Us against the "other" Journey fans....

[pedro]

Of all the forums I participate in, this forum has by far the most number of personal attacks I've ever seen. It's almost like there's 500 of the same person using different log in names. Very weird...

I'm glad the the site owner from what I'm seeing is starting to clean house.

You'll be one of the first to go.

your call. its your site. can I ask why?

[STORY_TELLER]

I didn't mean chart-topping or anything related. But compared to their usual media coverage, yes, major.

Aside from DSB used in the Sopranos or a baseball teams adopting the song for superstitious reasons, what media coverage are you referring to? Oh wait, you mean the NON EXISTENT MEDIA COVERAGE! OHHHHhhhhh...

Yeah, okay, in that context, yes it would be a major resurgence.

(all said with tongue in cheek so don't take it offensively)

[Deb]

Basically we are all here for a reason...we are now (or at one time or another) devoted Journey fans.

This us and them shit pisses me off.

Kumbaya, my lord, kumbaya..........

Sorry Drew, just had to..... :wink:

[Onestepper]

I think its pretty funny when someone uses the 'well you only have x amount of posts, and I have hundreds more, and that makes me credible'.

Please get over yourself. I've seen it on this board more than any other that I view or participate in, and I'm just amazed that there are those that really feel like their opinion is more valid because they've either been around this board longer, or took the time out of their day to express it 700 more times than the person that chose not to.

I absolutely despise what Journey has become..but if you honestly believe that there is not a legion of fans that have no idea what the day to day drama with x vocalist, or x tribute band singer is...you quite possibly could be dumbest human alive. They don't care. If it says Journey...they will be there. I'm not saying they will enjoy it as much as they would with an SP type lineup..but they will be there because it has the Journey name. End of conversation. People don't care for the most part...they are living their lives and love the music because they either grew up with it, or it played a part in their lives in some capacity. Most of my friends have no idea that SA even left the band and still to this day think SP may eventually get back together with the band. But if Journey books a show in our city...every single one of them will go..because they just want to hear the music. Lead singer be damned.

You guys (and gals) do realize we're like a .00001 percent of all the Journey fans world wide right? We're not the majority by any means. Even if every Journey fan on this forum vowed to never again see Journey because of singer "x" they would still fill huge venues right. C'mon...you know we're a small bunch, very vocal, but still a small bunch..right? ME? I can't wait to see them again, regardless of singer "x".

No, actually you just have a very small number of posts and very little credibility on this forum. You're the minority. Deal with it.

[Monker]

I'm convinced that Journey could have had a major resurgance if they had continued with JSS.

LOL...it would have never happened. The band doesn't want it enough for it to happen.

It's like all the crap about Perry 'coming back'. It can't happen if he doesn't WANT it to happen and is willing to put the work into it.

Journey is the same way. There is NO WAY that is going to happen...no matter who is singing. They don't want to put the work into another album like Arrival, on a major label, and all of the bullshit that goes along with it. All they care about is touring and making an easy buck. Everybody who jumped on the JSS bandwagon was destined for disapointment...and I could see it coming.

[Strange Medicine]

I didn't mean chart-topping or anything related. But compared to their usual media coverage, yes, major.

Aside from DSB used in the Sopranos or a baseball teams adopting the song for superstitious reasons, what media coverage are you referring to? Oh wait, you mean the NON EXISTENT MEDIA COVERAGE! OHHHHhhhhh...

Yeah, okay, in that context, yes it would be a major resurgence.

(all said with tongue in cheek so don't take it offensively)

I don't take offense easily. I lol'd.

[texafana]

"All they care about is touring and making an easy buck." Easy? C'mon...touring is NOT easy for these near 60 year olds. And you can tell when Neal gets pissed off at his sound tech when his guitar tone is crappy that he CARES about his performance. And they HAVE done more than just tour with the hits. They DID put out new material, several times. If they didn't put out any new material I might agree with you in limited form, but at their heart they are first and foremost musicians, and they love performing. You can see it in their eyes, emotions when they perform live. They are not just sitting there going through the motions. They get into it, sweat their ass off, play emotional solos, etc, etc. Easy buck? No way dude....no way.

[Barb]

You guys (and gals) do realize we're like a .00001 percent of all the Journey fans world wide right? We're not the majority by any means. Even if every Journey fan on this forum vowed to never again see Journey because of singer "x" they would still fill huge venues right. C'mon...you know we're a small bunch, very vocal, but still a small bunch..right? ME? I can't wait to see them again, regardless of singer "x".

Of course we know that. That is why they don't give a crap what we think and why I don't give a crap about them. They don't care; I don't care = EVEN.

[brandonx76]

"All they care about is touring and making an easy buck." Easy? C'mon...touring is NOT easy for these near 60 year olds. And you can tell when Neal gets pissed off at his sound tech when his guitar tone is crappy that he CARES about his performance. And they HAVE done more than just tour with the hits. They DID put out new material, several times. If they didn't put out any new material I might agree with you in limited form, but at their heart they are first and foremost musicians, and they love performing. You can see it in their eyes, emotions when they perform live. They are not just sitting there going through the motions. They get into it, sweat their ass off, play emotional solos, etc, etc. Easy buck? No way dude....no way.

Yeah, I don't see it as an easy job either, especially since they do it really well, even if the singer's seem to be replaced more often than Spinal Tap's drummers...Plus they have tinnitus. Being old and traveling can be a drag too....

[mistiejourney]

Maybe an interesting co-headlining pairing that could play big venues...?

That's the plan...although I wasn't told who with.

hey DREW!! I've got it!!!

JSSB opens for Journey!!!! through a little Soul SirkUS stuff in the middle!!!! wouldn't it be a great pay back for Jeff's effort?

DANG!!!! Oh--I am going to be toasted for this.....fire away. flame suit is on.

No flaming!! Just reverse it - Journey opens for JSSB

[Crazie Scarab]

You guys (and gals) do realize we're like a .00001 percent of all the Journey fans world wide right? We're not the majority by any means. Even if every Journey fan on this forum vowed to never again see Journey because of singer "x" they would still fill huge venues right. C'mon...you know we're a small bunch, very vocal, but still a small bunch..right? ME? I can't wait to see them again, regardless of singer "x".

Of course we know that. That is why they don't give a crap what we think and why I don't give a crap about them. They don't care; I don't care = EVEN.

I wish I could make as much money as Journey does while doing a 3rd rate job. I work my ass off doing a 1st rate job and get paid squat.

[Voyager]

You're mistaken if you think that most people do not care who is singing for Journey. Steve Perry had a huge solo career, and many Journey fans followed it very closely. So it's not like people don't know or care who is singing for Journey. The fans gave Augeri a chance, and warmed up to him because Journey with Augeri was better than no Journey. Then Journey switched singers again. We don't know how that would have sold to the fans, because they opened up for Def Leppard when Augeri left and JSS took over. Now Journey is about to parade another Perry impersonator out on the road. If you think the majority of Journey fans won't be aware of this, you're mistaken.

Journey is now at about the level of Foreigner or Styx on a fan popularity level. They all fall into the category of bands that have replaced their lead singers with vocalists that don't even have a gold record under their belt. Styx is probably in the lead popularity-wise because at least they still have one of their lead singers. None of these bands can tour on their own and pack a decent-size house any longer. This is because their popularity has been severely diluted due to the departure of the voices and faces that made them bigger than life. They can only hope that people will toss them a paltry donation based on the nostalgia value that these bands created for their fans' photo albums.

Granted, this forum may not speak for 99% of the Journey fans out there, but at the same time, it's not like this band is going to be selling out any large venues on their own merit anytime soon. If they are lucky, they might be able to sell a handful of tickets to your local county fair's grandstand opening for Steppenwolf, but we're not talking about arena rockers anymore people. While there may still be a few nostalgic bands that can still sell out concert arenas around the USA, it's not going to be Journey or Foreigner. It's going to be bands that still have their lead singers, such as the Eagles, The Police, U2, Bon Jovi, and the Rolling Stones. Journey is no longer in the same league as these bands. Bon Jovi wouldn't be either if they lost Jon Bon Jovi and replaced him with Arnel Pineda.

[bluejeangirl76]

You're mistaken if you think that most people do not care who is singing for Journey.

That's true. I happen to believe the numbers are pretty even. For every person who goes to a Journey show because "hey I used to like them" and is there casually because they like the Greatest Hits CD or heard DSB on The OC or whatever show that was, and they aren't that invested, there are just as many people at home watching CSI not caring they're in town - these are the folks who were at the JFK Stadium show or the Mt. Aire show or (insert your city here) show and are saying "Journey's still touring? Oh. Well.. okay, whatever, fuck you, call me when they get Perry back."

I've got one of these in my family. I asked her if she wanted to go with me last summer and she more or less said "fuck you, call me when they get Perry back." I think it only seems unbalanced because we never really hear from that side. They're happy to catch a rumor on the radio and go "hey cool, Perry might get back with Journey, I'll be sure to catch that show if he does..." other than that, they aren't following what's going on.

I actually had said family member come to me in June after the fiasco and told me "Steve Perry is getting back with Journey." I said "No, he's not. I don't know where you heard that but it's not true." She insisted it was true because she read it somewhere or another, and said "if that happens, I'll go in a MINUTE." But other than that, she hasn't worried much about it. These are the people we never hear from, but they ARE out there and there are lots of them.

[Voyager]

I actually had said family member come to me in June after the fiasco and told me "Steve Perry is getting back with Journey." I said "No, he's not. I don't know where you heard that but it's not true." She insisted it was true because she read it somewhere or another, and said "if that happens, I'll go in a MINUTE." But other than that, she hasn't worried much about it. These are the people we never hear from, but they ARE out there and there are lots of them.

That's funny, because my wife is the one who told me about hearing that Steve Perry was back in Journey a few weeks ago on our local radio station. My wife is your typical casual Journey fan. She went with me to see them with Augeri, and with JSS, but she has absolutely no interest in seeing Journey with Arnel or anyone other than Steve Perry again. She would tell me to mortgage the house to get tickets to see Journey with Perry, but other than that, she is done with them. I think her attitude is the prevailing one out there now, like it or not.

[stevew2]

[quote="Monker"][quote="Strange Medicine"]I'm convinced that Journey could have had a major resurgance if they had continued with JSS.[/quote]

LOL...it would have never happened. The band doesn't want it enough for it to happen.

It's like all the crap about Perry 'coming back'. It can't happen if he doesn't WANT it to happen and is willing to put the work into it.

Journey is the same way. There is NO WAY that is going to happen...no matter who is singing. They don't want to put the work into another album like Arrival, on a major label, and all of the bullshit that goes along with it. All they care about is touring and making an easy buck. Everybody who jumped on the JSS bandwagon was destined for disapointment...and I could see it coming.[/quote]-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Im not sure if i like the "I told you so approach.but i do agree that they put alot of work into Arrival, and no one gave a shit,and they gave up after that.I dont know what red 13 was,and Generations was an after thought cause SteveA wanted to do something,anything.You are right ,they just want to make the buck.Not mine anymore.i spent 5 grand on them fuckers, no more,They suck

[Little Lenny]

I don't really do all this analysing stuff when it comes to music, if i like it i listen, if i don't like it I don't listen. All the same the reading is interesting

There are songs I love by Journey songs I can take or leave, songs i can't get into. at the end of the day I just think whatever they do in the future at least I have got a collection of music I can listen to when the mood takes me.

I don't care if I'm in a minority, or a majority. The enjoyment of listening to music is what is important for me. I am,I suppose, independent of thought when it comes to all the nitty gritty of statistics, sales, how many seats in what venue. To me they could play on a street corner and If I liked what they were playing I would listen

Basically I suppose what I'm saying is it's music that is my first concern, and people making the beautiful sound second

But that's just me, I know not everyone sees it that way

[lidobar]

"All they care about is touring and making an easy buck." Easy? C'mon...touring is NOT easy for these near 60 year olds. And you can tell when Neal gets pissed off at his sound tech when his guitar tone is crappy that he CARES about his performance. And they HAVE done more than just tour with the hits. They DID put out new material, several times. If they didn't put out any new material I might agree with you in limited form, but at their heart they are first and foremost musicians, and they love performing. You can see it in their eyes, emotions when they perform live. They are not just sitting there going through the motions. They get into it, sweat their ass off, play emotional solos, etc, etc. Easy buck? No way dude....no way.

that's right texafana, don't let the bastards grind you down. there's quite a few of us supporters left, we're just layin' low.

[larryfromnextdoor]

I don't really do all this analysing stuff when it comes to music, if i like it i listen, if i don't like it I don't listen.

things a chicka would say for a 1000 chuck...

[stevew2]

[quote="Little Lenny"]I don't really do all this analysing stuff when it comes to music, if i like it i listen, if i don't like it I don't listen. All the same the reading is interesting :D

There are songs I love by Journey songs I can take or leave, songs i can't get into. at the end of the day I just think whatever they do in the future at least I have got a collection of music I can listen to when the mood takes me.

I don't care if I'm in a minority, or a majority. The enjoyment of listening to music is what is important for me. I am,I suppose, independent of thought when it comes to all the nitty gritty of statistics, sales, how many seats in what venue. To me they could play on a street corner and If I liked what they were playing I would listen :)

Basically I suppose what I'm saying is it's music that is my first concern, and people making the beautiful sound second :)

But that's just me, I know not everyone sees it that way :)[/quote]-----------------------------------------------------------------
Thats cool ,you are cute

[Little Lenny]

I don't really do all this analysing stuff when it comes to music, if i like it i listen, if i don't like it I don't listen.

things a chicka would say for a 1000 chuck...

[Little Lenny]

I don't really do all this analysing stuff when it comes to music, if i like it i listen, if i don't like it I don't listen.

things a chicka would say for a 1000 chuck...

Thanks for the enlightenment LFND!!

well this is why I said what I said:D

I think with me it's more the fact that I love so many kinds of music, so I don't see the point in getting too serious about it. I leave analysis for when I'm researching my History,or something more grave, like why our local government in my city still has people homeless 6 months after our city flooded .
I don't know about chords etc, I just play my guitar and keyboard by the sound it makes, so everything I have learned has come by just playing and finding the right place to put my fingers at the time on the guitar or the keyboard.
I don't even believe in analyzing Art and I'm a painter...Lol I believe Art forms are something that should be enjoyed and that is all, and I see music as a whole as an art form.

So regarding the above post I feel that whatever they do in the future as long as Journey produce something that makes me think oooh I like that, then they could play concerts in phone booth for all I care. and I could be the only person listening:)

Like I said though that is just me, everyone has their own ideas

[Little Lenny]

I don't really do all this analysing stuff when it comes to music, if i like it i listen, if i don't like it I don't listen. All the same the reading is interesting

There are songs I love by Journey songs I can take or leave, songs i can't get into. at the end of the day I just think whatever they do in the future at least I have got a collection of music I can listen to when the mood takes me.

I don't care if I'm in a minority, or a majority. The enjoyment of listening to music is what is important for me. I am,I suppose, independent of thought when it comes to all the nitty gritty of statistics, sales, how many seats in what venue. To me they could play on a street corner and If I liked what they were playing I would listen

Basically I suppose what I'm saying is it's music that is my first concern, and people making the beautiful sound second

But that's just me, I know not everyone sees it that way

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Thats cool ,you are cute

merci

[stevew2]

If you enjoy the music,thats cool, all the other"nitty gritty' takes away from it, more power to ya have fun

[strangegrey]

You guys (and gals) do realize we're like a .00001 percent of all the Journey fans world wide right? We're not the majority by any means. Even if every Journey fan on this forum vowed to never again see Journey because of singer "x" they would still fill huge venues right. C'mon...you know we're a small bunch, very vocal, but still a small bunch..right? ME? I can't wait to see them again, regardless of singer "x".

You might have had an argument 10-20 years ago. But NOT now.

What you're saying, and let me get your math correct, is that the online portion of journey fans represent 1/100,000 of the total fan base for Journey?

Andrew's got 6000 users here. He's not the only Journey site on the net...and there were far more active users over at Whack Talk, when it was active. But lets for argument sake, assume we're just talking about andrew's posters.

6,000 X 100,000 = 600,000,000

So you're saying that there are 600 million journey fans worldwide? What crack are you smoking? or did you just make up that number to be cool?

Hell, lets drop the sample to 60. Let's assume there are only 60 active users here...which is a gross underestimate of online journey fans by biblical proportions....

60 X 100,000 = 6 million.

Trust me, there aren't even 6 million Journey fans anymore.

Hell, I'd have a hard time believing anything higher than 5 figures at this point. really....

Journey will be able to draw, on their own, maybe 1-2 thousand a city...and that's being GENEROUS. If they tour 30 cities, we're talking 60k people, tops...and that's STILL being generous.



Let's get downt to brass tacks here. The cold hard facts in this case, is that Journey may feel this way...and that may suggest their lame ass reasons for doing the stupid shit they do....but the internet fan base makes up a FAR larger portion of Journey's main, active fan base...and that's journey's dumbass mistake....they just dont know their fans anymore.


I guarantee, as a result of this singer debauchery, that a new album with Arnel actually sells a FRACTION of what Generations sold. I'll insert my penis into a bowl of ground up glass if that doesn't end up being the case.

[Red13JoePa]

Of all the forums I participate in, this forum has by far the most number of personal attacks I've ever seen. It's almost like there's 500 of the same person using different log in names. Very weird...

I'm glad the the site owner from what I'm seeing is starting to clean house.

You'll be one of the first to go.

Classic McNiece.

[bluejeangirl76]

So you're saying that there are 600 million journey fans worldwide? What crack are you smoking? or did you just make up that number to be cool?

I think you have cracked the case.

I guarantee, as a result of this singer debauchery, that a new album with Arnel actually sells a FRACTION of what Generations sold. I'll insert my penis into a bowl of ground up glass if that doesn't end up being the case.

Well, that's a pretty dead serious committment. Though you're not wrong. If they actually make it to the recording stage... ...it's going to be sitting in record stores with a discount sticker on it. The only way they will get that shit into people's hands is by giving it away. Me... I'll jack free mp3s off the net out of curiousity, and no doubt end up deleting them (or maybe keeping them for when I need a laugh?).

[Moon Beam]

We are not only a minority - we are so much in the minority that we are insignificant to the band.

Good, then they won't need our money to achieve their financial goals
now will they Mr Monker?

[xflajrnylvr]

If they really wanted to write new music they would have kept JSS. the way i uderstood frick and frack when last heard from them is they want ot live off thier legacy and to me That means dirty dozen tours.

If you think they would fill arenas or stadiums now you have to be living under a rock When they toured frlorida last Feb afte th tour with Def they couldnt even sell out the 2100 seat venue they played at in Feb here i locally I found out the actuasl ticket sales for that show was just over 1800 and you call that a major ........

whatever

Iahve my boots to live with and all the memories of those showws from 81-2007 I have seen

[Lula]

We are not only a minority - we are so much in the minority that we are insignificant to the band.

Good, then they won't need our money to achieve their financial goals
now will they Mr Monker?

Moon Rocks!!

[Rhiannon]

We are not only a minority - we are so much in the minority that we are insignificant to the band.

Good, then they won't need our money to achieve their financial goals
now will they Mr Monker?

Moon Rocks!!

Moon smokes rocks, too. But she makes a damn good point!!