The Cat Appears Certainly To Be Out of the Bag....

[Lula]

it wasn't in response to you Lula, you didn't say it, Mandi I think did. And as far as I know, Neal wasn't invited to RnRHOF, you're right.

MSR, I think you are right. Rolie doens't care for Perry, right?

Rolie is great. He is very generous with the fans. I've enjoyed his shows as of late.

[larryfromnextdoor]

it wasn't in response to you Lula, you didn't say it, Mandi I think did. And as far as I know, Neal wasn't invited to RnRHOF, you're right.

MSR, I think you are right. Rolie doens't care for Perry, right?

Rolie is great. He is very generous with the fans. I've enjoyed his shows as of late.

you have seen rollie lately?? well heck,, can you tell us anything? wow....

[Monker]

The bottom line is Journey has now watered down the meaning of lead singer and anyone who pre-pays money for a ticket has to be willing to accept alternate singers on the front of that stage.

EXACTLY. And, THAT is why I will NEVER pay $75/ticket to see Journey ever again.

You never know who is going to show up in the band.

[Moose]

The bottom line is Journey has now watered down the meaning of lead singer and anyone who pre-pays money for a ticket has to be willing to accept alternate singers on the front of that stage.

EXACTLY. And, THAT is why I will NEVER pay $75/ticket to see Journey ever again.

You never know who is going to show up in the band.

Not sure if I agree with that, but I do know that spending a boatload of money for a short set as the opener for that over the hill Def Leppard band........that is not cost efficient!

[L~L~L]

The bottom line is Journey has now watered down the meaning of lead singer and anyone who pre-pays money for a ticket has to be willing to accept alternate singers on the front of that stage.

EXACTLY. And, THAT is why I will NEVER pay $75/ticket to see Journey ever again.

You never know who is going to show up in the band.

Next they'll have Weird Al Yankovic or Flavor Flav singing lead.

[Monker]

When did Rolie show up at the Walk of Fame in Hollywood? I musta missed that, along with everyone else. I can see almost everyone showing up for the Rock & Roll HOF, IF it ever happens. But for the band jam, I think you only get a few songs, so how do you divide it up between the singers from just the 70's alone? Does Robert Fleischman sing the song he recorded before Perry joined? There's NO way Augeri shows his face. JSS I can see being there to jam with all the guys, because he's the NOW singer. Of course Smitty would be there too, can uyou imagine Smitty and Deen drumming together? hmmm. Oh, I also don't see the ROR touring Journey rythym section being there either.

Rolie was not in Hollywood. I was talking about NYC, the RnR Hall of Fame and Santana's induction. If I'm not mistaken, Neal was not invited, but I could be wrong. Maybe Catherin will read this and respond. I think the committee will recognize the most popular/known line up- Schon, Valory, Perry, Smith, Rolie, Cain, and maybe Dunbar.

This is true. Only the original Santana band was inducted into the HOF...and that did NOT include Neal Schon, but DID include Gregg Rolie. Neal is not in the HoF as a member of Santana.

[Andrew]

EXACTLY. And, THAT is why I will NEVER pay $75/ticket to see Journey ever again.

You never know who is going to show up in the band.

So you won't be requiring this forum anylonger. Cheerio then!

[donnaplease]

The bottom line is Journey has now watered down the meaning of lead singer and anyone who pre-pays money for a ticket has to be willing to accept alternate singers on the front of that stage.

EXACTLY. And, THAT is why I will NEVER pay $75/ticket to see Journey ever again.

You never know who is going to show up in the band.

Next they'll have Weird Al Yankovic or Flavor Flav singing lead.

Hey, Weird Al could probably get it done!!!! Plus...he's got great hair!!!

[Monker]

EXACTLY. And, THAT is why I will NEVER pay $75/ticket to see Journey ever again.

You never know who is going to show up in the band.

So you won't be requiring this forum anylonger. Cheerio then!

> INSERT STANDARD RESPONSE OF I'LL BE HERE UNTIL YOU KICK ME OFF <

[L~L~L]

The bottom line is Journey has now watered down the meaning of lead singer and anyone who pre-pays money for a ticket has to be willing to accept alternate singers on the front of that stage.

EXACTLY. And, THAT is why I will NEVER pay $75/ticket to see Journey ever again.

You never know who is going to show up in the band.

Next they'll have Weird Al Yankovic or Flavor Flav singing lead.

Hey, Weird Al could probably get it done!!!! Plus...he's got great hair!!!

My bad they already did the W.A.Y. but with a bit of tape help.

[CatEyes]

When did Rolie show up at the Walk of Fame in Hollywood? I musta missed that, along with everyone else. I can see almost everyone showing up for the Rock & Roll HOF, IF it ever happens. But for the band jam, I think you only get a few songs, so how do you divide it up between the singers from just the 70's alone? Does Robert Fleischman sing the song he recorded before Perry joined? There's NO way Augeri shows his face. JSS I can see being there to jam with all the guys, because he's the NOW singer. Of course Smitty would be there too, can uyou imagine Smitty and Deen drumming together? hmmm. Oh, I also don't see the ROR touring Journey rythym section being there either.

Rolie was not in Hollywood. I was talking about NYC, the RnR Hall of Fame and Santana's induction. If I'm not mistaken, Neal was not invited, but I could be wrong. Maybe Catherin will read this and respond. I think the committee will recognize the most popular/known line up- Schon, Valory, Perry, Smith, Rolie, Cain, and maybe Dunbar.

This is true. Only the original Santana band was inducted into the HOF...and that did NOT include Neal Schon, but DID include Gregg Rolie. Neal is not in the HoF as a member of Santana.

Right. There is some debate as to whether it was Carlos or the HOF foundation that made the final choice.

According to Santana's website, Neal was with the band from 1971-1972, while Greg was with Carlos from 1966 - 72. During his tenure with Santana, 4 albums were released : Santana (1969); Abraxas (1970); Santana III (1971); and, Caravanseri. 3 Of the albums went gold at the time, and Rolie produced one of them.

Since the RnRHoF Foundation is busy rewriting their by-laws as well as triming membership of the NomCom as well as voting members, I have no clue what they would do with Journey - however, Lu, Monker I think you are both on the right track.


Cat

[A Fire Inside]

EXACTLY. And, THAT is why I will NEVER pay $75/ticket to see Journey ever again.

You never know who is going to show up in the band.

So you won't be requiring this forum anylonger. Cheerio then!

He isn't allowed to be here if he doesn't like the current lineup?

So why were there all those Perry diehards in here for years without trouble?

Honestly I think some of you guys get too worked up over Monker.

[Andrew]

EXACTLY. And, THAT is why I will NEVER pay $75/ticket to see Journey ever again.

You never know who is going to show up in the band.

So you won't be requiring this forum anylonger. Cheerio then!

He isn't allowed to be here if he doesn't like the current lineup?

So why were there all those Perry diehards in here for years without trouble?

Honestly I think some of you guys get too worked up over Monker.

It's called sarcasm. Monker can waste the next 10 years of his life posting here if he wants, but bugger me if I can work out why he posts here at all. Hasn't said anything remotely positive or original in, well....ever!

[bluejeangirl76]

I am really really bored right now so I thought I would play devil's advocate here.

IF Journey got inducted into the R&R Hall of Fame this year, how do you see that scenario playing out? ALL past and present band members attended the Walk of Fame ceremony in LA. Should ALL the band members do the same if it were the HOF?

Can you see Steve Perry on stage with Steve Augeri and JSS? Should SA be excluded, even though he contributed 8 years of time, and is featured on 2 CDs and one EP with the band.
Should JSS be excluded from the honors? What has been his contribution to the band, other than this tour?? I know this is a stretch, since for some unexplained reasons, Journey has always been ignored by the HOF committee.

Like I said, I'm bored. Not trying to start any brawls here, just some consversations.

Mandi

When a band is inducted they are invited. When Santana was inducted Schon was not there, but Rolie was. When Journey gets inducted my guess is it will be the line up from the 70s 80s era, the body of work that represents so much of their influence in music, just my opinion of course.

If I'm interpreting the rules correctly, Augeri is not eligible. The RRHOF rule states "25 years after the release of the first record".

Augeri did not record until 2001. In fact, Jon Cain only became eligible this year since he didn't record with them until 1981. For example...not all members of Skynard were inducted last year because it hasn't been 25 years yet.

I'm sure they would all be invited, but they can't all be inducted.

[Saint John]

Perry.....is BACK

[rsimpson]

it wasn't in response to you Lula, you didn't say it, Mandi I think did. And as far as I know, Neal wasn't invited to RnRHOF, you're right.

MSR, I think you are right. Rolie doens't care for Perry, right?

There is a limit on the number of band members inducted. I don't think there is a limit on the number of performers.

[L~L~L]

Perry.....is BACK

Full speed ahead Watch out now!

[Wally_Hatchet]

I'm sure they would all be invited, but they can't all be inducted.

True.

The performance is up to the current band/mgmt. or whoever "owns" the band(s).

Skynyrd performed with current members (minus the drummer) and most, if not all of the surviving former members performed, including three guitarists, two drummers (different songs) and 4 backup singers past and present. With all the bad blood between current/former band members over the years, Skynyrd showed a lot of class that night.

On the other hand, Debby Harry wouldn't allow the original members of Blondie perform, even thought they practically begged her from the podium, and John Fogerty wouldn't allow the original CCR members to perform either.

I would bet that Journey would invite all their main players through the years to perform. I think they allow two, three songs per inductee.

[rdekker]

[quote="Lula
Captain Obvious! I love that. If people haven't figured out that Jeff is the lead singer of Journey.... I don't know... [/quote]

Well I'm glad I don't have to feed the people who still think so over at BT, I'd be broke.
I'm getting sick and tired of endless discussions and people flaming others because they say JSS is the man and that there has not been any 'official' news.

It's time for them to get their heads out of their asses. JSS is here to stay, wether you like it or not.

[donnaplease]

My bad they already did the W.A.Y. but with a bit of tape help.

What's that??

[Wheels Of Fyre]

It makes no sense to me to ship all those wine bottles to have him sign them OR have him fly to California to sign them. I think JSS is just covering all the duties.

Wow, now that is reaching....If they were really comitted to SA being lead singer they would have done what it took to get them signed

It's not reaching, it's logical.
What is wrong with Journey doing a nice charity promotion with JSS right now?
Answer ~ nothing.

Why go to the extra trouble to have Augeri involved when you have a nice warm body right there to be a part of it.

To quote you, "If they were really committed to SA being lead singer", signing wine bottles would not be the difference between being committed or not being committed. Being committed to SA would have required something much BIGGER than that.

Logic...? On THIS forum! How DARE you! Who do you think you are coming here and actually exercising LOGIC!!!



Actually, your response was EXACTLY what I thought. There you have it. I'm a logical person, too!

Andrew has made some comments that invite speculation that JSS is indeed in and SA out - for whatever reasons. He's claimed to have some juicy interviews that explain ALL and then has responded to certain people here in certain ways that appear to have let the cat out.

This leaves me torn between logic and speculation. Logic tells me that JSS is covering the bases as you've suggested. Entirely logical and reasonable. Speculation (which I REALLY try not to involve myself in) tells me that he's covering the base as it's now his job to do so.

I'll be one happy camper once something OFFICIAL has been reported. All of this logic and speculation is enough to drive me NUTS!

[bluejeangirl76]

Logic? What's that word doing here?

*checks address in browser to make sure I'm on MR*

I agree, Fyre...I would just like them say something, which ever way it goes, so that everyone can just knock it off already. Did this happen when SA joined? I wasn't on message boards like this (if they existed) in 1998 so I don't know. Were there fights over whether SP was officially "out"? This is insane.

Do you people realize you're arguing about wine bottles?

Never mind the part about the children's charity, the most important thing is who signed it?

[Crazie Scarab]

It makes no sense to me to ship all those wine bottles to have him sign them OR have him fly to California to sign them. I think JSS is just covering all the duties.

Wow, now that is reaching....If they were really comitted to SA being lead singer they would have done what it took to get them signed

It's not reaching, it's logical.
What is wrong with Journey doing a nice charity promotion with JSS right now?
Answer ~ nothing.

Why go to the extra trouble to have Augeri involved when you have a nice warm body right there to be a part of it.

To quote you, "If they were really committed to SA being lead singer", signing wine bottles would not be the difference between being committed or not being committed. Being committed to SA would have required something much BIGGER than that.

Logic...? On THIS forum! How DARE you! Who do you think you are coming here and actually exercising LOGIC!!!



Actually, your response was EXACTLY what I thought. There you have it. I'm a logical person, too!

Andrew has made some comments that invite speculation that JSS is indeed in and SA out - for whatever reasons. He's claimed to have some juicy interviews that explain ALL and then has responded to certain people here in certain ways that appear to have let the cat out.

This leaves me torn between logic and speculation. Logic tells me that JSS is covering the bases as you've suggested. Entirely logical and reasonable. Speculation (which I REALLY try not to involve myself in) tells me that he's covering the base as it's now his job to do so.

I'll be one happy camper once something OFFICIAL has been reported. All of this logic and speculation is enough to drive me NUTS!

Trust your speculative inclination in this instance. Logic clearly indicates JSS is in.

[dcvader]

EXACTLY. And, THAT is why I will NEVER pay $75/ticket to see Journey ever again.

You never know who is going to show up in the band.

So you won't be requiring this forum anylonger. Cheerio then!

Amen Andrew!!!!!!!!!

[NealIsGod]

EXACTLY. And, THAT is why I will NEVER pay $75/ticket to see Journey ever again.

You never know who is going to show up in the band.

So you won't be requiring this forum anylonger. Cheerio then!

Amen Andrew!!!!!!!!!

Monker thrives on people not liking him. That is why he has fun posting. Like someone said in the Styx forum recently, Monker is only happy when a puppy or kitten dies.

[Lula]

This is too much.

Dean looked over my shoulder and just started laughing out loud at this thread.

I really can't blame him for not having the desire to post here.

It's not as if Andrew is going to drop a bomb. Anyone with a clear mind knows what is coming.

Welcome aboard, Jeff.

[conversationpc]

Monker thrives on people not liking him. That is why he has fun posting. Like someone said in the Styx forum recently, Monker is only happy when a puppy or kitten dies.

I think it's more along the lines of him just enjoying arguing for the sake of arguing, regardless of if he's right or not.

[NealIsGod]

This is too much.

Dean looked over my shoulder and just started laughing out loud at this thread.

I really can't blame him for not having the desire to post here.

It's not as if Andrew is going to drop a bomb. Anyone with a clear mind knows what is coming.

Welcome aboard, Jeff.

Good Lord, do you two ever sleep?

[Wheels Of Fyre]

Logic? What's that word doing here?

*checks address in browser to make sure I'm on MR*

I agree, Fyre...I would just like them say something, which ever way it goes, so that everyone can just knock it off already. Did this happen when SA joined? I wasn't on message boards like this (if they existed) in 1998 so I don't know. Were there fights over whether SP was officially "out"? This is insane.

Do you people realize you're arguing about wine bottles?

Never mind the part about the children's charity, the most important thing is who signed it?

We lose focus on what's truly important when certain questions remain unanswered. IMO I think it would've served better had these "juicy" interviews been kept "secret" and then published out of the blue. Unless of course the intent was to drive everyone insane with speculation and divide the JOURNEY fans even further.

I was on some internet mail lists back in the 90's and I don't recall this kind of tension however there wasn't a bunch of people fueling the fires with talk of "tell all" interviews and "insider info" either.

Let's get this over with already!

[Wheels Of Fyre]

It makes no sense to me to ship all those wine bottles to have him sign them OR have him fly to California to sign them. I think JSS is just covering all the duties.

Wow, now that is reaching....If they were really comitted to SA being lead singer they would have done what it took to get them signed

It's not reaching, it's logical.
What is wrong with Journey doing a nice charity promotion with JSS right now?
Answer ~ nothing.

Why go to the extra trouble to have Augeri involved when you have a nice warm body right there to be a part of it.

To quote you, "If they were really committed to SA being lead singer", signing wine bottles would not be the difference between being committed or not being committed. Being committed to SA would have required something much BIGGER than that.

Logic...? On THIS forum! How DARE you! Who do you think you are coming here and actually exercising LOGIC!!!



Actually, your response was EXACTLY what I thought. There you have it. I'm a logical person, too!

Andrew has made some comments that invite speculation that JSS is indeed in and SA out - for whatever reasons. He's claimed to have some juicy interviews that explain ALL and then has responded to certain people here in certain ways that appear to have let the cat out.

This leaves me torn between logic and speculation. Logic tells me that JSS is covering the bases as you've suggested. Entirely logical and reasonable. Speculation (which I REALLY try not to involve myself in) tells me that he's covering the base as it's now his job to do so.

I'll be one happy camper once something OFFICIAL has been reported. All of this logic and speculation is enough to drive me NUTS!

Trust your speculative inclination in this instance. Logic clearly indicates JSS is in.

OK, Brian. If that's indeed who you claim to be