Heart's setlist missing too much to close

[The Sushi Hunter]

I would stick to the Bad Animals cd and the self titled '86 cd. What monster hits those 2 produced.

Heart (85), Bad Animals (87) and Brigade (90) - 3 of th best female fronted rock CDs ever.

Wow Andrew! You said exactly what's on my mind! Those three albums ROCKED! Desire Walks On (1993) wasn't bad either.

Here is my ideal Heart set list:

Crazy on You
If Looks Could Kill
There's the Girl
Allies
Never
These Dreams
What About Love
Wild Child
The Wolf
Black on Black II
Desire Walks On
Secrets
Who Will You Run To
Alone
All I Wanna Do Is Make Love to You
Tall, Dark Handsome Stranger
Barracuda
Magic Man
Will You Be There (In the Morning)

This will never happen, but I can dream!

I'm sure they haven't played a anything like this since the Brigade tour. Unfortunately I missed out on that one - wasn't around at the time.

And those are the only three albums I got of Heart. The Night is one killer tune in my opinion.

[X factor]

Why are they doing covers?

Why does Bon Jovi do 3 - 5 covers? Cause they are bored of their own material! And if that's the case...pack it in already

The second time I saw Bon Jovi in 85 they covered WALK AWAY RENEE. They've always mixed in a few...I didn't realize they were doing as many as 5 though. That's a bit much...

[Angiekay]

Why are they doing covers?

Why does Bon Jovi do 3 - 5 covers? Cause they are bored of their own material! And if that's the case...pack it in already

Tom Petty is doing a couple too, including an actually awesome version of Fleetwood Mac's "Oh, Well".

[Wally_Hatchet]

They should drop the overplayed Zepp covers and add:

Nothing At All
Who Will You Run To
How Can I Refuse
All I Wanna Do
Never

[johnroxx]

Why are they doing covers?

Why does Bon Jovi do 3 - 5 covers? Cause they are bored of their own material! And if that's the case...pack it in already

Heart has ALWAYS covered Zep songs, because it's possibly THE band that influenced Anne and Nancy more than any other. Paying tribute, pure and simple. Common knowledge.

Besides, they rock the Zep tunes...ferociously.

And they remain one of the quality live acts from the classic melodic rock era still out there playing...I see 'em every time they play in SoCal, which is pretty much every tour.

Pretty damned sad to see people slagging them off, IMHO...but, to each his own, as they say.

;^)

[YankeeRose]

I saw Heart live last summer. It was a great show, I loved their covers of Zeppelin and The Who's Love Reign O'er Me. But I also wish they had more of their 80's and early 90's hits. I like them better than their 70's hits.

[The Fly]

I saw them last summer and they were fantastic! But I truly did miss those songs from the three CD's in the 80's. I agree with Andrew. Song for song they are my favorite Heart albums, sold out or not!! I'd love to hear them play the Sammy Hagar, Jesse Harms, Denny Carmassi song "Fallen From Grace" off of Brigade!! I like the early stuff too but there's a reason the 80's stuff sold more! The Zep and Who was amazing! They do them more than justice.

[Angiekay]

Pretty damned sad to see people slagging them off, IMHO...but, to each his own, as they say.

;^)

I agree. Ann and Nancy are icons. They were trendsetters in the 70's and in a rock world that is still mostly dominated by males, they have gone the distance and continue to grow and expand their musical horizons. To have the stamina and most importantly the voices after over thirty years, they can do and play whatever the hell they want.

[Johnny Mohawk]

I like Heart's current setlist and though I enjoy their entire catalog, I much prefer their earlier 70's/early 80's stuff to the mid to late 80's material.
Again, the record label forced them to record certain songs by outside songwriters during that time. They didn't like it then, and choose to perform more of their own penned material now.

For those of you complaining about them doing covers, keep in mind, some of those songs by other writers that they were "forced" to record are probably like cover songs to them. So if they're gonna perform someone else's material, they choose it to be from their influences and people they admire (Zeppelin, Elton John, etc.).

[stevew2]

I like Heart's current setlist and though I enjoy their entire catalog, I much prefer their earlier 70's/early 80's stuff to the mid to late 80's material.
Again, the record label forced them to record certain songs by outside songwriters during that time. They didn't like it then, and choose to perform more of their own penned material now.

For those of you complaining about them doing covers, keep in mind, some of those songs by other writers that they were "forced" to record are probably like cover songs to them. So if they're gonna perform someone else's material, they choose it to be from their influences and people they admire (Zeppelin, Elton John, etc.).

I agree, great username, youfuckin made me laugh,you better sport a mohawk, i want picls from you

[WalrusOct9]

I haven't liked Heart's set list for the last 5 years. They have completely abandoned everything that made them great to concentrate on the early material and Led bloody Zeppelin covers.

Yep, i totally agree.

OK, so the early material is considered more hip these days, but to just simply ignore their 3 biggest selling records is just ludicrous. Why they can't mix it up a little is a mystery to me, would probably shift a few more tickets too.

I don't think they're ignoring those records as much as they don't feel any connection to them since most of that stuff wasn't written by the band.

And um...Andrew, you're fucking awesome dude, but isn't their early stuff what made them great? "Alone" and all those mid-80's tunes were okay for what they were, but they could've been recorded and released by anyone since they just came from generic professional 80's songwriters. Sure, Ann sang the shit out of them but they weren't really Heart. No different than Cheap Trick's "The Flame" or Aerosmith's "Don't Wanna Miss A Thing." Successful, but not really having much to do with the bands who recorded them.

[Andrew]

Pretty damned sad to see people slagging them off, IMHO...but, to each his own, as they say.

;^)

I agree. Ann and Nancy are icons. They were trendsetters in the 70's and in a rock world that is still mostly dominated by males, they have gone the distance and continue to grow and expand their musical horizons. To have the stamina and most importantly the voices after over thirty years, they can do and play whatever the hell they want.

No one especially myelf is taking their well deserved status away from them, but seriously....I have had e-mail complaints for several years over their set list choices and their fan forum is much the same. They have abandoned a HUGE part of their career.

It would be like Journey dropping EVERYTHING from the Escape and Frontiers albums!! There would be MUTINY if that happened!!!!

[Andrew]

I haven't liked Heart's set list for the last 5 years. They have completely abandoned everything that made them great to concentrate on the early material and Led bloody Zeppelin covers.

Yep, i totally agree.

OK, so the early material is considered more hip these days, but to just simply ignore their 3 biggest selling records is just ludicrous. Why they can't mix it up a little is a mystery to me, would probably shift a few more tickets too.

I don't think they're ignoring those records as much as they don't feel any connection to them since most of that stuff wasn't written by the band.

And um...Andrew, you're fucking awesome dude, but isn't their early stuff what made them great? "Alone" and all those mid-80's tunes were okay for what they were, but they could've been recorded and released by anyone since they just came from generic professional 80's songwriters. Sure, Ann sang the shit out of them but they weren't really Heart. No different than Cheap Trick's "The Flame" or Aerosmith's "Don't Wanna Miss A Thing." Successful, but not really having much to do with the bands who recorded them.

Cheap Trick and Aerosmtih continue to play a selection of ALL their hits live - including these two. That is my point.

[FinnFreak]

PS. As much as I love Heart - All I Wanna Do is one of the worst songs in recorded music history.

AMEN!! Mick Jones worst song EVER!!!

Actually, Mutt Lange is the one to blame for All I Wanna Do Is Make Love To You.

He also wrote Wild Child (Brigade) and Will You Be There (In The Morning) (Desire Walks On)


John -

[roycap]

You claim Heart has no connection to their 80's hits since they did not write most of the material. Did I miss somehting? When did they sit down and write these Led Zep hits that they cover?

Fallen from Grace - unbelievable chorus and song I would love to hear live.

[Saint John]

I'm reading over on the Journey board that Heart doesn't even play "Never" "What About Love" or "Nothing At All." makes me not even want to see them. That is so disheartening. I guess my night will go as follows. Hold on tightly to my vomit bag while Cheap Trick plays, be disappointed that Heart won't be playing many of the songs that I really like, and then wait for Journey and hope I really dig the new incarnation to justify the high ticket price.

[Andrew]

Fallen from Grace - unbelievable chorus and song I would love to hear live.

Jesse Harms & Sammy Hagar tune....KILLER! I have a demo of that with Hagar on vocals....brilliant.

[sniper16]

i saw them over the summer, it rained ,delayed the start, they played 12 songs 5 of which were covers.
dont they know who they are.
ps all i wanna do is schlock.

[Eric]

Why are they doing covers?

Pretty damned sad to see people slagging them off, IMHO...but, to each his own, as they say.;^)

I'm more just explaining why they won't be closing. 75% of the attendance will be casual fans thinking about all of hits they're gonna hear. If Heart were to come out with that setlist after Journey....it just wouldn't work.

[marco17]

I wouldn't be surprised if they changed the set list up for a summer package tour. If they play all the old stuff and nothing anyone recognizes, they'll get booed out of the place by the casual fan. If they are doing their own tour then I see no issue with them choosing to play those songs, because they are probably catering to their diehard base. But a lot of these big summer package tours are about playing the greatest hits and people wanting to bring back the memories. Hey look at it this way... if they don't play the songs people want to hear, the fans will be too annoyed with them to notice that they are watching Journey with their latest "Singer de Jour."

[Johnny Mohawk]

Funny how everyone complains that Journey's setlist is all about the "dirty dozen", yet still have a problem with Heart for not doing the same thing.

[NealIsGod]

Funny how everyone complains that Journey's setlist is all about the "dirty dozen", yet still have a problem with Heart for not doing the same thing.

Yup. Casual fans have a different outlook, don't they?

[Johnny Mohawk]

NIG wrote;
Yup. Casual fans have a different outlook, don't they?

Exactly!

[journey062393]

Just about every hardcore Journey fan loved the 30th Anniversary tour because we got to hear some of those rare early songs that we NEVER hear live, and may never hear again. But could you imagine if during that tour, they didnt play any of their hits from the 80's? Or maybe just played DSB, and that's it? I understand it if they wish that they had written their own songs during this era, but like it or not, these were your greatest hits. Its what made you what you are today. A lot of bands or popular singers from the 80's had a hit because someone else wrote the song for them. There is no shame to that. You are still the band that went out and recorded that song, and hopefully performed that song as well. When I think of Heart I think "Longevity". A band that was able to stand the test of time. Not many bands that had hits in the 70's were also able to continue well into the 80's producing popular songs and even in this case into the very early 90's. So why would you choose to ignore that? But I guess they can do what they want, as long as people are still buying concert tickets. Of course I think if they adverstised their setlist, the casual fan would choose to stay home.

[mistiejourney]

Pretty damned sad to see people slagging them off, IMHO...but, to each his own, as they say.

;^)

I agree. Ann and Nancy are icons. They were trendsetters in the 70's and in a rock world that is still mostly dominated by males, they have gone the distance and continue to grow and expand their musical horizons. To have the stamina and most importantly the voices after over thirty years, they can do and play whatever the hell they want.

Have you noticed that women don't seem to have the issue with their voices that men do. Ann Wilson has been singing and touring for what, thirty years? And she doesn't sound raspy or lower. Must be a guy thing, because Heart's catalog is not a piece of cake...

[Angiekay]

Funny how everyone complains that Journey's setlist is all about the "dirty dozen", yet still have a problem with Heart for not doing the same thing.

Yup. Casual fans have a different outlook, don't they?

No kidding. How many times have you heard people on this board bitch about bands not doing deeper into their catalouge and just playing the "big" hits. Heart has gotten past that putting in songs like Dreamboat Annie and Bebe Le Strange. If I never heard any song from their 1985 self titled in concert I'd be perferctly fine with that. They can stay in their 70's catalouge for the whole show as far as I'm concerned. Just can't please the chronically discontent.

[The Sushi Hunter]

They should drop the overplayed Zepp covers and add:

Nothing At All
Who Will You Run To
How Can I Refuse
All I Wanna Do
Never

They did a great version of "Without You" on an earlier album. When I was in the band in the Philippines back in the mid-90's, we would do Heart's version of it. So I would like to add to their set list "Without You." I think that would be great if they could do that song at the concert.

Now about the length of their set, 23 some odd tunes, that's not enough as the headliner?

[brywool]

I haven't liked Heart's set list for the last 5 years. They have completely abandoned everything that made them great to concentrate on the early material and Led bloody Zeppelin covers.

That's because the Captiol years ("Heart", "Bad Animals", "Brigade", etc.) are NOT who Heart is.

Sure it was.... they stepped away from their early sound, but who hasn't - JOURNEY??? - and they have been less commercial in recent years, but they also sold a shitload of records during the 80s/90s.

Even on Passionworks (CBS 82) they were becoming more commercial.

But Heart has always regretting putting themselves under for more hits. They always have. Passionworks was their first attempt at their 'new' sound (Private Audition being the last 'old Heart' album). While Passionworks had some good songs on it (great song Aliies by (GASP!) Jon Cain), the album sold dismally for them. I blame the SHITTY electronic drums they used. BLECH. Anyway, once Heart was put into girdles and boustees (crap, how do you spell that?), the lost who the really were. Any interview with them mentions that. That's probably the reason the Love Mongers are around, so that they could do what they want.

[brywool]

PS. As much as I love Heart - All I Wanna Do is one of the worst songs in recorded music history.

Hey they play that on the radio all the time.....so it must be good....right??

They Play "Oh Mickey Your So Fine" a lot too. Does that mean it's good?

[Eric]

Funny how everyone complains that Journey's setlist is all about the "dirty dozen", yet still have a problem with Heart for not doing the same thing.

Its a good point, however, Heart is a case they are playing about half of their hits and filling the rest of the set with covers. We want more JOURNEY music....and we understand that on a bill like this you gotta have the hits. The hits are more fun in a setup like the 2003 Main Event tour, or the Def Leppard tour.