Will the casual Journey fan accept Arnel?

[ArnelRox]

SURE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ok let me make sure this is clear. We're betting on the fact that u say Arnel wont be introducing the songs, Cain will. I'm betting Arnel will be introducing them. Right?

How much are we betting?

[AR]

SURE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ok let me make sure this is clear. We're betting on the fact that u say Arnel wont be introducing the songs, Cain will. I'm betting Arnel will be introducing them. Right?

How much are we betting?

We're betting on the success of this band with Arnel fronting. I say they see a downturn, and that it doesn't work or last and that there will be backlash. Let's go $100 bucks.

We can come up with the exact paramters later.

[ArnelRox]

SURE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ok let me make sure this is clear. We're betting on the fact that u say Arnel wont be introducing the songs, Cain will. I'm betting Arnel will be introducing them. Right?

How much are we betting?

We're betting on the success of this band with Arnel fronting. I say they see a downturn, and that it doesn't work or last and that there will be backlash. Let's go $100 bucks.

We can come up with the exact paramters later.

Ok wait, how do we measure success of an 80s band? I mean seriously, much as I love Arnel's voice, I know there's not much of a market for this music anymore & the likelihood of Journey having a song on the charts is very very slim. I'm not betting on that. I wouldn't have bet on that happening w/Jeff. If they had Perry back, they might have a shot at some AC hit, but I wouldn't even bet on that.

So what are we talking about? Concert attendance? I don't think that will slack off. Sure they'll lose some of the people who post regularly here but that's not a lot of people. I'll bet on that.

As for this line up lasting, I don't know & won't bet on how long it will last. That has nothing to do w/Arnel. I saw what happened w/Jeff & after that, I'd never bet on any line up lasting again.

[Voyager]

I sent a bulk mailing out to about 100 or so in my address book. They all know I'm a Journey nut, yet all of them are passing fancy sorts when it comes to the music from those days. Most of them said that Arnel could sing. I think we all agree on that aspect. Almost every single one of them made the following statement regarding him filling the singer slot for Journey.... "Are they serious? lololololol" Not one of them stated that they would attend a concert (frankly, with anyone singing). That right there is the thinking behind a true casual fan. While showing interest in the abilities of a singer, they aren't interested enough in the band itself to attend a concert.

That is pretty much the reaction I received from my close friends who like Journey but are not as passionate as I am. The casual fans think that Journey is a joke, simply because they are on their third attempt to replace Steve Perry. It really has nothing to do with Arnel.

[Blitz]

Lets go back to the fact that they are working off there "legacy" O.K. That itself tells me they want to tour,make some more $$$$$,play old shit till they can't anymore, and be done.

I myself ("yes with a lousy 2 posts") feel as a hardcore fan that without some quality new material I will not pay to see the show.

I really enjoyed the Arrival cd ,I did not however think that JSS was the man to replace SA,his voice is too hardcore and fresh for the old shit.

That being said when you think about the voice .....Arnel seems to cover things well.Does he have the balls to do it 6 nights a week....I don't think so.I myself can cover whatever Journey shit you throw at me.Can I do it 5- 6 nights a week?? FUCK NO !!

I truly do not think there will ever be a replacement for SP.Lets be real kids he is a legend and legends do not get replaced PERIOD.

My thought as it has been for some time now is this,they do the old shit till it is completley burned out and then ...POOF gone!! On the other hand I would welcome some new material and pay the $$ to check it out because I am a JOURNEY FAN!!

As far as the "casual fan"....of course they will accept it....they remember the songs not the band...that's what it means to be a FAN you get into the band not just the freakin songs !!

Sorry for the long post but thats my lousy 3rd post 2 cents !!

[ArnelRox]

Arnel seems to cover things well.Does he have the balls to do it 6 nights a week....I don't think so.I myself can cover whatever Journey shit you throw at me.Can I do it 5- 6 nights a week?? FUCK NO !!

Welcome to MR.

Journey hasn't performed 5-6 nites a week in a long, long, long time. I don't think they are likely to do that again. But Arnel's track record is of performing that many nites a week for shows lasting 5-6 hrs, not all Journey songs tho.

[larryfromnextdoor]

I really enjoyed the Arrival cd ,I did not however think that JSS was the man to replace SA,his voice is too hardcore and fresh for the old shit.

hmm... blitz could be dangerous,, dont know if hes dissing or digging.. .....

if auditioning a new guitar player for your band..." dude i really like your guitar playing ,, but your just too hardcore and fresh for us old players...",, i love that !!

welcome blitzer....

[Pstburp]

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[AR]

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Can I use that parrot as my avatar?

[anyway]

hi everyone after reading all the posts in this thread I just want to add my 2 cents too haha. I'll be honest, I'm a diehard classic Journey fan. There is no replacement for SP period imo but having said that, I'm more than willing to give the new guy a chance. Seriously tho, they REALLY need some new material, they need to widen the fan base and they might have a slim chance of that IF they come out with something new. As was said earlier, this type of music isn't what's selling these days and you can only put out so many reissues right? Maybe if they just changed the recipe slightly, they might just do it. Getting back to Arnel, imagine the pressures on that guy? Make no frikkin wonder he's forgetting words! I say give a guy a chance, see what happens.

[AR]

hi everyone after reading all the posts in this thread I just want to add my 2 cents too haha. I'll be honest, I'm a diehard classic Journey fan. There is no replacement for SP period imo but having said that, I'm more than willing to give the new guy a chance. Seriously tho, they REALLY need some new material, they need to widen the fan base and they might have a slim chance of that IF they come out with something new. As was said earlier, this type of music isn't what's selling these days and you can only put out so many reissues right? Maybe if they just changed the recipe slightly, they might just do it. Getting back to Arnel, imagine the pressures on that guy? Make no frikkin wonder he's forgetting words! I say give a guy a chance, see what happens.

Did you give Jeff a chance? 4 posts.

I am suspicious of new posters. No offense.

[Crazie Scarab]

Hey... I'm only a casual fan now! To tell you the truth, I think Journey is done. I hope Neal & Jon invested their money well.

[Crazie Scarab]

hi everyone after reading all the posts in this thread I just want to add my 2 cents too haha. I'll be honest, I'm a diehard classic Journey fan. There is no replacement for SP period imo but having said that, I'm more than willing to give the new guy a chance. Seriously tho, they REALLY need some new material, they need to widen the fan base and they might have a slim chance of that IF they come out with something new. As was said earlier, this type of music isn't what's selling these days and you can only put out so many reissues right? Maybe if they just changed the recipe slightly, they might just do it. Getting back to Arnel, imagine the pressures on that guy? Make no frikkin wonder he's forgetting words! I say give a guy a chance, see what happens.

Did you give Jeff a chance? 4 posts.

I am suspicious of new posters. No offense.

Some of us are suspicious of you, too.

[AR]

hi everyone after reading all the posts in this thread I just want to add my 2 cents too haha. I'll be honest, I'm a diehard classic Journey fan. There is no replacement for SP period imo but having said that, I'm more than willing to give the new guy a chance. Seriously tho, they REALLY need some new material, they need to widen the fan base and they might have a slim chance of that IF they come out with something new. As was said earlier, this type of music isn't what's selling these days and you can only put out so many reissues right? Maybe if they just changed the recipe slightly, they might just do it. Getting back to Arnel, imagine the pressures on that guy? Make no frikkin wonder he's forgetting words! I say give a guy a chance, see what happens.

Did you give Jeff a chance? 4 posts.

I am suspicious of new posters. No offense.

Some of us are suspicious of you, too.

LOL

[Rip Rokken]

Ok let me make sure this is clear. We're betting on the fact that u say Arnel wont be introducing the songs, Cain will. I'm betting Arnel will be introducing them. Right?

How much are we betting?

They've got to let him be the frontman, or else it just has no chance of working. However, he'll still have the accent. It will be very interesting to see what happens.

[Pstburp]

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Can I use that parrot as my avatar?

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[AR]

Faithfully...faithfully...faithfully...

Can I use that parrot as my avatar?

Ha Ha..Yeah!!

Thanks, that's classic.

[bluejeangirl76]

I attribute my doubts about this line up to all of the above, however, will the casual fan except this line up? Will they notice or even care?

I don't really see this lineup being accepted, especially once these re-records come out. Early poll reactions are coming in - I spoke with a casual fan today, someone who isn't up on the shennanigans of late, and I mentioned about the rumor that the re-records are being done with the YouTube singer du jour and the reaction I got was a very annoyed "WHY are they doing THAT?" That's the 2nd time in a week someone has reacted that way to me sayign this, too.

This came about after a brief discourse about song/music rights and royalties and the person I was talking to is a lawyer, so that's how it came up. This person is also a musician and was annoyed at the idea of Journey fucking up everything Steve has ever done with the band by crapping all over it this way... *ahem* IF that is in fact what's going on. I'm still holding out hope that this is some horrible nightmare someone had and posted and that it will never come to light. *cries*

[AR]

It's very sad. Credibility at near age 60 is hard to come by.

They had a crack at it. Recording new music with a respected singer who cared apparently was not what these losers wanted. A last few paychecks is all they seem to want. Hopefully they will be light in the wallet. Something tells me that will be the case.

[bluejeangirl76]

It's very sad. Credibility at near age 60 is hard to come by.

They had a crack at it. Recording new music with a respected singer who cared apparently was not what these losers wanted. A last few paychecks is all they seem to want. Hopefully they will be light in the wallet. Something tells me that will be the case.

I can't see how this could be that successful. A band covering themselves with a new singer 30 years after the fact is just SAD. It's like watching a drug addict come out of rehab with a fresh chance and only to end up taking TWICE as much shit as they did before they went in and not being able to do a thing about it except stand there and watch the train wreck happen. Casual fans don't care that much anymore because Journey hasn't given them a good reason to care, and THIS sure as shit isn't going to do it either.

[mistiejourney]

OK, so among the hardcore fans Arnel is getting mixed reactions, mostly negative. whatever the reason, looks, stage presence or quality of voice or perhaps wanting to keep the band "All American"

I attribute my doubts about this line up to all of the above, however, will the casual fan except this line up? Will they notice or even care?

The casual fan goes to a Journey concert a year, drinks some beers, sings along & either doesnt know the names of band members at all or knows the name Steve Perry but that's it. They dont really notice lineup changes unless they're blatantly obvious. Arnel has a powerful voice, he's a goodlooking guy & his stage presence will work just fine. Last yr when Jeff was up there, I had casual fans say Perry got a tan. They had no clue. This will be the same. Arnel is not blatantly ethnic looking.

Perry got a tan?? I knew folks got Steve Augeri mixed up with Steve Perry, but Jeff looks totally different!!!!!!

[larryfromnextdoor]

OK, so among the hardcore fans Arnel is getting mixed reactions, mostly negative. whatever the reason, looks, stage presence or quality of voice or perhaps wanting to keep the band "All American"

I attribute my doubts about this line up to all of the above, however, will the casual fan except this line up? Will they notice or even care?

The casual fan goes to a Journey concert a year, drinks some beers, sings along & either doesnt know the names of band members at all or knows the name Steve Perry but that's it. They dont really notice lineup changes unless they're blatantly obvious. Arnel has a powerful voice, he's a goodlooking guy & his stage presence will work just fine. Last yr when Jeff was up there, I had casual fans say Perry got a tan. They had no clue. This will be the same. Arnel is not blatantly ethnic looking.

Perry got a tan?? I knew folks got Steve Augeri mixed up with Steve Perry, but Jeff looks totally different!!!!!!

OMG!

1.perry with a perm
2.perry with a tan..
3.perry with a burned out band

[Rick]

OK, so among the hardcore fans Arnel is getting mixed reactions, mostly negative. whatever the reason, looks, stage presence or quality of voice or perhaps wanting to keep the band "All American"

I attribute my doubts about this line up to all of the above, however, will the casual fan except this line up? Will they notice or even care?

The casual fan goes to a Journey concert a year, drinks some beers, sings along & either doesnt know the names of band members at all or knows the name Steve Perry but that's it. They dont really notice lineup changes unless they're blatantly obvious. Arnel has a powerful voice, he's a goodlooking guy & his stage presence will work just fine. Last yr when Jeff was up there, I had casual fans say Perry got a tan. They had no clue. This will be the same. Arnel is not blatantly ethnic looking.

Perry got a tan?? I knew folks got Steve Augeri mixed up with Steve Perry, but Jeff looks totally different!!!!!!

Yeah and Jeff's damn near a foot taller.

[mistiejourney]

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[AR]

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[ebake02]

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[Deb]

The casual fan goes to a Journey concert a year, drinks some beers, sings along & either doesnt know the names of band members at all or knows the name Steve Perry but that's it. They dont really notice lineup changes unless they're blatantly obvious. Arnel has a powerful voice, he's a goodlooking guy & his stage presence will work just fine. Last yr when Jeff was up there, I had casual fans say Perry got a tan. They had no clue. This will be the same. Arnel is not blatantly ethnic looking.

Don't know if I agree with that Suz, nobody I know goes to a concert that they don't even know who is singing or who the frontman is. Can't see there being too many of those at a show.

[Voyager]

Hey... I'm only a casual fan now! To tell you the truth, I think Journey is done. I hope Neal & Jon invested their money well.

They should have purchased stock in Sammy Hagar's tequila business when Eddie Van Halen turned him down.

[Rick]

Hey... I'm only a casual fan now! To tell you the truth, I think Journey is done. I hope Neal & Jon invested their money well.

They should have purchased stock in Sammy Hagar's tequila business when Eddie Van Halen turned him down.

While it's not great for Sammy, Van Halen probably doubled their fans interest when DLR came back. I'm sure they're making 2 or 3x times the money they would have made with Sammy. I realize that Sammy was with the band through most of their most money making years, but it's the nostalgia of it that grabs attention. Hear that Mr. Perry? God knows you can still sing better than DLR. It's about nostalgia now. Put down the cats and get on stage dude.

[ArnelRox]

The casual fan goes to a Journey concert a year, drinks some beers, sings along & either doesnt know the names of band members at all or knows the name Steve Perry but that's it. They dont really notice lineup changes unless they're blatantly obvious. Arnel has a powerful voice, he's a goodlooking guy & his stage presence will work just fine. Last yr when Jeff was up there, I had casual fans say Perry got a tan. They had no clue. This will be the same. Arnel is not blatantly ethnic looking.

Don't know if I agree with that Suz, nobody I know goes to a concert that they don't even know who is singing or who the frontman is. Can't see there being too many of those at a show.

Wow ur friends are cool then. I was at work tonite & actually talking to some customers about concerts & most of them could care less who is in the band, they just go for the music they remember from back in the day. Just a few people I've met won't go unless it's the original line up. I've been to a lot of concerts over the past several years & most people I've met couldn't tell u the name of any band member or the lead singer. I remember trying to educate people about Jeff last year at a Journey concert & getting blank looks from a lot of people. Some were interested but more could care less.