OT: Some good news in support of stem cell research

[conversationpc]

You know what's more terrifying to me than Al Qaeda?


People who still support Bush.


That kind of ignorance is what is going to destroy this country.

That could be as dumb a comment as I've ever seen posted on this board.

Just as ignorant I guess as people who believe EVERY nutty conspiracy theory about Bush.

[ohsherrie]

You know what's more terrifying to me than Al Qaeda?


People who still support Bush.


That kind of ignorance is what is going to destroy this country.

That could be as dumb a comment as I've ever seen posted on this board.

Just as ignorant I guess as people who believe EVERY nutty conspiracy theory about Bush.

Thanks, perfect example.

[conversationpc]

You know what's more terrifying to me than Al Qaeda?


People who still support Bush.


That kind of ignorance is what is going to destroy this country.

That could be as dumb a comment as I've ever seen posted on this board.

Just as ignorant I guess as people who believe EVERY nutty conspiracy theory about Bush.

Thanks, perfect example.

Good example of circular reasoning, there Sherrie, so you can somehow accuse someone of something but still not be proven wrong regardless of the overwhelming evidence otherwise. Show me where I support Bush on all points and you may have a winning argument there. Good try, but no dice.

[RedWingFan]

You know what's more terrifying to me than Al Qaeda?


People who still support Bush.


That kind of ignorance is what is going to destroy this country.

That could be as dumb a comment as I've ever seen posted on this board.

Just as ignorant I guess as people who believe EVERY nutty conspiracy theory about Bush.

Dude, don't bother with her. She's wacked out of her gord! I'm talkin' moveon.org, dailykos crazy. Completely blinded by hatred! It's a waste of time. I've tried showing her facts to debunk her wackoness. And my numbers are just part of the conspiracy!

[conversationpc]

You know what's more terrifying to me than Al Qaeda?


People who still support Bush.


That kind of ignorance is what is going to destroy this country.

That could be as dumb a comment as I've ever seen posted on this board.

Just as ignorant I guess as people who believe EVERY nutty conspiracy theory about Bush.

Dude, don't bother with her. She's wacked out of her gord! I'm talkin' moveon.org, dailykos crazy. Completely blinded by hatred! It's a waste of time.

Couldn't agree more. I have several areas of disagreement with Bush but apparently if you agree with him on just ONE point, you must therefore be a potato-eating, brainwashed, conservative, know-nothing, zombie.

[Barb]

You know what's more terrifying to me than Al Qaeda?


People who still support Bush.


That kind of ignorance is what is going to destroy this country.

Ya know, even if Hillary Clinton is elected President, I will stand behind her before I say she or her supporters are more dangerous than viscious terrorists who are determined to destroy this country and everyone in it. There comes a point where your hatred of a person becomes completely irrational, and with all due respect, I think you are there.

[ohsherrie]

Yeah Dave, I'm a total whacko who knows nothing about that of which she speaks. So what's the point in replying to people who think I have nothing of worth to say?

Nighty-night.

[Rick]

You know what's more terrifying to me than Al Qaeda?


People who still support Bush.


That kind of ignorance is what is going to destroy this country.

That could be as dumb a comment as I've ever seen posted on this board.

Just as ignorant I guess as people who believe EVERY nutty conspiracy theory about Bush.

Dude, don't bother with her. She's wacked out of her gord! I'm talkin' moveon.org, dailykos crazy. Completely blinded by hatred! It's a waste of time. I've tried showing her facts to debunk her wackoness. And my numbers are just part of the conspiracy!

NEGATIVE! Sherrie is one of the most intelligent, well informed posters on this site. Check yourself dude.

[conversationpc]

Yeah Dave, I'm a total whacko who knows nothing about that of which she speaks. So what's the point in replying to people who think I have nothing of worth to say?

And this is different from your attitude how???

Dang, I haven't enjoyed a good argument in a while. Good to be back in the ring.

[RedWingFan]

Yeah Dave, I'm a total whacko who knows nothing about that of which she speaks. So what's the point in replying to people who think I have nothing of worth to say?

Nighty-night.

I think your nighty-night came loooong ago. The sun set on you ability to be rational.

[RedWingFan]

You know what's more terrifying to me than Al Qaeda?


People who still support Bush.


That kind of ignorance is what is going to destroy this country.

That could be as dumb a comment as I've ever seen posted on this board.

Just as ignorant I guess as people who believe EVERY nutty conspiracy theory about Bush.

Dude, don't bother with her. She's wacked out of her gord! I'm talkin' moveon.org, dailykos crazy. Completely blinded by hatred! It's a waste of time. I've tried showing her facts to debunk her wackoness. And my numbers are just part of the conspiracy!

NEGATIVE! Sherrie is one of the most intelligent, well informed posters on this site. Check yourself dude.

Dude she may be intelligent when it comes to Perry or whatever. But....eh, never mind

[Rick]

You know what's more terrifying to me than Al Qaeda?


People who still support Bush.


That kind of ignorance is what is going to destroy this country.

That could be as dumb a comment as I've ever seen posted on this board.

Just as ignorant I guess as people who believe EVERY nutty conspiracy theory about Bush.

Dude, don't bother with her. She's wacked out of her gord! I'm talkin' moveon.org, dailykos crazy. Completely blinded by hatred! It's a waste of time. I've tried showing her facts to debunk her wackoness. And my numbers are just part of the conspiracy!

NEGATIVE! Sherrie is one of the most intelligent, well informed posters on this site. Check yourself dude.

Dude she may be intelligent when it comes to Perry or whatever. But....eh, never mind

You may want to call her ignorant and whatever else, but you do that just because she doesn't share your views. She's very up to date on politics. Probably way more than you.

[RedWingFan]

Yeah Dave, I'm a total whacko who knows nothing about that of which she speaks. So what's the point in replying to people who think I have nothing of worth to say?

And this is different from your attitude how???

Dang, I haven't enjoyed a good argument in a while. Good to be back in the ring.

Nice to have you back, coulda used you last night though. I actually was wondering where you went.

[RedWingFan]

You know what's more terrifying to me than Al Qaeda?


People who still support Bush.


That kind of ignorance is what is going to destroy this country.

That could be as dumb a comment as I've ever seen posted on this board.

Just as ignorant I guess as people who believe EVERY nutty conspiracy theory about Bush.

Dude, don't bother with her. She's wacked out of her gord! I'm talkin' moveon.org, dailykos crazy. Completely blinded by hatred! It's a waste of time. I've tried showing her facts to debunk her wackoness. And my numbers are just part of the conspiracy!

NEGATIVE! Sherrie is one of the most intelligent, well informed posters on this site. Check yourself dude.

Dude she may be intelligent when it comes to Perry or whatever. But....eh, never mind

You may want to call her ignorant and whatever else, but you do that just because she doesn't share your views. She's very up to date on politics. Probably way more than you.

Who called her ignorant?

[conversationpc]

[You may want to call her ignorant and whatever else, but you do that just because she doesn't share your views. She's very up to date on politics. Probably way more than you.

If you're going to call us conservatives out for the way we interact with Sherrie, you need to do the same thing with her, because she's guilty of it, too. Otherwise, stay out of it unless you have something to add to the argument.

[Rick]

You know what's more terrifying to me than Al Qaeda?


People who still support Bush.


That kind of ignorance is what is going to destroy this country.

That could be as dumb a comment as I've ever seen posted on this board.

Just as ignorant I guess as people who believe EVERY nutty conspiracy theory about Bush.

Dude, don't bother with her. She's wacked out of her gord! I'm talkin' moveon.org, dailykos crazy. Completely blinded by hatred! It's a waste of time. I've tried showing her facts to debunk her wackoness. And my numbers are just part of the conspiracy!

NEGATIVE! Sherrie is one of the most intelligent, well informed posters on this site. Check yourself dude.

Dude she may be intelligent when it comes to Perry or whatever. But....eh, never mind

You may want to call her ignorant and whatever else, but you do that just because she doesn't share your views. She's very up to date on politics. Probably way more than you.

Who called her ignorant?

Sorry, CPC did.

[conversationpc]

Who called her ignorant?

Sorry, CPC did.

Dude, do some research before you call me out on that. Sherry used that term first. Third post from the bottom on the first page, my friend.

[RedWingFan]

You know what's more terrifying to me than Al Qaeda?


People who still support Bush.


That kind of ignorance is what is going to destroy this country.

That could be as dumb a comment as I've ever seen posted on this board.

Just as ignorant I guess as people who believe EVERY nutty conspiracy theory about Bush.

Dude, don't bother with her. She's wacked out of her gord! I'm talkin' moveon.org, dailykos crazy. Completely blinded by hatred! It's a waste of time. I've tried showing her facts to debunk her wackoness. And my numbers are just part of the conspiracy!

NEGATIVE! Sherrie is one of the most intelligent, well informed posters on this site. Check yourself dude.

Dude she may be intelligent when it comes to Perry or whatever. But....eh, never mind

You may want to call her ignorant and whatever else, but you do that just because she doesn't share your views. She's very up to date on politics. Probably way more than you.

Who called her ignorant?

Sorry, CPC did.

Well I'm going to have to agree with him. Cuz she called us ignorant first in her initial post

[conversationpc]

Interesting that post #5150 occurred in this thread...Code for escaped mental patient.

[Rick]

Ok, I'll graciously bow out and let all of you continue this discussion.

[conversationpc]

Ok, I'll graciously bow out and let all of you continue this discussion.

BTW, one of my favorite movies of all time is "Stir Crazy", with Richard Prior. So good on ya for the avatar.

[RedWingFan]

Ok, I'll graciously bow out and let all of you continue this discussion.

BTW, one of my favorite movies of all time is "Stir Crazy", with Richard Prior. So good on ya for the avatar.

It sucked compared to Pulp Fiction. Bring back Jules!

[Rick]

Ok, I'll graciously bow out and let all of you continue this discussion.

BTW, one of my favorite movies of all time is "Stir Crazy", with Richard Prior. So good on ya for the avatar.

Thanks Dave, one of my fav's too. Great movie. I don't know if you know this or not, but Gene Wilder didn't care for Richard Pryor. He attributed that to RP's drug use.

[Rick]

Ok, I'll graciously bow out and let all of you continue this discussion.

BTW, one of my favorite movies of all time is "Stir Crazy", with Richard Prior. So good on ya for the avatar.

It sucked compared to Pulp Fiction. Bring back Jules!

Eventually, I love that av.

[conversationpc]

Ok, I'll graciously bow out and let all of you continue this discussion.

BTW, one of my favorite movies of all time is "Stir Crazy", with Richard Prior. So good on ya for the avatar.

Thanks Dave, one of my fav's too. Great movie. I don't know if you know this or not, but Gene Wilder didn't care for Richard Pryor. He attributed that to RP's drug use.

Regardless, he was great in that movie. I love the scene where the one guy is introducing him to the bull.

[Blueskies]

Overview:

A stem cell is a primitive type of cell that can be coaxed into developing into most of the 220 types of cells found in the human body (e.g. blood cells, heart cells, brain cells, etc). Some researchers regard them as offering the greatest potential for the alleviation of human suffering since the development of antibiotics. Over 100 million Americans and two billion other humans worldwide suffer from diseases that may eventually be treated more effectively with stem cells or even cured. These include heart disease, diabetes, and certain types of cancer.

Stem cells can be extracted from very young human embryos -- typically from surplus frozen embryos left over from in-vitro fertilization (IVF) procedures at fertility clinics. A couple undergoing IVF is faced with four alternatives for their 16 or so surplus embryos:

Have them discarded.
Donate the embryos to another infertile couple in what is sometimes called "embryo adoption.".
Donate the embryos for research
Have the embryos preserved at very low temperatures.
There are very few parents willing to give their embryos to another couple for a variety of emotional reasons. There are very few couples willing to receive them for emotional reasons and because thawed embryos have such a low chance of starting a pregnancy. Preservation can be expensive. So most ask that they be discarded.

There are currently hundreds of thousands of surplus embryos in storage. One source estimated that there were 400,000 stored embryos by mid-2003. 4 However, a minority of pro-lifers and a majority of pro-life organizations object to the use of embryos in research. They feel that a few-days-old embryo is a human person. Extracting its stem cells kills the embryo -- an act that they consider to be murder. Stem cells can now be grown in the laboratory, so (in a pinch) some research can be done using existing stem cells. No further harvesting needs to be made from embryos. However, existing stem cell lines are gradually degrading and will soon be useless for research.

Stem cells can also be extracted from adult tissue, without harm to the subject. Unfortunately, they are difficult to remove and are severely limited in quantity. There has been a consensus among researchers that adult stem cells are limited in usefulness -- that they can be used to produce only a few of the 220 types of cells in the human body. However, some evidence is emerging that indicates that adult cells may be more flexible than has previously been believed.

Government research using embryo stem cells had been authorized in Britain, but was initially halted in the U.S. by President George W. Bush. He decided on 2001-AUG-9 to allow research to resume in government labs, but restricted researchers to use only 72 existing lines of stem cells. By 2003-MAY, most of these lines had become useless. Only 22 remained in mid-2006, and many of them were of limited usefulness because of DNA damage.

Research continues in U.S. private labs and in both government and private labs in the UK, Japan, France, Australia, and other countries. On 2002-SEP, Governor Davis of California signed bill SB 253 into law. It is the first law in the U.S. that permits stem cell research. Davis simultaneously signed a bill that permanently bans all human cloning in the state for reproduction purposes -- i.e. any effort to create a cloned individual.

Following former president Ronald Reagan's death due to Alzheimer's in 2004-JUN -- a slow, lingering disease that took a decade to kill him -- Nancy Reagan and all of her family, except for Michael Reagan, mounted a campaign to encourage President Bush to relax restrictions on embryo stem cell research. Fifty-eight senators, almost all Democrats, sent a letter to President Bush, urging the same action.

A federal bill passed the House on 2005-MAY-24 to allow government funded research on embryonic stem cells extracted from surplus embryos in fertility clinics. It was later passed by the Senate. President Bush vetoed it -- his first veto of his presidency.

[Crazie Scarab]

Just gotta step in for a good

[RedWingFan]

Overview:

A stem cell is a primitive type of cell that can be coaxed into developing into most of the 220 types of cells found in the human body (e.g. blood cells, heart cells, brain cells, etc). Some researchers regard them as offering the greatest potential for the alleviation of human suffering since the development of antibiotics. Over 100 million Americans and two billion other humans worldwide suffer from diseases that may eventually be treated more effectively with stem cells or even cured. These include heart disease, diabetes, and certain types of cancer.

Stem cells can be extracted from very young human embryos -- typically from surplus frozen embryos left over from in-vitro fertilization (IVF) procedures at fertility clinics. A couple undergoing IVF is faced with four alternatives for their 16 or so surplus embryos:

Have them discarded.
Donate the embryos to another infertile couple in what is sometimes called "embryo adoption.".
Donate the embryos for research
Have the embryos preserved at very low temperatures.
There are very few parents willing to give their embryos to another couple for a variety of emotional reasons. There are very few couples willing to receive them for emotional reasons and because thawed embryos have such a low chance of starting a pregnancy. Preservation can be expensive. So most ask that they be discarded.

There are currently hundreds of thousands of surplus embryos in storage. One source estimated that there were 400,000 stored embryos by mid-2003. 4 However, a minority of pro-lifers and a majority of pro-life organizations object to the use of embryos in research. They feel that a few-days-old embryo is a human person. Extracting its stem cells kills the embryo -- an act that they consider to be murder. Stem cells can now be grown in the laboratory, so (in a pinch) some research can be done using existing stem cells. No further harvesting needs to be made from embryos. However, existing stem cell lines are gradually degrading and will soon be useless for research.

Stem cells can also be extracted from adult tissue, without harm to the subject. Unfortunately, they are difficult to remove and are severely limited in quantity. There has been a consensus among researchers that adult stem cells are limited in usefulness -- that they can be used to produce only a few of the 220 types of cells in the human body. However, some evidence is emerging that indicates that adult cells may be more flexible than has previously been believed.

Government research using embryo stem cells had been authorized in Britain, but was initially halted in the U.S. by President George W. Bush. He decided on 2001-AUG-9 to allow research to resume in government labs, but restricted researchers to use only 72 existing lines of stem cells. By 2003-MAY, most of these lines had become useless. Only 22 remained in mid-2006, and many of them were of limited usefulness because of DNA damage.

Research continues in U.S. private labs and in both government and private labs in the UK, Japan, France, Australia, and other countries. On 2002-SEP, Governor Davis of California signed bill SB 253 into law. It is the first law in the U.S. that permits stem cell research. Davis simultaneously signed a bill that permanently bans all human cloning in the state for reproduction purposes -- i.e. any effort to create a cloned individual.

Following former president Ronald Reagan's death due to Alzheimer's in 2004-JUN -- a slow, lingering disease that took a decade to kill him -- Nancy Reagan and all of her family, except for Michael Reagan, mounted a campaign to encourage President Bush to relax restrictions on embryo stem cell research. Fifty-eight senators, almost all Democrats, sent a letter to President Bush, urging the same action.

A federal bill passed the House on 2005-MAY-24 to allow government funded research on embryonic stem cells extracted from surplus embryos in fertility clinics. It was later passed by the Senate. President Bush vetoed it -- his first veto of his presidency.

If it's discovered that eating a 20 week fetus cures cancer, I hope he strikes that down too!

[Barb]

Just gotta step in for a good

Hey Brian, i know you've got more than that!

[frfksakes]

ok, I guess I'm asking for it in present company, but Democrat or Republican aside, do you really think Bush is a good President?

Please forget the social issues for a moment. And even the Iraq fiasco.

How about, when two oil men took office in 2001, gas here was UNDER a dollar, now it's over $3. hmmm...
Which is killing me.

And he's giving true conservatives a heart attack with his record-breaking government spending.

and I could go on, but the real question (and I’m seriously asking for a non-emotional, real answer)
is how can even a REPUBLICAN defend this administration?

Unless the social issues are the whole ball of wax for you, then maybe I get it. Is that it?

ty