OT--The Future of This Great Country

[bluejeangirl76]

Wow. So much gloom & doom nay-sayers. Just the negative gang mentality of this board I guess.

Yeah. That's the problem. Couldn't possibly have anything to do with the dispicable state this country has descended into in the last, ohhh.. let's round it off to 7 years. No that's not it. It's Melodicrock's fault, as a whole, that people are upset with the US government and the state of the "union".

[conversationpc]

Wow. So much gloom & doom nay-sayers. Just the negative gang mentality of this board I guess.

Yeah. That's the problem. Couldn't possibly have anything to do with the dispicable state this country has descended into in the last, ohhh.. let's round it off to 7 years. No that's not it. It's Melodicrock's fault, as a whole, that people are upset with the US government and the state of the "union".

I don't know about you but I don't find myself wallowing in gloom and doom regardless of who the President is. My hope rests in Jesus. If it did rest in all this other stuff, I'd be gloomy and doomy myself.

[Arkansas]

Wow. So much gloom & doom nay-sayers. Just the negative gang mentality of this board I guess.

Yeah. That's the problem. Couldn't possibly have anything to do with the dispicable state this country has descended into in the last, ohhh.. let's round it off to 7 years. No that's not it. It's Melodicrock's fault, as a whole, that people are upset with the US government and the state of the "union".

So, America has only taken this dreadful downturn in the past seven yrs? Wow. 231 yrs down the tubes just because of the new millenium. Interesting.

My Dad swears it happened in the 60s. Had a grandmother who lived through the Depression. She thought it was bad then. Some of us have Civil War ancestors that think it was bad when they were around. And I'm sure that a hundred yrs from now - yes, America will be around then - people will swear that it's gotten even worse...although it will be attributed to the current administration...just like it was a hundred yrs ago when people said we were doomed then too.

So, in my opinion, since there's always someone that thinks it's worse today than it was yesterday, and tomorrow is doomed, then my world is absolutely fantastic. Relatively speaking, I'm happy as a clam.


later~

[bluejeangirl76]

Wow. So much gloom & doom nay-sayers. Just the negative gang mentality of this board I guess.

Yeah. That's the problem. Couldn't possibly have anything to do with the dispicable state this country has descended into in the last, ohhh.. let's round it off to 7 years. No that's not it. It's Melodicrock's fault, as a whole, that people are upset with the US government and the state of the "union".

So, America has only taken this dreadful downturn in the past seven yrs? Wow. 231 yrs down the tubes just because of the new millenium. Interesting.

No, certainly not. But the economy, the budget and the deficit were in better shape by the time BC left office.
GW swooped in and *wham*... 1 step forward, 8 steps back.

[conversationpc]

No, certainly not. But the economy, the budget and the deficit were in better shape by the time BC left office.
GW swooped in and *wham*... 1 step forward, 8 steps back.

Sorry, but no, the economy was not in better shape after Clinton left office. The national debt has continued to rise in every administration since the 40s, if not before. The deficit was technically reduced except, of course, lots of things were left out to make it appear that the deficit was eliminated (which the current administration also does...).

Of course, the government tries to tell you that the national debt is something like 10 trillion dollars or something like that, but it's really more like 3 or 4 times higher than that. Repubs and Dems both fudge the numbers to make people feel better.

[FishinMagician]

By the way, how do you like that attorney's are subpoenaing EZ-Pass records to catch cheating spouses in the act? What's next?

ya, its kinda like buying drugs with your debit card. use cash!

[ohsherrie]

No, certainly not. But the economy, the budget and the deficit were in better shape by the time BC left office.
GW swooped in and *wham*... 1 step forward, 8 steps back.

Sorry, but no, the economy was not in better shape after Clinton left office. The national debt has continued to rise in every administration since the 40s, if not before. The deficit was technically reduced except, of course, lots of things were left out to make it appear that the deficit was eliminated (which the current administration also does...).

Of course, the government tries to tell you that the national debt is something like 10 trillion dollars or something like that, but it's really more like 3 or 4 times higher than that. Repubs and Dems both fudge the numbers to make people feel better.

There was a BUDGET SURPLUS when Bill Clinton left office. The best use for the surplus, whether to apply it to Social Security or the national debt was being debated. Neither was done. Bush decided to buy more votes of the ignorant by sending every taxpayer at least $600 big bucks to buy themselves something real nice with and help the economy.

[conversationpc]

There was a BUDGET SURPLUS when Bill Clinton left office. The best use for the surplus, whether to apply it to Social Security or the national debt was being debated. Neither was done. Bush decided to buy more votes of the ignorant by sending every taxpayer at least $600 big bucks to buy themselves something real nice with and help the economy.

Like I said, the national debt continued to rise even during Clinton's term. If we had truly had a budget surplus, there's no way the debt could have risen. The reason some think we had a surpluse was because there were (and still are) tons of dollars left out of the calculations. Thought it did nearly level out in the late 90s, we still accumulated debt. The numbers that the Bush administration uses are bogus also. There is MUCH more national debt than anyone has been letting on.

[conversationpc]

BTW, ohsherry, I readily admit that the economy is not as good as what I once thought. After finding out just how much crap is left out of the budget numbers that we are given, it's just horrendous how much trouble our economy is in. This doesn't excuse previous administrations from the voodoo they've performed on the numbers, though. It's really rather maddening.

http://www.buzzflash.com/articles/alerts/105

On the other hand, our percentage of debt compared to GDP is actually lower than other industrialized nations but, at this point, what difference does that make?

[ohsherrie]

There was a BUDGET SURPLUS when Bill Clinton left office. The best use for the surplus, whether to apply it to Social Security or the national debt was being debated. Neither was done. Bush decided to buy more votes of the ignorant by sending every taxpayer at least $600 big bucks to buy themselves something real nice with and help the economy.

Like I said, the national debt continued to rise even during Clinton's term. If we had truly had a budget surplus, there's no way the debt could have risen. The reason some think we had a surpluse was because there were (and still are) tons of dollars left out of the calculations. Thought it did nearly level out in the late 90s, we still accumulated debt. The numbers that the Bush administration uses are bogus also. There is MUCH more national debt than anyone has been letting on.

Quit trying to cloud the issue Dave. We're not talking national debt, we're talking budget. Of course the budget surplus was only on paper. It's all only on paper. The numbers on the paper should have been applied to Social Security or the national debt to make the numbers on those papers look better, but it wasn't. The calculations on the paper were done the same way then as they are now using numbers from the same sources, so if you compare apples to apples, Clinton administration economic mangement vs Bush regime lack of such, then Clinton had a budget surplus and Bush not only flittered away the surplus he sunk us into an astronomical budget deficit. Doesn't it stand to reason that economic policies that could create the illusion of a surplus in the budget rather than the illusion of a massive deficit would have a much better chance of having the illusion of money to apply to the elusive national debt than somebody who spends billions of dollars on non-war related Pentagon mink covered goldgen toilet seats?

[conversationpc]

The calculations on the paper were done the same way then as they are now using numbers from the same sources

Now hold on there a sec. I brought this same argument up several months ago in another thread and you tried to tell me that the numbers don't mean anything even though I continually pointed out that the numbers being used now are the same numbers that were used then. Make up your mind.

BTW, did you read my last post regarding the REAL national debt? Scary stuff.

[ohsherrie]

BTW, ohsherry, I readily admit that the economy is not as good as what I once thought. After finding out just how much crap is left out of the budget numbers that we are given, it's just horrendous how much trouble our economy is in. This doesn't excuse previous administrations from the voodoo they've performed on the numbers, though. It's really rather maddening.

http://www.buzzflash.com/articles/alerts/105

On the other hand, our percentage of debt compared to GDP is actually lower than other industrialized nations but, at this point, what difference does that make?

Interesting and disgusting. Thanks for the link.

[ohsherrie]

The calculations on the paper were done the same way then as they are now using numbers from the same sources

Now hold on there a sec. I brought this same argument up several months ago in another thread and you tried to tell me that the numbers don't mean anything even though I continually pointed out that the numbers being used now are the same numbers that were used then. Make up your mind.

No, in that thread we were talking about economic indicators not budget and deficit numbers. I was saying the figures used to determine how our ecomony is doing and what the unemployment rate is have nothing to do with the reality that unemployed and underemployed Americans are facing.

[conversationpc]

No, in that thread we were talking about economic indicators not budget and deficit numbers. I was saying the figures used to determine how our ecomony is doing and what the unemployment rate is have nothing to do with the reality that unemployed and underemployed Americans are facing.

I'm not so sure that was what you were saying but if you can find it and show me that's the case, I'll accept that.

[ohsherrie]

No, in that thread we were talking about economic indicators not budget and deficit numbers. I was saying the figures used to determine how our ecomony is doing and what the unemployment rate is have nothing to do with the reality that unemployed and underemployed Americans are facing.

I'm not so sure that was what you were saying but if you can find it and show me that's the case, I'll accept that.

You brought it up, you find it. I know what I said and I don't really care if you accept it or not. I don't think I've ever discussed budget and deficit figures with you it's always you bringing up the economy and unemployment figures as being indications of what great shape Bush has the country in.

[mikemarrs]

good thing is bush will be gone at the end of '08....UNLESS he declares martial law and cancels the elections if something like an attack happened.the man is so unpredictable its scary to think of what '08 might turn out to be.for me he can't leave soon enough.i feel like he has this country by the throat the last eight years in a choke hold.now its time for him to release his grip so we can try to get some air.

[conversationpc]

Bush Derangement Syndrome

[Greg]

Bush Derangement Syndrome

I blame Bush for Perry leaving the band! Oh that's right, that was under Clinton's watch!

[Rhiannon]

Bush Derangement Syndrome

I blame Bush for Perry leaving the band! Oh that's right, that was under Clinton's watch!

Well, the first time you can kind of blame Daddy Bush... or you could always blame it on...............

REGANOMICS!

[Greg]

Bush Derangement Syndrome

I blame Bush for Perry leaving the band! Oh that's right, that was under Clinton's watch!

Well, the first time it was under Dubya Senior's regime.

Actually, wasn't it under Reagan? 1987?

[Rhiannon]

Actually, wasn't it under Reagan? 1987?

Note the edited post... vulture, you!

Journey's problems = Reganomics.

[ohsherrie]

Bush Derangement Syndrome

I blame Bush for Perry leaving the band! Oh that's right, that was under Clinton's watch!

Actually that is the political argument equivalent to Monker facetiously blaming everything on Perry. It's become an easy out when there is no true or logical argument to offer.

[Greg]

Actually, wasn't it under Reagan? 1987?

Note the edited post... vulture, you!

Journey's problems = Reganomics.

Hahaha! See, if Reagan had pressed the right button (the nurse button not the nuke button) Perry would still be in the band!

[Greg]

Bush Derangement Syndrome

I blame Bush for Perry leaving the band! Oh that's right, that was under Clinton's watch!

Actually that is the political argument equivalent to Monker facetiously blaming everything on Perry. It's become an easy out when there is no true or logical argument to offer.

That's pretty much how all political arguments usually wind up. In the end, I think we can all agree it's Elmo's fault!

[ohsherrie]

That's pretty much how all political arguments usually wind up. In the end, I think we can all agree it's Elmo's fault!

There ya go.

[brywool]

wonder what is going to happen here in the next few years.we are already at war and hopefully we don't enter another with iran.the economy absolutely stinks.the gas prices are through the roof and might go even higher.the crime is certainly getting worse.i'm only 33 years old but when i grew up in the 80's it seemed like the future was looking great.we didn't even look our doors then.none of the violence and negativity you see now.i certainly feel for my children and others who will grow up in this harsh reality.does anyone see things getting better???

I'm with you Mike. It's damned scary and in a lot of situations damned embarrassing.
The Mayans say the world goes bye bye in 2012. Looking at the current state of things, I'm starting to believe it.

I mean, nukes and religious freaks everywhere, kids can build bombs by getting plans off the internet and to top it off,
the freakin Spice Girls are coming back. If anything was a sign of impending doom, that's it.

Seriously, not sure how we're going to turn things around.

Personally (and I was too young) speaking, the 60s talk of "all you need is love" and "make love not war" are sadly missing from our world today. (And no, I don't mean the drugs dickweeds!) Just the idea of everyone getting along...

It'll never happen with humans.

I think we're screwed. If the world blows up this weekend, I just wanna say it's been good knowing you all.

And to all you Clinton bashers...

Sorry but Bush has taken us into a war that we should've never been in and the rest of the world hates our guts at this point. The dollar's in the dumper (how is THAT Clinton's fault???).
If EVER there should've been a president impeached, it's this one. Every time Cheney has a heart palpatation, I'm one step away from cracking open a bottle of champagne.

Sorry to get political. I still think "All you need is Love" and all you don't need is religious dogma. God's okay, but organizing religions and using them to start wars is BS.

[Greg]

[scarygirl]

Wow. So much gloom & doom nay-sayers. Just the negative gang mentality of this board I guess.

Yeah. That's the problem. Couldn't possibly have anything to do with the dispicable state this country has descended into in the last, ohhh.. let's round it off to 7 years. No that's not it. It's Melodicrock's fault, as a whole, that people are upset with the US government and the state of the "union".

I don't know about you but I don't find myself wallowing in gloom and doom regardless of who the President is. My hope rests in Jesus. If it did rest in all this other stuff, I'd be gloomy and doomy myself.

You aren't the least bit scared? I understand the hope in Jesus, but I'm still petrified - of getting my head cut off. Some of you may laugh at that sentiment, but there's going to come a time, and I hope that I can stand strong enough.

[brywool]

thanks Greg.

Everybody, turn to your neighbor and hug....

[scarygirl]

wonder what is going to happen here in the next few years.we are already at war and hopefully we don't enter another with iran.the economy absolutely stinks.the gas prices are through the roof and might go even higher.the crime is certainly getting worse.i'm only 33 years old but when i grew up in the 80's it seemed like the future was looking great.we didn't even look our doors then.none of the violence and negativity you see now.i certainly feel for my children and others who will grow up in this harsh reality.does anyone see things getting better???

I'm with you Mike. It's damned scary and in a lot of situations damned embarrassing.
The Mayans say the world goes bye bye in 2012. Looking at the current state of things, I'm starting to believe it.

I mean, nukes and religious freaks everywhere, kids can build bombs by getting plans off the internet and to top it off,
the freakin Spice Girls are coming back. If anything was a sign of impending doom, that's it.

Seriously, not sure how we're going to turn things around.

Personally (and I was too young) speaking, the 60s talk of "all you need is love" and "make love not war" are sadly missing from our world today. (And no, I don't mean the drugs dickweeds!) Just the idea of everyone getting along...

It'll never happen with humans.

I think we're screwed. If the world blows up this weekend, I just wanna say it's been good knowing you all.

And to all you Clinton bashers...

Sorry but Bush has taken us into a war that we should've never been in and the rest of the world hates our guts at this point. The dollar's in the dumper (how is THAT Clinton's fault???).
If EVER there should've been a president impeached, it's this one. Every time Cheney has a heart palpatation, I'm one step away from cracking open a bottle of champagne.

Sorry to get political. I still think "All you need is Love" and all you don't need is religious dogma. God's okay, but organizing religions and using them to start wars is BS.

You should be more afraid when we stop fighting. When the world is finally and seemingly at peace. There is someone who is going to come and tell us he can make everything all right, but it won't be alright. Not by a long shot.