"Behind the Music" Perry comment..rethink?

[Monker]

I can see where you are coming from...But, I don't think that is where Perry was coming from when he said that.

... The bottom line is that you can not control something that you are not a part of. Perry not a part of the band? Yeah, and the Pope isn't part of the Catholic church.

I think it's a little deeper than that. Yes, Perry was a part of the band. But I think what he meant was that he never felt of part of the core. Yes, he gained control, but he felt it was only because they gave him control. THE BAND was Schon, Rolie, & Herbie. They were the guys that really owned everything. As much in control as Perry may have been, I really think that he felt he was in control only because they gave him control. And that inherent ownership of control is why Perry was eventually pushed out.

Perry was definitely part of a band, a very successful band much because of him. However, Perry NEVER owned THE band, therefore he was never part of THE band.

And that's why he fought to own all of Journey that he had control over. He knows/knew that he never owned 'Journey', just the music made while was he in control...roughly, 78-97.

Think about it. If he was truly a part of THE band, then he could have ousted Neal Schon, no?

Perhaps, a game of semantics...but a very emotional and legal game for sure.


later~

[Red13JoePa]

I wonder if hard feelings perry may have caused when they gave him as producer of record FULL control over the ROR album was the deathblow that kept them mothballed until '96.

I mean you always had the regular hard feelings before but once they agreed to let him produce and Schon/Cain had zero rank as far as final say, THAT could've chafed their respective taints beyond repair.

[amaron]

Perry killed Journey by his own hand in 1986. Nothing has changed there. He doesn't get a pass on that.

Now, the whole hip thing... maybe Jack & Ass could have waited for him. I think this is the point where they took over completely. It was the Frig & Fro show from that point on.

Perry will never be back because he would actually have some control over what goes on.

[ohsherrie]

I'm pretty sure the comment was taken out of context in the editing. He said it as part of the discussion about when he first joined the band, but they used it later on in the program for greater dramatic effect.

Even if he had meant that he didn't feel like part of the band during ROR I could understand that though. Sometimes the "person with the power" is resented and therefore emotionally alienated from those over which he holds the power. Part of the band, could have been meant from a personal connection standpoint rather than a business partnership.

[MROCKFAN]

All this craziness makes me kind of scared to have fans now!

[WIX]

I understood it perfectly

it is like a family that adopts a child, no matter how hard you try to make them feel 100% part of the family, they never fully do ! there is that empty feeling inside like your treading on someone elses ground.

[SteveForever]

I understood it perfectly

it is like a family that adopts a child, no matter how hard you try to make them feel 100% part of the family, they never fully do ! there is that empty feeling inside like your treading on someone elses ground.

huh?

[Red13JoePa]

I cannot believe he would've meant that for his entire tenure of the band.

He may have been referring to like, the pre-ESC4P3 era in which case with Schon and Rolie wanting him in the band about as much as a venereal disease it would stand to reason. No way he could've felt that way from '81 on.

[GuessWho2]

Perry was twit, is a twit and will ALWAYS be a twit. His previous fuck ups have no bearing on the here and now. He had the brass ring, and let it go in '87...he had a SECOND shot in '96 and fucked that up too.

HUGE TALENT, HUGE EGO, small consideration for anyone but himself. Wait, are we talking about Perry or Fro?

Well it applies to both.

Sorry but it's true...and sometimes the truth hurts.

Talent by the bushel...idiosyncracies by the truckload.

The brass ring isn't everything at certain times in life. Do you know him personally or is this more heresy?

Heresy or HEARSAY? Heresy is a religious term that denotes straying from accepted religious canon. HEARSAY is when someone overhears something or is told something second hand and implies that it is the truth. Though I suppose BOTH could apply in this case.

I have met the man a few or more times, and more I have met people that spent lots of time with him, so I formed my own opinions based on both...THOUGH it seems that age has changed some of that and he isn't quite as self absorbed.

Heresy also means adherence to a controversial and unorthodox opinion. If you don't know a person well, I think it falls in that category. Would you appreciate a person you met a few times making those comments about you?

Isn't everyone here doing that exact thing to Neal, Jon and the rest of Journey??? YES...because it is THEIR opinion based on any number of things they have seen, read, heard or experienced. Are you saying they are wrong and shouldn't be saying these "terrible" things about Journey? Why should Perry be exempt from criticism? Many of the issues we are discussing today ultimately have their genesis in Perry's actions years go. He is fair game as far as I am concerned. That is my opinion, you certainly are entitled to yours. But please don't try and tell me not to voice my opinion, when that is what everyone else is doing in regards to Journey.

Perry is a twit based on my opinion. Nothing will change that. Oh and I could CARELESS what anyone who I only met a few time says about me. The onyl thing that matters is what my friends and family think.

[Liz22562]

OhSherrie - you took the words right out of my mouth. Since I joined this message board several years ago, there have been many discussions regarding BTM and most specifically regarding Perry's now infamous remark. If my memory serves me well (and as OhSherrie stated), the editing job done on BTM slanted the whole program. I believe there were some rebuttals to certain comments made, but VH1 would not record them and/or include them because of the "wow" factor.

Also, GuessWho2, As for what Perry did in the past being the genesis for what has occurred of late, how so? Please explain your thoughts on this. I see no connection in Perry's hip ailment (or whatever his reasons may have been) to Journey going through two more singers and/or the execution as to how those singers were replaced. Perhaps I'm missing your point or misread your statement???????


P.S. Where is the NIGmeister?

~Peace to all~

[conversationpc]

I still don't get Perry's comment. Even Herbie, who knows the inner workings of the band and these guy's personalities, thought the comment was ridiculous.

[GuessWho2]

Also, GuessWho2, As for what Perry did in the past being the genesis for what has occurred of late, how so? Please explain your thoughts on this. I see no connection in Perry's hip ailment (or whatever his reasons may have been) to Journey going through two more singers and/or the execution as to how those singers were replaced. Perhaps I'm missing your point or misread your statement???????

If Perry would have stayed in Journey in 1996, then they wouldn't need a new vocalist. He didn't want to tour, they rest of Journey did, he said he had a hip problem, so no tour, they wanted to go on asked Steve to go with them and he couldn't or wouldn't make a commitment to them. Journey did wait for Perry, 2 years as a matter of fact, but he would make NO COMMITMENT to them. If he would have they would have waited even longer.
Also if Perry wasn't such a control freak back in the ROR era then Neal and Jon wouldn't be acting like such douche bags today. They were so frustrated with having NO controll that NOW they can't see they are acting WORSE than Perry did in '85-'86. What we are seeing is the pendulum swinging back the other way.
That's my opinion anyways.

[Red13JoePa]

Dude, they were 2 years out in 1998. How long were they supposed to wait for him to give his almightly "HIGH" sign that he was ready to tour?

We'd STILL be awaiting the announcement of the first leg of the TBF tour.

[GuessWho2]

Dude, they were 2 years out in 1998. How long were they supposed to wait for him to give his almightly "HIGH" sign that he was ready to tour?

We'd STILL be awaiting the announcement of the first leg of the TBF tour.

I agree...they gave him more than enough time. But they would have waited if he would have made a commitment to them to go forward with the surgery and tour after. He didn't Neal and Jon were sick of him dictating to them and so they went on without him.

[Red13JoePa]

OK, sorry dude I spazed on you and probly misread your post.

[ohsherrie]

Dude, they were 2 years out in 1998. How long were they supposed to wait for him to give his almightly "HIGH" sign that he was ready to tour?

We'd STILL be awaiting the announcement of the first leg of the TBF tour.

I agree...they gave him more than enough time. But they would have waited if he would have made a commitment to them to go forward with the surgery and tour after. He didn't Neal and Jon were sick of him dictating to them and so they went on without him.

Can someone please show me a credible timeline on this two years thing. At Christmas time '96 they were doing radio promos for TBF and still planning on touring the following summer. By summer of '98 they had Augeri in the band and getting up to touring speed(well, if he was ever up to touring speed). He hadn't sung professionally in years so he had to have had several months to get his voice into shape for touring. So how can they have waited two years for Perry to decide what he was going to do? The most they could have waited before bringing Augeri in was a little over a year and they had to have started shopping around before that.

[Red13JoePa]

The most they could have waited before bringing Augeri in was a little over a year and they had to have started shopping around before that.

OK, then a year they waited.
That's STILL horrendous.
You start the tour right at or ideally BEFORE an album drops.

[ohsherrie]

The most they could have waited before bringing Augeri in was a little over a year and they had to have started shopping around before that.

OK, then a year they waited.
That's STILL horrendous.
You start the tour right at or ideally BEFORE an album drops.

I know 13. It's just that for about 8 or so years now I've been reading that "waited 2 yrs" crap in band interviews and in messageboard arguments. I just wanted to set the record straight that they couldn't possibly have waited 2 years to hire Augeri. In fact it was probably less than a year when you consider the audition and contractual processes that they had to have gone through before they could even start rehearsing.

[Red13JoePa]

I dunno though.

I think Neal said something like 2 weeks (could be wrong) was the window as far as first contact of Augeri and full ramp up to 1st show in the bay area June, 1998.

[Deb]

The most they could have waited before bringing Augeri in was a little over a year and they had to have started shopping around before that.

OK, then a year they waited.
That's STILL horrendous.
You start the tour right at or ideally BEFORE an album drops.

See, and I find it horrendous that they only waited a year or less to start auditioning new singers. You or I or anybody has no idea of what could/should/would have happened. But hey, there isn't much we agree on when it comes to Perry.

[ohsherrie]

I dunno though.

I think Neal said something like 2 weeks (could be wrong) was the window as far as first contact of Augeri and full ramp up to 1st show in the bay area June, 1998.

You know that can't be true 13. It's completely impossible from a vocal/rehearsal, logistical and legal standpoint. We all know how much credance we can give what "Neal said" too.

[Red13JoePa]

I dunno though.

I think Neal said something like 2 weeks (could be wrong) was the window as far as first contact of Augeri and full ramp up to 1st show in the bay area June, 1998.

You know that can't be true 13. It's completely impossible from a vocal/rehearsal, logistical and legal standpoint. We all know how much credance we can give what "Neal said" too.

I THINK I read it somewhere that it was pretty damn whirlwind as far as first phone call to Augeri to opening night.

I'll try and find it.

[Henley]

Oh and I could CARELESS what anyone who I only met a few time says about me. The onyl thing that matters is what my friends and family think.

It seems you and Steve have at least one thing in common.

[Monker]

I still don't get Perry's comment. Even Herbie, who knows the inner workings of the band and these guy's personalities, thought the comment was ridiculous.

And, Herbie also said Perry had to give his final OK for the BTM...and even had the promo axed of Herbie's rebuttal of this very comment, "Yeah, and the Pope isn't Catholic." And, Jonathan said that he always knew Perry felt this way, but he never thought he would say it and was suprised when he heard it on the BTM.

Perry said he NEVER felt like part of the band...not "In the first few years, I didn't feel like part of the band." Or, "I did not feel like part of the band until I was able to produce an album and fire Smith and Valory."

[Monker]

Dude, they were 2 years out in 1998. How long were they supposed to wait for him to give his almightly "HIGH" sign that he was ready to tour?

We'd STILL be awaiting the announcement of the first leg of the TBF tour.

I agree...they gave him more than enough time. But they would have waited if he would have made a commitment to them to go forward with the surgery and tour after. He didn't Neal and Jon were sick of him dictating to them and so they went on without him.

Can someone please show me a credible timeline on this two years thing. At Christmas time '96 they were doing radio promos for TBF and still planning on touring the following summer. By summer of '98 they had Augeri in the band and getting up to touring speed(well, if he was ever up to touring speed). He hadn't sung professionally in years so he had to have had several months to get his voice into shape for touring. So how can they have waited two years for Perry to decide what he was going to do? The most they could have waited before bringing Augeri in was a little over a year and they had to have started shopping around before that.

It depends on how you look at it. His 'injury' happened in the summer of '96. On those radio interviews you talk about, Perry LIED and said he was fine, or he LIED after and said he wasn't. In any case, his hip 'problem' happened months earlier.

[Rick]

I still don't get Perry's comment. Even Herbie, who knows the inner workings of the band and these guy's personalities, thought the comment was ridiculous.

And, Herbie also said Perry had to give his final OK for the BTM...and even had the promo axed of Herbie's rebuttal of this very comment, "Yeah, and the Pope isn't Catholic." And, Jonathan said that he always knew Perry felt this way, but he never thought he would say it and was suprised when he heard it on the BTM.

Perry said he NEVER felt like part of the band...not "In the first few years, I didn't feel like part of the band." Or, "I did not feel like part of the band until I was able to produce an album and fire Smith and Valory."

I think he didn't feel like part of the band because of his own neurotic problems. He alienated himself from them because he was losing his voice and they kept at him to keep on going. It was all about resentment.

[Lora]

I still don't get Perry's comment. Even Herbie, who knows the inner workings of the band and these guy's personalities, thought the comment was ridiculous.

And, Herbie also said Perry had to give his final OK for the BTM...and even had the promo axed of Herbie's rebuttal of this very comment, "Yeah, and the Pope isn't Catholic." And, Jonathan said that he always knew Perry felt this way, but he never thought he would say it and was suprised when he heard it on the BTM.

Perry said he NEVER felt like part of the band...not "In the first few years, I didn't feel like part of the band." Or, "I did not feel like part of the band until I was able to produce an album and fire Smith and Valory."

Don't you ever get tired of bouncing from thread to thread spewing your negative (and mostly incorrect) crap?

[Monker]

The most they could have waited before bringing Augeri in was a little over a year and they had to have started shopping around before that.

OK, then a year they waited.
That's STILL horrendous.
You start the tour right at or ideally BEFORE an album drops.

See, and I find it horrendous that they only waited a year or less to start auditioning new singers. You or I or anybody has no idea of what could/should/would have happened. But hey, there isn't much we agree on when it comes to Perry.

How about the FACT that nobody even knew it was Perry's hip that was the issue until Neal and Jonathan were interviewed by Andrew? Perry made no comment on it AT ALL until later.

You all condemn Augeri for not commenting on his voice. You condemn Neal and Jonathan for not talking about the latest scandal. Are you going to condemn Perry for doing EXACTLY THE SAME THING?

[whocares]

Lora, didn't you or Cyndy! or both say recently enough, that you were there, when they taped all of Steve's stuff?

[SteveForever]

Are you going to condemn Perry for doing EXACTLY THE SAME THING?

NO