Jail Time

[AR]

Revenue source for the courts and the lawyers.

I don't drive while drinking, but I will guarantee after 2 drinks, I am a much better driver than dumbasses on cell phones or jerkoff's speeding around that just got their licenses. Not to mention the always dangerous assholes weaving in and out of traffic on those pocket rocket motorcycles in their head to toe skin tight gear.

He had 2 fucking beers. Everyone that piled on are the usual fucking dicks here. A couple of posters acted like Liam was smashed and took out a family of four. Hypocrites.

Happy Thanksgiving.

[mistiejourney]

Cops save lives, get over yourself. You'll have your chance in court.

Why the fuck do you always have to chime in with shit like this? I've held off on calling you out, but for Gods sake, the dude has had enough shit for one day. One more jab from you isn't what he needs right now.

Wait...you feel sorry for someone who drinks and then gets into a weapon (a car) and could possibly kill himself or someone else? How would you feel if that same person hit a friend of yours or your kid? Yah...poor him. Sorry, THAT's the mentality I got from him, we should feel sorry for him? puhlease... Drink all you want people, but why put yourself or someone else at risk by driving?

No sympathy at all, but there is nothing wrong with being concerned for someone. unfortunate because Liam did not intend to drive intoxicated AND this sounds wierd because (1) unless he slammed those beers down before getting into the car, his body would have already started metabolizing the alcohol, dropping the BAC. Liam doesn't look like a 90 pound weakling AND the BAC getting higher five hours later and even longer after the the beers is extremely odd.

It is possible the machinery was faulty. If not, Liam knows now that his body can't handle two beers without going over the limit. It's not like he tied one on and staggered into the car. My husband has had two beers over a few hours and driven just fine. Hell, I've had a margarita over a couple of hours and gotten behind the wheel.

This could have happened to any one of us, and yes, driving intoxicated is always bad but geeze, how many times have you had wine with dinner at a restaurant and driven home? Two glasses doesn't make you drunk? Well, that is what Liam thought and he was trying to be responsible.

Liam, I'm sorry you had to experience this. It had to suck, big time.

[mistiejourney]

Cops are pigs...they are the instruments of the worlds most dastardly revenue gathering tool aside from the IRS.....the US traffic court system.

I think this may be the most IGNORANT statement I have every read here on MR.

No shit!

My father was not a pig, I can assure you.

[Rick]

Cops are pigs...they are the instruments of the worlds most dastardly revenue gathering tool aside from the IRS.....the US traffic court system.

I think this may be the most IGNORANT statement I have every read here on MR.

No shit!

My father was not a pig, I can assure you.

My brother is a cop, and I can call him a pig, 'cause we're cool like dat.

[(Crazy)Dulce Lady]

Cops are pigs...they are the instruments of the worlds most dastardly revenue gathering tool aside from the IRS.....the US traffic court system.

I think this may be the most IGNORANT statement I have every read here on MR.

I wish I knew a traffic cop so we could send him to kick his buns.

and then write him a traffic citation!!!!

[G.I.Jim]

Cops are pigs...they are the instruments of the worlds most dastardly revenue gathering tool aside from the IRS.....the US traffic court system.

I think this may be the most IGNORANT statement I have every read here on MR.

No shit!

My father was not a pig, I can assure you.

My brother is a cop, and I can call him a pig, 'cause we're cool like dat.

I smell pork products!

This is really all you have to do to get out of a ticket:

When the cop approaches your car, just tell him the last cop that pulled you over, he got his ASS beat! He'll return to his car and never look back! Works every time for me!!!

[StevePerryHair]

Cops are pigs...they are the instruments of the worlds most dastardly revenue gathering tool aside from the IRS.....the US traffic court system.

I think this may be the most IGNORANT statement I have every read here on MR.

I wish I knew a traffic cop so we could send him to kick his buns.

and then write him a traffic citation!!!!

[Saint John]

Revenue source for the courts and the lawyers.

I don't drive while drinking, but I will guarantee after 2 drinks, I am a much better driver than dumbasses on cell phones or jerkoff's speeding around that just got their licenses. Not to mention the always dangerous assholes weaving in and out of traffic on those pocket rocket motorcycles in their head to toe skin tight gear.

He had 2 fucking beers. Everyone that piled on are the usual fucking dicks here. A couple of posters acted like Liam was smashed and took out a family of four. Hypocrites.

Happy Thanksgiving.

Excellent post, Ed. I had about 12 beers at the local saloon last night and drove home just fine...just like I do 3-5 times per month (it used to be 3-5 times per week). The only mistake I ever made was running into an overzealous asshole that said my front bumper was over the white line on a desolate stretch of road...and it wasn't. Anyway, I can't speak for anyone else, but the only 2 accidents I was ever in were sober. I'm literally about 300 for 300 while driving legally drunk (shouldn't it be "illegally? ). Never an accident or incident. My DUI ran me about $2,300 and taught me only that I need to refine my tactics and stay out of the fuckin'g burbs that use it as a revenue source. Parts of Indiana are considering a $200 bonus per DUI to the arresting officer. That makes me sick. I'm getting tanked again tonight.

[Saint John]

Sorry to hear that, Liam. It's a good case, though, not to drink at all if you're going to be driving. ANYBODY could test at .08 if they just had a beer or two within the last hour.

Completely false. If a 160 pound male drinks a 5% beer (This percentage reflects most Canadian beers and Budweiser. Light beers are much less.) and has THREE in one hour his BAC is .05. Here's a cool site.


http://www.ou.edu/oupd/bac.htm

[Shadowsong]

Yo don't have to be slobbering drunk to be impaired.

,08 is CA limit too

While Liam may have been able to keep the car in the lanes
& if he gave himself enough room
& he had luck on his side that he didn't run into another

Under the Influence...Not Drunk

Then no harm done.

Thing is not everyone drives or handles alcohol the same.

A fraction of a second at highway sppeds can be fatal

It might just be that innocent glass of wine.
& I wouldn;t want to any of us to get into an accident because someone drove under the influence.

Same thing with medications & than cause drowsiness or impairment.
Same goes for drivers not taken breaks on long trips

It's just our responsibility to take driving seriously

[AR]

Yo don't have to be slobbering drunk to be impaired.

,08 is CA limit too

While Liam may have been able to keep the car in the lanes
& if he gave himself enough room
& he had luck on his side that he didn't run into another

Under the Influence...Not Drunk

Then no harm done.

Thing is not everyone drives or handles alcohol the same.

A fraction of a second at highway sppeds can be fatal

It might just be that innocent glass of wine.
& I wouldn;t want to any of us to get into an accident because someone drove under the influence.

Same thing with medications & than cause drowsiness or impairment.
Same goes for drivers not taken breaks on long trips

It's just our responsibility to take driving seriously

Shadow, I get that, but 2 beers is b.s. Your driving is impaired when you sneeze (think about that), change a radio station, talk to someone, eat, and the worst - TEXT or TALK ON A CELL PHONE.

[Shadowsong]

Yo don't have to be slobbering drunk to be impaired.

,08 is CA limit too

While Liam may have been able to keep the car in the lanes
& if he gave himself enough room
& he had luck on his side that he didn't run into another

Under the Influence...Not Drunk

Then no harm done.

Thing is not everyone drives or handles alcohol the same.

A fraction of a second at highway sppeds can be fatal

It might just be that innocent glass of wine.
& I wouldn;t want to any of us to get into an accident because someone drove under the influence.

Same thing with medications & than cause drowsiness or impairment.
Same goes for drivers not taken breaks on long trips

It's just our responsibility to take driving seriously

Shadow, I get that, but 2 beers is b.s. Your driving is impaired when you sneeze (think about that), change a radio station, talk to someone, eat, and the worst - TEXT or TALK ON A CELL PHONE.

I agree...All true

Just last week a neighbors parked car was totaled as someone driving along
"Got distracted & swerved into it"
He wrote he was sorry...
Poor car was just parked minding its own business
& now it wears its bumper inthe back seat...

Cell phones should be banned
even w the ear piece
You're supposed to be dring
not getting your grocery list or discussing meeting strategies.

[perrylover52]

Yo don't have to be slobbering drunk to be impaired.

,08 is CA limit too

While Liam may have been able to keep the car in the lanes
& if he gave himself enough room
& he had luck on his side that he didn't run into another

Under the Influence...Not Drunk

Then no harm done.

Thing is not everyone drives or handles alcohol the same.

A fraction of a second at highway sppeds can be fatal

It might just be that innocent glass of wine.
& I wouldn;t want to any of us to get into an accident because someone drove under the influence.

Same thing with medications & than cause drowsiness or impairment.
Same goes for drivers not taken breaks on long trips

It's just our responsibility to take driving seriously

Shadow, I get that, but 2 beers is b.s. Your driving is impaired when you sneeze (think about that), change a radio station, talk to someone, eat, and the worst - TEXT or TALK ON A CELL PHONE.

I agree...All true

Just last week a neighbors parked car was totaled as someone driving along
"Got distracted & swerved into it"
He wrote he was sorry...
Poor car was just parked minding its own business
& now it wears its bumper inthe back seat...

Cell phones should be banned
even w the ear piece
You're supposed to be dring
not getting your grocery list or discussing meeting strategies.

You can also be impaired while taking medication.

[Liam]

I'm not fucking proud of this shit. I'm PISSED beyond belief about it. Anyone who was in South Bend knows that I can take down more than 2 beers and not have any indicators that I'm drunk.

Go mow a fuckin' lawn.

[koberry]

I didn't realize one beer would do that. Good thing I don't drink beer...!

Yup, it's the beer... that's why I switched to single malt

[larryfromnextdoor]

I didn't realize one beer would do that. Good thing I don't drink beer...!

Yup, it's the beer... that's why I switched to single malt

scotch? you traded beer for scotch.. who are you james bond? old people smell like scotch..

[strangegrey]

Cops are pigs...they are the instruments of the worlds most dastardly revenue gathering tool aside from the IRS.....the US traffic court system.

I think this may be the most IGNORANT statement I have every read here on MR.

I wish I knew a traffic cop so we could send him to kick his buns.

and then write him a traffic citation!!!!

Go fuck yourself you self righteous piece of shit....Please refrain from posting in response to anything I say and I'll do you the courtesy of letting you brew in your own self-loathing...but continue to involve yourself with anything to do with me and I will make your internet life a living hell....

you've been warned.

[mistiejourney]

Yo don't have to be slobbering drunk to be impaired.

,08 is CA limit too

While Liam may have been able to keep the car in the lanes
& if he gave himself enough room
& he had luck on his side that he didn't run into another

Under the Influence...Not Drunk

Then no harm done.

Thing is not everyone drives or handles alcohol the same.

A fraction of a second at highway sppeds can be fatal

It might just be that innocent glass of wine.
& I wouldn;t want to any of us to get into an accident because someone drove under the influence.

Same thing with medications & than cause drowsiness or impairment.
Same goes for drivers not taken breaks on long trips

It's just our responsibility to take driving seriously

Shadow, I get that, but 2 beers is b.s. Your driving is impaired when you sneeze (think about that), change a radio station, talk to someone, eat, and the worst - TEXT or TALK ON A CELL PHONE.

I agree...All true

Just last week a neighbors parked car was totaled as someone driving along
"Got distracted & swerved into it"
He wrote he was sorry...
Poor car was just parked minding its own business
& now it wears its bumper inthe back seat...

Cell phones should be banned
even w the ear piece
You're supposed to be dring
not getting your grocery list or discussing meeting strategies.

You can also be impaired while taking medication.

[Raising hand] Or trying to drive home drowsy after a night shift!

[strangegrey]

Cops are pigs...they are the instruments of the worlds most dastardly revenue gathering tool aside from the IRS.....the US traffic court system.

I think this may be the most IGNORANT statement I have every read here on MR.

Absolutely not...and until you've been on the business end of a trumped up traffic court trial...you really have zero business commenting. The fact of the matter is that the VTL in all 50 states has been radically abused by the legal system. It starts with traffic police, continues with rubber stamp decissions by judges and ends with a stunned and helpless citizen on the other end writing a check to both the lawyer that didn't do enough and a court that happily takes the 'fine' and uses it to 'fund' the payroll accounts of the courts.

Howe many times have you gotten a speeding ticket for driving 10 mph over the limit....on a road that could easily handle a rate of travel 20 mph over the stated limit? If you've gotten a speeding ticket at all, you've been in this situation. There have been significant studies conducted that show the speed limits are purposely kept lower to snare more drivers. 99% of drivers will drive a road at a safe speed, irrespective of the stated limit. Usually that safe speed is *above* the stated limit. The remaining 1% would drive the road unsafely IRRESPECTIVE of the speed limit. You don't need to be a genius to deduce that speed limits are designed to generate revenue.

Let's take traffic lights. If I told you how many towns actually reduce the time a traffic light remains yellow...and then subsequently parks a cop at the intersection....your head would spin. There's a specific time that a light has to remain yellow, to give someone entering the intersection at the time the yellow light comes on, enough time to safely exit the intersection. That time is dictated by the stated limit...although we've already discussed how much bullshit is injected into 'stated limits'....but the fact of the matter is that it is a COMMON tool among municipalities to reduce the switchover time from yellow to red, in order to snare more drivers. You will see this technique employed HEAVILY in towns where traffic intersection cameras are used.

Let's move on to drinking limits. The fact of the matter is that .08 BAC is not 'impaired'. Even so, my statement stretches from the fact that it seems QUITE CLEAR that the equipment used to snare liam and throw him in jail is in ERROR!!! This is where judgment comes into play...something police officers MUST employ, but often dont....

...and the reason is, is that they are the first step in a very corrupt process of revenue gathering....it's bad enough we're taxed through our noses...but when I see people snared by an abused traffic law system....it pisses me off.

It further pisses me off that there have been a handful of self righteous douchebags in this very thread that feel it's their duty to judge Liam without *any* careful thought....only because Policemen are always honest...right?

[Little Lenny]

actually this is really interesting to see how different places, people & countries views differ on drink driving. Here is a link to the british transport departments fact sheet on this http://www.thinkroadsafety.gov.uk/campa ... rive01.htm
the bit that interested me, with regards to your predicament Liam is the section about 'The Body'...they mention the word failsafe for the fact that weight height etc can create a multitude of different effects upon the body...in other words the book says this should happen, but then again it might not...so as numerous others here have said, could it also be the same for the breathaliser? if you see what I mean...i maybe haven't explained myself very well there but i know what I mean

[Panther]

Cops are pigs...they are the instruments of the worlds most dastardly revenue gathering tool aside from the IRS.....the US traffic court system.

I think this may be the most IGNORANT statement I have every read here on MR.

Let's move on to drinking limits. The fact of the matter is that .08 BAC is not 'impaired'. Even so, my statement stretches from the fact that it seems QUITE CLEAR that the equipment used to snare liam and throw him in jail is in ERROR!!! This is where judgment comes into play...something police officers MUST employ, but often dont....

...and the reason is, is that they are the first step in a very corrupt process of revenue gathering....it's bad enough we're taxed through our noses...but when I see people snared by an abused traffic law system....it pisses me off.

It further pisses me off that there have been a handful of self righteous douchebags in this very thread that feel it's their duty to judge Liam without *any* careful thought....only because Policemen are always honest...right?

I won't debate Liam's actual case, it isn't for me to judge. But, the fact of the matter, SG, is that for the average of John Q. Public, .08 IS a level at which their logical thinking, balance and response time is impaired enough to consider them a danger to the general public when behind the wheel of a vehicle. Again, this statement pertains to the average John Q. Public. Can you suggest another method by which to decide each individual case as to whether a driver of any vehicle is impaired? Should we raise the level for everyone based on the minority who can actually ingest quantities far and above the average person without relative reduction in judgement, etc...? I don't know the answers, but I know there has to be some method by which to measure the entire population.

[Liam]

Well...the BAC limit here used to be .15 which actually...I think was fair. But a .08.....THAT'S ONE FUCKING BEER unless you're a 250 lb. dude who had just eaten a shitload of hotwings.
Speaking of eating...that's another reason I think it was more of a "smear campaign". I ate Taco Bell right before I went to the bar...so I was more in the "nursing beer" mode 'cause I was way too full to eat. Now that kinda kills the hitting the bloodstream slowly argument because it would be processed through the stomach first which, thanks to all the grease and flour tortillias, would've soaked all that up. Even beside that, I didn't drink 2 beers within an hour. It was more like one an hour 'cause I started out with Sprite.
And, I must say, the CS cop was just doing his job and he was rather nice to me and more trying to find a way to get me through the loophole. He wasn't a over zealous rookie or anything so I DO believe that he meant it. He called me tonight to say happy Thanksgiving and to let me know that I was getting my licence back tomorrow. It was the County jail that really fucked me over.

[Little Lenny]

He called me tonight to say happy Thanksgiving and to let me know that I was getting my licence back tomorrow.

Blooming 'eck! i dont think many of our bobbys would do that!!

[Liam]

He called me tonight to say happy Thanksgiving and to let me know that I was getting my licence back tomorrow.

Blooming 'eck! i dont think many of our bobbys would do that!!

Well...he actually hung onto it by accident. He wasn't supposed to confiscate it if I gave a breath or blood sample until the court date (if needs be).
But...it was cool of him to be pleasant about things.

[Little Lenny]

He called me tonight to say happy Thanksgiving and to let me know that I was getting my licence back tomorrow.

Blooming 'eck! i dont think many of our bobbys would do that!!

Well...he actually hung onto it by accident. He wasn't supposed to confiscate it if I gave a breath or blood sample until the court date (if needs be).
But...it was cool of him to be pleasant about things.

our police can be really strict, they even stopped shaggy one night because his car was in the wrong sided of the city I live in the west and he used to live in the east...when he pointed out to the police that we were on our way home from a neighbouring town, and that he had just moved in with me, and not managed to register his new address for his license yet, they said it didn't help that he was wearing a woolly hat that made him look suspicious!!! can you believe that!

[StevePerryHair]

Cops are pigs...they are the instruments of the worlds most dastardly revenue gathering tool aside from the IRS.....the US traffic court system.

I think this may be the most IGNORANT statement I have every read here on MR.

Absolutely not...and until you've been on the business end of a trumped up traffic court trial...you really have zero business commenting. The fact of the matter is that the VTL in all 50 states has been radically abused by the legal system. It starts with traffic police, continues with rubber stamp decissions by judges and ends with a stunned and helpless citizen on the other end writing a check to both the lawyer that didn't do enough and a court that happily takes the 'fine' and uses it to 'fund' the payroll accounts of the courts.

Howe many times have you gotten a speeding ticket for driving 10 mph over the limit....on a road that could easily handle a rate of travel 20 mph over the stated limit? If you've gotten a speeding ticket at all, you've been in this situation. There have been significant studies conducted that show the speed limits are purposely kept lower to snare more drivers. 99% of drivers will drive a road at a safe speed, irrespective of the stated limit. Usually that safe speed is *above* the stated limit. The remaining 1% would drive the road unsafely IRRESPECTIVE of the speed limit. You don't need to be a genius to deduce that speed limits are designed to generate revenue.

Let's take traffic lights. If I told you how many towns actually reduce the time a traffic light remains yellow...and then subsequently parks a cop at the intersection....your head would spin. There's a specific time that a light has to remain yellow, to give someone entering the intersection at the time the yellow light comes on, enough time to safely exit the intersection. That time is dictated by the stated limit...although we've already discussed how much bullshit is injected into 'stated limits'....but the fact of the matter is that it is a COMMON tool among municipalities to reduce the switchover time from yellow to red, in order to snare more drivers. You will see this technique employed HEAVILY in towns where traffic intersection cameras are used.

Let's move on to drinking limits. The fact of the matter is that .08 BAC is not 'impaired'. Even so, my statement stretches from the fact that it seems QUITE CLEAR that the equipment used to snare liam and throw him in jail is in ERROR!!! This is where judgment comes into play...something police officers MUST employ, but often dont....

...and the reason is, is that they are the first step in a very corrupt process of revenue gathering....it's bad enough we're taxed through our noses...but when I see people snared by an abused traffic law system....it pisses me off.

It further pisses me off that there have been a handful of self righteous douchebags in this very thread that feel it's their duty to judge Liam without *any* careful thought....only because Policemen are always honest...right?

My husband is the sergeant of a traffic unit. So YES I think I know a little about the business. I can tell you that he is not in the business of drumming up money for our town. No way. When he pulls cars over for DUI or for speeding, he is doing it with the intention of getting people to correct their behavior. There is absolutely nothing in it for him. I know many of these traffic cops and do you honestly believe the whole time they are pulling over a car they are thinking "money money money". Bullshit! They are thinking, do I need to pull out my gun, does this situation look safe. I actually did a ride along once and it is a very eye opening experience. Maybe you should try it sometime so you can have some idea of the "business" from the cop end of things. If anything, accuse them of looking for more with their traffic stops. When they pull a car over, the actually are hoping to find something bigger. He's been a cop for 14 years now,and the number of warnings he gives far out weighs his number of tickets. Hmm, why is that if it's about revenue? Blame the states/cities/ governments for how they set the price of a ticket, don't blame the cop for doing his job.

In the state of Florida, it is a .08 limit. Do you know that you can be below a .08, and still be deemed impaired if you can't pass the road side sobriety test and still go to jail. It's not about the limit. It's about the level of impairment. Some are impaired at .04. Impairment is different for everyone. There are a lot of factors.

No one likes a cop until they need one. Calling them pigs was out of line.

And don't take your anger out on me for the people attacking Liam. He happens to be a friend and I feel very bad he is in this situation. What i had a problem with you YOUR comment on police.

[StevePerryHair]

Cops are pigs...they are the instruments of the worlds most dastardly revenue gathering tool aside from the IRS.....the US traffic court system.

I think this may be the most IGNORANT statement I have every read here on MR.

I wish I knew a traffic cop so we could send him to kick his buns.

and then write him a traffic citation!!!!

Go fuck yourself you self righteous piece of shit....Please refrain from posting in response to anything I say and I'll do you the courtesy of letting you brew in your own self-loathing...but continue to involve yourself with anything to do with me and I will make your internet life a living hell....

you've been warned.

SHE (self righteous piece of shit???? yeah right!!!) was referring to MY husband who she met last week, and she was making a joke so lighten up and think before you type more IGNORANT posts here.

[ieie]

Be careful Liam - I'm sorry you had to spend the night in jail.
Just don't do it again - I am sure you were ok, but I've lost
dear dear friends to DUI - and it scares the shit out of me.

Frank, I see you have had bad experiences but you have to know
that is like that in any professional. Whether it is police, the bank,
retail, etc. - there are always bad apples.
But you have to Thank God that we do have those people
out there everyday protecting us when we need it, willing to risk their
lives for us - people they don't know, yet would most likely would
take a bullet for us. My best friends husband is a police officer (in training)
and he does it because he wants to protect people.

[Little Lenny]

No one likes a cop until they need one. Calling them pigs was out of line.

.

Although our police can be strict I like them, it's nice to know there's someone there looking after us all. And if im going to call a police officer anything other than i much rather prefer bobby, peeler, copper, constable, flatfoot, PC, Pc Plod ..
they're a lot more pleasant

[Behshad]

Cops are pigs...they are the instruments of the worlds most dastardly revenue gathering tool aside from the IRS.....the US traffic court system.

I think this may be the most IGNORANT statement I have every read here on MR.

I wish I knew a traffic cop so we could send him to kick his buns.

and then write him a traffic citation!!!!

Go fuck yourself you self righteous piece of shit....Please refrain from posting in response to anything I say and I'll do you the courtesy of letting you brew in your own self-loathing...but continue to involve yourself with anything to do with me and I will make your internet life a living hell....

you've been warned.

That was fucking uncalled for, man.
Have you even met Debbie in real life??? Everyone here knows that Debbie is nothing but wonderful, even Sir Wombat himself. Stop with the threats too ,dude. I usually agree with your , but in this case I really think you should apoogize to Debbie ( and to StevePerryHair too for insulting her husband). Not all cops are pigs! There are pigs in any kind of profession!