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Postby lparn » Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:49 am

perryfaithful wrote:
Lora wrote:
SF-Dano wrote:Friga also talked about how the Classics are already rerecorded and that the band used great "respect" in redoing the songs.


I seriously doubt he knows the meaning of that word.





I'm going with you on that one Lora!



It is more than obvious after the events of the last 2 years that any of the remaining band members know or knew the meaning of that word.
It is for that reason they are going to lose another unit with me.
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Postby Calbear94 » Thu Mar 13, 2008 11:07 am

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Enigma869 wrote:Funny shit...Cain just said Neal spends his time riding his motorcycle and surfing the internet for "every bad thing someone says about him". You had to know that a guy "shopping" on youtube for a new lead singer, had to be dropping into sites like MR to see what all we whackos are saying about him and his band :shock:

Hey Neal...Here's a message for you...LEAVE THE CLASSIC JOURNEY TRACKS ALONE! They are perfect, and simply don't need to be re-recorded, by ANYONE! Okay...so I guess I'm a bit late with this message :shock:

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Why am I not surprised that he checks the internet for all the bad things people say about him.
I completely agree with your second statement they should leave the classic songs alone.


Schon has always done that. A few examples...fans criticized the Japanese version of Arrival for being too heavy on ballads, so a couple of rockers were added for the U.S. release. Quite a few Journey fans digged Soul Sirkus...Journey's creative course was steered towards what would become Generations. Fans on the Journey/DL tour were very impressed with JSS...so, as soon as the tour ended he was named the "official" singer. More to the point, I think he really runs with fan opinions (that support what he already believes) and it gives him the backing to push for what he wants creatively. This is actually very democratic...if he can tap into what a MAJORITY of Journey fans want, which is exactly what I think he did in pushing for Arnel.

Is he flaky, or just overly open-minded in giving into fan impulses?
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Postby lparn » Thu Mar 13, 2008 1:56 pm

I think at least for the songs on arrival he did listen to the fans reactions however if I recall the japanese version had ben leaked to napster and I recall Neal Schon stating on Rockline that he felt people were not going to buy the cd if they could get it from napster. so I do not think the fan reaction was the entire motivator in the decision to record some other songs for the us version.
I also do not think fan reaction had anything to do with the marathon tours and touring nonstop for years from 98 to 06. That would mean it was our fault so to speak that their singer had to leave the tour in july of 06.
I also think that what the fans think or want does not motivate him or his decisions.
I also do not believe JC anymore in what he says about the fans and the band's devotion to them.
I do not think he fully understands or listens or cares what the fans especially those that have been there for like forever have to say or think, I do not feel that motivates him at all.
Otherwise things and decisions such as doing the DL tour would have been handled differently.
I am not surprised he checks the internet for what people have to say about him, however I honestly do not think it has anything to do with what motivates him,
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Postby ProgRocker53 » Thu Mar 13, 2008 2:02 pm

So if NS really is driven like that by us 'net fans, then maybe the reason they played "Mother, Father" in Vegas was because it was the winner of my Non-DD song poll?! :lol:
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Postby Andrew » Thu Mar 13, 2008 2:06 pm

From my 2001 interview with Neal -





That's cool. Therefore no one gets an advanced preview right?
Yeah, well, I felt like after all the Napster, you know, the thing that happened with the record, that's the least we could do is have a couple of surprises for people that didn't buy the record yet.

Napster's just about shut down, what's your whole take on it looking back now?
Well, you know what, I have to say that, you know the whole ordeal with us with Napster was pretty shocking in the beginning, that they had gotten it from, you know, one of the execs at Sony, and it was passed on through somebody in Europe and, you know, we were all shocked. I mean, the record was just done it wasn't going to be out for months and here it was all over Napster. I mean I knew that once the record would come out it would be all over Napster like everything else is, and then I had my feelings about that too. I felt that it wasn't a bad thing but the artists do need to receive a residual and so do the companies, you know? I mean its just like, you just can't get stuff for free like that when there's artists involved; this is how we make our living. So, you know, I think until they come up with something, you know, I've been reading about it everyday in the paper, it seems they've appointed like a mediator to come in between the companies and Napster to try to come up with some sort of solution and I think that's going to be difficult to come up with, you know, the exact solution. They'll come up with maybe some basic solution and something to work immediately but then I think its going to have to be modified as time goes on. But I think that they, you know, the attorneys have spent enough money, the companies have spent enough money that they will definitely think about that before they close the books on the first mediation sessions.

As a band, did you guys do anything to try to get the tracks removed off of Napster or try and limit the damage?
You know, there wasn't much that we could do. Once they have it, they have it. You know, the label was upset about it. I was initially upset about it then I just said well, you know what, there's nothing you can do about it, and then I just started reading, like you and I have correlated before, I started reading the reviews on the record and it was something that actually worked in our favor I feel at this point.
We got to read the pre-reviews from our fans and what they thought of the record and, you know, a lot of them said the same thing that I was saying when we were in the studio, that, you know, it was a great record but it would've been greater with another couple of rock tracks. Or just more evened out as a record, you know, with ballads vs. rockers. And so, I think that all-in-all in the end that it worked for us.

Yeah, I think it might have as well. I certainly feel the same way, I mean it's a fantastic album and I think it's your best sounding album, but yeah, a couple of rock tracks is great.
What did the band feel, what were you talking about when you gathered again in the studio? Were you all in favor of re-recording a couple of tracks?
Well you know what, it all started from me. I started the whole fire. You know, I went on our web site and I started talking about, you know, everybody was asking what ever happened to "World Gone Wild" and this other song "Good Times" that we were playing live and then all of a sudden we weren't playing it, and then it wasn't on the record because John Kalodner didn't OK it and Kevin had never heard it and so everybody was asking about the song, "Why is this not on the record, I can't believe it didn't go on the record." So I started a fire basically on the web site and I said, "How many people would like to hear this and how many people would like to hear this sort of a song and what do you think if we added it to the record" and everybody came back almost like 100%, yeah do it. And so once I got the fire started then I got on the phone with management, then I talked to everybody in the band and basically twisted arms real good and then we went back in the studio and did it.
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Postby lparn » Thu Mar 13, 2008 2:28 pm

I think it would also have been good to hear more of those songs from arrival like signs of life, all the way and
to be alive again live.'
I do recall reading that interview from 01 as well as the rockline show discussion,
I would really like to think that they do all listen to what we think and post and comment on,
however, I do not think in ALL cases that has and is happening.
I for one certainly never wanted them to do those kind of tours or even the 06 tour and have them lose a singer in the process. While I might not agree with everything that has happened or why, I always felt and heard them say they listened to the fans.
It is unfortuate sometimes it does and did not feel that way.
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Postby Calbear94 » Thu Mar 13, 2008 3:24 pm

Andrew wrote:From my 2001 interview with Neal -
...We got to read the pre-reviews from our fans and what they thought of the record and, you know, a lot of them said the same thing that I was saying when we were in the studio, that, you know, it was a great record but it would've been greater with another couple of rock tracks. Or just more evened out as a record, you know, with ballads vs. rockers. And so, I think that all-in-all in the end that it worked for us.


I am not personally close to Neal, so all of this is speculation. But the timing of his decisions and the confirmation that he is very much Internet-aware (he knew about Napster, he knew about certain fans vocal outcries about Arrival not being balanced...he even hired his latest singer off YouTube!).

I guess what I am getting at is the number of coincidences between fan opinion trends and Neal's decision-making. I do think it matters to him what fans think, especially if it gives him ammo in interband disagreements.
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Postby stevew2 » Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:29 pm

Neal is retarded
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Postby perryfaithful » Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:01 pm

stevew2 wrote:Neal is retarded




Keep'n it simple! :lol:
"In Journey, all the hit songs we had were based around Steve Perry's vocals."

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Postby Red13JoePa » Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:19 pm

perryfaithful wrote:
stevew2 wrote:Neal is retarded




Keep'n it simple! :lol:


...and classy, too.
You guys are about as deep as parking lot puddle.

Amusing, too, how quick loons are to align themsleves with the devil (Augeri people) in the name of bashing Journey.

And I'm thrilled Neal and Journey have opted to improve upon the old songs and include it Revelation.
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Postby Enigma869 » Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:38 pm

stevew2 wrote:Neal is retarded



I don't know about "retarded", but not exactly a riveting interview! He has to work on that "you know" line that he seems to say every 8 seconds :shock: He is CLEARLY much more internet savvy than he's been portrayed as being. I got the feeling that he didn't pay much attention to much surrounding his band on the net, and that's clearly not the case. I applaud the guy for actually paying attention, because I think it's an intelligent business move, to pay attention to what your buying public is saying!


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Postby Lady Luck » Thu Mar 13, 2008 11:06 pm

SF-Dano wrote:IMO, I also could have done without the redone classics, but I don't think it will stop me from buying the package when it comes out.


Me too, but I want the new material and DVD, so I'll be buying it. I might listen to the first disc to see what kind of "job" was done, but then put it away. :lol:
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Postby lparn » Fri Mar 14, 2008 2:39 pm

I agree there are some coincidences in some of his decisions and fan opinions. He might have more computer skills than I do. It is not about bashing the band or Neal or anyone,. I have read some of the other interviews that he gave and
I am not convinced that any of the current lineup is completely motivated by what the fans think or feel or have to say.
I never asked for a 3 hour show of all 70's songs, hendrix covers and cutting the newer songs from the set list.
I also never asked for marathon tours to the point of sidelining their singer.,
We have been asking for dvd's from the Warfield show, and from 05 and that never came to pass.
Alot of people wanted the rerecorded classics 8 years ago and that never happened.
The way things were handled with the departure of the last 2 singers and the lies etc about the 06 tour,
I do not see that as listening to and caring about the fans.
Not to mention the things stated in some of the interviews last year that Jc and NS gave. That is not listening or caring what we feel or have to say. I see those things as saying they do not care and turning people off/away.
I can not see me buying this package or cd.
If they truely cared about the fans as they say, they would care that some of us feel this way.
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Postby Just Sara » Fri Mar 14, 2008 3:50 pm

Enigma869 wrote:He has to work on that "you know" line that he seems to say every 8 seconds

John from Boston



Thank you for saying that! :) This has always amused/annoyed me about Neal's interviews. As an actress and a drama teacher, my bigger pet peeves include "likes" and "you knows". Neal, you rock but you wouldn't last a day in my speech class! 8)

I am not even remotely a fan of the idea of re-recording the classics. I'd be fine with hearing Arnel sing them at a concert or on a concert DVD but to me a whole CD of that is just a waste of time, energy, money and the fans' patience.
I do want the DVD of the Vegas concert and the new album. If in order to get those I also have to get the re-recordings fine I just won't listen to them.

I'm kinda puzzled about Cain's reasoning. Did Journey fans want re-recordings? Did I miss it? I mean I like hearing JSS sing Journey and probably would've bought that album if it came out. But in general I was unaware that this was something the majority of the fans wanted at all. *shrug* Whatever
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Postby Saint John » Fri Mar 14, 2008 3:52 pm

Just the fucking title of this thread makes laugh. Takes me back to Saturday night when some asshole yelled out "Friga" at the top of his lungs and practically stopped the show. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby Just Sara » Fri Mar 14, 2008 3:54 pm

Saint John wrote:Just the fucking title of this thread makes laugh. Takes me back to Saturday night when some asshole yelled out "Friga" at the top of his lungs and practically stopped the show. :lol: :lol: :lol:


are you serious?????
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Postby Saint John » Fri Mar 14, 2008 3:57 pm

Just Sara wrote:
Saint John wrote:Just the fucking title of this thread makes laugh. Takes me back to Saturday night when some asshole yelled out "Friga" at the top of his lungs and practically stopped the show. :lol: :lol: :lol:


are you serious?????


Yeah, it was me!!! :oops: :lol: :twisted:
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Postby stevew2 » Fri Mar 14, 2008 3:58 pm

Saint John wrote:Just the fucking title of this thread makes laugh. Takes me back to Saturday night when some asshole yelled out "Friga" at the top of his lungs and practically stopped the show. :lol: :lol: :lol:
I can only guess who did that ,I wish I was there just for that moment
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Postby Just Sara » Fri Mar 14, 2008 4:00 pm

Saint John wrote:
Just Sara wrote:
Saint John wrote:Just the fucking title of this thread makes laugh. Takes me back to Saturday night when some asshole yelled out "Friga" at the top of his lungs and practically stopped the show. :lol: :lol: :lol:


are you serious?????


Yeah, it was me!!! :oops: :lol: :twisted:



:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby Shadowsong » Fri Mar 14, 2008 4:21 pm

SF-Dano wrote:Brief Recap (not to mention the story about Neal above)

Talked about Arnel and finding him on YouTube

Said Arnel's work visa got expedited because he sang Wheel in the Sky accapella (sp) for the immigration clerk.

Said he is a big baseball fan and likes to catch games when on tour whenever he can.

Said back in the day the band had a suite at Candlestick park for 49er games.

Neal is not into sports and did not recognize Brent Jones (former 49er tight end) backstage at Vegas show. Jones had presented Journey with a Bammy award years earlier.

Told a story about spilling coffee on OJ Simpsons Brunno Mali (sp) shoes at a 49ers game. Yes the imfamous shoes from the trial.

Talked about a new song (wouldn't give the title) that he thought would be great for a sports team to use as a theme.

Talked about being a regular guest on the show and premiering the first single on that show. (I guess radio play is good, even if it is on an AM sports station).

Not much else. Only a 15 minute interview with alot of sports talk in there.


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http://www.cnn.com/US/9701/23/shoe.sales/

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Like your common slasher runs around in $200 size 12 Bruno Magli's///
LOL

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Postby Enigma869 » Fri Mar 14, 2008 10:24 pm

Saint John wrote:
Yeah, it was me!!! :oops: :lol: :twisted:



Maybe they'll leave that on the DVD and not edit it out :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:


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Postby Saint John » Fri Mar 14, 2008 10:31 pm

Enigma869 wrote:
Saint John wrote:
Yeah, it was me!!! :oops: :lol: :twisted:



Maybe they'll leave that on the DVD and not edit it out :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:


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I hope they don't...it was a really stupid thing to do. :oops:
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Postby conversationpc » Fri Mar 14, 2008 10:33 pm

Saint John wrote:
Just Sara wrote:
Saint John wrote:Just the fucking title of this thread makes laugh. Takes me back to Saturday night when some asshole yelled out "Friga" at the top of his lungs and practically stopped the show. :lol: :lol: :lol:


are you serious?????


Yeah, it was me!!! :oops: :lol: :twisted:


I was going to guess Deano but I'm proud that you took it upon yourself to show the love to the man Friga. :lol:
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Postby Saint John » Sun Mar 16, 2008 11:19 am

Here's the interview "youtubed."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F16mS3fTdNY&NR=1

Here's another really cool one with Brent Jones:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrnVygpE ... re=related
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Postby Melissa » Sun Mar 16, 2008 12:06 pm

Saint John wrote:Just the fucking title of this thread makes laugh. Takes me back to Saturday night when some asshole yelled out "Friga" at the top of his lungs and practically stopped the show. :lol: :lol: :lol:


That was absolutely hysterical :lol: . We all looked & guessed it HAD to be Dean or you. Didn't realize you could yell so LOUD :lol: :lol:
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Postby Rip Rokken » Sun Mar 16, 2008 3:18 pm

Melissa wrote:
Saint John wrote:Just the fucking title of this thread makes laugh. Takes me back to Saturday night when some asshole yelled out "Friga" at the top of his lungs and practically stopped the show. :lol: :lol: :lol:


That was absolutely hysterical :lol: . We all looked & guessed it HAD to be Dean or you. Didn't realize you could yell so LOUD :lol: :lol:


I was right next to him -- he said, "Hey, you dare me to yell 'Friga'? I have a b-i-i-i-i-i-g mouth, and he'll hear me if I do it!" I said... "Go for it!"

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