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Postby Rick » Sun Jan 20, 2008 12:54 pm

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Rick wrote:I did like Augeri, he gave a lot. Was good in his heyday.


Yeah, that's cause you have a sweet taste for shit. :shock: :D :P :lol:
:lol: :lol: He was a genuinely nice guy, you have to admit that.


I absolutely give him that. One thing has nothing to do with the other. I don't disparage his character one iota. In fact I think his personality is the majority reason he was hired in the first place. Neal wanted zero drama and zero ego with any new lead singer and Augeri certainly fits that bill. He worked his ass off. Great stage presence, just not a qualified vocalist and all the protooling done to his voice shows that.


Those are tough shoes to fill bro.
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Re: Caveman's Diary update (1/18)

Postby STORY_TELLER » Sun Jan 20, 2008 1:17 pm

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Rick wrote:
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Rick wrote:I did like Augeri, he gave a lot. Was good in his heyday.


Yeah, that's cause you have a sweet taste for shit. :shock: :D :P :lol:
:lol: :lol: He was a genuinely nice guy, you have to admit that.


I absolutely give him that. One thing has nothing to do with the other. I don't disparage his character one iota. In fact I think his personality is the majority reason he was hired in the first place. Neal wanted zero drama and zero ego with any new lead singer and Augeri certainly fits that bill. He worked his ass off. Great stage presence, just not a qualified vocalist and all the protooling done to his voice shows that.


Those are tough shoes to fill bro.


Absolutely, but there were more qualified candidates on hand. Neal picked the worst from what was available to him. Lets put it this way: When your drummer has a better voice than your frontman, something's wrong.
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Postby donnaplease » Sun Jan 20, 2008 1:22 pm

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yulog wrote:Why would journey leak any songs to this group ,all they have done is bitch, whine and moan about everything they have done for the last year


This is the part where; this band is damn'ed in they do and damn'ed if they don't. Someone is going to find a quote "where they lied to us" even if it is someone talking off the cuff about what they would like. I wouldn't expect them to release any songs to a group in the attack mode.


I guess they should stop lying to people then, huh? They're damned if they do and damned if they don't because they no longer have any credibility. They have proven that they have no professional ethics by not only defrauding the public, but then allowing ONE man to take the fall for the actions of at least 5. They have proven that they have no morals by treating their "brothers" as if they were dogshit on the bottom of their shoes.

Jon Cain is a pitiful excuse for a human being, and Neal Schon is so far removed from a MAN that he doesn't deserve a Y chromosome. He is apparently unable to sustain a relationship with anyone, and therefore needs to stay on the road to be fulfilled. What a sorry existence... :roll:
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Postby LazzMan » Sun Jan 20, 2008 1:34 pm

"Jon Cain is a pitiful excuse for a human being, and Neal Schon is so far removed from a MAN that he doesn't deserve a Y chromosome. He is apparently unable to sustain a relationship with anyone, and therefore needs to stay on the road to be fulfilled. What a sorry existence... :roll:"

That's what happens with huge egos, low I.Q.'s, and no moral discipline.
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Postby Rick » Sun Jan 20, 2008 1:42 pm

LazzMan wrote:"Jon Cain is a pitiful excuse for a human being, and Neal Schon is so far removed from a MAN that he doesn't deserve a Y chromosome. He is apparently unable to sustain a relationship with anyone, and therefore needs to stay on the road to be fulfilled. What a sorry existence... :roll:"

That's what happens with huge egos, low I.Q.'s, and no moral discipline.
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Postby Shadowsong » Sun Jan 20, 2008 3:23 pm

For some the relationship with music
is all that there is.
Nothing else to live for
All else is just a stanza
Life is just another day
to find a place to play.

8)
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Postby Rockindeano » Sun Jan 20, 2008 3:27 pm

Agree on Cain being a walking piece of cum, but I wouldn't mind having Neal's life. He is into new clam daily. He is a rockstar.

People, bash Neal all you want, but do remember he has a kid who reads this. Not saying or advocating limits on free speach, but Miles reads MR. I met the kid and he is a great great kid wand tremendous player. Something in me still likes Neal. He is cool as shit as long as he is on your team. Cain can just go lay down on the Cable Car tracks in Frisco.
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Postby Uno_up » Sun Jan 20, 2008 3:28 pm

Shadowsong wrote:For some the relationship with music
is all that there is.
Nothing else to live for
All else is just a stanza
Life is just another day
to find a place to play.

8)

Pass the bong to me please!
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Postby Rockindeano » Sun Jan 20, 2008 3:29 pm

Yeah Shadow is kind of fucked up, but rather cool.

A poor women's Jewel if you will.
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Postby Uno_up » Sun Jan 20, 2008 3:32 pm

Rockindeano wrote:Yeah Shadow is kind of fucked up, but rather cool.

A poor women's Jewel if you will.

Agreed!...I love shadow!
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Postby Rockindeano » Sun Jan 20, 2008 3:33 pm

I am happy LA won't be in the playoofs. They OWN Vancouver.

Fuckin Blake sliding into the crease like he is playing baseball. Kesler could have buried that fucker.
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Postby Uno_up » Sun Jan 20, 2008 3:38 pm

Rockindeano wrote:I am happy LA won't be in the playoofs. They OWN Vancouver.

Fuckin Blake sliding into the crease like he is playing baseball. Kesler could have buried that fucker.

Blake is done. He was just a name draw to the rink this year...kinda like the Galaxy signing Beckham. Stupid signing.
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Postby Shadowsong » Sun Jan 20, 2008 3:50 pm

Uno_up wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:Yeah Shadow is kind of fucked up, but rather cool.

A poor women's Jewel if you will.

Agreed!...I love shadow!


Thanks, I think...therefore I am shadow.

No drugs for me please!
Beer or wine not included...

:lol:
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Postby larryfromnextdoor » Sun Jan 20, 2008 6:29 pm

Shadowsong wrote:Thanks, I think...therefore I am shadow.

No drugs for me please!
Beer or wine not included...

:lol:


you look like a Vanesa ... maybe Veronica..
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Postby Shadowsong » Sun Jan 20, 2008 6:47 pm

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Shadowsong wrote:Thanks, I think...therefore I am shadow.

No drugs for me please!
Beer or wine not included...

:lol:


you look like a Vanesa ... maybe Veronica..


My name is Christine..no secret
but I have been a Shadow so long
it seems to fit me...

:lol:

I like your names
sort of exotic

Hey, I could be a Christina...

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Postby larryfromnextdoor » Sun Jan 20, 2008 7:03 pm

Shadowsong wrote:Thanks, I think...therefore I am shadow.

My name is Christine




i knew that ,, but totally slipped my mind.. i had always remembered your name because of
stephen king's Christine,, and your pleasure for cool cars.. :wink:
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Postby Shadowsong » Sun Jan 20, 2008 8:02 pm

larryfromnextdoor wrote:
Shadowsong wrote:Thanks, I think...therefore I am shadow.

My name is Christine




i knew that ,, but totally slipped my mind.. i had always remembered your name because of
stephen king's Christine,, and your pleasure for cool cars.. :wink:


That's sort of true
I am a bit possessed by my cars...

19 yrs w the trans am
Now the euro benz
that is a real car
It doesn't have to scream It's coming
but you know it when it passes you by...

:shock:

:lol:
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Re: Caveman's Diary update (1/18)

Postby Red13JoePa » Mon Jan 21, 2008 1:00 am

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Red13JoePa wrote:Yea, but fans who didn't know how to keep their big yaps shut, though.

THAT'S why what happened happened.

That's why we here are persona non grata to Journey again.


:!: I'm glad tapegate was exposed. Not only should nobody be allowed to get away with that shit, but it was the catalyst to finally boot Augeri. Worst singer choice since Robert Fleischman. If the band is to continue without Perry, their music needs a soulful sophisticated crooner on their material, not just a belter with simple vocal chords. Their getting caught was a blessing in disguise for them.

Of course, time will tell if Augeri's replacement is a better choice. On paper, he appears so, but the proof is in the new material, so bring it on.



Blowhard, I'm not talking about tapegate.

Dean and TNC were on that BEFORE Deano became close w/ JSS.

It's after, when JSS(/the band) were cool to fans and fans didn't know how to handle it without rubbing other peoples' noses in it.
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"Let's reform this thing.Let's go out and get some guys who want to work and go do it"--Neal Schon February, 2001
"I looked at Neal, and I just saw a guy who really wants his band back"-JCain 2/01
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Postby chf34jmac » Mon Jan 21, 2008 1:13 am

Story Teller - Lay off of SA.

To my knowledge you are not now nor have you EVER been in line for the lead singer position in Journey. That must mean your voice sucks worse than you claim SA's does by your logic, correct. Yes towards the end it was apparent that Steve had some problems but without him you'd still be on this board lamenting the fact that there has been NO Journey since 1996. The guy was hired to keep the band going. He did just that despite a fanbase that held him up to an almost impossible measuring stick in Perry. SA did a great job with the music. He struggled with some of it just as JSS did and I'm betting AP is gonna struggle with some of it. Those songs were designed around SP's voice and since noone else has SP's voice it stands as fact that noone else will EVER make them sound exactly the same way.
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Postby 4ever4Steve » Mon Jan 21, 2008 2:33 am

Great Post! Bravo! :D
As a Perry-lover, I understood the situation, and I embraced SA with Open Arms..because, without his fine contributions and hard work for eight years, there WOULD NOT be a Journey today. SA was very good and I will always thank him ( as I do, SP) for keeping the music going. No two singers are exactly the same..but SA brought enough to the table, that few left "hungry" after hearing him w/Journey.
He brought the music back to me. 8)
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Postby mistiejourney » Mon Jan 21, 2008 4:33 am

donnaplease wrote:
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yulog wrote:Why would journey leak any songs to this group ,all they have done is bitch, whine and moan about everything they have done for the last year


This is the part where; this band is damn'ed in they do and damn'ed if they don't. Someone is going to find a quote "where they lied to us" even if it is someone talking off the cuff about what they would like. I wouldn't expect them to release any songs to a group in the attack mode.


I guess they should stop lying to people then, huh? They're damned if they do and damned if they don't because they no longer have any credibility. They have proven that they have no professional ethics by not only defrauding the public, but then allowing ONE man to take the fall for the actions of at least 5. They have proven that they have no morals by treating their "brothers" as if they were dogshit on the bottom of their shoes.

Jon Cain is a pitiful excuse for a human being, and Neal Schon is so far removed from a MAN that he doesn't deserve a Y chromosome. He is apparently unable to sustain a relationship with anyone, and therefore needs to stay on the road to be fulfilled. What a sorry existence... :roll:


Whoa! Can I add a BIG AMEN to that? Well said.
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Postby mistiejourney » Mon Jan 21, 2008 4:35 am

Rockindeano wrote:Agree on Cain being a walking piece of cum, but I wouldn't mind having Neal's life. He is into new clam daily. He is a rockstar.

People, bash Neal all you want, but do remember he has a kid who reads this. Not saying or advocating limits on free speach, but Miles reads MR. I met the kid and he is a great great kid wand tremendous player. Something in me still likes Neal. He is cool as shit as long as he is on your team. Cain can just go lay down on the Cable Car tracks in Frisco.


Miles was absolutely amazing when I saw him on the Generations tour. Neal was very proud of him, you can tell - and Miles definitely inherited the music gene from Dad!!! Good looking, too! :)
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Postby mistiejourney » Mon Jan 21, 2008 4:45 am

chf34jmac wrote:Story Teller - Lay off of SA.

To my knowledge you are not now nor have you EVER been in line for the lead singer position in Journey. That must mean your voice sucks worse than you claim SA's does by your logic, correct. Yes towards the end it was apparent that Steve had some problems but without him you'd still be on this board lamenting the fact that there has been NO Journey since 1996. The guy was hired to keep the band going. He did just that despite a fanbase that held him up to an almost impossible measuring stick in Perry. SA did a great job with the music. He struggled with some of it just as JSS did and I'm betting AP is gonna struggle with some of it. Those songs were designed around SP's voice and since noone else has SP's voice it stands as fact that noone else will EVER make them sound exactly the same way.


I enjoyed Steve A.'s voice for what it was - his voice, not Perry's or anyone else's. And I swear when I listen to "Kiss Me Softly" off of Arrival I can hear him being himself and not Perryish. The bottom line is he took that job with Journey and stepped into those shoes - at the time it took huge cahones to do that. It took some time, but I came to respect that.

SA toured for eight solid years without having to "get off the merry-go-round" or getting "crispy around the edges". It's his voice that gave out, not the man.
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Re: Caveman's Diary update (1/18)

Postby STORY_TELLER » Mon Jan 21, 2008 5:49 am

Red13JoePa wrote:Blowhard, I'm not talking about tapegate.

Dean and TNC were on that BEFORE Deano became close w/ JSS.

It's after, when JSS(/the band) were cool to fans and fans didn't know how to handle it without rubbing other peoples' noses in it.


Dear tasteless motherfucker :lol:

If your original post was more clear, I would have known that and not brought up tapegate.

You said it was about fans "who didn't know how to keep their big yaps shut and that's why what happened happened". That to me sounds like someone spilled beans about some subterfuge on the band's part that put them in hot water with the fans. Not something the band did out in the open, like dumping a favored lead singer, which pissed off a majority of their fan base.

Obviously, I misunderstood your post thinking it was about tapegate. Be more clear next time and we won't have that problem. 8)
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Postby STORY_TELLER » Mon Jan 21, 2008 6:44 am

chf34jmac wrote:Story Teller - Lay off of SA.

To my knowledge you are not now nor have you EVER been in line for the lead singer position in Journey. That must mean your voice sucks worse than you claim SA's does by your logic, correct.


At what point did I ever say "I should be lead singer in Journey"? This isn't about me as a better choice, so don't bring up the price of tea in china when I'm saying the sky is blue.

Yes towards the end it was apparent that Steve had some problems but without him you'd still be on this board lamenting the fact that there has been NO Journey since 1996.


Umm no. Wrong again. You really should sober up before you post. It will help you with your erroneous conclusions. I said Neal had more qualified singers to choose from at the time of auditions. John West is 10 times the vocalist Steve Augeri ever was even at his peak. Neal himself said West sounded more like Perry than Augeri. West was quoted as commenting on how Augeri lost his voice DURING THE AUDITION ITSELF. So what in the world are you talking about here? Journey would have continued with a different vocalist, regardless. I maintain they picked the worst of the talent pool they had to choose from and I stand by that.

The guy was hired to keep the band going. He did just that despite a fanbase that held him up to an almost impossible measuring stick in Perry.


I never denied how hard he worked and I always say kudos to him for putting up with what he had to deal with. Never said he wasn't a nice guy, never said he didn't have huge shoes to fill. This isn't personal so don't make it personal. Facts are facts and they are usually cold. He wasn't qualified to be lead singer in Journey and as a fan of the music from the band named Journey I have the right to voice my opinion just as you have the right to voice yours. But if you're going to slam me for my opinion, at least make sense when you bring up your reasons.

SA did a great job with the music.


You forgot to add: "In my opinion".

I saw Journey twice with Augeri. Once when he first joined the band and the other on the Generations tour. Both times I was disappointed. He was pitchy as hell. When he performed higher place live for that morning news program (which used to be posted on youtube), he was off pitch more than he was on. That song wasn't a Perry song, it was his. This is why Neal himself referred to him (clandestinely) as a "protools" singer. Sorry I have such high standards as to expect a lead singer to be able to sing in tune. :roll:

He struggled with some of it just as JSS did and I'm betting AP is gonna struggle with some of it. Those songs were designed around SP's voice and since noone else has SP's voice it stands as fact that noone else will EVER make them sound exactly the same way.


Absolutely and I'm not contradicting that. No one can match Perry. He was the best of the best. He's the standard everyone strives to be on these songs. However, there are those out there, that while they're not as good as Perry, they're a far cry better than Augeri. From what I've heard of Arnel, I think he's a better choice. He's not Perry, but he's not Augeri either. 8)
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Postby RisingForce73 » Mon Jan 21, 2008 6:59 am

chf34jmac wrote:Story Teller - Lay off of SA.

To my knowledge you are not now nor have you EVER been in line for the lead singer position in Journey. That must mean your voice sucks worse than you claim SA's does by your logic, correct. Yes towards the end it was apparent that Steve had some problems but without him you'd still be on this board lamenting the fact that there has been NO Journey since 1996. The guy was hired to keep the band going. He did just that despite a fanbase that held him up to an almost impossible measuring stick in Perry. SA did a great job with the music. He struggled with some of it just as JSS did and I'm betting AP is gonna struggle with some of it. Those songs were designed around SP's voice and since noone else has SP's voice it stands as fact that noone else will EVER make them sound exactly the same way.


I couldn't have stated it any better, Chief.

Well played.
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Postby chf34jmac » Mon Jan 21, 2008 7:11 am

Story Teller,

Good opinions and a good argument, however,

1. Neal chose Augeri over those others. This in itself lends credence to him being a lot better than your assertion. Neal calling him a "protools" singer holds as much water to me as the last THREE singer announcements where in all THREE Neal has referred to the new singer as "The Real Deal". Either they are or they aren't. You also need to place the IMO notes on your posts.

2. I find it absolutely hypocritical for you to post about SA being a class guy when earlier in the thread you called him a piece of shit. So please don't try and play both sides of the fence. It is fine if you didn't like the guy but why still try and mash him into the ground two years after he's left the band. You got what you obviously wanted. No SA in Journey so move on.
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Postby MrsPerry » Mon Jan 21, 2008 7:13 am

newbie here still, so you can throw rocks, but can I get the Cliff's notes version of "Tapegate" ? you have my curiosity. :)
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Postby chf34jmac » Mon Jan 21, 2008 7:17 am

Not gonna reopen that can - cliff notes. Augeri and the band got snagged using tapes of SA singing in concerts. Augeri gets tossed under the bus by the rest of the band who claim they knew nothing about the tapes. That sums it up I believe.
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Postby MrsPerry » Mon Jan 21, 2008 7:19 am

Good nuff for this lil girl. thank you for the Cliff's Version 8)
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