing or they are gone!!!! :(
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Re: Jonathan comments on Augeri

Postby larryfromnextdoor » Thu Sep 14, 2006 9:53 am

bufordt9 wrote:
JOURNEY IS STILL JOURNEY AND I LOVE THEIR MUSIC OLD OR NEW. I GOT THE GENERATION CD LAST JUNE 05 AT THE SAN DIEGO SHOW WHICH WAS THE SECOND OF THAT TOUR. I THOUGHT THE FIRST 4 SONGS WERE GOOD. DIDN'T LIKE THE REST OF THEM.

They still need to get SP to sing or they are gone!!!! :(
Rockin Granny

PS hope I am wrong!


confirming that u are wrong granny!! :lol: :lol: they have a singer now!! SP dont want any part of them , over, done........... so the journey continues with JSS,, he will bring it back to us.... give him time..
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Re: Jonathan's comments on Augeri

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Thu Sep 14, 2006 11:53 am

bufordt9 wrote:SA couldn't sing, kept going behind the piano and using an inhaler. Guess he was really sick.


Steve A. had been relying on an inhaler for some time...would take hits during occassional songs or so.
He was using it heavily during the 2004 tour.
As noted in MR.com's review of opening night in '05, Augeri was using it heavily then too.
Miraculously, after the first week of shows during the Generations tour he barely used it again.


Some professional singers on here have commented that it is probably steroids or antehistamine or something to that effect.
Others have claimed that Augeri suffers from asthma, but I think that is bogus.
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Postby yulog » Thu Sep 14, 2006 12:43 pm

The majority of inhalers on the market are for asthma steroid inhalers help relieve asthma but also can cause a condition called oral thrush which can be a voice nightmare i never saw Steve A use an inhaler but if he is asthmatic i dont know how he could sing period and if he was using inhalers the side effects could have caused his vocal troubles.





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Postby Ms_M » Thu Sep 14, 2006 12:51 pm

yulog wrote:The majority of inhalers on the market are for asthma steroid inhalers help relieve asthma but also can cause a condition called oral thrush which can be a voice nightmare i never saw Steve A use an inhaler but if he is asthmatic i dont know how he could sing period and if he was using inhalers the side effects could have caused his vocal troubles.





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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Thu Sep 14, 2006 12:52 pm

yulog wrote:The majority of inhalers on the market are for asthma steroid inhalers help relieve asthma but also can cause a condition called oral thrush which can be a voice nightmare i never saw Steve A use an inhaler but if he is asthmatic i dont know how he could sing period and if he was using inhalers the side effects could have caused his vocal troubles.


Jeremy is the all-things-singing-related guru on this forum.
He believed Augeri's inhaler was a steroid inhaler for singing purposes.
I am iffy on the details.
Maybe he will grace us with his presence.
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Postby Wheels Of Fyre » Thu Sep 14, 2006 1:21 pm

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
yulog wrote:The majority of inhalers on the market are for asthma steroid inhalers help relieve asthma but also can cause a condition called oral thrush which can be a voice nightmare i never saw Steve A use an inhaler but if he is asthmatic i dont know how he could sing period and if he was using inhalers the side effects could have caused his vocal troubles.


Jeremy is the all-things-singing-related guru on this forum.
He believed Augeri's inhaler was a steroid inhaler for singing purposes.
I am iffy on the details.
Maybe he will grace us with his presence.


First, asthma can be controlled. Jerome Bettis has asthma and he was a human wrecking ball.As for myself, I only played high school football and was very under-sized BUT powerful. I weighed 140 lbs soaking wet but warmed up with 185 on the bench and finished with 250 for at least 5 reps - WITH ASTHMA. I ran a 4.6/40 dash, too. My parents both smoked HEAVILY and I was ALWAYS in discomfort at home. I recall riding my bike back and forth to 2-a-day workouts in the boiling sun. That was over 20 years ago and my asthma has improved. I've used non-prescription inhalers for years and they !@#$&* BURN the back of the throat.

Opera singers and stage people will tell you that the best thing for a singer is to eat foods that don't generate mucous such as dairy.
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Postby Calbear94 » Thu Sep 14, 2006 1:45 pm

NealIsGod wrote:Yeah, sounds like they had a problem with Augie's energy level as well as his voice.



I didn't take that as a dig against Augeri, but rather a way of complimenting JSS. He knows that he can't come and say that Jeff can sing same style as Steve Perry, something that Augeri could do quite competently, so he gives Jeff the best compliment he can. Since Jeff is a young, hard-rock singer...."energy" was the most logical compliment to give.
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Postby Carlitto H@kk » Thu Sep 14, 2006 1:46 pm

The_Noble_Cause wrote:Jeremy is the all-things-singing-related guru on this forum.
He believed Augeri's inhaler was a steroid inhaler for singing purposes.
I am iffy on the details.
Maybe he will grace us with his presence.


Holy Shit!!! Augeri was on "The Juice"??? Did he have the same personal trainer as Bonds??? I gotta email Cowherd about this one, he'll love it...

Judging from the way Augeri looks and how he sounded towards the end... He got ripped off!
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Postby Natalie » Thu Sep 14, 2006 1:49 pm

Carlitto H@kk wrote:
The_Noble_Cause wrote:Jeremy is the all-things-singing-related guru on this forum.
He believed Augeri's inhaler was a steroid inhaler for singing purposes.
I am iffy on the details.
Maybe he will grace us with his presence.


Holy Shit!!! Augeri was on "The Juice"??? Did he have the same personal trainer as Bonds??? I gotta email Cowherd about this one, he'll love it...

Judging from the way Augeri looks and how he sounded towards the end... He got ripped off!

Different kind of steroids, Sweetie. :wink:
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Postby Carlitto H@kk » Thu Sep 14, 2006 2:10 pm

NJT At Your Cervix wrote:
Carlitto H@kk wrote:
The_Noble_Cause wrote:Jeremy is the all-things-singing-related guru on this forum.
He believed Augeri's inhaler was a steroid inhaler for singing purposes.
I am iffy on the details.
Maybe he will grace us with his presence.


Holy Shit!!! Augeri was on "The Juice"??? Did he have the same personal trainer as Bonds??? I gotta email Cowherd about this one, he'll love it...

Judging from the way Augeri looks and how he sounded towards the end... He got ripped off!

Different kind of steroids, Sweetie. :wink:


D'aaahhh :lol:
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Postby Rockindeano » Thu Sep 14, 2006 2:13 pm

yulog wrote:The majority of inhalers on the market are for asthma steroid inhalers help relieve asthma but also can cause a condition called oral thrush which can be a voice nightmare i never saw Steve A use an inhaler but if he is asthmatic i dont know how he could sing period and if he was using inhalers the side effects could have caused his vocal troubles.





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Postby Monker » Thu Sep 14, 2006 2:18 pm

Eric wrote:Lula,

It is quite clear that their official site, their management and the band itself are operating completely independent of each other.


Yep...and who's to say that after this tour that the band doesn't break up? Just a thought that hasn't been considered much.
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Postby Andrew » Thu Sep 14, 2006 2:20 pm

Monker wrote:
Yep...and who's to say that after this tour that the band doesn't break up?


That will certanly NOT be happening.
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Postby RedWingFan » Thu Sep 14, 2006 2:25 pm

Andrew wrote:
Monker wrote:
Yep...and who's to say that after this tour that the band doesn't break up?


That will certanly NOT be happening.

Yeah, probably not. And on a related note, anyone going to catch the Evander Holyfield fight on Fox Sports Net? :shock:
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Postby Monker » Thu Sep 14, 2006 2:34 pm

yulog wrote:The majority of inhalers on the market are for asthma steroid inhalers help relieve asthma but also can cause a condition called oral thrush which can be a voice nightmare i never saw Steve A use an inhaler but if he is asthmatic i dont know how he could sing period and if he was using inhalers the side effects could have caused his vocal troubles.

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Lots of speculation...

I've had asthma for years. Sometimes you have absolutely no symtoms at all, sometimes you can barely walk across the room.

I've NEVER used a steroid inhaler...I use albuterol.

There are also other ways to treat asthma, such as a nebulizer...also albuterol.

So, he may have a steroid inhaler...but, probably only if his asthma is pretty chronic. The days he was 'fine' could be that his asthma wasn't affecting him at all, or he took a nebulizer treatment before the concert.

The bottom line is we don't know...I see no reason to believe it's not possible, and no reason to believe he has asthma for a fact.
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Postby Monker » Thu Sep 14, 2006 2:35 pm

FyreWyngz wrote:
The_Noble_Cause wrote:
yulog wrote:The majority of inhalers on the market are for asthma steroid inhalers help relieve asthma but also can cause a condition called oral thrush which can be a voice nightmare i never saw Steve A use an inhaler but if he is asthmatic i dont know how he could sing period and if he was using inhalers the side effects could have caused his vocal troubles.


Jeremy is the all-things-singing-related guru on this forum.
He believed Augeri's inhaler was a steroid inhaler for singing purposes.
I am iffy on the details.
Maybe he will grace us with his presence.


First, asthma can be controlled. Jerome Bettis has asthma and he was a human wrecking ball.As for myself, I only played high school football and was very under-sized BUT powerful. I weighed 140 lbs soaking wet but warmed up with 185 on the bench and finished with 250 for at least 5 reps - WITH ASTHMA. I ran a 4.6/40 dash, too. My parents both smoked HEAVILY and I was ALWAYS in discomfort at home. I recall riding my bike back and forth to 2-a-day workouts in the boiling sun. That was over 20 years ago and my asthma has improved. I've used non-prescription inhalers for years and they !@#$&* BURN the back of the throat.

Opera singers and stage people will tell you that the best thing for a singer is to eat foods that don't generate mucous such as dairy.


But, I bet if your asthma was triggered, I bet you were very much NOT a human wrecking ball.
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Re: Jonathan comments on Augeri

Postby Monker » Thu Sep 14, 2006 2:38 pm

Andrew wrote:
Monker wrote:
Yep...and who's to say that after this tour that the band doesn't break up?


That will certanly NOT be happening.


That's what many people said about a Journey reunion with Perry before TBF.

I'm not saying it's going to...But, I'm not going to be at all suprised if it does.
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