Will Perry see Arnel as a threat to his legacy ?

[Tomulator]

My honest take here...

I think SP is jealous as anything that AP is out there singing the songs he wishes he could still sing.

I liken AP's voice to SP's back in the ROR tour days...approaching that much range and power, albeit without the tasteful delivery that Perry had.

I think all this is tearing SP's heart out quite frankly.

Now, I need to clear one other thing up. I HATE what the band is doing with AP! I think it is a clear attempt to reclaim commercial success by blatantly COPYING Steve Perry's vocal tone, style, and delivery. Anybody who says differently is flat out wrong, IMO. The band is cheapening their legendary status in the history books by continuing this "charade" they are still calling "Journey".

It's sad really because there are plenty of other musical avenues each of them (collectively or apart) could take to satisfy their musical "jones" and make a few bucks along the way.

No need to "tarnish" Journey's LEGACY (yes...I said LEGACY).

[ohsherrie]

Now, I need to clear one other thing up. I HATE what the band is doing with AP! I think it is a clear attempt to reclaim commercial success by blatantly COPYING Steve Perry's vocal tone, style, and delivery. Anybody who says differently is flat out wrong, IMO. The band is cheapening their legendary status in the history books by continuing this "charade" they are still calling "Journey".

It's sad really because there are plenty of other musical avenues each of them (collectively or apart) could take to satisfy their musical "jones" and make a few bucks along the way.

No need to "tarnish" Journey's LEGACY (yes...I said LEGACY).

Bravo!!

[ScarabGator]

.Journey are/will be getting more media publicity now than they ever got with Augeri and JSS.

Um, no. They got quite a bit of pub with Augeri for a second time thru band, and JSS was getting monstrous reviews.

What I mean is that Arnel is a great story and lots of media outlets will be jumping all over this. It will be more about him than the band but any publicity is good publicity.

[styxman]

Now, I need to clear one other thing up. I HATE what the band is doing with AP! I think it is a clear attempt to reclaim commercial success by blatantly COPYING Steve Perry's vocal tone, style, and delivery. Anybody who says differently is flat out wrong, IMO. The band is cheapening their legendary status in the history books by continuing this "charade" they are still calling "Journey".

It's sad really because there are plenty of other musical avenues each of them (collectively or apart) could take to satisfy their musical "jones" and make a few bucks along the way.

No need to "tarnish" Journey's LEGACY (yes...I said LEGACY).

Bravo!!

Reassuring to know that there's still a few of us not jumping on the bandwagon, if you can call it a bandwagon, that is.

[styxman]

.Journey are/will be getting more media publicity now than they ever got with Augeri and JSS.

Um, no. They got quite a bit of pub with Augeri for a second time thru band, and JSS was getting monstrous reviews.

What I mean is that Arnel is a great story and lots of media outlets will be jumping all over this. It will be more about him than the band but any publicity is good publicity.

A singer on youtube makes it to front Journey...that's what the GQ article will be about, these people don't give a fuck about the band, it's a different angle they're looking for. Would a magazine like GQ really run a story about Journey if Arnel wasn't in the equation....absoloutely not. It's a fuckin' joke and most are getting dragged in by it. Wake the fuck up.

[Red13JoePa]

Reassuring to know that there's still a few of us not jumping on the bandwagon, if you can call it a bandwagon, that is.

The usual suspects aren't jumping on the bandwagon but sure as hell follow and dissect every move the band makes.

[Carlitto H@kk]

.Journey are/will be getting more media publicity now than they ever got with Augeri and JSS.

Um, no. They got quite a bit of pub with Augeri for a second time thru band, and JSS was getting monstrous reviews.

What I mean is that Arnel is a great story and lots of media outlets will be jumping all over this. It will be more about him than the band but any publicity is good publicity.

A singer on youtube makes it to front Journey...that's what the GQ article will be about, these people don't give a fuck about the band, it's a different angle they're looking for. Would a magazine like GQ really run a story about Journey if Arnel wasn't in the equation....absoloutely not. It's a fuckin' joke and most are getting dragged in by it. Wake the fuck up.

Yea, but just think of the possibilities this kind of press will open up...
There could be a movie, a sequel to "Rockstar"!
Yea, "Rockstar II: Don't Stop Believing!"

[Rockindeano]

Let's breakdown this post shall we?

My honest take here...

I think SP is jealous as anything that AP is out there singing the songs he wishes he could still sing.

You "think?" You couldn't me more wrong. SP isn't jealous of anyone. He went out on top, and I respect that. SP can still sing dude. That isn't BS.

I think all this is tearing SP's heart out quite frankly.

Wrong again.

Now, I need to clear one other thing up. I HATE what the band is doing with AP! I think it is a clear attempt to reclaim commercial success by blatantly COPYING Steve Perry's vocal tone, style, and delivery. Anybody who says differently is flat out wrong, IMO. The band is cheapening their legendary status in the history books by continuing this "charade" they are still calling "Journey".

You may not like it, but guess what, the name is Neal's and Jon's to use and they would be stupid not to. Arnel is not copying anything. Did you see Perry live? No one can copy him. Arnel is living his dream, and frankly who the Hell wouldn't? Your comment about AP copying Perry is amusing. You are the one who is flatout wrong here.

I do agree that the legacy is being cheapened, but that has been in progress for 7 years now. However, they have a right to go out and earn money with the name Journey.

It's sad really because there are plenty of other musical avenues each of them (collectively or apart) could take to satisfy their musical "jones" and make a few bucks along the way.

No, it's not sad, your opinion is just fucked up. Why would Neal and Friga bump around towns playing clubs as the Puff n Stuffs when they can book ampitheaters for a couple thousand folks as Journey? Don't tell me you would do the former out of principle either.


At least you got that fuckin Sherrie to go through the tedious trouble of replying with a well thought out emoticon. She is lost as HOTS in a health club, stevew in a dictionary or PROPERRY in Augeriville.

[styxman]

Let's breakdown this post shall we?

My honest take here...

I think SP is jealous as anything that AP is out there singing the songs he wishes he could still sing.

You "think?" You couldn't me more wrong. SP isn't jealous of anyone. He went out on top, and I respect that. SP can still sing dude. That isn't BS.

I think all this is tearing SP's heart out quite frankly.

Wrong again.

Now, I need to clear one other thing up. I HATE what the band is doing with AP! I think it is a clear attempt to reclaim commercial success by blatantly COPYING Steve Perry's vocal tone, style, and delivery. Anybody who says differently is flat out wrong, IMO. The band is cheapening their legendary status in the history books by continuing this "charade" they are still calling "Journey".

You may not like it, but guess what, the name is Neal's and Jon's to use and they would be stupid not to. Arnel is not copying anything. Did you see Perry live? No one can copy him. Arnel is living his dream, and frankly who the Hell wouldn't? Your comment about AP copying Perry is amusing. You are the one who is flatout wrong here.

I do agree that the legacy is being cheapened, but that has been in progress for 7 years now. However, they have a right to go out and earn money with the name Journey.

It's sad really because there are plenty of other musical avenues each of them (collectively or apart) could take to satisfy their musical "jones" and make a few bucks along the way.

No, it's not sad, your opinion is just fucked up. Why would Neal and Friga bump around towns playing clubs as the Puff n Stuffs when they can book ampitheaters for a couple thousand folks? Don't tell me you would do the latter out of principle either.


At least you got that fuckin Sherrie to go through the tedious trouble of replying with a well thought out emoticon. She is lost as HOTS in a health club.

Much as I hate to admit it, Deyoung proved that life as a solo artist can be pretty fuckin' good.

[Rockindeano]

Dennis is great. However, Perry and Dennis are built very differently.

[styxman]

Reassuring to know that there's still a few of us not jumping on the bandwagon, if you can call it a bandwagon, that is.

The usual suspects aren't jumping on the bandwagon but sure as hell follow and dissect every move the band makes.

A live DVD of the Vegas show, there's sure as hell gonna be some serious studio work to be done on that. They're just not thinking straight in my opinion. Things are moving way too fast.

[Tomulator]

Let's breakdown this post shall we?

My honest take here...

I think SP is jealous as anything that AP is out there singing the songs he wishes he could still sing.

You "think?" You couldn't me more wrong. SP isn't jealous of anyone. He went out on top, and I respect that. SP can still sing dude. That isn't BS.

I think all this is tearing SP's heart out quite frankly.

Wrong again.

Now, I need to clear one other thing up. I HATE what the band is doing with AP! I think it is a clear attempt to reclaim commercial success by blatantly COPYING Steve Perry's vocal tone, style, and delivery. Anybody who says differently is flat out wrong, IMO. The band is cheapening their legendary status in the history books by continuing this "charade" they are still calling "Journey".

You may not like it, but guess what, the name is Neal's and Jon's to use and they would be stupid not to. Arnel is not copying anything. Did you see Perry live? No one can copy him. Arnel is living his dream, and frankly who the Hell wouldn't? Your comment about AP copying Perry is amusing. You are the one who is flatout wrong here.

I do agree that the legacy is being cheapened, but that has been in progress for 7 years now. However, they have a right to go out and earn money with the name Journey.

It's sad really because there are plenty of other musical avenues each of them (collectively or apart) could take to satisfy their musical "jones" and make a few bucks along the way.

No, it's not sad, your opinion is just fucked up. Why would Neal and Friga bump around towns playing clubs as the Puff n Stuffs when they can book ampitheaters for a couple thousand folks? Don't tell me you would do the latter out of principle either.


At least you got that fuckin Sherrie to go through the tedious trouble of replying with a well thought out emoticon. She is lost as HOTS in a health club, stevew in a dictionary or PROPERRY in Augeriville.

Dean,

I respectfully disagree here.

If Neal and Friga are any kind of "artists", they should NOT allow MONEY to totally drive their musical direction. Why is it so necessary to "milk" this "dead cow"? They've done it ALL dude. Played every type of mondo ampitheater, concert hall, stadium, etc. They don't NEED to do anything for any other reason than for an artistic outlet. Which, by the way, is what usually leads to commercial success anyway. For the record, I have not been supportive of Neal and Friga's decision to continue on as "Journey" from day one! Very consistent here.

AP is being ...well...AP. "Journey" is COPYING STEVE PERRY.

Period.

[lights1961]

no bandwagon jumping until i hear a studio version of the new matieral. If its FANTASTIC, I will be a fan (again).
I think if I were at a concert and saw him perform, I would be won over too...as i was when i first heard JSS live backin 06...
as i was in 1999 first hearing Augeri perform.


Rick

[styxman]

Dennis is great. However, Perry and Dennis are built very differently.

Dean, I meant Neal and Friga should have continued down this route and left Journey mouthballed.

[ScarabGator]

Let's breakdown this post shall we?

My honest take here...

I think SP is jealous as anything that AP is out there singing the songs he wishes he could still sing.

You "think?" You couldn't me more wrong. SP isn't jealous of anyone. He went out on top, and I respect that. SP can still sing dude. That isn't BS.

I think all this is tearing SP's heart out quite frankly.

Wrong again.

Now, I need to clear one other thing up. I HATE what the band is doing with AP! I think it is a clear attempt to reclaim commercial success by blatantly COPYING Steve Perry's vocal tone, style, and delivery. Anybody who says differently is flat out wrong, IMO. The band is cheapening their legendary status in the history books by continuing this "charade" they are still calling "Journey".

You may not like it, but guess what, the name is Neal's and Jon's to use and they would be stupid not to. Arnel is not copying anything. Did you see Perry live? No one can copy him. Arnel is living his dream, and frankly who the Hell wouldn't? Your comment about AP copying Perry is amusing. You are the one who is flatout wrong here.

I do agree that the legacy is being cheapened, but that has been in progress for 7 years now. However, they have a right to go out and earn money with the name Journey.

It's sad really because there are plenty of other musical avenues each of them (collectively or apart) could take to satisfy their musical "jones" and make a few bucks along the way.

No, it's not sad, your opinion is just fucked up. Why would Neal and Friga bump around towns playing clubs as the Puff n Stuffs when they can book ampitheaters for a couple thousand folks? Don't tell me you would do the latter out of principle either.


At least you got that fuckin Sherrie to go through the tedious trouble of replying with a well thought out emoticon. She is lost as HOTS in a health club, stevew in a dictionary or PROPERRY in Augeriville.

Dean,

I respectfully disagree here.

If Neal and Friga are any kind of "artists", they should NOT allow MONEY to totally drive their musical direction. Why is it so necessary to "milk" this "dead cow"? They've done it ALL dude. Played every type of mondo ampitheater, concert hall, stadium, etc. They don't NEED to do anything for any other reason than for an artistic outlet. Which, by the way, is what usually leads to commercial success anyway. For the record, I have not been supportive of Neal and Friga's decision to continue on as "Journey" from day one! Very consistent here.

AP is being ...well...AP. "Journey" is COPYING STEVE PERRY.

Period.

But would SP be SP if it werent for Journey?????

[styxman]

no bandwagon jumping until i hear a studio version of the new matieral. If its FANTASTIC, I will be a fan (again).
I think if I were at a concert and saw him perform, I would be won over too...as i was when i first heard JSS live backin 06...
as i was in 1999 first hearing Augeri perform.


Rick

So reading into that then Rick, it's just a matter of time before you have Arnel's face on your 'T'

[Rockindeano]

Artistic? I agree they have obviously lost the hunger to create, however, they did do a new CD. As for performing new songs live, only a handful of artists even attempt that anymore, because everytime a band says, "here is something new" the place empties out. Besides Bruce and U2, who else plays something "new" live for the fan? Hell, Neal and Cain have been as you say, in every joint in America. Would you rather play Hollywood Bowl or Pete's burger bar? The Journey name still carries tons of weight, and yes, Perry is responsible for at least half of it. However, two things here. 1- They are entitled to use it, and 2- Perry has the option of coming back and either resurrecting it or adding to it, and sadly he chooses neither. His choice and I respect it. But I also respect the fact that no one member "owns" the name of the band.

[Rockindeano]

Dennis is great. However, Perry and Dennis are built very differently.

Dean, I meant Neal and Friga should have continued down this route and left Journey mouthballed.

No. Look, I was pissed as anyone with what went down with JSS, BUT.....

Why mothball the name? Those guys are old and would never get their name out there again without the name Journey.

Sorry, as much as they have done which I disliked, that's their name and they should use it.

[styxman]

Artistic? I agree they have obviously lost the hunger to create, however, they did do a new CD. As for performing new songs live, only a handful of artists even attempt that anymore, because everytime a band says, "here is something new" the place empties out. Besides Bruce and U2, who else plays something "new" live for the fan? Hell, Neal and Cain have been as you say, in every joint in America. Would you rather play Hollywood Bowl or Pete's burger bar? The Journey name still carries tons of weight, and yes, Perry is responsible for at least half of it. However, two things here. 1- They are entitled to use it, and 2- Perry has the option of coming back and either resurrecting it or adding to it, and sadly he chooses neither. His choice and I respect it. But I also respect the fact that no one member "owns" the name of the band.

That was going to be my next question, Could Perry shut the name down? so it's a big no then. Isn't there anything written down in a contract, that if Perry thought the name was being used in such a way as to harm the legacy he could step in and have it taken away?

[Deb]

Besides Bruce and U2, who else plays something "new" live for the fan?

Bon Jovi.

[Rockindeano]

no bandwagon jumping until i hear a studio version of the new matieral. If its FANTASTIC, I will be a fan (again).
I think if I were at a concert and saw him perform, I would be won over too...as i was when i first heard JSS live backin 06...
as i was in 1999 first hearing Augeri perform.


Rick

So reading into that then Rick, it's just a matter of time before you have Arnel's face on your 'T'

You'll never see me with a dudes face on my T shirt. Never understood those gay collage shirts they sell. I bet that fat cookie eatin motherfucker Rich Meyers has one of the Augeri led Journey. Or better yet, I bet that fag Rustygreen jeans has one of the Fro Neal gear. God, those to ass bandits are too much.

[ProgRocker53]

I wonder how many people jetted for the bathroom and/or beerstand back in 1981, 1983, 1986 when Perry would say "Now here's something off our new album!"

[Tomulator]

Artistic? I agree they have obviously lost the hunger to create, however, they did do a new CD. As for performing new songs live, only a handful of artists even attempt that anymore, because everytime a band says, "here is something new" the place empties out. Besides Bruce and U2, who else plays something "new" live for the fan? Hell, Neal and Cain have been as you say, in every joint in America. Would you rather play Hollywood Bowl or Pete's burger bar? The Journey name still carries tons of weight, and yes, Perry is responsible for at least half of it. However, two things here. 1- They are entitled to use it, and 2- Perry has the option of coming back and either resurrecting it or adding to it, and sadly he chooses neither. His choice and I respect it. But I also respect the fact that no one member "owns" the name of the band.

The bold text from your reply above Dean is the EXACT reason why I have lost respect for this band and why I feel they are making a mistake now and have been for a decade or so.

Music is (or should be) ART FIRST. Money and success should follow the creation of valuable ART.

[ProgRocker53]

Artistic? I agree they have obviously lost the hunger to create, however, they did do a new CD. As for performing new songs live, only a handful of artists even attempt that anymore, because everytime a band says, "here is something new" the place empties out. Besides Bruce and U2, who else plays something "new" live for the fan? Hell, Neal and Cain have been as you say, in every joint in America. Would you rather play Hollywood Bowl or Pete's burger bar? The Journey name still carries tons of weight, and yes, Perry is responsible for at least half of it. However, two things here. 1- They are entitled to use it, and 2- Perry has the option of coming back and either resurrecting it or adding to it, and sadly he chooses neither. His choice and I respect it. But I also respect the fact that no one member "owns" the name of the band.

The bold text from your reply above Dean is the EXACT reason why I have lost respect for this band and why I feel they are making a mistake now and have been for a decade or so.

Music is (or should be) ART FIRST. Money and success should follow the creation of valuable ART.

I'm all about the artistic direction/integrity thing too, but...

....tell that to AC/DC man.

[Rockindeano]

Music is (or should be) ART FIRST. Money and success should follow the creation of valuable ART.

Ok, I see your point here, BUT, they are gettin up there in years and frankly, they aren't that well off, so I can totally understand them cashing in now while they can.

[styxman]

no bandwagon jumping until i hear a studio version of the new matieral. If its FANTASTIC, I will be a fan (again).
I think if I were at a concert and saw him perform, I would be won over too...as i was when i first heard JSS live backin 06...
as i was in 1999 first hearing Augeri perform.


Rick

So reading into that then Rick, it's just a matter of time before you have Arnel's face on your 'T'

You'll never see me with a dudes face on my T shirt. Never understood those gay collage shirts they sell. I bet that fat cookie eatin motherfucker Rich Meyers has one of the Augeri led Journey. Or better yet, I bet that fag Rustygreen jeans has one of the Fro Neal gear. God, those to ass bandits are too much.

Fuckin' hell, I've got one with Cronin on...cool or what, that's what I think

[Rockindeano]

no bandwagon jumping until i hear a studio version of the new matieral. If its FANTASTIC, I will be a fan (again).
I think if I were at a concert and saw him perform, I would be won over too...as i was when i first heard JSS live backin 06...
as i was in 1999 first hearing Augeri perform.


Rick

So reading into that then Rick, it's just a matter of time before you have Arnel's face on your 'T'

You'll never see me with a dudes face on my T shirt. Never understood those gay collage shirts they sell. I bet that fat cookie eatin motherfucker Rich Meyers has one of the Augeri led Journey. Or better yet, I bet that fag Rustygreen jeans has one of the Fro Neal gear. God, those to ass bandits are too much.

Fuckin' hell, I've got one with Cronin on...cool or what, that's what I think

I should put up my version of Cronin doing One Lonely Night. Freaked JSS out.

[Carlitto H@kk]

Artistic? I agree they have obviously lost the hunger to create, however, they did do a new CD. As for performing new songs live, only a handful of artists even attempt that anymore, because everytime a band says, "here is something new" the place empties out. Besides Bruce and U2, who else plays something "new" live for the fan? Hell, Neal and Cain have been as you say, in every joint in America. Would you rather play Hollywood Bowl or Pete's burger bar? The Journey name still carries tons of weight, and yes, Perry is responsible for at least half of it. However, two things here. 1- They are entitled to use it, and 2- Perry has the option of coming back and either resurrecting it or adding to it, and sadly he chooses neither. His choice and I respect it. But I also respect the fact that no one member "owns" the name of the band.

The bold text from your reply above Dean is the EXACT reason why I have lost respect for this band and why I feel they are making a mistake now and have been for a decade or so.

Music is (or should be) ART FIRST. Money and success should follow the creation of valuable ART.

I guess you can look at all this as a "Retirement Plan".
These guys spent years putting "Art, Artistic Creativity and Entertainment" first,
piling up hit album after hit album. Now they are getting up there in years,
the musical landscape has changed dramatically...
Time to sit back and collect that well-earned "Retirement Check",
i.e. tour on the past glories and hits, and live a simpler, less-demanding life

[styxman]

no bandwagon jumping until i hear a studio version of the new matieral. If its FANTASTIC, I will be a fan (again).
I think if I were at a concert and saw him perform, I would be won over too...as i was when i first heard JSS live backin 06...
as i was in 1999 first hearing Augeri perform.


Rick

So reading into that then Rick, it's just a matter of time before you have Arnel's face on your 'T'

You'll never see me with a dudes face on my T shirt. Never understood those gay collage shirts they sell. I bet that fat cookie eatin motherfucker Rich Meyers has one of the Augeri led Journey. Or better yet, I bet that fag Rustygreen jeans has one of the Fro Neal gear. God, those to ass bandits are too much.

Fuckin' hell, I've got one with Cronin on...cool or what, that's what I think

I should put up my version of Cronin doing One Lonely Night. Freaked JSS out.

I want to hear that!

[Gin and Tonic Sky]

Besides Bruce and U2, who else plays something "new" live for the fan?

Bon Jovi.

& Alice Cooper who played a good portion of his Dirty Diamonds album in concert on his last tours (and everyone loved it ) .

But, I 100% agree with your wider point Deano.