OT - WSJ - "The Obama We Don't Know"

[San Diego Gary]

Come on, guys. In order to enact any legislation, you have to have at least 60 votes, not 51. The oil companies have most Republican politicians in their collective back pockets. Don't even try to pawn this one over to the other side.

I will agree with you on one thing, there are some Republicans just as guilty as the majority of the Democrats. McCain is a perfect example!

[7 Wishes]

Eighty four percent of the $8.6 million oil and gas companies have contributed to the 2006 elections has gone to Republicans, according to the non-partisan Center for Responsive Politics.

According to data compiled by the Center, the top 20 recipients of oil money in Congress are all Republicans.

[conversationpc]

Eighty four percent of the $8.6 million oil and gas companies have contributed to the 2006 elections has gone to Republicans, according to the non-partisan Center for Responsive Politics.

According to data compiled by the Center, the top 20 recipients of oil money in Congress are all Republicans.

Enact the Fair Tax and most of this lobbying BS would be pretty much moot.

[7 Wishes]

Pelosi is a waste of space, anyway.

And I've been listening to talk shows where women are calling in, complaining that America is more prejudiced against women than blacks, since Hillary lost the nomination.

Right, whatever. What did Rush call these women? Feminazis? Spot on there, Rush.

[conversationpc]

Pelosi is a waste of space, anyway.

And I've been listening to talk shows where women are calling in, complaining that America is more prejudiced against women than blacks, since Hillary lost the nomination.

Right, whatever. What did Rush call these women? Feminazis? Spot on there, Rush.

[San Diego Gary]

Eighty four percent of the $8.6 million oil and gas companies have contributed to the 2006 elections has gone to Republicans, according to the non-partisan Center for Responsive Politics.

According to data compiled by the Center, the top 20 recipients of oil money in Congress are all Republicans.

But the Republicans are not in power. So that means they're corrupt? Or does it mean that even though the oil companies, and the Republican politicians who support them, are correct, they're fucked by the Democrats?

[7 Wishes]

Look, for better or worse, whether or not you agree with global warming (and 95% of the rest of the world does), the Spendocrats have been pushing for alternative fuel sources (and throwing lots of money at it) for thirty years now.

So most of them are environmentalists, and by default, they are not going to approve legislation that would allow drilling in wildlife reserves.

[7 Wishes]

Until one party has 60 Senators, NO ONE is in power, and then there's more gridlock than downtown Atlanta at 5:00 on Monday evening.

[conversationpc]

Look, for better or worse, whether or not you agree with global warming (and 95% of the rest of the world does), the Spendocrats have been pushing for alternative fuel sources (and throwing lots of money at it) for thirty years now.

So most of them are environmentalists, and by default, they are not going to approve legislation that would allow drilling in wildlife reserves.

Well, that whole man-made global warming garbage is another matter altogether. Regardless, most of the drilling nowadays can be done much more environmentally friendly than it was years ago. There's no excuse for not doing it anymore, especially considering how dependent we are on foreign oil. Both sides really suck in this matter, in my opinion. Clinton didn't do much to help the situation while he was in power, either.

[7 Wishes]

Look, Clinton did a lot of good while in office, and also helped himself to the office help and smoked a few cigars, too.

It now appears his true colors are more of a brownish hue than shimmering gold, however.

[conversationpc]

Look, Clinton did a lot of good while in office, and also helped himself to the office help and smoked a few cigars, too.

It now appears his true colors are more of a brownish hue than shimmering gold, however.

[San Diego Gary]

Look, for better or worse, whether or not you agree with global warming (and 95% of the rest of the world does), the Spendocrats have been pushing for alternative fuel sources (and throwing lots of money at it) for thirty years now.

So most of them are environmentalists, and by default, they are not going to approve legislation that would allow drilling in wildlife reserves.

And their perfectly manipulated Ethanol boondoggle should make us want to continue to trust them? When Al Gore is chairman of a company that owns almost 10% of a carbon credit company he's pushing to Congress? When corn has gone from $ .50 a bushel to $4.50 a bushel, so all the farmers are growing that instead of oat and wheat etc., thereby raising the prices of all those crops and affecting the prices of ALL foods world-wide? Not to mention the fact that if we planted the entire country with corn it would still only be a drop in our energy bucket? I'm a believer!
Look, I like to save energy, and want alternatives just like the next guy. But the simple fact is, we have NOTHING right now, or in even the forseeable future, to replace oil. And we're sitting on BILLIONS of barrels of it. EVERYBODY bitches about our dependancy on foreign oil. But our own government is causing needless hardship by refusing to let us harvest or own natural resources. Have you any idea how much suffering, in so many different areas of our economy, these policies have caused? How many prices, besides energy, they have raised? Just because somebody thinks we're hurting Mother earth? And as I said. If we're so fucking worried about the global impact of energy exploration, shouldn't we be doing it rather than entrusting it to some third world country that doesn't give a damn?

[conversationpc]

And their perfectly manipulated Ethanol boondoggle should make us want to continue to trust them? When Al Gore is chairman of a company that owns almost 10% of a carbon credit company he's pushing to Congress? When corn has gone from $ .50 a bushel to $4.50 a bushel, so all the farmers are growing that instead of oat and wheat etc., thereby raising the prices of all those crops and affecting the prices of ALL foods world-wide? Not to mention the fact that if we planted the entire country with corn it would still only be a drop in our energy bucket? I'm a believer!
Look, I like to save energy, and want alternatives just like the next guy. But the simple fact is, we have NOTHING right now, or in even the forseeable future, to replace oil. And we're sitting on BILLIONS of barrels of it. EVERYBODY bitches about our dependancy on foreign oil. But our own government is causing needless hardship by refusing to let us harvest or own natural resources. Have you any idea how much suffering, in so many different areas of our economy, these policies have caused? How many prices, besides energy, they have raised? Just because somebody thinks we're hurting Mother earth? And as I said. If we're so fucking worried about the global impact of energy exploration, shouldn't we be doing it rather than entrusting it to some third world country that doesn't give a damn?

Corn-based ethanol is a huge mistake.

[JrnySuxBalls]

I don't know, it's hard to say you really "know" McCain either. First he's a maverick going against the Bush administration, then he's voting along with the policies. I'm going with the black guy. If he sucks, vote him out next time. He says he's going to change Washington, and bucking PACS & lobbyists for campaign financing is a good start.

I'm not prejudiced with the age thing, but the "senior moments" scare me alot more than where somebody goes to church.

[Centaure]

McCain's Day Marked By False Statements And Gaffes

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/0 ... 05283.html

There are so much anti-Obama posts here... I think it might be good to have a counter part sometimes

[classicstyxfan]

welll.....wellll. WELL....OBAMA said he had visited 57 States !!!!! take that !!!!

[Centaure]

Sounds like a simple lapsus to me...

[Eric]

NOBAMA

Good one! Can I use that?

Thanks.

Its yours!

[BobbyinTN]

Obama has my vote and any liberal/Democrat not voting for him might as well pledge allegiance to Bush. McCain is a copy of the Shrub and wants MORE war.

[conversationpc]

McCain is a copy of the Shrub and wants MORE war.

That's a lie. I can't stand McCain and will not be voting for him, but he is far from a "copy of the Shrub". If you're going to make an argument against him, at least tell the truth.

[The_Noble_Cause]

McCain is a copy of the Shrub and wants MORE war.

That's a lie. I can't stand McCain and will not be voting for him, but he is far from a "copy of the Shrub". If you're going to make an argument against him, at least tell the truth.

Can you name five issues where McCain is different from Bush?
The only one I know of offhand is his strong belief in climate chang.
And even to that score, McCain hasn't done very much except jawbone, earning a grand total of a zero from the League of Conservation Voters.

[conversationpc]

Can you name five issues where McCain is different from Bush?
The only one I know of offhand is his strong belief in climate chang.
And even to that score, McCain hasn't done very much except jawbone, earning a grand total of a zero from the League of Conservation Voters.

You know, you're absolutely correct. They are both tax-and-spenders. They both support unconstitutional limits on free speech (McCain/Feingold). They both support open borders (McCain now claims not but I don't believe him). Neither one of them support a decent tax reform policy.

The only other difference, other than the one you mentioned, is that Bush supports water boarding and McCain does not.

[BobbyinTN]

McCain is a copy of the Shrub and wants MORE war.

That's a lie. I can't stand McCain and will not be voting for him, but he is far from a "copy of the Shrub". If you're going to make an argument against him, at least tell the truth.

That is the truth dude, I'm sorry if you're in denial.

McCain supports Bush on almost everything, McCain just wants more war.

[Saint John]

"I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction." Hopefully, that "wind" is the whistling sound of a MOAB.

[classicstyxfan]

Does anyone know if either candidate supports a balanced budget amendment ?

we REALLY need one to reign in the deficit spending, its way out of hand.

[RedWingFan]

The only other difference, other than the one you mentioned, is that Bush supports water boarding and McCain does not.

Dave don't forget, McCain also wants Gitmo closed and give Constitutional rights to terrorists!!!

[The_Noble_Cause]

Dave don't forget, McCain also wants Gitmo closed and give Constitutional rights to terrorists!!!

So does Colin Powell.
Why are you so afraid of due process?

[RedWingFan]

Dave don't forget, McCain also wants Gitmo closed and give Constitutional rights to terrorists!!!

So does Colin Powell.
Why are you so afraid of due process?

They AREN'T US CITIZENS!!!! They aren't even covered by the Geneva Conventions.

[conversationpc]

Dave don't forget, McCain also wants Gitmo closed and give Constitutional rights to terrorists!!!

So does Colin Powell.
Why are you so afraid of due process?

They aren't entitled to due process as it exists in the U.S. judicial system for AMERICAN citizens. They are entitled to whatever standard of justice is meted out in a U.S. military court.

[RedWingFan]

Dave don't forget, McCain also wants Gitmo closed and give Constitutional rights to terrorists!!!

So does Colin Powell.
Why are you so afraid of due process?

Wait....I just thought of a better response.
You mean the same "due process" Clinton exercised for those that were convicted in our courts for the '93 WTC bombing?
I'm sure that scared the crap out of Osama.
Ah yes the courts do it so much better than the military!!!