Bill Clinton on Rachel Ray's show

[7 Wishes]

Let's see...Somalia...100,000 (at least) innocent lives saved.
Iraq? 100,000 innocents killed due to an ILLEGAL war.

Somalia...United Nations operation fully ratified by all members on the council.
Iraq...diversionary tactic...opposed by 98% of the free world...but at least Armenia, Moldova, and Azerbaijan were on "our" side.

What exactly did Clinton have to do with Waco? The ATF controlled that entire operation. WRONG.

Whitewater? Seven years, ZERO EVIDENCE, ZERO INDICTMENTS, and a shitload of wasted time and money. WRONG.

Some neo-con ALWAYS starts with this Vince Foster bullshit. I'm sorry. The man killed himself. Period. WRONG.

The U.S.S. Cole? The WTC bombing? They had NOTHING to do with this illegal war in Iraq.

Never mind that under Clinton's guidance, the U.S. had the greatest economic boon in the history of the world, a SURPLUS, huge strides in education...A REDUCTION OF 27% IN "BIG GOVERNMENT". This is something you Republicans always harp on, yet Reagan, Bush I (who was actually a pretty good President in retrospect, and who also wrote in his autobiography that invading Baghdad would have been a "monumental error" with "catasrophic consequences"!), and Bush Jr. INCREASED THE SIZE OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT!!! W had already added another 7,000 to the government payroll BEFORE 9/11.

Oh, and by the way...the Gipper, the good ol' Fiscal Conservative himself, propsed $125 billion MORE in spending on his 8 annual budgets than was ratified by the Democratic Congress. Now, that's strange, isn't it? At least the "Star Wars" missile defense system worked. NOT! That missile program had more bogeys than a one-armed golfer.

One of the greatest Presidents in Clinton, and the worst EVER in W. Pretty lame, dude. Your arguments have no merit because they are invalid. Back to the drawing board.

[chf34jmac]

7 With all due respect to you, Deano, and Clinton. The 1993 WTC bombing was orchestrated by Bin Laden. The attack on the U.S. Embassy in Africa was orchestrated by Bin Laden. And finally, the USS Cole attack was orchestrated by Bin Laden. (Side note to this one - Libya had Bin Laden in custody and offered him to us and Clinton said NO). See everyone talks about the Bush intell fuck ups that let 9/11 happen but everyone seems to forget how many times this guy hit us prior. Where was Clinton and his intelligence to prevent these?

The "No child left behind" is a failure. The teachers are being forced to teach to a test and not actually teach the children because if the scores are too low, the lose funding at the school. Teachers at my kids school have already told me this is a fact. I know there are teachers on this site that will disagree but that is what I'm being told by my own kids school teachers.

Waco yes the ATF handled or mishandled this. But it was on the order of the Attorney General of the United States. They were carrying out a warrant issued by her.

Iraq, you get no question that this is a fucked up situation, but let's go back in history. Nazi Germany Hitler genocide of the Jews. Kinda makes him a terrorist don't it? We stepped in. Iraq Saddam Hussein genocide of his own people. Kinda similar? Again we stepped in. Difference here is that now wars are run on popular vote. Which for the voting public both Kerry and Hilary voted in favor of in the beginning while it was the popular thing to do. As soon as the numbers started to go down and the American death toll up, they started voting against it. I call that pandering to the constituents. Not exactly sure what you call it.


Again, I don't root for either side. W is an asshole but for fucks sake the democrats would have us believe that Clinton was the second coming of Christ. The guy fucked up as much as anyone, his people were just better at hiding it from public view.

[conversationpc]

7 With all due respect to you, Deano, and Clinton. The 1993 WTC bombing was orchestrated by Bin Laden. The attack on the U.S. Embassy in Africa was orchestrated by Bin Laden. And finally, the USS Cole attack was orchestrated by Bin Laden. (Side note to this one - Libya had Bin Laden in custody and offered him to us and Clinton said NO). See everyone talks about the Bush intell fuck ups that let 9/11 happen but everyone seems to forget how many times this guy hit us prior. Where was Clinton and his intelligence to prevent these.

I think it was actually Sudan that had him in custody.

[chf34jmac]

Whoever it was, we had a chance to stop his shit right there and the opportunity was missed.

[conversationpc]

Whoever it was, we had a chance to stop his shit right there and the opportunity was missed.

I personally think Clinton missed a good opportunity right there but I think his argument was that he hadn't yet committed any crimes against the U.S. Therefore, there were no legal grounds on which to detain Bin Laden, following his logic. Whether that's true or not, I don't know, but it certainly makes you wonder.

[7 Wishes]

The 1993 WTC bombing was orchestrated by Bin Laden. The attack on the U.S. Embassy in Africa was orchestrated by Bin Laden. And finally, the USS Cole attack was orchestrated by Bin Laden. (Side note to this one - Libya had Bin Laden in custody and offered him to us and Clinton said NO). See everyone talks about the Bush intell fuck ups that let 9/11 happen but everyone seems to forget how many times this guy hit us prior.

CJ, I agree completely. I just mean Bin Laden had nothing to do with Iraq. Clinton dropped the ball on a number of things, to be sure, and he really ticked me off by backing off Universal Health Care and a number of other issues he didn't undress, er, address, while in office. I wish W had the sensibility, diplomatic skills, and grace of his father, who I really believe was one of our better Presidents. If the economy hadn't tanked the last six months of his first term, Senior would have been re-elected. He made the right decision to defend Kuwait by invading Iraq, and also made the right choice by not "finishing off" Hussein, as he had enough prescience to know the sectarian turmoil that would result from such an operation.

[RedWingFan]

he really ticked me off by backing off Universal Health Care

You must be really envious of those who live in government run housing?

[Crazie Scarab]

She doesn't only cook. Yeah. She cleans up the mess, too! I could live with that!

[Manarocks]

7 With all due respect to you, Deano, and Clinton. The 1993 WTC bombing was orchestrated by Bin Laden. The attack on the U.S. Embassy in Africa was orchestrated by Bin Laden. And finally, the USS Cole attack was orchestrated by Bin Laden. (Side note to this one - Libya had Bin Laden in custody and offered him to us and Clinton said NO). See everyone talks about the Bush intell fuck ups that let 9/11 happen but everyone seems to forget how many times this guy hit us prior. Where was Clinton and his intelligence to prevent these?

The "No child left behind" is a failure. The teachers are being forced to teach to a test and not actually teach the children because if the scores are too low, the lose funding at the school. Teachers at my kids school have already told me this is a fact. I know there are teachers on this site that will disagree but that is what I'm being told by my own kids school teachers.

Waco yes the ATF handled or mishandled this. But it was on the order of the Attorney General of the United States. They were carrying out a warrant issued by her.

Iraq, you get no question that this is a fucked up situation, but let's go back in history. Nazi Germany Hitler genocide of the Jews. Kinda makes him a terrorist don't it? We stepped in. Iraq Saddam Hussein genocide of his own people. Kinda similar? Again we stepped in. Difference here is that now wars are run on popular vote. Which for the voting public both Kerry and Hilary voted in favor of in the beginning while it was the popular thing to do. As soon as the numbers started to go down and the American death toll up, they started voting against it. I call that pandering to the constituents. Not exactly sure what you call it.


Again, I don't root for either side. W is an asshole but for fucks sake the democrats would have us believe that Clinton was the second coming of Christ. The guy fucked up as much as anyone, his people were just better at hiding it from public view.

Thank you jmac, both parties suck. Seems like every adminstrations fucks up but people forget. I believe if Hilary gets the nomination and wins the election she will finish up what Bill could not do and what Bush is afraid to do. I feel sorry for all the terrorist then. She will mean business.

[Manarocks]

The 1993 WTC bombing was orchestrated by Bin Laden. The attack on the U.S. Embassy in Africa was orchestrated by Bin Laden. And finally, the USS Cole attack was orchestrated by Bin Laden. (Side note to this one - Libya had Bin Laden in custody and offered him to us and Clinton said NO). See everyone talks about the Bush intell fuck ups that let 9/11 happen but everyone seems to forget how many times this guy hit us prior.

CJ, I agree completely. I just mean Bin Laden had nothing to do with Iraq. Clinton dropped the ball on a number of things, to be sure, and he really ticked me off by backing off Universal Health Care and a number of other issues he didn't undress, er, address, while in office. I wish W had the sensibility, diplomatic skills, and grace of his father, who I really believe was one of our better Presidents. If the economy hadn't tanked the last six months of his first term, Senior would have been re-elected. He made the right decision to defend Kuwait by invading Iraq, and also made the right choice by not "finishing off" Hussein, as he had enough prescience to know the sectarian turmoil that would result from such an operation.

7 wishes excellent post. I amost agree totally with what you stated. I think Bush senior should have finished off Hussein.

[Manarocks]

She doesn't only cook. Yeah. She cleans up the mess, too! I could live with that!

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