Dan Clavadetscher's Review

[youkeepmewaiting]

It's quite sad, some peoples blind ignorance to how good this new Journey could be because they cant get over the JSS issue

Blind ignorance is not accepting that another person can have their own opinion.
Even I am not yet convinced of this new line-up, although the new songs sounded very interesting.

Certainly. But it really felt like sour grapes to me

[youkeepmewaiting]

That first review reeked of sour grapes. To start and end a review talking about Jeff Scott Soto, a guy who never had one original song with the band, illustrates this. And the Pamela Anderson comment was neither funny nor professional. Look, they played 3 new Pineda-fronted songs, 1 Augeri-fronted song and the rest Perry-fronted songs, yet Soto's name is mentioned 6 times and Perry's 3. Absurd and speculative to even ponder what new music with JSS would have been like. Especially during a review of the first public concert with Pineda in the U.S.!!! The only thing that needed mentioning was that Jeff was the last singer and filled in well...nothing more. He had nary one original song with the band and all of these supposed "die hards" that left with his departure simply isn't true. And if it is, I beg you to tell me where they were on his solo tour. Rip Arnel's performance all you'd like...that's fair to do. But for the love of God, have the talent to at least mask your sour grapes a bit better. I think this guy sat through the entire concert and hurt his brains in the process.

Lol, bingo

[Deb]

Too funny! Because somebody prefers a different Journey line up than you, it is somehow "sour grapes"?

[kgdjpubs]

Too funny! Because somebody prefers a different Journey line up than you, it is somehow "sour grapes"?

I don't think it's the preference over the other lineup, but the tone of the review that is getting people wound up. There is a difference between having an opinion, and being professional. A few parts crossed that line.

[Danalphabet]

I just want to thank everyone for their honest and passionate feedback regarding my review. I truly respect everyone's opinions and hope that you can respect mine.

As a reviewer of the Las Vegas show, I did my best to express what I saw that night, bring in some band history to the uniniated and express my opinons and point of view. That said, I believe that no one, including me, is above being criticized. If you dish something out, you should have a thick enough skin to take it.

I am not a disgruntled JSS fan, nor someone with an axe to grind against Journey. For those who know me, I am a lifelong fan of the band and have written positive reviews in the past about Journey, Night Ranger, Def Leppard, Shaw/Blades, etc. for Andrew at Melodicrock.com.

I have supported all versions of Journey and do not intend to write Arnel and the band off. I posed some tough questions at the end of the review and look forward to seeing how everything plays out.

Hopefully, we can all agree to disagree. If not, I really do appreciate your passion for the music that we all love.

Take care,

Dan Clavadetscher

[finalfight]

That first review reeked of sour grapes. To start and end a review talking about Jeff Scott Soto, a guy who never had one original song with the band, illustrates this. And the Pamela Anderson comment was neither funny nor professional. Look, they played 3 new Pineda-fronted songs, 1 Augeri-fronted song and the rest Perry-fronted songs, yet Soto's name is mentioned 6 times and Perry's 3. Absurd and speculative to even ponder what new music with JSS would have been like. Especially during a review of the first public concert with Pineda in the U.S.!!! The only thing that needed mentioning was that Jeff was the last singer and filled in well...nothing more. He had nary one original song with the band and all of these supposed "die hards" that left with his departure simply isn't true. And if it is, I beg you to tell me where they were on his solo tour. Rip Arnel's performance all you'd like...that's fair to do. But for the love of God, have the talent to at least mask your sour grapes a bit better. I think this guy sat through the entire concert and hurt his brains in the process.

I agree with this wholeheartedly. I actually felt this so called 'review' reflected badly on the site as well and thats a first in all the years I have been visiting. It just didn't sit well with EVERY other available report - not just those here. It was also in direct counterpoint to what my (sober SteveW2) eyes and ears told me when looking at the clips or listening to the audio. In fact I believe this stain on the frontpage wil appear even more bitter once the live DVD is released and shows in close up exactly what it was that this trusted reviewer seemed to have missed.

Oh and the songs were slowed down... right... That one statement alone casts a huge shadow of the suspicious prose.

Its not often I get rilled up but wrong is wrong. I know everyone has there own opinion but I was disappointed to see an opinion so wildly askew of everything else that I have seen of this show on the frontpage of one of the most respected and trusted music sources in the business. It just reeked of inaccuracy and I believe it will cause more harm than good.

The whole thing was made even more apparant by the review that followed it by a wildly enthsiastic friend of Deen's. Nice story but not really subjective.

[stevew2]

I just want to thank everyone for their honest and passionate feedback regarding my review. I truly respect everyone's opinions and hope that you can respect mine.

As a reviewer of the Las Vegas show, I did my best to express what I saw that night, bring in some band history to the uniniated and express my opinons and point of view. That said, I believe that no one, including me, is above being criticized. If you dish something out, you should have a thick enough skin to take it.

I am not a disgruntled JSS fan, nor someone with an axe to grind against Journey. For those who know me, I am a lifelong fan of the band and have written positive reviews in the past about Journey, Night Ranger, Def Leppard, Shaw/Blades, etc. for Andrew at Melodicrock.com.

I have supported all versions of Journey and do not intend to write Arnel and the band off. I posed some tough questions at the end of the review and look forward to seeing how everything plays out.

Hopefully, we can all agree to disagree. If not, I really do appreciate your passion for the music that we all love.

Take care,

Dan Clavadetscher

Say it like it is, some people cant accept other opinions. That is close minded and ignorant. I thought your reveiw was dead on.

[Carlitto H@kk]

I actually felt this so called 'review' reflected badly on the site as well and thats a first in all the years I have been visiting. It just didn't sit well with EVERY other available report - not just those here. It was also in direct counterpoint to what my (sober SteveW2) eyes and ears told me when looking at the clips or listening to the audio. In fact I believe this stain on the frontpage wil appear even more bitter once the live DVD is released and shows in close up exactly what it was that this trusted reviewer seemed to have missed.

Oh and the songs were slowed down... right... That one statement alone casts a huge shadow of the suspicious prose.

Its not often I get rilled up but wrong is wrong. I know everyone has there own opinion but I was disappointed to see an opinion so wildly askew of everything else that I have seen of this show on the frontpage of one of the most respected and trusted music sources in the business. It just reeked of inaccuracy and I believe it will cause more harm than good.

The whole thing was made even more apparant by the review that followed it by a wildly enthsiastic friend of Deen's. Nice story but not really subjective.

How in the hell can these reviews reflect badly on Drew?
Drew couldn't be at the show himself so he relies on reviews from folks here.
You know as well as I do that EVERY review of the show will be skewed in one way or the other.
Either it's gonna be someone that loves Arnel, someone that is still hanging onto JSS or Augeri
or someone that hasn't really cared much since Perry left.
You can find flaws/biased views in EVERY review.

This doesn't bode badly for Drew at all. He posted 2 sides; one good, one bad.

It only reeked of inaccurracy to you because YOU didn't see/hear the performances in the same way.

I hope this line-up pans out and works but, you need to grow some
thick skin quick cause Arnel is gonna take more beatings in the
press for awhile, I can guarantee it. He is gonna be held to that
very high standard (Perry, of course) for as long as he fronts this band,
will ALWAYS be compared to Perry and will take a few lumps along the way.
Augeri took 'em and, hell, even Soto took 'em.

[Deb]

I actually felt this so called 'review' reflected badly on the site as well and thats a first in all the years I have been visiting. It just didn't sit well with EVERY other available report - not just those here. It was also in direct counterpoint to what my (sober SteveW2) eyes and ears told me when looking at the clips or listening to the audio. In fact I believe this stain on the frontpage wil appear even more bitter once the live DVD is released and shows in close up exactly what it was that this trusted reviewer seemed to have missed.

Oh and the songs were slowed down... right... That one statement alone casts a huge shadow of the suspicious prose.

Its not often I get rilled up but wrong is wrong. I know everyone has there own opinion but I was disappointed to see an opinion so wildly askew of everything else that I have seen of this show on the frontpage of one of the most respected and trusted music sources in the business. It just reeked of inaccuracy and I believe it will cause more harm than good.

The whole thing was made even more apparant by the review that followed it by a wildly enthsiastic friend of Deen's. Nice story but not really subjective.

How in the hell can these reviews reflect badly on Drew?
Drew couldn't be at the show himself so he relies on reviews from folks here.
You know as well as I do that EVERY review of the show will be skewed in one way or the other.
Either it's gonna be someone that loves Arnel, someone that is still hanging onto JSS or Augeri
or someone that hasn't really cared much since Perry left.
You can find flaws/biased views in EVERY review.

This doesn't bode badly for Drew at all. He posted 2 sides; one good, one bad.

It only reeked of inaccurracy to you because YOU didn't see/hear the performances in the same way.

I hope this line-up pans out and works but, you need to grow some
thick skin quick cause Arnel is gonna take more beatings in the
press for awhile, I can guarantee it. He is gonna be held to that
very high standard (Perry, of course) for as long as he fronts this band,
will ALWAYS be compared to Perry and will take a few lumps along the way.
Augeri took 'em and, hell, even Soto took 'em.

Great post Carl! Right on the money!

[Rockindeano]

I just want to thank everyone for their honest and passionate feedback regarding my review. I truly respect everyone's opinions and hope that you can respect mine.

As a reviewer of the Las Vegas show, I did my best to express what I saw that night, bring in some band history to the uniniated and express my opinons and point of view. That said, I believe that no one, including me, is above being criticized. If you dish something out, you should have a thick enough skin to take it.

I am not a disgruntled JSS fan, nor someone with an axe to grind against Journey. For those who know me, I am a lifelong fan of the band and have written positive reviews in the past about Journey, Night Ranger, Def Leppard, Shaw/Blades, etc. for Andrew at Melodicrock.com.

I have supported all versions of Journey and do not intend to write Arnel and the band off. I posed some tough questions at the end of the review and look forward to seeing how everything plays out.

Hopefully, we can all agree to disagree. If not, I really do appreciate your passion for the music that we all love.

Take care,

Dan Clavadetscher

Say it like it is, some people cant accept other opinions. That is close minded and ignorant. I thought your reveiw was dead on.

How in THE Hell can you say his review is "dead on" when you weren't there? You're a trip.

[BobbyinTN]

First off, my apologies if this has been covered in another topic. Pressed for time here, but I wanted to post some thoughts:

I'm confused as to why the band is rushing to put out a DVD so quickly out of the gate. I wasn't at the show, and am not about to make judgement based on the youtube videos. But it sounds as if they were still shaking off the rust. Grant it, there will most likely be some post-production studio sweetening, but it doesn't seem logical to rush a project like this when you're trying to re-build your fanbase.

Also, I've never been at a show that was recorded, but I'd imagine that it's not common for a band to do a second take on a song, let alone more than one. Has anyone ever seen this before at any other shows?

My thoughts are no reflection on Arnel, but rather on the band and management. From what I've heard, this guy does have the chops and I would love to see him succeed with the band. I'm just a bit concerned with the patchwork that's involved with this project. They've already been burned once.

AV

I was at a taping a few years ago, Heart & Wynonna for the Crossroads series and they had to retake several songs. It was frustrating, but cool watchining it. Oh, Donna Summer was in the audience and that was cool.

[finalfight]

I actually felt this so called 'review' reflected badly on the site as well and thats a first in all the years I have been visiting. It just didn't sit well with EVERY other available report - not just those here. It was also in direct counterpoint to what my (sober SteveW2) eyes and ears told me when looking at the clips or listening to the audio. In fact I believe this stain on the frontpage wil appear even more bitter once the live DVD is released and shows in close up exactly what it was that this trusted reviewer seemed to have missed.

Oh and the songs were slowed down... right... That one statement alone casts a huge shadow of the suspicious prose.

Its not often I get rilled up but wrong is wrong. I know everyone has there own opinion but I was disappointed to see an opinion so wildly askew of everything else that I have seen of this show on the frontpage of one of the most respected and trusted music sources in the business. It just reeked of inaccuracy and I believe it will cause more harm than good.

The whole thing was made even more apparant by the review that followed it by a wildly enthsiastic friend of Deen's. Nice story but not really subjective.

How in the hell can these reviews reflect badly on Drew?
Drew couldn't be at the show himself so he relies on reviews from folks here.
You know as well as I do that EVERY review of the show will be skewed in one way or the other.
Either it's gonna be someone that loves Arnel, someone that is still hanging onto JSS or Augeri
or someone that hasn't really cared much since Perry left.
You can find flaws/biased views in EVERY review.

This doesn't bode badly for Drew at all. He posted 2 sides; one good, one bad.

It only reeked of inaccurracy to you because YOU didn't see/hear the performances in the same way.

I hope this line-up pans out and works but, you need to grow some
thick skin quick cause Arnel is gonna take more beatings in the
press for awhile, I can guarantee it. He is gonna be held to that
very high standard (Perry, of course) for as long as he fronts this band,
will ALWAYS be compared to Perry and will take a few lumps along the way.
Augeri took 'em and, hell, even Soto took 'em.

Good grief you always seem so angry. Why does it always have to boil down to the frontman with you and your assumptions that that must be the case for everyone else who posts in a positive (or negative light) about the band as a whole. Whilst I agree there are those who might cheerlead certain singers or incarnations of the band my post was regarding a review of the band as a whole and the skewed reporting thereof. Reviewing is all about objectivity and honesty after all.

The first 'review' jarred with everything else that has been reported and I challenge you to show me otherwise. Therefore it was misleading and quite possibly damaging to the band.

If we all had to have been there to post or be able to offer an opinion then this board would be very quiet indeed.

And again I mention the fact that this review inaccurately stated that the songs were noticebly slowed down. Two threads on this matter were started (and since closed) and Andrew even stated the following as a response to another post which I believe gives some credence to my arguement that the piece did indeed reflect badly on the credibility of the site -

STORY_TELLER wrote:

As someone who's on the fence, I can honestly see bias in Dan's review. JSS was mentioned all too often and feathered throughout. It really felt like sour grapes. That being said, the subsequent review felt like it came from a cheerleader and just as biased in the opposite direction. As soon as that reviewer mentioned he was once friends with and reconnected with Deen Castronovo (at the show), it kind of became clear there's no way this guy was going to have (let alone write) a purely objective opinion. I mean, seriously, everything posted on the web gets back to Journey management, especially on the front page of MR.com. Hard to believe after a guy reconnects with a band member, exchanging phone numbers, that he was going to say one negative thing about the concert.

Seems to me the Journey camps are as polarized as today's politics in this country. Nay-sayers on one side and cheerleaders on the other. Very few middle of the roaders (which is the camp I currently reside in).

I think most from both camps lack objectivity.

This I think is the most objective post of the day.

I wish that I could have seen it for myself. I hate leaving reviews to outsiders (even ones I know well...).

I trust the opinion of people on this board that did go. People who have seen many incarnations of the band and I call bullsh!t. Thats my opinion and my right. Anyway, whatever. It happened.

I will go to bat for Arnel on one thing though and say from what I have seen I actually prefer his stage presence with Journey to that of JSS.

[styxman]

The Houston show..anyone know if that was one clean run or did they stop, start and stop again. I'm betting they didn't. Anyone at that show?

[mistiejourney]

That first review reeked of sour grapes. To start and end a review talking about Jeff Scott Soto, a guy who never had one original song with the band, illustrates this. And the Pamela Anderson comment was neither funny nor professional. Look, they played 3 new Pineda-fronted songs, 1 Augeri-fronted song and the rest Perry-fronted songs, yet Soto's name is mentioned 6 times and Perry's 3. Absurd and speculative to even ponder what new music with JSS would have been like. Especially during a review of the first public concert with Pineda in the U.S.!!! The only thing that needed mentioning was that Jeff was the last singer and filled in well...nothing more. He had nary one original song with the band and all of these supposed "die hards" that left with his departure simply isn't true. And if it is, I beg you to tell me where they were on his solo tour. Rip Arnel's performance all you'd like...that's fair to do. But for the love of God, have the talent to at least mask your sour grapes a bit better. I think this guy sat through the entire concert and hurt his brains in the process.

Re: the Pamela Anderson comment

Back before I was even into Journey (which means before 1985), I read somewhere (Rolling Stone?) that Journey changed band members more than most people changed their underwear (by that time they had gone through Ansley, Gregg, Fleishman and added Smitty, Jon and Steve P!)!

So Journey was being compared to replaceable items long before now!

[mistiejourney]

Too funny! Because somebody prefers a different Journey line up than you, it is somehow "sour grapes"?

Hey! Maybe they should have called the new CD "Sour Grapes" or "Trial by Sour Grapes".

No, I'm not drunk, that just hit me funny!

[Carlitto H@kk]

Good grief you always seem so angry... yada yada yada

You still haven't answered my question:
How can a negative review about a band have
a negative affect on Drew and his site?

How can one negative review of a Journey concert damage the band???

Holy shit, they were the so-called poster children for everything wrong with mainstream rock
back in the 80's and THAT never hurt them. Why would this one review be so damaging???

[stevew2]

I just want to thank everyone for their honest and passionate feedback regarding my review. I truly respect everyone's opinions and hope that you can respect mine.

As a reviewer of the Las Vegas show, I did my best to express what I saw that night, bring in some band history to the uniniated and express my opinons and point of view. That said, I believe that no one, including me, is above being criticized. If you dish something out, you should have a thick enough skin to take it.

I am not a disgruntled JSS fan, nor someone with an axe to grind against Journey. For those who know me, I am a lifelong fan of the band and have written positive reviews in the past about Journey, Night Ranger, Def Leppard, Shaw/Blades, etc. for Andrew at Melodicrock.com.

I have supported all versions of Journey and do not intend to write Arnel and the band off. I posed some tough questions at the end of the review and look forward to seeing how everything plays out.

Hopefully, we can all agree to disagree. If not, I reall y do appreciate your passion for the music that we all love.

Take care,

Dan Clavadetscher

Say it like it is, some people cant accept other opinions. That is close minded and ignorant. I thought your reveiw was dead on.

How in THE Hell can you say his review is "dead on" when you weren't there? You're a trip.

He was there wasnt he? And I saw the same concert that he saw on youtube {which is where Neal found Arnel} There are no edits or enhancements there like when you stated how much they edited Augeri s vocals on the 2001 DVD. It was raw,and he called it like he saw it. If I was drunk and in Vegas I would have loved it also just like I did during the 2005 and2006 tour{shortly ] with Steve A. I still thought his reveiw was dead on

[ProgRocker53]

I just want to thank everyone for their honest and passionate feedback regarding my review. I truly respect everyone's opinions and hope that you can respect mine.

As a reviewer of the Las Vegas show, I did my best to express what I saw that night, bring in some band history to the uniniated and express my opinons and point of view. That said, I believe that no one, including me, is above being criticized. If you dish something out, you should have a thick enough skin to take it.

I am not a disgruntled JSS fan, nor someone with an axe to grind against Journey. For those who know me, I am a lifelong fan of the band and have written positive reviews in the past about Journey, Night Ranger, Def Leppard, Shaw/Blades, etc. for Andrew at Melodicrock.com.

I have supported all versions of Journey and do not intend to write Arnel and the band off. I posed some tough questions at the end of the review and look forward to seeing how everything plays out.

Hopefully, we can all agree to disagree. If not, I reall y do appreciate your passion for the music that we all love.

Take care,

Dan Clavadetscher

Say it like it is, some people cant accept other opinions. That is close minded and ignorant. I thought your reveiw was dead on.

How in THE Hell can you say his review is "dead on" when you weren't there? You're a trip.

He was there wasnt he? And I saw the same concert that he saw on youtube {which is where Neal found Arnel} There are no edits or enhancements there like when you stated how much they edited Augeri s vocals on the 2001 DVD. It was raw,and he called it like he saw it. If I was drunk and in Vegas I would have loved it also just like I did during the 2005 and2006 tour{shortly ] with Steve A. I still thought his reveiw was dead on

While Neal certainly hit the jackpot with Arnel, one YouTube vid does not a real experience make...

[hoagiepete]

Hey all. Still in Vegas here doin the convention thing. Haven't had much internet access or time so when I get home I'll try to read what everyone thought.

It was great meeting many of you there. Fun to put faces with your names. A big thanks to TTango for securing the ticket. Nice guy and great seats!!!!

I did check out this thread and felt I should weigh in. I sat a couple of seats over from Dan during the show and he was passing along many of the comments he included in his review to me during the show. I tended to agree with many of the comments at the time, others I didn't see or hear quite as well. I think he gave his personal perspective and that is all we can ask from anyone reviewing something. In speaking with him, I detected no agenda.

Personally...I thought the show was good. Arnel did well. Band didn't seem overly tight. Good to see Neal go wireless and move about a little. Stage didn't impress me much...especially as a backdrop of a DVD. I'd rather Jon just stay behind the keyboards. Really liked All These Years. Other new ones "ok". Wish they'd go deep with Precious Time or other Infinity/Evolution/Departure era tunes. The performance didn't energize me like the last version. I'm going to wait and see what they're like during their regular tour to pass final judgement.

I'd cut Dan some slack...but that's just me.

PS I can't count the number of times I've heard karoake "singers?" and lounge bands playing DSB. It's been hilarious. It's everywhere!!

[ttango1]

Hey all. Still in Vegas here doin the convention thing. Haven't had much internet access or time so when I get home I'll try to read what everyone thought.

It was great meeting many of you there. Fun to put faces with your names. A big thanks to TTango for securing the ticket. Nice guy and great seats!!!!

I did check out this thread and felt I should weigh in. I sat a couple of seats over from Dan during the show and he was passing along many of the comments he included in his review to me during the show. I tended to agree with many of the comments at the time, others I didn't see or hear quite as well. I think he gave his personal perspective and that is all we can ask from anyone reviewing something. In speaking with him, I detected no agenda.

Personally...I thought the show was good. Arnel did well. Band didn't seem overly tight. Good to see Neal go wireless and move about a little. Stage didn't impress me much...especially as a backdrop of a DVD. I'd rather Jon just stay behind the keyboards. Really liked All These Years. Other new ones "ok". Wish they'd go deep with Precious Time or other Infinity/Evolution/Departure era tunes. The performance didn't energize me like the last version. I'm going to wait and see what they're like during their regular tour to pass final judgement.

I'd cut Dan some slack...but that's just me.

PS I can't count the number of times I've heard karoake "singers?" and lounge bands playing DSB. It's been hilarious. It's everywhere!!

HoagiePete is cool peeps. Yeah, Well...I don't agree with much of what Dan wrote but it's his opinion and I can't lambaste his ability to have one. It's fine if we disagree but hell...you and I had a good time at the concert eh Pete?
Journey baby, new music will be here come June!!!

[youkeepmewaiting]

I just want to thank everyone for their honest and passionate feedback regarding my review. I truly respect everyone's opinions and hope that you can respect mine.

As a reviewer of the Las Vegas show, I did my best to express what I saw that night, bring in some band history to the uniniated and express my opinons and point of view. That said, I believe that no one, including me, is above being criticized. If you dish something out, you should have a thick enough skin to take it.

I am not a disgruntled JSS fan, nor someone with an axe to grind against Journey. For those who know me, I am a lifelong fan of the band and have written positive reviews in the past about Journey, Night Ranger, Def Leppard, Shaw/Blades, etc. for Andrew at Melodicrock.com.

I have supported all versions of Journey and do not intend to write Arnel and the band off. I posed some tough questions at the end of the review and look forward to seeing how everything plays out.

Hopefully, we can all agree to disagree. If not, I reall y do appreciate your passion for the music that we all love.



Take care,

Dan Clavadetscher

Say it like it is, some people cant accept other opinions. That is close minded and ignorant. I thought your reveiw was dead on.

How in THE Hell can you say his review is "dead on" when you weren't there? You're a trip.

He was there wasnt he? And I saw the same concert that he saw on youtube {which is where Neal found Arnel} There are no edits or enhancements there like when you stated how much they edited Augeri s vocals on the 2001 DVD. It was raw,and he called it like he saw it. If I was drunk and in Vegas I would have loved it also just like I did during the 2005 and2006 tour{shortly ] with Steve A. I still thought his reveiw was dead on

Oh pllllease you inbred. Dont start the "Neal decided that Arnel was Journeys new singer on youtube therefore youtube rules all" band wagon. Neal saw Arnel on youtube, and then took him for an audition, he (probably) did not make a final decision before he had even heard the guy sing in front of him

[Carlitto H@kk]

Oh pllllease you inbred. Dont start the "Neal decided that Arnel was Journeys new singer on youtube therefore youtube rules all" band wagon. Neal saw Arnel on youtube, and then took him for an audition, he (probably) did not make a final decision before he had even heard the guy sing in front of him

Well, before you go calling people names, let's take
a look at you theory here...

You think SteveW here is crazy for not liking Arnel based off
of Youtube clips of a show he wasn't at, right???

Think of it this way, if Neal could hear something he LIKED
on a Youtube clip, enuff to fly the guy around the world for an audition,
then some people can just as easily hear something they DON'T LIKE
from Youtube clips, right???

[youkeepmewaiting]

Oh pllllease you inbred. Dont start the "Neal decided that Arnel was Journeys new singer on youtube therefore youtube rules all" band wagon. Neal saw Arnel on youtube, and then took him for an audition, he (probably) did not make a final decision before he had even heard the guy sing in front of him

Well, before you go calling people names, let's take
a look at you theory here...

You think SteveW here is crazy for not liking Arnel based off
of Youtube clips of a show he wasn't at, right???

Think of it this way, if Neal could hear something he LIKED
on a Youtube clip, enuff to fly the guy around the world for an audition,
then some people can just as easily hear something they DON'T LIKE
from Youtube clips, right???

No i think Steve is crazy for having a infactuation with certain tribute singers #

And certainly you can watch the youtube clips and think "I like that" or "I dont like that" - but not enough to have a complete 100percent opinion. I cannot go around saying that all the reviews that say the Vegas concert was great was "spot on", as i wasnt there.

[Rockindeano]

Think of it this way, if Neal could hear something he LIKED
on a Youtube clip, enuff to fly the guy around the world for an audition,
then some people can just as easily hear something they DON'T LIKE
from Youtube clips, right???

Steve is no Neal.

[Carlitto H@kk]

Think of it this way, if Neal could hear something he LIKED
on a Youtube clip, enuff to fly the guy around the world for an audition,
then some people can just as easily hear something they DON'T LIKE
from Youtube clips, right???

Steve is no Neal.

I know
I was just playing Devil's Advocate on that one

BTW, The H@kk Family is coming to SoCal in April!!!
My daughter wants to check out some flippin' amusement park
out there, Dipseyland or something

I'll PM you when plans are finalized.
maybe we can all at least meet for a night
of fine grub and shit-talking!!!

[Greg]

Can't the guy have an opinion that is a different view? I thought he gave pretty good reasons for why he didn't dig the concert. Why does it have to be "sour grapes"? The Pamela Anderson thing was quite funny. Come on, from the point of view of someone who doesn't live and breathe Journey, what do you think a causal music fan would think about a band who has went through three lead singers in as many years?

[ttango1]

what do you think a causal music fan would think about a band who has went through three lead singers in as many years?

That's an easy one. Casual Fan doesn't know that Steve Perry left the band and thinks Arnel is Steve with a killer tan.

Seriously, they would tell you that Randy Jackson still plays bass for Journey and if you asked them about Steve Augeri or Jeff Scott Soto, they'd ask do they sing with anyone we( the casual fan) would know.

Sadly...that's the case.

[Greg]

what do you think a causal music fan would think about a band who has went through three lead singers in as many years?

That's an easy one. Casual Fan doesn't know that Steve Perry left the band and thinks Arnel is Steve with a killer tan.

Seriously, they would tell you that Randy Jackson still plays bass for Journey and if you asked them about Steve Augeri or Jeff Scott Soto, they'd ask do they sing with anyone we( the casual fan) would know.

Sadly...that's the case.

LOL! Actually, I doubt they would know anybody else from Journey except for Steve Perry.

[Saint John]

Too funny! Because somebody prefers a different Journey line up than you, it is somehow "sour grapes"?

Not at all, Deb. However, JSS was just a fill in. Journey told him different, but hindsight tells us he was a hired gun. He had ZERO hits, ZERO albums and less than a year under his belt. The review shouldn't have mentioned what Jeff "would've" done with Journey because the purpose of the review was to talk about the NEW lineup. Hell, if you are going to speculate, show some common fucking sense and at the very least speculate what Perry "would've" sounded like doing that show. After all, he moved 80 million units...yet this guy chose to gobble on Jeff's cock for the better part of the review. That said, mentioning JSS more than Perry and Augeri combined shows his ass. I have no problem if you like the Soto-fronted lineup more than the Arnel-fronted lineup. My comment had nothing to do with that though.

[stevew2]

I just want to thank everyone for their honest and passionate feedback regarding my review. I truly respect everyone's opinions and hope that you can respect mine.

As a reviewer of the Las Vegas show, I did my best to express what I saw that night, bring in some band history to the uniniated and express my opinons and point of view. That said, I believe that no one, including me, is above being criticized. If you dish something out, you should have a thick enough skin to take it.

I am not a disgruntled JSS fan, nor someone with an axe to grind against Journey. For those who know me, I am a lifelong fan of the band and have written positive reviews in the past about Journey, Night Ranger, Def Leppard, Shaw/Blades, etc. for Andrew at Melodicrock.com.

I have supported all versions of Journey and do not intend to write Arnel and the band off. I posed some tough questions at the end of the review and look forward to seeing how everything plays out.

Hopefully, we can all agree to disagree. If not, I reall y do appreciate your passion for the music that we all love.



Take care,

Dan Clavadetscher

Say it like it is, some people cant accept other opinions. That is close minded and ignorant. I thought your reveiw was dead on.

How in THE Hell can you say his review is "dead on" when you weren't there? You're a trip.

He was there wasnt he? And I saw the same concert that he saw on youtube {which is where Neal found Arnel} There are no edits or enhancements there like when you stated how much they edited Augeri s vocals on the 2001 DVD. It was raw,and he called it like he saw it. If I was drunk and in Vegas I would have loved it also just like I did during the 2005 and2006 tour{shortly ] with Steve A. I still thought his reveiw was dead on

Oh pllllease you inbred. Dont start the "Neal decided that Arnel was Journeys new singer on youtube therefore youtube rules all" band wagon. Neal saw Arnel on youtube, and then took him for an audition, he (probably) did not make a final decision before he had even heard the guy sing in front of him

I am not a inbred,you must be ,you spell even worse then me