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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Mon Oct 30, 2006 8:11 am

Andrew wrote:12 great songs.

BIG sound.

1 singer.

= Classic.


Deen's voice is simply too good to squander.
Album continuity be damned!

Also, a return to Perry/Rolie lead singer/keyboardist vocal trade-offs is waaaaaay overdue.
The fans are hungry for this. Trust me.
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Postby Andrew » Mon Oct 30, 2006 8:15 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
Andrew wrote:12 great songs.

BIG sound.

1 singer.

= Classic.


Deen's voice is simply too good to squander.
Album continuity be damned!


Perhaps a duet? But in any regard - MONSTER harmony vocals EVERY song :)
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Postby fredinator » Mon Oct 30, 2006 8:23 am

Hurray!! If that is what is coming, then it will be awesome--Journey's harmonies are beautiful!!
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Postby Andrew » Mon Oct 30, 2006 8:27 am

Actually, my comments on this issue are just my own hopes...nothing factual! :)

But - I hope it does pan out that way...I know the next album WILL be a classic.
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Postby jrnysc » Mon Oct 30, 2006 8:31 am

Andrew wrote:Actually, my comments on this issue are just my own hopes...nothing factual! :)

But - I hope it does pan out that way...I know the next album WILL be a classic.


Andrew. I know you don't want to say much yet, however can you comment if there are any current talks about planning another album? I was afraid Generations may be the last new material we would have to enjoy.
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Postby Andrew » Mon Oct 30, 2006 8:35 am

Yes, there is talk of the next record for the band.
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Postby jrnysc » Mon Oct 30, 2006 8:36 am

Andrew wrote:Yes, there is talk of the next record for the band.


The news just gets better and better!!! You da man!! :P
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Postby Rockindeano » Mon Oct 30, 2006 8:40 am

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Andrew wrote:Yes, there is talk of the next record for the band.


The news just gets better and better!!! You da man!! :P


Oh and I am shit?
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Postby Matthew » Mon Oct 30, 2006 8:40 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:Deen's voice is simply too good to squander.
Album continuity be damned!



I agree TNC. Deen needs to have a minimum of three songs all to himself on the next album.
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Postby jrnysc » Mon Oct 30, 2006 8:42 am

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jrnysc wrote:
Andrew wrote:Yes, there is talk of the next record for the band.


The news just gets better and better!!! You da man!! :P


Oh and I am shit?


No dude. I will be the first to say you broke all this quite a while ago. I didn't mean it that way.
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Postby jrnysc » Mon Oct 30, 2006 8:44 am

jrnysc wrote:
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jrnysc wrote:
Andrew wrote:Yes, there is talk of the next record for the band.


The news just gets better and better!!! You da man!! :P


Oh and I am shit?


No dude. I will be the first to say you broke all this quite a while ago. I didn't mean it that way.


I am anxious to hear more details. But then again, aren't we all!! Kinda sucks for those of us not in the know. A couple of things seem to have been confirmed though, and those are probably the most important.
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Postby Andrew » Mon Oct 30, 2006 8:53 am

Matthew wrote:
The_Noble_Cause wrote:Deen's voice is simply too good to squander.
Album continuity be damned!



I agree TNC. Deen needs to have a minimum of three songs all to himself on the next album.


I love Deen - adore his voice - but I think that would kill the flow of the album too much. Next record needs to be super cohesive and a monster. I think Deen would be KILLER adding extra solo harmonies and the odd solo line here and the such as what Toto did on Falling In Between with all their vocalists (which really worked for variou sreasons on that record). And of course massive backing vocals....

That said, Never Too Late was my fav song from Generations.
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Mon Oct 30, 2006 8:55 am

Andrew wrote:I know the next album WILL be a classic.


Of course it will be.
One of the most pivotal ingredients to being a rock band has finally returned: songwriting chemistry.
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Postby Rockindeano » Mon Oct 30, 2006 8:56 am

Andrew wrote:
Matthew wrote:
The_Noble_Cause wrote:Deen's voice is simply too good to squander.
Album continuity be damned!



I agree TNC. Deen needs to have a minimum of three songs all to himself on the next album.


I love Deen - adore his voice - but I think that would kill the flow of the album too much. Next record needs to be super cohesive and a monster. I think Deen would be KILLER adding extra solo harmonies and the odd solo line here and the such as what Toto did on Falling In Between with all their vocalists (which really worked for variou sreasons on that record). And of course massive backing vocals....

That said, Never Too Late was my fav song from Generations.


I agree.

Let's not spin this Andrew. I know you need to be diplomatic but I don't have to. The next record needs to tell people, "we have a NEW singer. here HE is."

Need to take Deen out of the next one. Some will say, "but the Deen guy has a better voice" or "I like Deen's voice better." Some will say they like Jeffs. It doesn't matter. it is a JOURNEY record, and Journey only has ONE lead singer.

Next CD has 12+ or more solid tunes, all sung by JSS.

Ok, now go fucking record it.
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Postby jrnysc » Mon Oct 30, 2006 9:00 am

Rockin'Deano wrote:
Andrew wrote:
Matthew wrote:
The_Noble_Cause wrote:Deen's voice is simply too good to squander.
Album continuity be damned!



I agree TNC. Deen needs to have a minimum of three songs all to himself on the next album.


I love Deen - adore his voice - but I think that would kill the flow of the album too much. Next record needs to be super cohesive and a monster. I think Deen would be KILLER adding extra solo harmonies and the odd solo line here and the such as what Toto did on Falling In Between with all their vocalists (which really worked for variou sreasons on that record). And of course massive backing vocals....

That said, Never Too Late was my fav song from Generations.


I agree.

Let's not spin this Andrew. I know you need to be diplomatic but I don't have to. The next record needs to tell people, "we have a NEW singer. here HE is."

Need to take Deen out of the next one. Some will say, "but the Deen guy has a better voice" or "I like Deen's voice better." Some will say they like Jeffs. It doesn't matter. it is a JOURNEY record, and Journey only has ONE lead singer.

Next CD has 12+ or more solid tunes, all sung by JSS.

Ok, now go fucking record it.


Deano. Have you ever been compared to Herbie Herbert? Some of your responses are like what you would expect to see from him. And, look what he did for Journey. He beat doors down making sure they got noticed. Gotta love it!! :lol:
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Postby Matthew » Mon Oct 30, 2006 9:00 am

Andrew wrote:
Matthew wrote:
The_Noble_Cause wrote:Deen's voice is simply too good to squander.
Album continuity be damned!



I agree TNC. Deen needs to have a minimum of three songs all to himself on the next album.


I love Deen - adore his voice - but I think that would kill the flow of the album too much. Next record needs to be super cohesive and a monster. I think Deen would be KILLER adding extra solo harmonies and the odd solo line here and the such as what Toto did on Falling In Between with all their vocalists (which really worked for variou sreasons on that record). And of course massive backing vocals....

That said, Never Too Late was my fav song from Generations.



I guess it would be difficult to feature Deen on lead and create a cohesive album. But KISS managed it...and so did The Cars, America and CSN too....and even System of a Down have started to use the guitarist on lead vocals.

So it can be done...
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Postby Deb » Mon Oct 30, 2006 9:04 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
Andrew wrote:12 great songs.

BIG sound.

1 singer.

= Classic.


Deen's voice is simply too good to squander.
Album continuity be damned!

Also, a return to Perry/Rolie lead singer/keyboardist vocal trade-offs is waaaaaay overdue.
The fans are hungry for this. Trust me.


Agree!
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Mon Oct 30, 2006 9:07 am

Rockin'Deano wrote:is a JOURNEY record, and Journey only has ONE lead singer.


No, egomaniacal Perry-Journey only had one singer.
"Departure" featured both Gregg and Neal sharing the spotlight.

Jeff, Jon, and Deen should work out some sort of vocal trade-off.
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Postby Andrew » Mon Oct 30, 2006 9:07 am

One singer. That's my call for the next album.
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Postby Deb » Mon Oct 30, 2006 9:10 am

Andrew wrote:One singer. That's my call for the next album.


LOL, ok then the next one after that should have some JSS/Deen vocals a la Rolie/Perry.
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Mon Oct 30, 2006 9:11 am

Andrew wrote:That's my call for the next album.


And quite a dunderheaded one at that.


How vain are you and Deano?
You both truly think Jeff's ego is gonna take a bruising if he doesn't hog the entire album?
The band is bigger than that.

The initial Perry-fronted albums had Perry sharing vocal duties and it did nothing to dull the luster of his celebrity.

Jeff will be showered in accolades regardless if he shares a song or two.
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Postby Matthew » Mon Oct 30, 2006 9:13 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
Rockin'Deano wrote:is a JOURNEY record, and Journey only has ONE lead singer.


No, egomaniacal Perry-Journey only had one singer.
"Departure" featured both Gregg and Neal sharing the spotlight.

Jeff, Jon, and Deen should work out some sort of vocal trade-off.



Jon? I don't think so....
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Mon Oct 30, 2006 9:14 am

Matthew wrote:Jon? I don't think so....


Why not?
He handles Rolie's portions of FTW and Anytime.
If he stays within his range he'll be fine.
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Postby A Fire Inside » Mon Oct 30, 2006 9:14 am

A Jeff and Deen duet a la Perry/Rolie would be killer...
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Postby Matthew » Mon Oct 30, 2006 9:20 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
Matthew wrote:Jon? I don't think so....


Why not?
He handles Rolie's portions of FTW and Anytime.
If he stays within his range he'll be fine.



I'm all for Cain doing backing vocals...but I think that having three lead vocals would be pushing it...and Cain has a fairly weak voice compared to Deen and Jeff.
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Postby Matthew » Mon Oct 30, 2006 9:21 am

A Fire Inside wrote:A Jeff and Deen duet a la Perry/Rolie would be killer...



Deen's voice is so much better than Rolie's...to my ears, anyway...
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Mon Oct 30, 2006 9:22 am

Matthew wrote:.........but I think that having three lead vocals would be pushing it.


But nobody said three lead vocals.
We're discussing "vocal trade-offs" and "duets".
Like in the early Perry days.

Jeff would remain the focal point of the album.
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Postby Andrew » Mon Oct 30, 2006 9:28 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:You both truly think Jeff's ego is gonna take a bruising if he doesn't hog the entire album?
The band is bigger than that.



Dude!

Whoa there.....hold up.

I never made ANY reference to how JS feels....he - FOR THE RECORD - loves Deen's singing and loves watching him do the 2 ballads each show.

On this particular matter, I have simply stated my view, as multiple vocalist albums are notoriously fickle to arrange and work out.
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Postby Andrew » Mon Oct 30, 2006 9:29 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
Matthew wrote:.........but I think that having three lead vocals would be pushing it.


But nobody said three lead vocals.
We're discussing "vocal trade-offs" and "duets".
Like in the early Perry days.

Jeff would remain the focal point of the album.


Now we are on the same-(ish) page. But not too many duets....maybe one...again, cohesive flow is what I PERSONALLY would love to hear. Generations was good, but all over the place with the continual swapping of vocalists.
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Mon Oct 30, 2006 9:34 am

Andrew wrote:Dude!

Whoa there.....hold up.

I never made ANY reference to how JS feels....he - FOR THE RECORD - loves Deen's singing and loves watching him do the 2 ballads each show.


JSS seems like a straight shooter and very down to earth.
Despite my statement, I never thought him to be a fussy primadonna in the mold of Perry.

On this particular matter, I have simply stated my view, as multiple vocalist albums are notoriously fickle to arrange and work out.


Dude, we're talking one or two songs here max.
The band shouldn't strive to replicate the one singer formula of Escape or any previous succesful template.

They should strive to do whatever comes naturally for the band, and right now, that is clearly having more than one singer.
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