Here's a thought: ALL Vegas Reviews are Irrelavent!

[WIX]

KNOW WHAT,

YOU want to know what is over rated? Las Vegas Strip Clubs.

Go to Montana, for 1/3 of the cost you will get fondled to death instead of an air ride hovering above your lap.

SHIT!!, BUT then again that is just my unhumbled opinion and what voids my opinion is the fact that my friend that was with me actually thought the vegas club was great.

So, I guess that both opinions are irrevelant?

Gawd that was easy.......................................


I was just going to write a review on Edmunds about the new car I bought, but apparently according to this thread, the car is too new so my opinion will be irrevelant.
Gawd that was easy and sure saved me some time.

Thank you

[Rockindeano]

LOL, you are so right.

How did I miss you? Fucking Frank found me and the fucker got a shot out of me!

[Carlitto H@kk]

KNOW WHAT,

YOU want to know what is over rated? Las Vegas Strip Clubs.

Go to Montana, for 1/3 of the cost you will get fondled to death instead of an air ride hovering above your lap.

SHIT!!, BUT then again that is just my unhumbled opinion and what voids my opinion is the fact that my friend that was with me actually thought the vegas club was great.

So, I guess that both opinions are irrevelant?

Gawd that was easy.......................................


I was just going to write a review on Edmunds about the new car I bought, but apparently according to this thread, the car is too new so my opinion will be irrevelant.
Gawd that was easy and sure saved me some time.

Thank you

Wix, you are blowing my post alittle out of proportion.
My point was that all these little spats over this show and the reviews should be
taken with a grain of salt considering some of the circumstances surrounding the show.

The show was being filmed for the DVD so of course the band was fired up.
It was Arnel's first big performance in front of an American audience so
it is no surprise that he may have flubbed some lines or seemed nervous.

Basically, I was trying to make some peace on the board by giving my opinion
on how silly it is to argue over how good Arnel or this band is right now
after only one show...

But please, do share more about the Strip Clubs

[RockitRide]

Not to mention that, from what I've been told by a few
lucky folks that were there, there was a HUGE Fillipino contingent in attendance.

I don't even know what that's supposed to mean. In 2007 the Red Sox picked up two top-shelf Japanese players, Matsuzaka and Okajima, and they only went on to win the East, have an incredibly exciting playoff run, and then culiminate the season by sweeping the friggin' World Series!! In the process they added millions of Japanese fans and they are now preparing to open in Japan in what promises to be a highlight of the 2008 season. So how do you figure having thousands of energized Phillipinos attending your concerts could possibly be a negative? Sounds like a smart game plan to me.

[Carlitto H@kk]

Not to mention that, from what I've been told by a few
lucky folks that were there, there was a HUGE Fillipino contingent in attendance.

I don't even know what that's supposed to mean. In 2007 the Red Sox picked up two top-shelf Japanese players, Matsuzaka and Okajima, and they only went on to win the East, have an incredibly exciting playoff run, and then culiminate the season by sweeping the friggin' World Series!! In the process they added millions of Japanese fans and they are now preparing to open in Japan in what promises to be a highlight of the 2008 season. So how do you figure having thousands of energized Phillipinos attending your concerts could possibly be a negative? Sounds like a smart game plan to me.

I NEVER said it was a negative.
PLEASE read the ENTIRE post in it's entirety.
If you still don't understand what my point was,
I'll try to explain it better...
God Forbid I get called "Sadistic" and "A Racist" in one week

[WIX]

LOL, you are so right.

How did I miss you? Fucking Frank found me and the fucker got a shot out of me!

you talking to me?
because if so, i was everywhere, I saw all the other MR Folk, you must have went to the wrong hotel. The party wasn't at Circus Circus


Carlitto, I am back home, in a bad mood, and felt like spewing and spilling shit. Personally I really don't care much, I liked the concert, when you see em, feel free to tell us what you think.

club paradise has the prettiest girls but they hover for 20 bucks

montana, full nude in your face for 10 bucks

at least that is what I heard

[RockitRide]

[God Forbid I get called "Sadistic" and "A Racist" in one week [/quote]

Oh geez, I didn't mean that you were a racist! I just thought you meant the crowd appeared to be excited because so many in the audience were rooting for the "home town boy" to do well. My point is that if even that was true, so what? They paid their bucks to get in and they could have cheered or booed like anyone else. The Japanese fans at Fenway scream their lungs out for Oki and Dice K. God bless'em!!

[ttango1]

1. Sure crowds were digging it. It's Vegas, the band was amp'ed up
and the cameras were rolling. Not to mention that, from what I've been told by a few
lucky folks that were there, there was a HUGE Filipino contingent in attendance.

There was a lot, I'd say 30-40%. It's a new demographic, and I'm happy I got to know Journey before Arnel joined them. That being said, the guys rocked just as hard in Vegas and the crowd rocked back just as hard.

[mistiejourney]

Carl, the people coming in and slamming Pineda are obviously haters, and for one of them to say, "Your review was spot on" when he wasn't there is ridiculous. How can you say a review is spot on when you yourself haven't been there to compare it to? The people who went to the show, all agreed it was grand. Every person here who went, loved it. The only dissenters are from folks who bitch daily, complain, and tear down, and oh yea, they weren't within 2500 miles of Vegas. Their reviews or comments don't count. You don't go, you can't bitch. Don't be swayed by their comments about not being able to express an opinion. Their opinions are already cast in stone and are never going to change. They are committed to a road of hatred and they can't turn back. Fuck em. Say, have you seen Andrew comment on the show? No, you haven't. Why? Because he wasn't there and he won't comment on something he hasn't seen.

As for Pineda flubbing lyrics, Augeri did many times in the Vegas 2001 DVD, and I have even see Perry do it too. Who cares?

Well, honestly Deano, there's an opposite side to that. Those who are commenting are doing so based on you tube clips, granted. But you and I both know that the energy of a live show creates an emotional connection to the events which usually allows someone to gloss over legitimate issues. They become cheerleaders and lose objectivity whereas those of us on the outside, if we're being honest, take a middle of the road approach and have a more clear perspective of what we saw.

All you guys had a great time at the show and that's awesome. I'm not taking that away from anyone. Arnel clearly has a great voice and is a great choice to front this band, on the GH's. But you have to admit, you are stoned on your emotional connection to the event as a whole and as a result have a biased point of view that others don't share. That doesn't make others "haters". I'm not referring to those who have an agenda (eg. DCvader). I'm talking about those, like me, who are not in cheerleading mode.

Bingo.

[WIX]

when arnel came out to the stage it was dark

he said hello


"hE HAD ME AT hELLO"

HE HAD ME AT HELLO!

JUST SHUT UP!


damn that was gay........................

[AlienC]

LOL, you are so right.

How did I miss you? Fucking Frank found me and the fucker got a shot out of me!

WHEN the two of you (Wix + Deano) finally do get together,
#1. somebody start the video rollin MAKE SURE the audio is working.
#2. Hide small children and those with fragile sensibilities.
That is all.

[tanga]

All this fuckers bitchin and complaining, get a fucking life. It's very simple people, either support the new line up, old line up, or get lost... Journey is about the music. Tell me somethin Mr. Hawkk, obviously you are in the military and I know damm well you have serve proudly as I did too for 28 fucking years. I'm pretty sure you gave your service to a different type of leadership, and different administration. Each of them got their own style and agenda, some people like them, and some people hated them, but you stay the main core and command objective. My logic is pretty much the same as what the JOURNEY band is doing. It's all about the music that is melancholy sweet in your ears. If you can't bear to stand the new guy as most fuckers here don't like him because of where he came from, then don't buy their music and stand the fuck out. (FUCKIN DEMOCRATS). I bet you're one of the guys in the service who don't contribute to the cause but question's every single steps your bosses make. You're just there for the ride because you have to. Don't spell you guts out as it is obviously making tracks all over the place just like JH (Oops), I opened up a canned of worm, dickhead!!

One thing I learned in life is not to judge something or make assumptions that you're not even there. Just like the Greenpeace and Environmentalist's and ACLU's negative assumption about a Marine killing an infected dog in Iraq. "Hey, you can't do that", Fuckin FAGS!!!

[Carlitto H@kk]

All this fuckers bitchin and complaining, get a fucking life...yada yada yada

Dude/Dudette,
I have absolutely NO IDEA what you are trying to
say in this rant...

Slow down, type literate sentences and try again.
I'd LOVE to hear what I have said to piss you off so much

In fact, I'm gonna go pop some popcorn and set the DVR to record
American Idol for me so I don't miss out!

BTW, I am really getting confused...
You're name is "Tanga"
and then we have "ttango1"...

Are you 2 related???

[ttango1]

LOL, you are so right.

How did I miss you? Fucking Frank found me and the fucker got a shot out of me!

you talking to me?
because if so, i was everywhere, I saw all the other MR Folk, you must have went to the wrong hotel. The party wasn't at Circus Circus


Carlitto, I am back home, in a bad mood, and felt like spewing and spilling shit. Personally I really don't care much, I liked the concert, when you see em, feel free to tell us what you think.

club paradise has the prettiest girls but they hover for 20 bucks

montana, full nude in your face for 10 bucks

at least that is what I heard

The problem here Wixie is that you stayed within City Limits. Had you gone outside to say Club Palomino, then you would've seen it all, live and in color.

Maybe what you were really looking for exists in a town called Pahrump?

Pahrump was also mentioned in the television show Las Vegas when a customer came to the Montecito and wished to go to Pahrump to visit one of the brothels.

[Gin and Tonic Sky]

StoryT makes a lot of sense. How many times have we heard over the years about these Journey junkets were the hardcores party, get drunk, go to the concerts, party some more. Everybody is stoned and high with excitement that they're not even paying attention to how the band is playing half of the time. They know all the songs and sing and scream right over the singer and musicians. How can that be an objective review?

.

Um yes, true, but then isn't that the whole point of rock music. you got forget the sh*t , the electic bill, the jackass you work for and all the sh*t thats closin in. You get excited and think your in heaven and its best damn time youve ever had the best dam concert youve ever seen. You'd rather be there than at the second coming.

If thats what happened in Vegas it just proves that Arnel is working and Journey is doing EXACTLY what its supposed to (and this is coming from a die hard, angry Soto freak here!)

I think you just proved Deano's and some of the others' point in kind of a way.

were not debating Aristotles Nichomacean Ethics here or trying to solve third world debt.

Have we forgot what its all about : This is what Rock n roll is all about:

Sometimes I feel turned around
And upside down
And sometimes maybe I drink too much
But my heart's still in touch

I remember standing tall telling you
I'm gonna be a rock n roll star
When someone said Sit down, boy
"You already are"
So
Raise your hands to rock (rock)
Uh-huh Summertime was always right
Just me and you
Sixteen and dealing with
Those summertime blues

I was Young and restless
Living on the edge of a dream
When someone somewhere said
Ya just gotta believe

And raise your hands to rock

QUIT fRIGGIN FIGHTIN AND START F'N ROCKIN PEOPLE

[ttango1]

BTW, I am really getting confused...
You're name is "Tanga"
and then we have "ttango1"...

No man...

This is a tanga:

The Bikini part that is.

This is a tango:

[WIX]

LOL, you are so right.

How did I miss you? Fucking Frank found me and the fucker got a shot out of me!

you talking to me?
because if so, i was everywhere, I saw all the other MR Folk, you must have went to the wrong hotel. The party wasn't at Circus Circus


Carlitto, I am back home, in a bad mood, and felt like spewing and spilling shit. Personally I really don't care much, I liked the concert, when you see em, feel free to tell us what you think.

club paradise has the prettiest girls but they hover for 20 bucks

montana, full nude in your face for 10 bucks

at least that is what I heard

The problem here Wixie is that you stayed within City Limits. Had you gone outside to say Club Palomino, then you would've seen it all, live and in color.

Maybe what you were really looking for exists in a town called Pahrump?

Pahrump was also mentioned in the television show Las Vegas when a customer came to the Montecito and wished to go to Pahrump to visit one of the brothels.

Pahrump, YUP, about 60 miles out of Vegas, The Chicken Ranch where prostitution is actuALLY legal. Uh, my inlaws have a place there and I HATe THEIR STINKING GUTS, so won't see me there

actually wasn't looking for anything just rambling about nothing really ...................

[Rick]

I am an Arnel fan because I like the guy. No other reason. I'm not drinking any Kool Aid, however I do like grape. I'm a Journey fan because Journey rocks with Arnel. The naysayers are only continuing to be naysayers because they're too stupid or too stubborn or too proud to admit they were wrong. Each of you can choose which fits you personally.

If you're still mad at Journey for not waiting on Perry or Augeri, or passing on JSS and JH, then that's stupid too because that is none of your business. That's Neal and Jon's band. It's their business. It's their bread and butter and they have the right to choose who works there and who doesn't.

Am I disappointed that Jeff isn't fronting Journey? Hell yeah I am, he would have rocked that band to a whole new level. They chose to go with the legacy sound because they know that avenue and know it works. That avenue has been paying their bills very well for 30 years now and I'm sure they don't want to jeopardize that. To be mad at someone for not running their business the way you think they should is arrogant and a ridiculous notion.

Let's quit fighting and start rocking to a band that is once again great. You've got absolutely nothing to lose.

[ttango1]

I am an Arnel fan because I like the guy. No other reason. I'm not drinking any Kool Aid, however I do like grape. I'm a Journey fan because Journey rocks with Arnel. The naysayers are only continuing to be naysayers because they're too stupid or too stubborn or too proud to admit they were wrong. Each of you can choose which fits you personally.

If you're still mad at Journey for not waiting on Perry or Augeri, or passing on JSS and JH, then that's stupid too because that is none of your business. That's Neal and Jon's band. It's their business. It's their bread and butter and they have the right to choose who works there and who doesn't.

Am I disappointed that Jeff isn't fronting Journey? Hell yeah I am, he would have rocked that band to a whole new level. They chose to go with the legacy sound because they know that avenue and know it works. That avenue has been paying their bills very well for 30 years now and I'm sure they don't want to jeopardize that. To be mad at someone for not running their business the way you think they should is arrogant and a ridiculous notion.

Let's quit fighting and start rocking to a band that is once again great. You've got absolutely nothing to lose.

I'm with Rick and apparently...

SO IS FORMER 49ER TE BRENT JONES:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=NrnVygpEKMA

[fightingilliniJRNY]

If you're still mad at Journey for not waiting on Perry or Augeri, or passing on JSS and JH, then that's stupid too because that is none of your business. That's Neal and Jon's band. It's their business. It's their bread and butter and they have the right to choose who works there and who doesn't.

Damn right. That's why I try not to get too caught up in the perceived drama that goes on.

[StoneCold]

A band that is once again great.

Can't think of a better way to sum it up.

[G.I.Jim]

A band that is once again great.

Can't think of a better way to sum it up.

Agreed!

[Clasicrockldy]

I vote for Pinedians...

Oh Pineda...you sing Journey songs for me...
Ohhhh Pineda you sing songs for me!!!! ~To the tune of Oh Canada.

"Arnelians" was tossed about earlier, when Arnel was being considered lead singer.

Dean, there is a difference between not liking something and hating. I just happen not to like the line up now. There is no hate involved here. Arnel does have a set of pipes, that is for sure. I just don't like the lineup, and will not monetarily support it.

Fine. You have said that here repeatedly. How many more times are you going to tell us, through no uncertain terms, you don't like this lineup? We get it. Basically, there is absolutely NO reason for you to even be here. Give me one good reason why you should be here. What point can you honestly make that will be seen as contributive?

You are not a mod, so don't question why I am here or why I post. It is a public board. I will post where and when I choose. It is not up to you to tell me I cannot be here.

[ProgRocker53]

I vote for Pinedians...

Oh Pineda...you sing Journey songs for me...
Ohhhh Pineda you sing songs for me!!!! ~To the tune of Oh Canada.

"Arnelians" was tossed about earlier, when Arnel was being considered lead singer.

Dean, there is a difference between not liking something and hating. I just happen not to like the line up now. There is no hate involved here. Arnel does have a set of pipes, that is for sure. I just don't like the lineup, and will not monetarily support it.

Fine. You have said that here repeatedly. How many more times are you going to tell us, through no uncertain terms, you don't like this lineup? We get it. Basically, there is absolutely NO reason for you to even be here. Give me one good reason why you should be here. What point can you honestly make that will be seen as contributive?

You are not a mod, so don't question why I am here or why I post. It is a public board. I will post where and when I choose. It is not up to you to tell me I cannot be here.

Oh you GO sister!

[Clasicrockldy]

I vote for Pinedians...

Oh Pineda...you sing Journey songs for me...
Ohhhh Pineda you sing songs for me!!!! ~To the tune of Oh Canada.

"Arnelians" was tossed about earlier, when Arnel was being considered lead singer.

Dean, there is a difference between not liking something and hating. I just happen not to like the line up now. There is no hate involved here. Arnel does have a set of pipes, that is for sure. I just don't like the lineup, and will not monetarily support it.

Fine. You have said that here repeatedly. How many more times are you going to tell us, through no uncertain terms, you don't like this lineup? We get it. Basically, there is absolutely NO reason for you to even be here. Give me one good reason why you should be here. What point can you honestly make that will be seen as contributive?

You are not a mod, so don't question why I am here or why I post. It is a public board. I will post where and when I choose. It is not up to you to tell me I cannot be here.

Oh you GO sister!

Oh hush up boy!

[journeyinto2001]

All these people who think Soto would have been the 2nd coming of Jesus for this band are simply full of it IMO. He simply didn't fit with Journey and while his voice was much stronger than Augeri's, anyone seeing him live could sense that "there was something that just wasn't "Journey" about him as lead singer. Taking the band in a new direction? I think the band quickly realized in studio with Soto that he was not fitting with what Journey has always been about in terms of their music.


And when comparing Soto to Arnel- I say 2 completely different leagues- Arnel fits Journey AND has THE VOICE very comparable to THE VOICE. Soto had neither IMO.

Soto is a short-lived memory in the band. Arnel will be the last lead singer this band has and he will do us proud! Looking forward to the new CD and DVD, and btw, I don't give a f___k what you Soto people have to say, as he is no longer in the band!

[ProgRocker53]

All these people who think Soto would have been the 2nd coming of Jesus for this band are simply full of it IMO. He simply didn't fit with Journey and while his voice was much stronger than Augeri's, anyone seeing him live could sense that "there was something that just wasn't "Journey" about him as lead singer. Taking the band in a new direction? I think the band quickly realized in studio with Soto that he was not fitting with what Journey has always been about in terms of their music.


And when comparing Soto to Arnel- I say 2 completely different leagues- Arnel fits Journey AND has THE VOICE very comparable to THE VOICE. Soto had neither IMO.

Soto is a short-lived memory in the band. Arnel will be the last lead singer this band has and he will do us proud! Looking forward to the new CD and DVD, and btw, I don't give a f___k what you Soto people have to say, as he is no longer in the band!

Agreed on all counts....

...but I will say I AM a Jeff Scott Soto fan, and really wanted to see how the J(SS)ourney experiment would work. I think the band could've worked with Soto just in another direction. Because of Soto's style, the band would be forced to adapt more to him, than he would have to adapt to them. He's that strong of a frontman and performer. I don't think Friga and Valory were up to that kind of challenge.

But what's not to be is not to be, and I'm Journeying on accepting that Soto just wasn't meant to be a Journey singer.

[journeyMusic]

All these people who think Soto would have been the 2nd coming of Jesus for this band are simply full of it IMO. He simply didn't fit with Journey and while his voice was much stronger than Augeri's, anyone seeing him live could sense that "there was something that just wasn't "Journey" about him as lead singer. Taking the band in a new direction? I think the band quickly realized in studio with Soto that he was not fitting with what Journey has always been about in terms of their music.

Feel free to Go straight to Hell. Get your facts straight asswipe. Soto NEVER did go to the studio while in Journey.

Soto is a short-lived memory in the band. Arnel will be the last lead singer this band has and he will do us proud! Looking forward to the new CD and DVD, and btw, I don't give a f___k what you Soto people have to say, as he is no longer in the band!

Yeah, of course you don't. Your guy, SA got sent out of town on a rail for faking the fucking songs, and JSS saved this band's ass. You wouldn't have Arnel or Journey if not for Jeff.

Suck my dick.

[Rockindeano]

Very nice contribution.

Eye roll.

You are a superb poster.

[Clasicrockldy]

I vote for Pinedians...

Oh Pineda...you sing Journey songs for me...
Ohhhh Pineda you sing songs for me!!!! ~To the tune of Oh Canada.

"Arnelians" was tossed about earlier, when Arnel was being considered lead singer.

Dean, there is a difference between not liking something and hating. I just happen not to like the line up now. There is no hate involved here. Arnel does have a set of pipes, that is for sure. I just don't like the lineup, and will not monetarily support it.

Fine. You have said that here repeatedly. How many more times are you going to tell us, through no uncertain terms, you don't like this lineup? We get it. Basically, there is absolutely NO reason for you to even be here. Give me one good reason why you should be here. What point can you honestly make that will be seen as contributive?

You are not a mod, so don't question why I am here or why I post. It is a public board. I will post where and when I choose. It is not up to you to tell me I cannot be here.

I'll question any fucking one I choose. Of course you are free to here but it's obvious to everyone why you are. Trust me Sallee, the "voice" is becoming quieter and quieter.

What the fuck are you babbling about? I don't give a flying fuck what people think of me. That is where you and I differ. You do care about what people think of you. God, this is just stupid. You ought to stop while you might be ahead.

I am ahead. You should realize that dumbshit.

Nah, you just think you are ahead. Got anything more to show everyone who you are? More insults, etc? Dig your grave. This shit is old, old, old. People are watching you now. Make a good impression!