JSS wrote:If it were 'signature sound' they were looking for....
http://soulsirkus.com/SS%20Samplers/Coming%20Home.mp3
Amen
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JSS wrote:If it were 'signature sound' they were looking for....
http://soulsirkus.com/SS%20Samplers/Coming%20Home.mp3
Daza wrote:On tapegate......
''Certain people had it in for us, and they turned out to be less than reliable sources. I heard they were alcoholics. Maybe they weren't getting the backstage passes they wanted. Either way they made a whole lot of rubbish about us''.
Enigma869 wrote:The comment about Jeff was simply idiotic! As someone else already pointed out...If these guys really thought of Jeff as a "relief pitcher", why the hell would they announce the guy as the "permanent lead singer"? The comments these guys make NEVER cease to amaze me. Someone pointed out in the Augeri thread that these guys were somehow "loyal", which is the most fucking absurd thing I've EVER heard! These guys are loyal to their wallets and bank accounts, and NOTHING else! Neal made some ridiculous comments about Perry in his latest interview, and now this. These guys REALLY need to hire a PR firm or simply shut their pieholes!
John from Boston
BobbyinTN wrote:It's a business folks. Neil runs the business and he can do as he pleases. I've said from the beginning JSS is an incredible vocalist and front man but he wasn't a fit for Journey. Some wanted Journey to "take another direction" well guess what folks, then it wouldn't be Journey.
BobbyinTN wrote: [size=18]It's a business folks. Neil runs the business and he can do as he pleases. I've said from the beginning JSS is an incredible vocalist and front man but he wasn't a fit for Journey.
BobbyinTN wrote:Some wanted Journey to "take another direction" well guess what folks, then it wouldn't be Journey.
BobbyinTN wrote: When I listen to Journey I want the singer to be able to hit the notes and have the same "feeling" as Perry.
BobbyinTN wrote: Steve Perry was offered the position to be lead singer again.
BobbyinTN wrote:He refused and wants to live his life, well, that's fine and dandy
BobbyinTN wrote: I don't think the other guys should be forced to give up what they love
BobbyinTN wrote:and face it, if they didn't love it they wouldn't be doing it
BobbyinTN wrote:Want to blame someone, blame Perry.
cyndy! wrote:JSS wrote:If it were 'signature sound' they were looking for....
http://soulsirkus.com/SS%20Samplers/Coming%20Home.mp3
love that song
Rick wrote:He can't help himself. I saw him at DFW airport, gathering his things as he had just cleared the security check point and I recognized him immediately and was looking straight at him. He looked up and saw that I knew who he was and he looked at me with such disdain, like "Good fucking lord, not this shit again."
brywool wrote:Cain, wake the f up... you guys were caught with your pants down and there's massive proof.
Don't be a dickhead...
Enigma869 wrote:BobbyinTN wrote: [size=18]It's a business folks. Neil runs the business and he can do as he pleases. I've said from the beginning JSS is an incredible vocalist and front man but he wasn't a fit for Journey.
I'm not sure whether or not your comment is directed at me, but I can assure you that I NEVER believed Jeff was "the voice" for Journey. I think Jeff is a class act, and a very talented musician, but never suggested he should have been the front man. Then again, I thought Augeri struggled mightily attempting to sing Journey's catalog. My comment was simply that NeAl and company shouldn't have announced the guy as their "permanent lead singer" if Cain's comments about always knowing Jeff was a "relief pitcher" are accurate!BobbyinTN wrote:Some wanted Journey to "take another direction" well guess what folks, then it wouldn't be Journey.
This we agree on. I've heard MANY on this board suggest Journey should go in a "more hard rocking direction". I've said all along that the suggestion is flat out dopey! After 30+ years, you don't fuck with the formula that brought you soooooo much success! To Neal's credit (even though I think the guy is a moron), he was at least smart enough to understand that. Let me also say that I never believed that Jeff was on a mission to take Journey in a whole "new" direction. I think Jeff was ALWAYS respectful of the legacy of the name Journey, and always understood what the band and their music was all about!BobbyinTN wrote: When I listen to Journey I want the singer to be able to hit the notes and have the same "feeling" as Perry.
You and everyone else! Once again, Neal understands that this band will FOREVER be identified by Perry's soaring vocals. Because of that, he had to find someone who he thinks sounds like the guy!BobbyinTN wrote: Steve Perry was offered the position to be lead singer again.
I'm not sure this is true. I know Perry has said in a recent interview that he and Neal simply "don't get along", so I would be shocked if a formal offer was ever made. We've all read the stories of Neal perusing YouTube looking for a guy who sounded like Perry. Nowhere in those stories did I ever read "Hey, I called and offered the gig to Perry, but he turned it down"!BobbyinTN wrote:He refused and wants to live his life, well, that's fine and dandy
It sure is! I personally think Perry would be INSANE to EVER consider returning to these guys. His legacy is forever cemented. They are a caricature of what they once were. For the record, I still listen to and enjoy the music, but it's never going to be what it wasBobbyinTN wrote: I don't think the other guys should be forced to give up what they love
Nor do I. If these guys want to tour until they're 90 (which they might do), then more power to them! I don't recall anyone trying to "force" them to do anything. They're grown men, and should do what makes them happy and more importantly, what pays the bills!BobbyinTN wrote:and face it, if they didn't love it they wouldn't be doing it
Well, I'm not so sure about that. I don't think these guys tour, ENDLESSLY, out of pure love for their craft. I think it might have something to do with needing to make as much money as they can (which is more than okay by me). I'm a capitalist, at heart, so I'll NEVER begrudge ANYONE for making every nickel they can make. I just get tired of hearing people turn Neal into some kind of musical martyr with all this "Hey, it's Neal's band and he loves this" crap! It's nauseating! Neal has said publically (on more than one occassion) that the music Journey plays isn't really his thing! He has flat out said "this is how I pay my bills". Again, I don't have a problem with this, but let's stop turning the guy into Mother fucking Theresa, because he isn't!BobbyinTN wrote:Want to blame someone, blame Perry.
Blame Perry for what??? Listen, there are enough people on this board (my buddies JoePa and SJ, for starters) who believe Perry is the devil incarnate! The bottom line is that without Perry's voice, Journey doesn't exist, and Andrew doesn't have them listed ANYWHERE on this website, period, END OF STORY! Neal was surfing YouTube looking for a replacement for Perry...not Augeri or Soto!
John from Boston
Lora wrote:Rick wrote:He can't help himself. I saw him at DFW airport, gathering his things as he had just cleared the security check point and I recognized him immediately and was looking straight at him. He looked up and saw that I knew who he was and he looked at me with such disdain, like "Good fucking lord, not this shit again."
I know that look well and have had it leveled at me on more than one occasion.
ProgRocker53 wrote:A few points...
1- Captain Friga is a fucking prick. He needs to drop his elitist attitude and stick to doing what he does best: tickling ivories and writing lyrics. For a supposedly faithful family man he sure sounds like a massive tool.
2- I forgot how much I loved Coming Home. Thanks for the link Jeff, gonna spin the SS record after the races today now, and you're the shit. Can't wait for the new album.
and finally....
3- For those of you bitching about those who bitch about new directions for Journey and such....
....you wouldn't be on this forum today had Journey not taken a new direction in 1978.
STORY_TELLER wrote:Daza wrote:On tapegate......
''Certain people had it in for us, and they turned out to be less than reliable sources. I heard they were alcoholics. Maybe they weren't getting the backstage passes they wanted. Either way they made a whole lot of rubbish about us''.
And I suppose Herbie Herbert would have to be counted as a "less than reliable source" too, right Jon? Didn't he razz the Augeri fronted 2001 "live" dvd in his recent interview with Andrew for much the same reason? A pitchy singer who has to be pro-tooled in post?
Puh-lease...
To quote a rock star we can admire, be a man and "own your own poo".
tammy wrote:STORY_TELLER wrote:Daza wrote:On tapegate......
''Certain people had it in for us, and they turned out to be less than reliable sources. I heard they were alcoholics. Maybe they weren't getting the backstage passes they wanted. Either way they made a whole lot of rubbish about us''.
And I suppose Herbie Herbert would have to be counted as a "less than reliable source" too, right Jon? Didn't he razz the Augeri fronted 2001 "live" dvd in his recent interview with Andrew for much the same reason? A pitchy singer who has to be pro-tooled in post?
Puh-lease...
To quote a rock star we can admire, be a man and "own your own poo".
I thought the same thing when I read that...JC's probably not aware of the HH interview since it is Andrew's exclusive. 'Course, what are they going to say? Especially at this point where they are releasing a new CD and getting on t.v. They still need to think before they speak, 'tho.
I agree with you on points 1 and 2, but not 3. Journey is not going in a new direction,they are trying to imitate the old, nothing new. Fuckin with the greatest hit proves that point even more.ProgRocker53 wrote:A few points...
1- Captain Friga is a fucking prick. He needs to drop his elitist attitude and stick to doing what he does best: tickling ivories and writing lyrics. For a supposedly faithful family man he sure sounds like a massive tool.
2- I forgot how much I loved Coming Home. Thanks for the link Jeff, gonna spin the SS record after the races today now, and you're the shit. Can't wait for the new album.
and finally....
3- For those of you bitching about those who bitch about new directions for Journey and such....
....you wouldn't be on this forum today had Journey not taken a new direction in 1978.
ProgRocker53 wrote:I'm sure Captain Friga read Andrew's interview. He and Neal get on here quite a bit and read, and even post (in Neal's case).
SteveForever wrote:ProgRocker53 wrote:I'm sure Captain Friga read Andrew's interview. He and Neal get on here quite a bit and read, and even post (in Neal's case).
How do you know? gee there sure are alot of experts on here about Journey band members.
If you guys think they are such low lifes why are you even here?
STORY_TELLER wrote:SteveForever wrote:ProgRocker53 wrote:I'm sure Captain Friga read Andrew's interview. He and Neal get on here quite a bit and read, and even post (in Neal's case).
How do you know? gee there sure are alot of experts on here about Journey band members.
If you guys think they are such low lifes why are you even here?
Cain said in an interview that Neal surfs the message boards for "every little bad thing that's being said about him". We also have Jeremey's old blog of his audition experience where he said Neal and Jon arrived at the rehearsal and were humorously quoting derogatory names they were being called on the MR forums. Kevin Shirley even went so far as to issue a glowing report about the new album's recording sessions when they heard about the negative assumptions about the upcoming Revelation album.
Thats how we know.
The issue with Jeff isn't so much that he's no longer the lead singer in Journey. That's subjective and it's the band's decision on what they want vocally from a frontman. It's how Neal and Jon went about it that rubs most people raw. Cain's assertion in this interview (should it be confirmed that it is a real interview, since there's no link to it anywhere) that Jeff was merely a relief pitcher when he was officially named lead singer, a photo session of him posing with the band on their website, Neal talking about the future with Jeff as front man in his own interviews at the time, just adds salt to the wound of their atrocious behavior.
Jeremey stated in a post (not long ago) that he got a call from Jon Cain telling him about his writing credit on NWA and that Neal sent him a text message. Basically healing any potential ill feelings. What, they can't do the same thing for Jeff? You know, the guy who saved their financial asses on a huge tour?
That's what's at issue. As artists, I admire them. As people, not so much.
STORY_TELLER wrote:SteveForever wrote:ProgRocker53 wrote:I'm sure Captain Friga read Andrew's interview. He and Neal get on here quite a bit and read, and even post (in Neal's case).
How do you know? gee there sure are alot of experts on here about Journey band members.
If you guys think they are such low lifes why are you even here?
Cain said in an interview that Neal surfs the message boards for "every little bad thing that's being said about him". We also have Jeremey's old blog of his audition experience where he said Neal and Jon arrived at the rehearsal and were humorously quoting derogatory names they were being called on the MR forums. Kevin Shirley even went so far as to issue a glowing report about the new album's recording sessions when they heard about the negative assumptions about the upcoming Revelation album.
Thats how we know.
The issue with Jeff isn't so much that he's no longer the lead singer in Journey. That's subjective and it's the band's decision on what they want vocally from a frontman. It's how Neal and Jon went about it that rubs most people raw. Cain's assertion in this interview (should it be confirmed that it is a real interview, since there's no link to it anywhere) that Jeff was merely a relief pitcher when he was officially named lead singer, a photo session of him posing with the band on their website, Neal talking about the future with Jeff as front man in his own interviews at the time, just adds salt to the wound of their atrocious behavior.
Jeremey stated in a post (not long ago) that he got a call from Jon Cain telling him about his writing credit on NWA and that Neal sent him a text message. Basically healing any potential ill feelings. What, they can't do the same thing for Jeff? You know, the guy who saved their financial asses on a huge tour?
That's what's at issue. As artists, I admire them. As people, not so much.
Enigma869 wrote:The comment about Jeff was simply idiotic! As someone else already pointed out...If these guys really thought of Jeff as a "relief pitcher", why the hell would they announce the guy as the "permanent lead singer"? The comments these guys make NEVER cease to amaze me. Someone pointed out in the Augeri thread that these guys were somehow "loyal", which is the most fucking absurd thing I've EVER heard! These guys are loyal to their wallets and bank accounts, and NOTHING else! Neal made some ridiculous comments about Perry in his latest interview, and now this. These guys REALLY need to hire a PR firm or simply shut their pieholes!
John from Boston
Lora wrote:Rick wrote:He can't help himself. I saw him at DFW airport, gathering his things as he had just cleared the security check point and I recognized him immediately and was looking straight at him. He looked up and saw that I knew who he was and he looked at me with such disdain, like "Good fucking lord, not this shit again."
I know that look well and have had it leveled at me on more than one occasion.
mistiejourney wrote:Enigma869 wrote:The comment about Jeff was simply idiotic! As someone else already pointed out...If these guys really thought of Jeff as a "relief pitcher", why the hell would they announce the guy as the "permanent lead singer"? The comments these guys make NEVER cease to amaze me. Someone pointed out in the Augeri thread that these guys were somehow "loyal", which is the most fucking absurd thing I've EVER heard! These guys are loyal to their wallets and bank accounts, and NOTHING else! Neal made some ridiculous comments about Perry in his latest interview, and now this. These guys REALLY need to hire a PR firm or simply shut their pieholes!
John from Boston
Thank you! They had Jeff's photo up as a member of the group in the photo line up on the front page.
He was in photos of the entire group on the website.
Jeff's biography was on the site.
This revision of history that Jon is trying to push off is insulting to Jeff, insulting to us and makes him look like a twit.
I really pisses me off.
ProgRocker53 wrote:A few points...
1- Captain Friga is a fucking prick. He needs to drop his elitist attitude and stick to doing what he does best: tickling ivories and writing lyrics. For a supposedly faithful family man he sure sounds like a massive tool.
2- I forgot how much I loved Coming Home. Thanks for the link Jeff, gonna spin the SS record after the races today now, and you're the shit. Can't wait for the new album.
and finally....
3- For those of you bitching about those who bitch about new directions for Journey and such....
....you wouldn't be on this forum today had Journey not taken a new direction in 1978.
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