Official word from the Caveman

[Lerxst101]

I let Kevin Shirley know about the latest rumors.

hey there, who are you? you gotta story?

I was going to bring this up next, but Larry here beat me to the punch. Who the hell is Lerxst101 and how do we know he's on the level?

I meant to start my thread with an intro, as I don't post much at all, and I'm also highly suspicious of new users that post news/rumors. I've been a Journey fan forever (1979) and have been visiting Andrew's site since at least as early as Augieri coming on board. I got to "know" Kevin through corresponding with him during the recordings of Arrival and the Healing Sixes. We have other mutual interests, so it's not all about music. I have never posted anything he's told me in the past, as I respect our friendship more than the quick "thrill" of posting interesting music news. I was actually surprised when he said to feel free to post his e-mail of this morning. That's why I wrote back to make sure he didn't mind.

[STORY_TELLER]

I let Kevin Shirley know about the latest rumors.

hey there, who are you? you gotta story?

I was going to bring this up next, but Larry here beat me to the punch. Who the hell is Lerxst101 and how do we know he's on the level?

I meant to start my thread with an intro, as I don't post much at all, and I'm also highly suspicious of new users that post news/rumors. I've been a Journey fan forever (1979) and have been visiting Andrew's site since at least as early as Augieri coming on board. I got to "know" Kevin through corresponding with him during the recordings of Arrival and the Healing Sixes. We have other mutual interests, so it's not all about music. I have never posted anything he's told me in the past, as I respect our friendship more than the quick "thrill" of posting interesting music news. I was actually surprised when he said to feel free to post his e-mail of this morning. That's why I wrote back to make sure he didn't mind.

No offense, but I smell fish. Unless I hear Andrew confirming what you said, I have to question your authenticity brother. Sorry.

[Matthew]

Yep.
that's our Sherrie There are people like that (Matto, you're one of them too) who want to attribute just about every single unit shifted that made that dvd platinum to Perry, 3 years after he was bounced. Same with the Arrival album. Images of perry at the helm, 3 years after his departure was reported in every music medium in the world (and despite a sticker on the ablum listing the lineup) was the reason it got to 300K

The Arrival DVD passed me by at the time. And the absence of Perry - which I did pick up on - is the reason I haven't bought the DVD since. About as much point as buying the re-recorded GH with Pineda which everyone was slamming the band for earlier today....

But yes...I don't believe that the one or two original tracks on the DVD has anything to do with what sales the DVD did achieve. All of the units were sold due to the brand name and the setlist which Perry played a central role in creating rather than on Augeri's 'interpretation' of the material.

[Red13JoePa]

If you're admitting that you don't think they were mostly buying thinking perry was singing, I can live w/ that.

[Lerxst101]

I let Kevin Shirley know about the latest rumors.

hey there, who are you? you gotta story?

I was going to bring this up next, but Larry here beat me to the punch. Who the hell is Lerxst101 and how do we know he's on the level?

I meant to start my thread with an intro, as I don't post much at all, and I'm also highly suspicious of new users that post news/rumors. I've been a Journey fan forever (1979) and have been visiting Andrew's site since at least as early as Augieri coming on board. I got to "know" Kevin through corresponding with him during the recordings of Arrival and the Healing Sixes. We have other mutual interests, so it's not all about music. I have never posted anything he's told me in the past, as I respect our friendship more than the quick "thrill" of posting interesting music news. I was actually surprised when he said to feel free to post his e-mail of this morning. That's why I wrote back to make sure he didn't mind.

No offense, but I smell fish. Unless I hear Andrew confirming what you said, I have to question your authenticity brother. Sorry.

No offense taken, and I truly understand (I PM'd you). I'm originally from the Jersey Shore, but there's no fish in my post -- at least not on my end, and Kevin is not one to throw out BS. He's been brutally honest with me about a few things and is not afraid to voice his opinion on anything.

[Escape Artist]

I let Kevin Shirley know about the latest rumors.

hey there, who are you? you gotta story?

I was going to bring this up next, but Larry here beat me to the punch. Who the hell is Lerxst101 and how do we know he's on the level?

I meant to start my thread with an intro, as I don't post much at all, and I'm also highly suspicious of new users that post news/rumors. I've been a Journey fan forever (1979) and have been visiting Andrew's site since at least as early as Augieri coming on board. I got to "know" Kevin through corresponding with him during the recordings of Arrival and the Healing Sixes. We have other mutual interests, so it's not all about music. I have never posted anything he's told me in the past, as I respect our friendship more than the quick "thrill" of posting interesting music news. I was actually surprised when he said to feel free to post his e-mail of this morning. That's why I wrote back to make sure he didn't mind.

I am as much of a skeptic as anyone here, but I have read KS's diary for a long time now and the writting style in Lerxst101's post attributed to KS sounds exactly like KS to me, I think this is the real deal.

[STORY_TELLER]

If you're admitting that you don't think they were mostly buying thinking perry was singing, I can live w/ that.

Okay, lets not turn this into an Augeri debate. The topic of the thread is "official word from Caveman". Stick with it.

On that note:

Believe me when I say no one wants to believe this report more than me. Just doesn't seem reasonable that if Kevin wanted to quell negativity about what Journey is up to, he would send an email via someone who the board doesn't know or trust. Why wouldn't he send a message Andrew's way with this same information and ask to keep his name out of the report?

Again, I want to believe you, but it seems odd.

[ohsherrie]

If you're admitting that you don't think they were mostly buying thinking perry was singing, I can live w/ that.

I didn't say mostly, but I think a lot of people picked it up out of a bargain bin because they saw the name Journey and the track or set list and paid no attention to who was actually singing. I think the same thing will happen with this CD.

[STORY_TELLER]

I am as much of a skeptic as anyone here, but I have read KS's diary for a long time now and the writting style in Lerxst101's post attributed to KS sounds exactly like KS to me, I think this is the real deal.

From your mouth to God's ears. If this band makes any more fucked up decisions I think I'll have to stop claiming myself as a fan. It's just too embarrassing.

[STORY_TELLER]

If you're admitting that you don't think they were mostly buying thinking perry was singing, I can live w/ that.

I didn't say mostly, but I think a lot of people picked it up out of a bargain bin because they saw the name Journey and the track or set list and paid no attention to who was actually singing. I think the same thing will happen with this CD.

While I agree with this 100%, PLEASE STOP THE MADNESS!! lol... This thread is about Caveman and reports about the new album with the new singer.

Augeri is no longer in the band (thank god). Let it be.

[ohsherrie]

If you're admitting that you don't think they were mostly buying thinking perry was singing, I can live w/ that.

I didn't say mostly, but I think a lot of people picked it up out of a bargain bin because they saw the name Journey and the track or set list and paid no attention to who was actually singing. I think the same thing will happen with this CD.

While I agree with this 100%, PLEASE STOP THE MADNESS!! lol... This thread is about Caveman and reports about the new album with the new singer.

Augeri is no longer in the band (thank god). Let it be.

See the highlighted sentence. It was pertaining to the new CD and even if it wasn't, I'd frankly rather even talk about Augeri than anything they're doing now. Augeri was just their first mistake. Now were at #4 so I don't care what the Caveman has to say about them.

[Lerxst101]

I am as much of a skeptic as anyone here, but I have read KS's diary for a long time now and the writting style in Lerxst101's post attributed to KS sounds exactly like KS to me, I think this is the real deal.

From your mouth to God's ears. If this band makes any more fucked up decisions I think I'll have to stop claiming myself as a fan. It's just too embarrassing.

As I posted on the other thread:

I wouldn't doubt that they are doing both -- and that's not from Kevin, that's my own gut feeling. I could easily see Wal-Mart saying, "OK, you can record and release news songs, but it's either going to be released after the rehash CD, or at best, in a package with a rehash."

Nonetheless, I just don't get it -- whether it's an "FU" to Perry or Sony, or another way to try to make some quick $, re-recording the hits just doesn't make sense to me. Are we diehards the only ones who will care, though?...

[Escape Artist]

I am as much of a skeptic as anyone here, but I have read KS's diary for a long time now and the writting style in Lerxst101's post attributed to KS sounds exactly like KS to me, I think this is the real deal.

From your mouth to God's ears. If this band makes any more fucked up decisions I think I'll have to stop claiming myself as a fan. It's just too embarrassing.

Yes, this had better be 1) new music & 2) the second coming or I will no longer be a fan myself.

[SF-Dano]

so did anyone expect Kevin Shirley to say he's working on a project with Journey and it sucks? Of course he is going to say it's amazing and awesome. bottom line is many will buy it out of curiosity, just like they did when Arrival came out. and just for the record, the Arrival dvd was released AFTER the pay-per-view free concert, so most knew they weren't getting SP. It will be interesting to see how this all gets marketed to the general public.

Only people who watched it. I didn't even know it was being shown until my niece called me and told me she'd come across it while looking for a movie. I know of several people just within my small sphere of acquaintances who bought Arrival without realizing they weren't getting Perry.

you so hate augeri you can't even admit that people saw the direct tv special, enjoyed it, and went out and bought the dvd and the cd and concert tickets because of it. and it was because the whole package worked for many casual fans. and of those casual fans many became die-hard "new" fans because of augeri. just like so many became die-hard "new" fans because of jss.

I didn't say nobody bought it because they liked it Maria. I said some people bought it because they didn't know it wasn't Steve Perry.

But since you want to make such an issue of it, I'd be willing to bet that more of those people used the CD for a coaster than bought concert tickets because of it. If many had bought tickets because of Arrival you'd think more of the crowds would have wanted to hear those songs instead of the classics wouldn't you? Hell, there were still people attending the concerts that Jeff was fronting that didn't know Perry was gone let alone know who Augeri was.

Boy, these Perry fans must be really big fans of Perry's if they didn't know he was out of the band by the time JSS was around. Hell not much of a fan if they didn't know by the release of Arrival or the DVD. A true fan would have known back in 1998.

[ohsherrie]

Boy, these Perry fans must be really big fans of Perry's if they didn't know he was out of the band by the time JSS was around. Hell not much of a fan if they didn't know by the release of Arrival or the DVD. A true fan would have known back in 1998.

You missed the point altogether. I wasn't talking about Perry fans or die hard Journey fans. That's not who bought most of the Arrival CDs, or the 2001 DVD. It's the casual fan that recognizes the name Journey and the songs that bought most of those out of the bargain bins and will buy this one at Wally World when they see the display while shopping for video games without knowing who is singing. They didn't by Arrival, the DVD, or the concert tickets for the last 10 yrs because of Augeri, and they won't be buying this mess their doing now because of Arnel. Their buying the nostalgia of the name and the Dirty Dozen.

[StevePerryHair]

so did anyone expect Kevin Shirley to say he's working on a project with Journey and it sucks? Of course he is going to say it's amazing and awesome. bottom line is many will buy it out of curiosity, just like they did when Arrival came out. and just for the record, the Arrival dvd was released AFTER the pay-per-view free concert, so most knew they weren't getting SP. It will be interesting to see how this all gets marketed to the general public.

Only people who watched it. I didn't even know it was being shown until my niece called me and told me she'd come across it while looking for a movie. I know of several people just within my small sphere of acquaintances who bought Arrival without realizing they weren't getting Perry.

you so hate augeri you can't even admit that people saw the direct tv special, enjoyed it, and went out and bought the dvd and the cd and concert tickets because of it. and it was because the whole package worked for many casual fans. and of those casual fans many became die-hard "new" fans because of augeri. just like so many became die-hard "new" fans because of jss.

I didn't say nobody bought it because they liked it Maria. I said some people bought it because they didn't know it wasn't Steve Perry.

But since you want to make such an issue of it, I'd be willing to bet that more of those people used the CD for a coaster than bought concert tickets because of it. If many had bought tickets because of Arrival you'd think more of the crowds would have wanted to hear those songs instead of the classics wouldn't you? Hell, there were still people attending the concerts that Jeff was fronting that didn't know Perry was gone let alone know who Augeri was.

Boy, these Perry fans must be really big fans of Perry's if they didn't know he was out of the band by the time JSS was around. Hell not much of a fan if they didn't know by the release of Arrival or the DVD. A true fan would have known back in 1998.

She's right though. Several people at the concerts we attended had no idea that Perry wasn't still with Journey. And these people were going to a Journey headliner concert and they didn't know. People see the name Journey, they remember they loved the music, and they get tickets not knowing any history or what album may be released. And I am a big Journey fan of the Perry music, but I had no idea who Augeri was when they announced the tour with DL last year. I had no idea they were still together. Does that make me less a fan of their music? I have the cd's from the Perry era.

[Red13JoePa]

Or they didn't CARE that he was out and wanted to see Journey ANYway.

this misnomer that majority of the world still thinks he's in the band is ridiculous.

Ask Strangegrey about the signs and disclaimers they were forced to put at all the touring venues in 98.
At the entrances, concession stands, above urinals.

The lineup sticker was on Arrival and the 2001 dvd

[bluejeangirl76]

She's right though. Several people at the concerts we attended had no idea that Perry wasn't still with Journey. And these people were going to a Journey headliner concert and they didn't know. People see the name Journey, they remember they loved the music, and they get tickets not knowing any history or what album may be released.

...and these same people are going to see that CD, go "Oooh, cool, I love that one song from the Sopranos... that "small town girl" one... I should just get this, it's only $12..." I've been told by a number of folks that they ran into people at the shows who had no idea SP wasn't in the band. I didn't happen to encounter any of these people when I went, but yeah, they're definitely out there.

[Lerxst101]

Or they didn't CARE that he was out and wanted to see Journey ANYway.

this misnomer that majority of the world still thinks he's in the band is ridiculous.

Ask Strangegrey about the signs and disclaimers they were forced to put at all the touring venues in 98.
At the entrances, concession stands, above urinals.

The lineup sticker was on Arrival and the 2001 dvd

I remember seeing those signs at the Beacon Theater in NYC when I saw them for the first time with Auggie. He looked so nervous, but sounded very good. And I loved the "intermission" of Neal and Jonathan jamming. But those signs... figured they were required to do that (and on Arrival).

[ohsherrie]

Or they didn't CARE that he was out and wanted to see Journey ANYway.

this misnomer that majority of the world still thinks he's in the band is ridiculous.

Ask Strangegrey about the signs and disclaimers they were forced to put at all the touring venues in 98.
At the entrances, concession stands, above urinals.

The lineup sticker was on Arrival and the 2001 dvd

My dear 13, I haven't, and to my knowledge neither has anyone else in this thread, said people bought concert tickets just to see Perry. All anybody has said is that they bought the tickets because they knew the name Journey, liked the classic hits and had no idea it's not Perry singing. Maybe some of them took the time to read the stickers on the jewel cases, and maybe some of them either didn't know the names of the original members or didn't care that they were different, I don't know, but one thing is for sure. They didn't buy the CD, DVD, or concert tickets because knew Perry was gone.

[SF-Dano]

She's right though. Several people at the concerts we attended had no idea that Perry wasn't still with Journey. And these people were going to a Journey headliner concert and they didn't know. People see the name Journey, they remember they loved the music, and they get tickets not knowing any history or what album may be released. And I am a big Journey fan of the Perry music, but I had no idea who Augeri was when they announced the tour with DL last year. I had no idea they were still together. Does that make me less a fan of their music? I have the cd's from the Perry era.

If you are a big fan of Journey, as most of us here are (were), it is my opinion that yes you should have known that Steve Perry was no longer a member of Journey and well before the DL tour last year. That is just my opinion and we may have differing definitions of what a " big/true fan" is. By my criteria you would fit into the Casual fan or Perry only category. Just my opinion, doesn't mean I am right as I am only going off your comment above.

Curious, did you enjoy the concert you attended?

[Eric]

Lerxst has been around forever....

And Ohsherrie:...No I don't think people didn't know Perry wasn't on the album and thats why they bought it. Because........nobody bought it. The climate is better for Journey now, but still.....

[SF-Dano]

Or they didn't CARE that he was out and wanted to see Journey ANYway.

this misnomer that majority of the world still thinks he's in the band is ridiculous.

Ask Strangegrey about the signs and disclaimers they were forced to put at all the touring venues in 98.
At the entrances, concession stands, above urinals.

The lineup sticker was on Arrival and the 2001 dvd

My dear 13, I haven't, and to my knowledge neither has anyone else in this thread, said people bought concert tickets just to see Perry. All anybody has said is that they bought the tickets because they knew the name Journey, liked the classic hits and had no idea it's not Perry singing. Maybe some of them took the time to read the stickers on the jewel cases, and maybe some of them either didn't know the names of the original members or didn't care that they were different, I don't know, but one thing is for sure. They didn't buy the CD, DVD, or concert tickets because knew Perry was gone.[/quote]

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I did. I guess I am not part of "they".

And Red you are correct. Though the posts are very carefully worded to not state that "people bought concert tickets just to see Perry", that is and always is the underlying theme of these kinds of posts.

[StevePerryHair]

She's right though. Several people at the concerts we attended had no idea that Perry wasn't still with Journey. And these people were going to a Journey headliner concert and they didn't know. People see the name Journey, they remember they loved the music, and they get tickets not knowing any history or what album may be released. And I am a big Journey fan of the Perry music, but I had no idea who Augeri was when they announced the tour with DL last year. I had no idea they were still together. Does that make me less a fan of their music? I have the cd's from the Perry era.

If you are a big fan of Journey, as most of us here are (were), it is my opinion that yes you should have known that Steve Perry was no longer a member of Journey and well before the DL tour last year. That is just my opinion and we may have differing definitions of what a " big/true fan" is. By my criteria you would fit into the Casual fan or Perry only category. Just my opinion, doesn't mean I am right as I am only going off your comment above.

Curious, did you enjoy the concert you attended?

I am not really interested in comparing who is a bigger fan. I do not drink, eat and sleep Journey. I like other music too. I did not find out they were still together until that tour. Call it bad advertising? I don't know. I know that I had the Perry era cd's and enjoyed them and saw the tour advertised. When I saw them with JSS I was hooked again and then went back and learned all the back history I had missed out on. I am just saying that I am probably like MOST of Journey's fan base out there. She is right. People will see it and think "Journey made another album" expecting Perry. That's all I was saying. The percentage of people here on MR and other Journey fan sites, who are true Journey fans, does not compare in size the average fan base who will be marketed to for this album.

I absolutely did enjoy the concert because JSS took over about 4 days before our concert in Tampa.

[ohsherrie]

I did. I guess I am not part of "they".

And Red you are correct. Though the posts are very carefully worded to not state that "people bought concert tickets just to see Perry", that is and always is the underlying theme of these kinds of posts.

Do Not tell me what I mean by what I say. I say what I mean to say. If I wanted to say Perry was the only reason people bought tickets that's exactly what I would say and if anybody should know that it would be Joe13. That's not at all what this conversation was ever about and if it turned in that direction it's because of the overdefensive Augeri fans not the Perry fans.

[Deb]

She's right though. Several people at the concerts we attended had no idea that Perry wasn't still with Journey. And these people were going to a Journey headliner concert and they didn't know. People see the name Journey, they remember they loved the music, and they get tickets not knowing any history or what album may be released. And I am a big Journey fan of the Perry music, but I had no idea who Augeri was when they announced the tour with DL last year. I had no idea they were still together. Does that make me less a fan of their music? I have the cd's from the Perry era.

That's the part I can't understand? I don't think I've gone to a concert that I didn't know who was going to be singing. Mind you, vocals are a huge part of my musical enjoyment. Say for instance, I saw that April Wine was coming to town, I would definately google them to make sure it was still Myles Goodwin singing.....before I decided to go. With ticket prices at $100 to $200 a pop, I'd be some pissed if I went to a Bon Jovi concert and it wasn't JBJ fronting. But then that's something I'd know ahead of time. Am I weird that way?

[StevePerryHair]

She's right though. Several people at the concerts we attended had no idea that Perry wasn't still with Journey. And these people were going to a Journey headliner concert and they didn't know. People see the name Journey, they remember they loved the music, and they get tickets not knowing any history or what album may be released. And I am a big Journey fan of the Perry music, but I had no idea who Augeri was when they announced the tour with DL last year. I had no idea they were still together. Does that make me less a fan of their music? I have the cd's from the Perry era.

That's the part I can't understand? I don't think I've gone to a concert that I didn't know who was going to be singing. Mind you, vocals are a huge part of my musical enjoyment. Say for instance, I saw that April Wine was coming to town, I would definately google them to make sure it was still Myles Goodwin singing.....before I decided to go. With ticket prices at $100 to $200 a pop, I'd be some pissed if I went to a Bon Jovi concert and it wasn't JBJ fronting. But then that's something I'd know ahead of time. Am I weird that way?

Yeah, I know Deb. I KNEW Augeri was supposed to sing when I bought the ticket. I just didn't know WHO he was and that Journey was still together. There were actually people at the concert in Orlando that didnt' know though. Or had no idea why Perry wasn't with them. I always know who will be there for a concert too.

[SF-Dano]

I did. I guess I am not part of "they".

And Red you are correct. Though the posts are very carefully worded to not state that "people bought concert tickets just to see Perry", that is and always is the underlying theme of these kinds of posts.

Do Not tell me what I mean by what I say. I say what I mean to say. If I wanted to say Perry was the only reason people bought tickets that's exactly what I would say and if anybody should know that it would be Joe13. That's not at all what this conversation was ever about and if it turned in that direction it's because of the overdefensive Augeri fans not the Perry fans.

OK, if you say so.

[ohsherrie]

I did. I guess I am not part of "they".

And Red you are correct. Though the posts are very carefully worded to not state that "people bought concert tickets just to see Perry", that is and always is the underlying theme of these kinds of posts.

Do Not tell me what I mean by what I say. I say what I mean to say. If I wanted to say Perry was the only reason people bought tickets that's exactly what I would say and if anybody should know that it would be Joe13. That's not at all what this conversation was ever about and if it turned in that direction it's because of the overdefensive Augeri fans not the Perry fans.

OK, if you say so.

I do, so that settles that.

[texafana]

Lerxst101
Still Green
Joined: 25 May 2004
Posts: 13
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13 posts in almost 4 years? I'll wait to Andrew confirms before I jump on this bandwagon.