All bs aside, doesn't Neal, Jon, Ross, Deen still rock?

[Tom Jrnyfn]

[quote

Problem is, are they going to waste all of that talent and creativity on nothing but Nostalgia or
will they put it to good use on some new material, whether it be Arnel or anybody else?[/quote]

That's the key! I just cannot stomach the greatest hits anymore. I think the creative tank is empty.

[Behshad]

"Although I will never go see them live" Then please do not critique their live show. Videos while informative never show the full picture, the dynamics, the spontaneous solos, etc, etc. And sadly if you think Neal can't get any better (he certainly has over the years) then either you are not a musician or you don't fully grasp the fact that once technical skills reach a plateau, "tasteful" skills can continue to develop. Playing with emotion, etc. Take Peter Frampton for instance, at his age he certainly has proven his overall guitar skills are still developing. There's more to guitar playing than flash, speed, etc. A nice tasteful, emotional solo almost everytime will outshine speed playing anyday.

"A true Journey fan would disagree with me of course! but a true guitar player would agree with me.."

Wrong again..and agian...and again....etc, etc.

"I mean take a look at Ross. He looks like he could fall asleep in middle of a song." Perhaps you just don't like these guys on a personal level, but to say something like this (after you post you will never see them live) is just strange, because Ross, if you focus on him for quite a while during a live show, will crack jokes visually to the audience and in spoken word to the other band members, during a song. Perhaps it's time to ignore your comments...

Dear Lord, Texarcanna...

Spare us the self-righteous drivel and just say that you disagree w/ B's "opinions", state why you disagree and leave it at that.
Or follow your own and advice and "ignore the comments you don't agree with..."

Yo B, I happen to agree w/ you; Ross DOES look like he'd fall asleep on-stage since he could probably play these same old, worn out songs, LITERALLY, in his sleep... maybe that's why he does clown with the audience, to stay awake

Thank you Carl and Debbie.
Its one thing if we dont see things eye to eye, but to just be plain ignorant and copy/paste/quoute me to this point is ridicolous!
What I think about Neal&Co has no affect on Journeys cd/tickets sales. I just simply answered the question that was the topic. I belive this trouble maker was looking for one person to agree to cause more trouble! Sorry my answer didnt match yours!

[Behshad]

And Neal is not underrated. He is a good guitar player that has had the recognition (and $$) he deserves. He has reached his point where he can not get any better, but that doesnt make him any of the best.

Thanks Dave, for gettin rid of that Neal smell
I knew you'd disagree with me, but its not the 1st (nor the last ) time we dont agree ! you gotta agree with me on this one!

[Lula]

[quote

Problem is, are they going to waste all of that talent and creativity on nothing but Nostalgia or
will they put it to good use on some new material, whether it be Arnel or anybody else?

That's the key! I just cannot stomach the greatest hits anymore. I think the creative tank is empty.[/quote]

My sentiments exactly!

[texafana]

"but I doubt it if they will manage to top their last tour, due to age and lack of motivation!"
"Although I will never go see them live"
"fuck off please, you troublemaking troll. Just cause I dont agree with you and I dont say things u wanna hear you think my opinons dont count."

Sorry, now you're just amusing to read. You go on and on making fun of the band members, saying they're too old or not motivated, combined with the amusing "I will never see then live", lol.. Go get some credibility, you're making yourself look rediculous. Sorry for the forum trash, won't waste anymore space replying to Behshad.

[StoneCold]

Hey Lula, great new avatar, what a cute kid!

Just think, 10 years from now, the J band will want him to front them for the Geriatric Tour!

He'd be the only one under 50!

[bluejeangirl76]

Hey Lula, great new avatar, what a cute kid!

Just think, 10 years from now, the J band will want him to front them for the Geriatric Tour!

He'd be the only one under 50!

But he will still tower over Neal.

[(Crazy)Dulce Lady]

"but I doubt it if they will manage to top their last tour, due to age and lack of motivation!"
"Although I will never go see them live"
"fuck off please, you troublemaking troll. Just cause I dont agree with you and I dont say things u wanna hear you think my opinons dont count."

Sorry, now you're just amusing to read. You go on and on making fun of the band members, saying they're too old or not motivated, combined with the amusing "I will never see then live", lol.. Go get some credibility, you're making yourself look rediculous. Sorry for the forum trash, won't waste anymore space replying to Behshad.

you can't begin to keep up with Behshad. it's great that you are quitting before getting further behind.

Ross is always entertaining to me. you know how I feel about this...1-800-ROSSROCKS. I did notice, however, and I have said it before, that Ross was more into the music during the 3 hour show year. especially the mostly instrumental pieces. i.e. Cookie Duster. but, the pre-perry music it is just more musically interesting, imho. Jeff could have fit into that set so well (on keys or bass even)--he is great at improv/jamming. And he knows every song ever written I think!

you know how I feel about t

[Crazie Scarab]

Nah.. They suck. They lost their balls and many great people

At least Jeff still has his pride and great people all around him.

[Carlitto H@kk]

Sorry, now you're just amusing to read. You go on and on making fun of the band members, saying they're too old or not motivated, combined with the amusing "I will never see then live", lol.. Go get some credibility, you're making yourself look rediculous. Sorry for the forum trash, won't waste anymore space replying to Behshad.

Gee, what's so amusing about that?

Fact is, they are getting old. And there's enuff evidence out there
to support the idea that this band has lost it's motivation...
Look no further than the hiring of someone that has no proven songwriting
skills, yet supposedly holds true to the "legacy" sound Jon and Co. long to get back
to... What do you think that screams???

"Gosh almighty, die hard fans! We're just too old to give it a go at
writing some new material, trying something new, taking chances at starting fresh.
besides, can't make any money in the studio. Tourng behind all of our PAST
achievements, especially Stephen's catalog, is where it's at!"

But hey, that's just MY OWN OPINION...
Go ahead, tell me why I am ridiculous now. I'd LOVE to hear it

BTW, Got any credibility to spare since you seem t be overflowing w/ it?
Spare a Square???

[StevePerryHair]

"but I doubt it if they will manage to top their last tour, due to age and lack of motivation!"
"Although I will never go see them live"
"fuck off please, you troublemaking troll. Just cause I dont agree with you and I dont say things u wanna hear you think my opinons dont count."

Sorry, now you're just amusing to read. You go on and on making fun of the band members, saying they're too old or not motivated, combined with the amusing "I will never see then live", lol.. Go get some credibility, you're making yourself look rediculous. Sorry for the forum trash, won't waste anymore space replying to Behshad.

You keep dwelling on that one statement "Although I will never go see them live" What Behshad forgot to add to that statement is the AGAIN at the end. He HAS seen Journey live. He has seen Ross and Neal live. And this is his opinion. And I'm sure he's not alone in that opinion. I don't see where he is even "making fun" of band members. He said Neal is good, and he only said Ross looks sleepy. I can think of worse things someone could say. And they DO have lack of motivation. That is a FACT. If a band gets rid of their new MOTIVATED front man, to find a new front man who will sing the Nastalgia songs and bring them back to their original sound, that pretty much shows a LACK OF MOTIVATION.

[Abitaman]

Neal has always been my favorite axeman. Jon is in the top 10 (he is a much better writer than player,IMO). Deen is in my top 10 too. Ross has never ranked. He is good, but so laid back, he slips by without ever knowing he was there, you just know the music was great-ERIC

[texafana]

And they DO have lack of motivation. That is a FACT. If a band gets rid of their new MOTIVATED front man, to find a new front man who will sing the Nastalgia songs and bring them back to their original sound, that pretty much shows a LACK OF MOTIVATION.

What do what them motivated to do? Write new material with JSS or Arnel? pffft. I'm sure they will have new material at some point, but quite frankly..I could care less if they do or not! I've been a fan since their Santana heritage, they've won me over 30 years ago or more. I LOVE seeing the "greatest hits" performed and why shouldn't I? It's DAMN good music that sounds best performed live. Regardless if they do it for a paycheck or do it for the love of performing, it takes a major amount of motivation to tour at their age. I'd say a HUGE MAJOR amount of motivation.

Some of you need to stop acting like family members who never get a Christmas card, and go back to being a fan of the music, and the musician. Get out of their head and put on some tunes and lose yourself. jeesh...

[StevePerryHair]

And they DO have lack of motivation. That is a FACT. If a band gets rid of their new MOTIVATED front man, to find a new front man who will sing the Nastalgia songs and bring them back to their original sound, that pretty much shows a LACK OF MOTIVATION.

What do what them motivated to do? Write new material with JSS or Arnel? pffft. I'm sure they will have new material at some point, but quite frankly..I could care less if they do or not! I've been a fan since their Santana heritage, they've won me over 30 years ago or more. I LOVE seeing the "greatest hits" performed and why shouldn't I? It's DAMN good music that sounds best performed live. Regardless if they do it for a paycheck or do it for the love of performing, it takes a major amount of motivation to tour at their age. I'd say a HUGE MAJOR amount of motivation.

Some of you need to stop acting like family members who never get a Christmas card, and go back to being a fan of the music, and the musician. Get out of their head and put on some tunes and lose yourself. jeesh...

You have NO idea what you are talking about. I AM a fan of the music, therefore I have the cd's. I am a huge SP fan. It's not about "family" it's about the fact that they actually had promise to be something more than just the nastalgia, and for the first time in MANY years, I was actually excited about Journey again. I lost that excitement the day I found out they let JSS go. And you said it, the motivation getting them out there is MONEY. That's not the type of motivation I am talking about here. And that's my opinion. You can keep yours.

[Crazy4Ross]

They rocked last summer ,only and only cause they had the energizer bunny, JSS with them.
Will they be able to do it again in 2008? I doubt it.I hope Im wrong (Although I will never go see them live) but I doubt it if they will manage to top their last tour, due to age and lack of motivation! I mean take a look at Ross. He looks like he could fall asleep in middle of a song.
And Neal is not underrated. He is a good guitar player that has had the recognition (and $$) he deserves. He has reached his point where he can not get any better, but that doesnt make him any of the best.

Hey Beshad..gotta disagree with you about Ross..he gives it a 110% everynight he's up there and is really enjoying himself. He just doesn't run around all over the stage..he never did. JMHO.

I loved JSS with Journey and have become a fan of Jeff's other work as well. He's got a fan for life.

[Rip Rokken]

And they DO have lack of motivation. That is a FACT. If a band gets rid of their new MOTIVATED front man, to find a new front man who will sing the Nastalgia songs and bring them back to their original sound, that pretty much shows a LACK OF MOTIVATION.

What do what them motivated to do? Write new material with JSS or Arnel? pffft. I'm sure they will have new material at some point, but quite frankly..I could care less if they do or not! I've been a fan since their Santana heritage, they've won me over 30 years ago or more. I LOVE seeing the "greatest hits" performed and why shouldn't I? It's DAMN good music that sounds best performed live. Regardless if they do it for a paycheck or do it for the love of performing, it takes a major amount of motivation to tour at their age. I'd say a HUGE MAJOR amount of motivation.

Some of you need to stop acting like family members who never get a Christmas card, and go back to being a fan of the music, and the musician. Get out of their head and put on some tunes and lose yourself. jeesh...

You have NO idea what you are talking about. I AM a fan of the music, therefore I have the cd's. I am a huge SP fan. It's not about "family" it's about the fact that they actually had promise to be something more than just the nastalgia, and for the first time in MANY years, I was actually excited about Journey again. I lost that excitement the day I found out they let JSS go. And you said it, the motivation getting them out there is MONEY. That's not the type of motivation I am talking about here. And that's my opinion. You can keep yours.

There are several bands that I wish would put out new music that kinda avoid doing so, and stick to the nostalgia thing. Not being on a major label affects that, I'm sure, as well as not having huge buyer interest. "Generations" was first given away to concert goers. Now, I have no clue how many "Arrival", "Red 13" and "Generations" discs were sold, but ultimately, I'm sure money does play into it. I'd make music for the music's sake, but would hate to put my best efforts into something I couldn't get much of a return on my investment for, or which would not be heard by the anywhere close to the number of people I'd like.

Someone recently made a comment about the Van Halen tour, saying something like, "I don't want to hear anything new -- just the classic stuff." I've always disagreed -- I always care about new music from bands I like, no matter how poorly circulated it is. There are many people that just disagree and just want to relive some nostalgia (I can't relate to them, but hey...)

I hated it when they dropped Jeff, and maybe they were afraid to take that risk (though their fans were loving it) -- from the reports, it sounds as if it was sheer band ego that got in the way -- but if they are truly going for the nostalgia thing, and not wanting to move in a different direction, I guess that's a choice they can make. I'm sure we haven't seen the last Journey CD by far, though.

[texafana]

.... it's about the fact that they actually had promise to be something more than just the nastalgia, and for the first time in MANY years, I was actually excited about Journey again. I lost that excitement the day I found out they let JSS go....

Promise to be what exactly? Seriously...WHAT?

[StevePerryHair]

.... it's about the fact that they actually had promise to be something more than just the nastalgia, and for the first time in MANY years, I was actually excited about Journey again. I lost that excitement the day I found out they let JSS go....

Promise to be what exactly? Seriously...WHAT?

I think you know what I am saying and you are just baiting me. Promise to make great new material with a MOTIVATED front man, who loves to write music. Did you go to one Journey concert last year?? Did you see JSS lead Journey? He brought an energy to the stage that made an old rock band young again. I wanted more of that, and now they took it away. It's as simple as that. Stop quoting me and move on. I'm done posting with you.

[Behshad]

And they DO have lack of motivation. That is a FACT. If a band gets rid of their new MOTIVATED front man, to find a new front man who will sing the Nastalgia songs and bring them back to their original sound, that pretty much shows a LACK OF MOTIVATION.

What do what them motivated to do? Write new material with JSS or Arnel? pffft. I'm sure they will have new material at some point, but quite frankly..I could care less if they do or not! I've been a fan since their Santana heritage, they've won me over 30 years ago or more. I LOVE seeing the "greatest hits" performed and why shouldn't I? It's DAMN good music that sounds best performed live. Regardless if they do it for a paycheck or do it for the love of performing, it takes a major amount of motivation to tour at their age. I'd say a HUGE MAJOR amount of motivation.

Some of you need to stop acting like family members who never get a Christmas card, and go back to being a fan of the music, and the musician. Get out of their head and put on some tunes and lose yourself. jeesh...

Oh,, now that you put it that way, it makes sense. I am sorry I was wrong! NOT!

You posted this topic, hoping everyone would answer it the way you think. Well guess what, you found out that not all of us think that they still rock!
They stopped rocking on June 12th when they crawled and hid behind their management. The day they shut their website and forum of, cause they were too scared that their fans may have something to say about their selfish evil acts. They stopped rocking they day they blew out the torch (JSS) that kept their dying flame goin and put more sparks into Journey. They stopped rocking once they made it clear to the fans that theyre not interested in making new music for their fans, cause they still can milk some $$ of the old songs. And I know that they will still have crowds coming to their shows in 08 when they play the dirfty dozen, but you have to give people like myself a chance to explain to you that the reason we're not gonna go see them live is because we feel like they let us down. They cheated us, but promsing new material, new cd, new tour,,, and all we will get is gonna be a 'rerun' of the last show, with only difference being, lack of energy on stage.

If youre such a big fan of Journey, you should know that even the band was excited when Jeff was with them. They admitted themselves that the energy Jeff brough on stage , affected every single one of them. That they were excited to see the feedback from the fans, both at live shows and on the forums. The media was also blown away by the level of energy this band had during their last tour. They had created the best opportunity for Journey to do a great comeback and get back on the charts with NEW songs! All that is gone now.
If they were proud of what they did and their plans, their official website wouldnt have a "last date update" as June 12th! They would try to inform their fans about what is going on with this band.

So you wanna talk about credibility, look at Journey's credibility in the music industry right now. Go read what Brian May said about their acts. Everyone knows that Brian is one of the finest musicians, both when it comes to music AND personality. He has always been a close friend of Journey. When he says he is dissapointed, what does that tell you? And he isnt the only one.... many musicians are disgusted by the way Jeff was treated.

And you know what,,, life goes on,,,, and Journey will still manage to get people to their shows. But is it worth it to spend money on a dying band that still wants to take your money for the same old songs? I'd rather go to youtube !

On another note, youre the same mofo , who put JSS down because you thought he did too many different songs and styles. THATS TALENT. You put him down cause he did some cover songs (better than the originals ), THAT TALENT. Now what kinda credibility do YOU have here???


If you come here to post a topic and or a question, to get people's honest opinions, then its cool, but if youre intentions are solely to stir some shit up, then youre in the wrong place. Dont get me wrong,,,we're always up for a good conversation/debate/discussion,,,but we dont tolerate trolls like yourself, who manily post something just to start some shit. Its been way overdone before!


Last but not least! We all cast our opinions here. and we all disagree on different subjects left and right. I tell you about my opinions, but that doesnt mean I expect you to agree with me, but you could at least have the decency to respect me and my opinions. Is that too much too ask!?

[StevePerryHair]

And they DO have lack of motivation. That is a FACT. If a band gets rid of their new MOTIVATED front man, to find a new front man who will sing the Nastalgia songs and bring them back to their original sound, that pretty much shows a LACK OF MOTIVATION.

What do what them motivated to do? Write new material with JSS or Arnel? pffft. I'm sure they will have new material at some point, but quite frankly..I could care less if they do or not! I've been a fan since their Santana heritage, they've won me over 30 years ago or more. I LOVE seeing the "greatest hits" performed and why shouldn't I? It's DAMN good music that sounds best performed live. Regardless if they do it for a paycheck or do it for the love of performing, it takes a major amount of motivation to tour at their age. I'd say a HUGE MAJOR amount of motivation.

Some of you need to stop acting like family members who never get a Christmas card, and go back to being a fan of the music, and the musician. Get out of their head and put on some tunes and lose yourself. jeesh...

Oh,, now that you put it that way, it makes sense. I am sorry I was wrong! NOT!

You posted this topic, hoping everyone would answer it the way you think. Well guess what, you found out that not all of us think that they still rock!
They stopped rocking on June 12th when they crawled and hid behind their management. The day they shut their website and forum of, cause they were too scared that their fans may have something to say about their selfish evil acts. They stopped rocking they day they blew out the torch (JSS) that kept their dying flame goin and put more sparks into Journey. They stopped rocking once they made it clear to the fans that theyre not interested in making new music for their fans, cause they still can milk some $$ of the old songs. And I know that they will still have crowds coming to their shows in 08 when they play the dirfty dozen, but you have to give people like myself a chance to explain to you that the reason we're not gonna go see them live is because we feel like they let us down. They cheated us, but promsing new material, new cd, new tour,,, and all we will get is gonna be a 'rerun' of the last show, with only difference being, lack of energy on stage.

If youre such a big fan of Journey, you should know that even the band was excited when Jeff was with them. They admitted themselves that the energy Jeff brough on stage , affected every single one of them. That they were excited to see the feedback from the fans, both at live shows and on the forums. The media was also blown away by the level of energy this band had during their last tour. They had created the best opportunity for Journey to do a great comeback and get back on the charts with NEW songs! All that is gone now.
If they were proud of what they did and their plans, their official website wouldnt have a "last date update" as June 12th! They would try to inform their fans about what is going on with this band.

So you wanna talk about credibility, look at Journey's credibility in the music industry right now. Go read what Brian May said about their acts. Everyone knows that Brian is one of the finest musicians, both when it comes to music AND personality. He has always been a close friend of Journey. When he says he is dissapointed, what does that tell you? And he isnt the only one.... many musicians are disgusted by the way Jeff was treated.

And you know what,,, life goes on,,,, and Journey will still manage to get people to their shows. But is it worth it to spend money on a dying band that still wants to take your money for the same old songs? I'd rather go to youtube !

On another note, youre the same mofo , who put JSS down because you thought he did too many different songs and styles. THATS TALENT. You put him down cause he did some cover songs (better than the originals ), THAT TALENT. Now what kinda credibility do YOU have here???


If you come here to post a topic and or a question, to get people's honest opinions, then its cool, but if youre intentions are solely to stir some shit up, then youre in the wrong place. Dont get me wrong,,,we're always up for a good conversation/debate/discussion,,,but we dont tolerate trolls like yourself, who manily post something just to start some shit. Its been way overdone before!


Last but not least! We all cast our opinions here. and we all disagree on different subjects left and right. I tell you about my opinions, but that doesnt mean I expect you to agree with me, but you could at leats have the decency to respect me and my opinions. Is that too much too ask!?

Great post What I was trying to say, but you did a MUCH better job.

[Deb]

.... it's about the fact that they actually had promise to be something more than just the nastalgia, and for the first time in MANY years, I was actually excited about Journey again. I lost that excitement the day I found out they let JSS go....

Promise to be what exactly? Seriously...WHAT?

I think you know what I am saying and you are just baiting me. Promise to make great new material with a MOTIVATED front man, who loves to write music. Did you go to one Journey concert last year?? Did you see JSS lead Journey? He brought an energy to the stage that made an old rock band young again. I wanted more of that, and now they took it away. It's as simple as that. Stop quoting me and move on. I'm done posting with you.

Simple as that for me too Lynn, exactly how I feel. After Perry left Journey, Journey was kind of take it or leave it for me (kind of irrelevant).......in comes JSS, a fun, charismatic (and yes, motivated!) frontman with great pipes. Start getting excited about Journey again after many, many years. Yay! 2nd biggest mistake Journey makes IMO takes place.......back to irrelevant for me. Sorry, don't want a carboncopy of SP. I am thankful to Journey for introducing me to the talent of JSS though. But hey, I hope those that still are psyched about Journey enjoy the shows...........I'll be down the street at the completely kick ass JSS show!

[heardonthestreet]

Individually, they may still have a lot to offer, just as Smitty, Gregg and Kevin are still performing at their game, but as a band, I have not been impressed since their efforts with TBF.

Augeri was better,his first year or so with the band, than the sound of the band as a whole. I think that Ross has a bigger following and has more respect outside of Journey than with Journey. He's probably had a lot more satisfaction with his music outside of Journey. JMHO!

Maybe Herbie is not too old to show them what has to be done.

[Saint John]

I'll chime in here with a few opinions and observations. Jeff did bring a lot of energy to the shows. He also received some good reviews. I think he would have brought more new fans to Journey than Augeri did. HOWEVER, I also think this. With him on board as the frontman, there was a radical deviation from the pre-ROR Perry sound. I heard quite a few comments at shows that Jeff was good and put on a great "show" but that it didn't really sound as good as "the other guy" (Augeri). Also, to a man, EVERY single one of my friends (about 10) had the same two conclusions. 1) They saw/heard Jeff and Augeri and all thought Augeri sounded more like the original version. 2) When 2 of my friends heard Jeremey sing live and the others heard what I had recorded or viewed on youtube clips, they too concluded that Jeremey was much closer to the original sound. The two friends I brought to Virginia both concluded that Jeremey was "way better." My friends are VERY much caual Journey fans, just like 90% of Journey's audience when they tour. Ultimately, I think Journey decided that the influx of potential new fans would be less or much less than influx of potential departing fans and that was a chance they simply couldn't take, so the let Jeff go. HOW they did it is another story.

[StevePerryHair]

I'll chime in here with a few opinions and observations. Jeff did bring a lot of energy to the shows. He also received some good reviews. I think he would have brought more new fans to Journey than Augeri did. HOWEVER, I also think this. With him on board as the frontman, there was a radical deviation from the pre-ROR Perry sound. I heard quite a few comments at shows that Jeff was good and put on a great "show" but that it didn't really sound as good as "the other guy" (Augeri). Also, to a man, EVERY single one of my friends (about 10) had the same two conclusions. 1) They saw/heard Jeff and Augeri and all thought Augeri sounded more like the original version. 2) When 2 of my friends heard Jeremey sing live and the others heard what I had recorded or viewed on youtube clips, they too concluded that Jeremey was much closer to the original sound. The two friends I brought to Virginia both concluded that Jeremey was "way better." My friends are VERY much caual Journey fans, just like 90% of Journey's audience when they tour. Ultimately, I think Journey decided that the influx of potential new fans would be less or much less than influx of potential departing fans and that was a chance they simply couldn't take, so the let Jeff go. HOW they did it is another story.

Yeah, I know what your saying Dan. And many fans feel that way I'm sure. They want to hear Perry, or someone who sounds exactly like him. Some bands don't do that though. Paul Rodgers and Queen may be an example here. And they still have a fan following. When Journey played House of Blues Orlando, alone, the crowd could not have been more energized by what they were seeing on stage. It was also I believe Jeff's BEST performance ever with Journey by far. His sound was perfection. He was working with a vocal coach to do what you are saying. And that Orlando concert proved he could do it. I feel bad for all those that could not see his Florida performances. You really missed out. And maybe that's another reason I feel so strongly the way I do about it. I was amazed that night.

But we are also just saying here that some of us don't want to hear a Perry clone, and that is our opinion. Of course majority rules here, and they made their decision. But I have made mine too as far as how I will follow as a fan now too. Cd's it is!!

[bluejeangirl76]

But we are also just saying here that some of us don't want to hear a Perry clone, and that is our opinion. Of course majority rules here, and they made their decision. But I have made mine too as far as how I will follow as a fan now too. Cd's it is!!

Yup. The whole re-living the Perry years on stage is OLD. Enough already. Honestly I might have somewhat less of a problem with it (as in, ability to ignore it easier) if it weren't for the glaring hypocrisy. Fro throwing public shots at Perry over the whole reissues/dvd thing is just horrible. In fact, Fro is clinging more to the past and more dependant/determined on banking off of it than Perry ever was. I don't respect that. Not in the least. If you're going to cling to 1983 to the point of hiring an impersonator than whatever, but shut up about what everyone else is doing. They should just hang it up and book themselves into Vegas as one of those impersonator shows.

[Behshad]

But we are also just saying here that some of us don't want to hear a Perry clone, and that is our opinion. Of course majority rules here, and they made their decision. But I have made mine too as far as how I will follow as a fan now too. Cd's it is!!

Yup. The whole re-living the Perry years on stage is OLD. Enough already. Honestly I might have somewhat less of a problem with it (as in, ability to ignore it easier) if it weren't for the glaring hypocrisy. Fro throwing public shots at Perry over the whole reissues/dvd thing is just horrible. In fact, Fro is clinging more to the past and more dependant/determined on banking off of it than Perry ever was. I don't respect that. Not in the least. If you're going to cling to 1983 to the point of hiring an impersonator than whatever, but shut up about what everyone else is doing. They should just hang it up and book themselves into Vegas as one of those impersonator shows.

[Jeremey]

Yup. The whole re-living the Perry years on stage is OLD. Enough already. Honestly I might have somewhat less of a problem with it (as in, ability to ignore it easier) if it weren't for the glaring hypocrisy. Fro throwing public shots at Perry over the whole reissues/dvd thing is just horrible. In fact, Fro is clinging more to the past and more dependant/determined on banking off of it than Perry ever was. I don't respect that. Not in the least. If you're going to cling to 1983 to the point of hiring an impersonator than whatever, but shut up about what everyone else is doing. They should just hang it up and book themselves into Vegas as one of those impersonator shows.

I just have to disagree that finding someone who sings the songs in a way that is familiar to the majority of people is wrong. Just because someone can bring the Perry sound doesn't necessarily qualify them as an impersonator. They are looking at the best way, from a business standpoint, to maximize their appeal, and as I've said before, the majority of people want to hear the old songs...They're not very nice in the way they go about doing it (vis a vis Augeri being rode to the glue factory and JSS being tossed on his rump), but they know what people want to hear as well.

I don't really want to hear any new music from Journey. I rarely get engaged by any new music these days, and I'd be more excited by another Neal Schon solo release or a Perry release than another CD like "Generations." I'm the kind of fan that likes my memories of Journey through the time they were still a unit as a band...I was on board for Jeff after the concert I saw in SC in 2006 because I truly felt like the band was going to step away from what they had done in the past and try to make something different. Unfortunately if the band doesn't have the creative energy to take a left turn, though, they need to go back to doing what they do best. And releasing CDs with songs like "Gone Crazy" or "Butterfly" really isn't going to get my attention again.

[StevePerryHair]

Yup. The whole re-living the Perry years on stage is OLD. Enough already. Honestly I might have somewhat less of a problem with it (as in, ability to ignore it easier) if it weren't for the glaring hypocrisy. Fro throwing public shots at Perry over the whole reissues/dvd thing is just horrible. In fact, Fro is clinging more to the past and more dependant/determined on banking off of it than Perry ever was. I don't respect that. Not in the least. If you're going to cling to 1983 to the point of hiring an impersonator than whatever, but shut up about what everyone else is doing. They should just hang it up and book themselves into Vegas as one of those impersonator shows.

I just have to disagree that finding someone who sings the songs in a way that is familiar to the majority of people is wrong. Just because someone can bring the Perry sound doesn't necessarily qualify them as an impersonator. They are looking at the best way, from a business standpoint, to maximize their appeal, and as I've said before, the majority of people want to hear the old songs...They're not very nice in the way they go about doing it (vis a vis Augeri being rode to the glue factory and JSS being tossed on his rump), but they know what people want to hear as well.

I don't really want to hear any new music from Journey. I rarely get engaged by any new music these days, and I'd be more excited by another Neal Schon solo release or a Perry release than another CD like "Generations." I'm the kind of fan that likes my memories of Journey through the time they were still a unit as a band...I was on board for Jeff after the concert I saw in SC in 2006 because I truly felt like the band was going to step away from what they had done in the past and try to make something different. Unfortunately if the band doesn't have the creative energy to take a left turn, though, they need to go back to doing what they do best. And releasing CDs with songs like "Gone Crazy" or "Butterfly" really isn't going to get my attention again.

I don't think JSS would have written a song like Butterfly!! But, we will never know what JSS and his influence on Journey and their new music would have been like. Because plain and simple, they ended it before it started and that's what has turned me off here. And JSS did maximize his appeal, and he did have everyone of the 7 audiences I saw him with excited and energized. Especially by the end of the tour. I don't know where all this "oh the majority of fans want a Perry sound" comes from. The audiences I saw did not reflect this attitude. I think what most people really want is Perry himself when they make statements like that. That's really what I want too, which is why I say I have my cd's.

[bluejeangirl76]

...I was on board for Jeff after the concert I saw in SC in 2006 because I truly felt like the band was going to step away from what they had done in the past and try to make something different.

That's where my dissappointment stems from - it's not as much what they are doing or trying to do but what they gave up and especially the way they went about it, dumping a decent guy without as much as a word to him, and most of all the hypocratic statements from them about wanting to do something new while all Steve is doing is repackaging old stuff.

It's not about the singer they hire, it's the motivation behind it.
The candidates they have/had have all been good and can bring the sound.
That was never a question with me.

[Jeremey]

I don't think JSS would have written a song like Butterfly!! But, we will never know what JSS and his influence on Journey and their new music would have been like. Because plain and simple, they ended it before it started and that's what has turned me off here. And JSS did maximize his appeal, and he did have everyone of the 7 audiences I saw him with excited and energized. Especially by the end of the tour. I don't know where all this "oh the majority of fans want a Perry sound" comes from. The audiences I saw did not reflect this attitude. I think what most people really want is Perry himself when they make statements like that. That's really what I want too, which is why I say I have my cd's.

I really have to keep silent about some things, but I think everyone will see in the not-to-distant future why it was Journey wanted a return to that "legacy sound."