I JUST DON'T GET IT

[The_Noble_Cause]

If Deano could curb some of these outbursts and extreme behaviour I'm sure he might occasionally have something valuable to say. Unfortunately most of his points get lost in obsenities.

Deano did precisely just that for years over at BT.
He was quite the gentleman over there, and you fascist automatons went ahead and banned him anyways!

[Rockindeano]

Don't blame others for your own actions.

Have I ever blamed anyone for anything on here?

It's YOUR inability to let things go that causes you to reply.

Ok, Mother.

[Rockindeano]

I've never taken issue with your 'facts', even though they are often contradictory, and thus obviously include some element of BS. My main issue with your posts is with the delivery and attitude to others.

And by the way, you graciously made my point by exhibiting every one of the characteristics I mentioned, all in the space of three sentences.

Marty

Lula says you and your wife are extremely nice people, and I don't doubt that. Look, this board is Honest. Like Herbie, sometimes you need to use language a little stronger than "dang" and "heck." If you cannot handle it, go back over to BT. NO ONE is forcing you to stay here.

[MartyMoffatt]

Thanks Lula for the kind comments. Deano, I can certainly 'handle it', but that's not the same as accepting or agreeing with it. And I don't have a problem with strong language and strong opinions - in context. It's your gratuitous abuse I find unacceptable, and I'll continue to comment on it here as I see fit.

I don't intend to get into a war of words, so I'll leave it there. Otherwise it'll turn into another pointless debate, and there are much better subjects that could be getting discussed on this board.

Marty

[Rockindeano]

Dude, you don't have to get all English on me. What's next, you gonna spank me?

[MartyMoffatt]

If Deano could curb some of these outbursts and extreme behaviour I'm sure he might occasionally have something valuable to say. Unfortunately most of his points get lost in obsenities.

Deano did precisely just that for years over at BT.
He was quite the gentleman over there, and you fascist automatons went ahead and banned him anyways!

Huh??

I've only been on BT for a couple of years and I've never knowingly seen any posts of his there. I'm not a fascist, don't think I'm an automaton and have never had any means or desire to ban anybody, so if your comment was aimed at me it was sadly misplaced. Sorry.

Marty

[Rockindeano]

I was Vancouverdude over there. NEVER once uttered a swear word or any abuse. I was a total gentleman.

[Matthew]

I just think it's pretty sad.

No, not the fact that this board is home to a foul mouthed, agressive, racist, xenophobic, chauventistic, ego-centric, domineering, insulting, loud and disrespectful person such as Deano, nor the fact that he is allowed to continue posting here. OK, sometimes his sarcasm can be funny, but that doesn't excuse all his other less desirable characteristics (and every one of the above characteristics is exhibited by Deano on a regular basis).

What I find even sadder is the fact that several people on this forum hero worship him and make excuses for his little outbursts and accept without question that it is reasonable for him to insult anybody he comes into contact with.

If Deano could curb some of these outbursts and extreme behaviour I'm sure he might occasionally have something valuable to say. Unfortunately most of his points get lost in obsenities.

Sad.

Marty

Marty - I like the photographs and everything - but your sanctimonious lectures are a bit of a drag, to be honest.
This last one reads like a school report...

Why do you visit this site? I suspect it must be because this board offers a release from the stifling atmosphere of the 'controlled environment' at BT. Yet when you arrive here....you present yourself as a man who is too mature for the culture of this site.

It seems to me that you should either lighten up and enjoy this site for what it is - or stay at BT where all the "foul mouthed, agressive, racist, xenophobic, chauventistic, ego-centric, domineering, insulting, loud and disrespectful" behaviour is repressed.

Just a thought....

[Matthew]

when will this ever stop?

*sigh*

Probably until Journey deal with the issue and make an official announcement about a new singer...

That's not going to change anything HERE. Most people here already know that's going to happen. In fact, I think that announcement will make it WORSE.

Do you think so? It seems that most of the Augeri fans on this site have moved on incredibly quickly and seem content with JSS being in the band. I reckon it's much more likely that Augeri will become 'the forgotten man' of Journey rather than a source of controversy for years to come.

The fact is Augeri was caught lip-synching and he is still a member of the band. He hasn't been officially fired. Journey haven't commented on the use of tapes. The process of 'justice being done' hasn't yet been seen through to the end - and the fans who still care passionately about post-Perry Journey are in a state of limbo. It's no wonder that there's still so much speculation and resentment. So I think an announcement will make it better. We'll see...

[Mandi]

Hmmmm, interesting point. The "forgotten man of Journey".
Maybe JC will write a ballad about him.

Think I'll go listen to Remember Me now.

Mandi

[Andrew]

when will this ever stop?

*sigh*

Did I bring it up? I want to never have to talk about it again, but everyday there is a new thread about it.

I agree....too many same old threads...

But - Deano, if you perhaps can stop the cussing of Ageri's name each time you post, perhaps them the forum in general can try and move on from this and concentrate on the positives coming from the band right now.

[treetopovskaya]

can't we all just get along? }:C)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECDCty_qpSE

[Andrew]

This is Andrew's board, and he controls who can be allowed to say what here. Its very obvious that certain posters have free reign, and others do not. This makes me wonder about who a certain person's so-called "sources" are. That too, is obvious.
There is clearly a close bond between Andrew, RND and Jss, and that's fine. It is what it is.

I do my best to see that EVERYONE gets a say and a chance to say whatever they want without too much cencorship or closing of threads.

That said, no-one has a free reign. I work hard at trying to calm people's tensions and ssues between certain posters. Some respect my wishes, others make my life a little harder than they should.

[Vladan]

If Deano could curb some of these outbursts and extreme behaviour I'm sure he might occasionally have something valuable to say. Unfortunately most of his points get lost in obsenities.

Deano did precisely just that for years over at BT.
He was quite the gentleman over there, and you fascist automatons went ahead and banned him anyways!

Yeah figured as much. Well! I was banned 2 weeks ago again! for asking a simple question. I was then personaly insulted by a female poster. She insulted this whole forum and called us all 2 faced. I simply replied to her saying "why did you insult me, why is this personal now" "why is MR being brought into this?, " this is not very nice". I then kindly apologised to her for the confusion if she made any, apparantly there wasn''t any.

It is outragous for somebody to personaly attack me because I asked a question!. My question had nothing to do with anyone there!. Then I was told that I was put on a holiday by the moderator there... I didn't argue, I feel cheated. I feel like because somebody had a bad day, time of the month... whatever, that we have to sit there and take it on the chin like a pack of gimps.

PS,
Cry me a river Vlad

[Andrew]

Andrew allows it to continue.

.

Just as I allow you to post whatever you want.

[Matthew]

Hmmmm, interesting point. The "forgotten man of Journey".
Maybe JC will write a ballad about him.

Think I'll go listen to Remember Me now.

Mandi

[Andrew]

I liked your post alot, Zino. You have made some excellent points.

This is Andrew's board, and he controls who can be allowed to say what here. Its very obvious that certain posters have free reign, and others do not. This makes me wonder about who a certain person's so-called "sources" are. That too, is obvious.
There is clearly a close bond between Andrew, RND and Jss, and that's fine. It is what it is.

Ummm, leave me outta this, the only bond to Deano is i laugh at some of his sarcasm & the fact is I am nice/unbiased to about anyone...unless they cross me! Other than that, he is as much a stranger as you are to me.

Now, errm....let's get back to the music!

I must also comment on this. JSS is a long time bud and someone who I have the utmost respect for as an artist and an all-round good guy.
I have been a fan since I started this site and along the way we have become great friends.

Deano I have never met but have had a lot of dealings with via this board as I am in constant need to moderate his contributions to the board.
A lot of people love what he posts...a lot don't.

I try and allow everyone a voice here....just don't paint me into any particular corner based on the contents of this forum.

[Rockindeano]

Andrew allows it to continue.

.

Just as I allow you to post whatever you want.

Translated: Monker is an asshole, err vagina!

[NYConnie]

I make strong points, and guess what, I am the guy responsible for the NEW Journey, and THAT is a good thing.

...wait...what??? how were you responsible?? I must have missed that press release...

[Rockindeano]

I make strong points, and guess what, I am the guy responsible for the NEW Journey, and THAT is a good thing.

...wait...what??? how were you responsible?? I must have missed that press release...

Sorry, but it's true. I am personally responsible for the change. End of story. I mean, I am anything but self centered, but come on? I am the guy who did this.

[jrnyfan86]

Are we there yet.

[Natalie]

Are we there yet.

Welcome jrnyfan86!

Oh no, we are no where near there yet. In fact, it seems that we are just pulling out of the driveway! Grab a coke and some popcorn and have a seat with the rest of us.

[Crazie Scarab]

Ummm, leave me outta this, the only bond to Deano is i laugh at some of his sarcasm & the fact is I am nice/unbiased to about anyone...unless they cross me! Other than that, he is as much a stranger as you are to me.

Now, errm....let's get back to the music!

Nice! Thanks for the clarification Jeff! I had that gut feeling! LOL

Now, back to a little more of.. "Lost In The Translation!"

Rock on, bro & thanks for everything!

[MartyMoffatt]

Marty - I like the photographs and everything - but your sanctimonious lectures are a bit of a drag, to be honest.
This last one reads like a school report...

Why do you visit this site? I suspect it must be because this board offers a release from the stifling atmosphere of the 'controlled environment' at BT. Yet when you arrive here....you present yourself as a man who is too mature for the culture of this site.

It seems to me that you should either lighten up and enjoy this site for what it is - or stay at BT where all the "foul mouthed, agressive, racist, xenophobic, chauventistic, ego-centric, domineering, insulting, loud and disrespectful" behaviour is repressed.

Just a thought....

Sorry, it wasn't meant to sound like a lecture. But let me get this straight. Are you saying that you think all the 'foul mouthed, agressive.....' stuff is desirable behaviour here? Oh, OK.

I visit this site, along with half a dozen other boards, because it does occasionally prove informative and have reasoned debates, about a subject in which I am interested. But, like the other sites, I don't necessarily like everything that goes on, and I reserve the right to comment on those aspects I think could and should be improved. I don't think I'm too mature for the culture of the site, just more mature than the handful of people who seem intent on dragging that culture down to childish levels.

And I don't understand why every response to me goes along the lines of 'go back to BT'. Sure, I spend some time there, but there are aspects of that site I don't particularly care for too. BT also has threads that sometimes descend into childish mud-slinging (although it manages to avoid most of the characteristics described above), but it amazes me that so many people here are obsessed with BT and are convinced it represents everything that is bad. It doesn't.

Marty

[bionic]

How come Deano must make evrey thread with the mention of the word Augeri into a profane, attack on him and all the people that even mention his name. We get the point you don't like him, you might even hate him, hat the fact at what he did. We all get that you have been singing the same song the last few months. Can anyone just mention the fact that they saw Augeri at the show and that be it, NO it becomes an attack from the know it all. I have asked you before how you have gotten such information on the band or how you got ahold of Augeris demo tapes when he sang the first time for Journey bak in 98. No response if you want more credability in my eyes it would be better too tell all your source of information. You have alos told me before that you have no source, I find this hard too believe. You will probably launch a profantiy laced attack on me for putting this out there but, for the most part people are here for information on the band, too discuss shows, and there opinons on the band. Not too attack someone for there thoughts, and before you say it I have only posted at BT 8-10 times and I prefer this board. But what gives you the right too attack every person that metions Augeris name, the fact that you have over 7000 posts... that you can put on your resume. For the record I am not happy what Augeri did either and it kindda upset me but I didn't let it ruin my day, I accepted it and let the band move on...though they could of quicker and made some type of real announcement, and I know enjoy JSS singing for the band. Augeri had his time without him we would of had no Journey.. we could of been in the same place as 87-96. I was a fan of Arrival, but Red 13 and Generations did nothing for me. augeri proably overstayed in the band this last year, I didn't think his performance last year on the 30th anniversary tour was no where as good as his previous.






Anyway too wrap this up and wait for DEANO to call me every name in the book, I just ask wgo gave you the power too rule this board?? This a a fans board and you are way over the top, and you will say honest and I can agree with that, but you are also personely, vulgar and out of line at times. There are more polite ways to express your points ( and most are vaild) but you take it too a new level.

Hello Marty i understand were you are coming from but if like Deano you have payed for something and feel ripped off and have not had your money back you will vent! Belive me if i had known what i know now regarding Augeri i would not have travelled to Manchester and waisted time and money,plus wrote a review saying how good the band were! I feel cheated and let down.People react diffrent i suppose,though i am not defending Deano some people will feel this way if they are let down.
In regard to sources i feel you should never reveal them.I knew about the tapes before i had evan heard of Deano plus i knew Jeff was in a week or so before it was announced and that Jeff is the new singer(some of these things got me suspended from BT) but i would never reveal my sources.I do not expect Deano to as they may have told him in confidence.
Dont take it to heart let the guy feel the way he does thats his right,many many people dont hate Steve,me for one,just feel all his hard work was for nothing

[McNeil]

I just ask wgo gave you the power too rule this board??

Two things do it:

Andrew allows it to continue.
His 'fans' prop up and support his behavior.

The same goes for several other people here.

yup... bout sums it up!!

[McNeil]

Marty - I like the photographs and everything - but your sanctimonious lectures are a bit of a drag, to be honest.
This last one reads like a school report...

Why do you visit this site? I suspect it must be because this board offers a release from the stifling atmosphere of the 'controlled environment' at BT. Yet when you arrive here....you present yourself as a man who is too mature for the culture of this site.

It seems to me that you should either lighten up and enjoy this site for what it is - or stay at BT where all the "foul mouthed, agressive, racist, xenophobic, chauventistic, ego-centric, domineering, insulting, loud and disrespectful" behaviour is repressed.

Just a thought....

Sorry, it wasn't meant to sound like a lecture. But let me get this straight. Are you saying that you think all the 'foul mouthed, agressive.....' stuff is desirable behaviour here? Oh, OK.

I visit this site, along with half a dozen other boards, because it does occasionally prove informative and have reasoned debates, about a subject in which I am interested. But, like the other sites, I don't necessarily like everything that goes on, and I reserve the right to comment on those aspects I think could and should be improved. I don't think I'm too mature for the culture of the site, just more mature than the handful of people who seem intent on dragging that culture down to childish levels.

And I don't understand why every response to me goes along the lines of 'go back to BT'. Sure, I spend some time there, but there are aspects of that site I don't particularly care for too. BT also has threads that sometimes descend into childish mud-slinging (although it manages to avoid most of the characteristics described above), but it amazes me that so many people here are obsessed with BT and are convinced it represents everything that is bad. It doesn't.

Marty

keep on posting Marty.... u r one of the more sensible ones here!!

[McNeil]

I make strong points, and guess what, I am the guy responsible for the NEW Journey, and THAT is a good thing.

...wait...what??? how were you responsible?? I must have missed that press release...

Haha.. this Deano guy needs to see a frikkin shrink pretty quickly... order the straight jacket ASAP, and I will gladly administer the tranquilising darts!! ffs.... does this freak have a "god" complex or what??????????????????????

[yulog]

Augeri............augeri.........................Augeri...see that Deano doesnt slam


damn it he found me again

[Matthew]

Sorry, it wasn't meant to sound like a lecture.

Sorry if I was sounding irritable...

Are you saying that you think all the 'foul mouthed, agressive.....' stuff is desirable behaviour here? Oh, OK.

I'm saying that this is the only Journey forum I've been to where people have the freedom to express themselves. This is what I like about this site. Sometimes the "foul-mouthed aggressive behaviour" is hilarious. Sometimes it isn't. But no - I don't find it offensive and if I did...I have the option off logging off the site.

What I find offensive is being patronized by a controlling moderator...being told what I can or cannot say...being sent warnings and having posts deleted.

I reserve the right to comment on those aspects I think could and should be improved.

Yes, of course. But how would you improve it? Who "could and should" carry out these improvements? You've said before that you don't want to anyone to be banned or have posts deleted - so how would you create the culture you do find desirable without the forum becoming sickly-sweet and bloodless like BT?

I don't think I'm too mature for the culture of the site, just more mature than the handful of people who seem intent on dragging that culture down to childish levels.

Surely the really mature thing is to recognise that it is essentially quite childish to spend time talking on a messageboard about a rock band?

And I don't understand why every response to me goes along the lines of 'go back to BT'.

I also suggested that you lighten up and enjoy this site for what it is.

It amazes me that so many people here are obsessed with BT and are convinced it represents everything that is bad. It doesn't.

Well, bear in mind that many, many people here have been banned from that site without ever having used foul-language so this might explain the resentment. If it was any old Journey site then no-one would care. But it is the Official Site of the band - and the moderators there have managed to alienate a signicant section of Journey's internet fan base. That's what I find amazing.