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Postby Irwin M Fletcher » Fri Jun 27, 2008 4:18 am

bluejeangirl76 wrote:Jesus Frank... that was... absolutely beautiful. I shed a tear. (though my fit of laughter)


strangegrey wrote:Sorry, to me, I see a failing franchise.....Perry coming back, aint going to improve shit....what incentive does perry have to return to a franchise that schlong and fucka have been pissing on for 12 years?


He doesn't. Who the hell would want to see such a reunion at this point in time?
I wouldn't. That would be just sad and sorry. A "failing franchise" is spot on.

I'm not going to be arrogant enough to say "Perry wouldn't do it anyway" or "he has too much integrity" because I don't know him. But I don't think he would. I don't think anyone in their RIGHT mind would, not after watching what this band did to itself.


c'mon, everyone would want to see perry rejoin journey! but would it be the same? probably not.
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Postby Tito » Fri Jun 27, 2008 4:21 am

strangegrey wrote:They started selling pizza out of a cutout window on the street. The back alley was a frequent stop for drug addicts and homeless bums looking for handouts and thrown away, half eaten bread.


Sounds like a pure free market to me. What's the problem? :lol:
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Postby Tito » Fri Jun 27, 2008 4:23 am

strangegrey wrote:The problem is, 97% of the original clientele has moved on....found a better restaurant in a nice part of town, without crack addicts and bums. They're actually eating fillet mignon and fried calamari at their new favorite restaurant, instead of eating fried clams bought from white castle and placed on a plate and served in the shithole, like the stuck-in-the-past 3% that are desperate for a return to the glory days of the restaurant.

It's safe to say the 2 remaining owners drove the restaurant into the fucking ground, with bad management and shitty atmosphere. If they 2 partners finally get it through their heads and offer the original first partner an amazing deal to return, so that the restaurant can improve...tell, me, what amount of incentive or money would intice the original owner??? given the fact that the restaurant is a shithole, will never amount to anything more than a slightly better shithole....and the potential for profits are only as good as any restaurant's profits in a crack infested, bum-laden part of town!?

When instead, the former owner can invest his money in a nice part of town, startup a slamming, hip restaurant....and make alot more money?


Sorry, to me, I see a failing franchise.....Perry coming back, aint going to improve shit....what incentive does perry have to return to a franchise that schlong and fucka have been pissing on for 12 years?


This is such a bad analogy. This isn't even close.
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Postby conversationpc » Fri Jun 27, 2008 4:23 am

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Saint John wrote:Journey doesn't need Perry for the first time in 22 years. Fuck him. The restaurant is akin to what is was circa 1986. 81? No. 83? No. 86? Absolutely. Perry was the guy that initially fucked up and began the demise of the "restaurant" and you know it, Frank.


There is absolutely nothing Perry could have done to Journey that would compare to what Schon and Cain did during Augeri's tenure. Nothing. Nada. Zippo. Case closed.


1 - He skipped out on the last half of the ROR tour because he didn't feel like it, instead of fulfilling his obligations to finish the tour (he did the same on his FTLOSM tour).

2 - He fussed and fidgeted around for too long on when he was going to have surgery done instead of making a decision, leaving the other guys in the band to twist in the wind yet again.

3 - He claimed he "never felt like part of the band" even though he pretty much ran the band from 83-86.

4 - He fired Ross and Smith, the latter being arguably one of the best percussionists in the entire world.

5 - He refuses to even speak to the other band members unless he happens to be sharing in the glory of something like the Walk of Fame or some such event.

6 - Had to have his lawyers do the dirty work for him instead of just sucking it up and accepting that he was no longer in the band from '98 on.

I certainly don't blame Perry for the supposed downfall of the band or for the stone being "cracked", if you want to call it that, but these things listed above play just as much of a role, in my opinion.
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Postby Irwin M Fletcher » Fri Jun 27, 2008 4:25 am

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strangegrey wrote:The problem is, 97% of the original clientele has moved on....found a better restaurant in a nice part of town, without crack addicts and bums. They're actually eating fillet mignon and fried calamari at their new favorite restaurant, instead of eating fried clams bought from white castle and placed on a plate and served in the shithole, like the stuck-in-the-past 3% that are desperate for a return to the glory days of the restaurant.

It's safe to say the 2 remaining owners drove the restaurant into the fucking ground, with bad management and shitty atmosphere. If they 2 partners finally get it through their heads and offer the original first partner an amazing deal to return, so that the restaurant can improve...tell, me, what amount of incentive or money would intice the original owner??? given the fact that the restaurant is a shithole, will never amount to anything more than a slightly better shithole....and the potential for profits are only as good as any restaurant's profits in a crack infested, bum-laden part of town!?

When instead, the former owner can invest his money in a nice part of town, startup a slamming, hip restaurant....and make alot more money?



Sorry, to me, I see a failing franchise.....Perry coming back, aint going to improve shit....what incentive does perry have to return to a franchise that schlong and fucka have been pissing on for 12 years?


This is such a bad analogy. This isn't even close.


i agree 8)
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Postby Don » Fri Jun 27, 2008 4:32 am

EightyRock wrote:
Saint John wrote:Journey doesn't need Perry for the first time in 22 years. Fuck him. The restaurant is akin to what is was circa 1986. 81? No. 83? No. 86? Absolutely. Perry was the guy that initially fucked up and began the demise of the "restaurant" and you know it, Frank.


There is absolutely nothing Perry could have done to Journey that would compare to what Schon and Cain did during Augeri's tenure. Nothing. Nada. Zippo. Case closed.


One thing I do believe is if anything goes down with Arnel that isn't cosher the entertainment press will be all over it. As much as they love creating heroes they love tearing people down even more and Arnel's advocates will be pulling everything out of their arsenal to destroy these guys and probably put the band out of its misery. Then the Perry reunion talk can finally be put to rest.
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Re: will perry return?

Postby Tito » Fri Jun 27, 2008 4:34 am

lights1961 wrote:PERRY is not coming back...ever period. Only one scenario i can imagine---
Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction if that ever happens...
however it could be
like van halen--where no one wanted to be a part of it. In that case ROHF is better
waiting until Neal and co reach about 75.. they might appreciate the award more.
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I think we're barking up the wrong tree for the HOF. What we should do is petition the Italian American Hall of Fame (actually it didn't look to impressive). How about they Italian American Sports Hall of Fame (that looks better). It could in regards to DSB during the White Sox championship. It probably would've been better when Augeri was in the band. We had Augeri, Castronovo, Cain (Friga (for this purpose only)), and Schon. Even Neal told me back in '98, "things are starting to get a little greasy around here." What's everybody think?
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Postby EightyRock » Fri Jun 27, 2008 4:39 am

conversationpc wrote:1. -He skipped out on the last half of the ROR tour because he didn't feel like it, instead of fulfilling his obligations to finish the tour (he did the same on his FTLOSM tour).

2 - He fussed and fidgeted around for too long on when he was going to have surgery done instead of making a decision, leaving the other guys in the band to twist in the wind yet again.

3 - He claimed he "never felt like part of the band" even though he pretty much ran the band from 83-86.

4 - He fired Ross and Smith, the latter being arguably one of the best percussionists in the entire world.

5 - He refuses to even speak to the other band members unless he happens to be sharing in the glory of something like the Walk of Fame or some such event.

6 - Had to have his lawyers do the dirty work for him instead of just sucking it up and accepting that he was no longer in the band from '98 on.

I certainly don't blame Perry for the supposed downfall of the band or for the stone being "cracked", if you want to call it that, but these things listed above play just as much of a role, in my opinion.



Pfft.... :roll: meaningless, compared to his contributions to the band, which they are STILL milking. "Legacy sound"....yeah rrright. :lol:
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Re: will perry return?

Postby Michigan Girl » Fri Jun 27, 2008 4:42 am

Tito wrote:
lights1961 wrote:PERRY is not coming back...ever period. Only one scenario i can imagine---
Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction if that ever happens...
however it could be
like van halen--where no one wanted to be a part of it. In that case ROHF is better
waiting until Neal and co reach about 75.. they might appreciate the award more.
Rick



I think we're barking up the wrong tree for the HOF. What we should do is petition the Italian American Hall of Fame (actually it didn't look to impressive). How about they Italian American Sports Hall of Fame (that looks better). It could in regards to DSB during the White Sox championship. It probably would've been better when Augeri was in the band. We had Augeri, Castronovo, Cain (Friga (for this purpose only)), and Schon. Even Neal told me back in '98, "things are starting to get a little greasy around here." What's everybody think?


I'm scratching my head???? :?
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Postby Enigma869 » Fri Jun 27, 2008 4:57 am

Irwin M Fletcher wrote:errrrrr, no its not! roth came back to van halen after about 10 false starts, wots so different about perry and journey? ill know not to start a topic on the journey board again! :roll:


Comparing Roth to Perry is just plain dopey! Roth came back to sing songs that were really never that challenging to sing! Roth was ALWAYS more showman than he was vocalist! Have you paid attention to what the Journey catalog has done to guys, since Perry :shock: :shock: :shock:


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Postby Irwin M Fletcher » Fri Jun 27, 2008 4:59 am

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Irwin M Fletcher wrote:errrrrr, no its not! roth came back to van halen after about 10 false starts, wots so different about perry and journey? ill know not to start a topic on the journey board again! :roll:


Comparing Roth to Perry is just plain dopey! Roth came back to sing songs that were really never that challenging to sing! Roth was ALWAYS more showman than he was vocalist! Have you paid attention to what the Journey catalog has done to guys, since Perry :shock: :shock: :shock:


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i was only comparing him in terms of 'a singer rejoining a band he left', but cheers for saying it was dopey sneezey :D
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Postby Saint John » Fri Jun 27, 2008 5:06 am

EightyRock wrote:
Saint John wrote:Journey doesn't need Perry for the first time in 22 years. Fuck him. The restaurant is akin to what is was circa 1986. 81? No. 83? No. 86? Absolutely. Perry was the guy that initially fucked up and began the demise of the "restaurant" and you know it, Frank.


There is absolutely nothing Perry could have done to Journey that would compare to what Schon and Cain did during Augeri's tenure. Nothing. Nada. Zippo. Case closed.


Categorically incorrect. Journey's catalog sales exploded while they continued to tour with Augeri. Just look at the numbers. A LOT of positives came out of the Augeri years (Did I just say that? :lol: )...save album sales. And I'm certainly not going to let one lipped tour overshadow Perry shelving the band, pimping Journey out for Street Talk/Motown tunes and destroying the Chalfant/Rolie lineup. Firing Herbie wasn't exactly classy either.
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Postby brywool » Fri Jun 27, 2008 5:18 am

Weird how the same question gets asked every day here. He might return. He might not.
I highly doubt it. Weird. Must just be new posters or something.

Andrew had a thing the other day saying that "Perry will NEVER return". In caps. It sounded like had inside info on that.

Not sure what good it does to ask the same thing over and over again... :roll:

... Oh, and firing Herbie was THE dumbest move they've ever made. Thanks Steve.
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Postby Irwin M Fletcher » Fri Jun 27, 2008 5:19 am

brywool wrote:why do folks keep asking the same question every day here? He might return. He might not. I highly doubt it, yet the question gets asked daily. Weird. Must just be new posters or something.

Andrew had a thing the other day saying that "Perry will NEVER return". In caps. Not sure what good it does to ask the same thing over and over again... :roll:


hi, im new, i didn't realise people were so touchy about perry and journey over here,lol. ill be sticking to the toto post :D
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Postby Michigan Girl » Fri Jun 27, 2008 5:21 am

If people don't like the "DAILY QUESTION" Maybe they shouldn't read it, eh????
Not like it was a secret until they popped in!!! :wink:
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Postby Matthew » Fri Jun 27, 2008 5:21 am

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EightyRock wrote:
Saint John wrote:Journey doesn't need Perry for the first time in 22 years. Fuck him. The restaurant is akin to what is was circa 1986. 81? No. 83? No. 86? Absolutely. Perry was the guy that initially fucked up and began the demise of the "restaurant" and you know it, Frank.


There is absolutely nothing Perry could have done to Journey that would compare to what Schon and Cain did during Augeri's tenure. Nothing. Nada. Zippo. Case closed.


Categorically incorrect. Journey's catalog sales exploded while they continued to tour with Augeri. Just look at the numbers. A LOT of positives came out of the Augeri years (Did I just say that? :lol: )...save album sales. And I'm certainly not going to let one lipped tour overshadow Perry shelving the band, pimping Journey out for Street Talk/Motown tunes and destroying the Chalfant/Rolie lineup. Firing Herbie wasn't exactly classy either.



No...the back catalogue sales exploded during the band's hiatus between 1987-1996 after when Herbie Herbert got to work on it. And it was Perry who oversaw the back catalogue reissues, compilation album and classic DVDs duting the Augeri years.
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Postby Michigan Girl » Fri Jun 27, 2008 5:23 am

brywool wrote:why do folks keep asking the same question every day here? He might return. He might not. I highly doubt it, yet the question gets asked daily. Weird. Must just be new posters or something.

Andrew had a thing the other day saying that "Perry will NEVER return". In caps. Not sure what good it does to ask the same thing over and over again... :roll:

... and firing Herbie was THE dumbest move they've ever made. Thanks Steve.



I wasn't aware that SP is still calling the shots???? :wink:
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Postby conversationpc » Fri Jun 27, 2008 5:23 am

brywool wrote:... and firing Herbie was THE dumbest move they've ever made. Thanks Steve.


Agreed.
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Postby Playitloudforme » Fri Jun 27, 2008 5:23 am

Irwin M Fletcher wrote:
bluejeangirl76 wrote:Jesus Frank... that was... absolutely beautiful. I shed a tear. (though my fit of laughter)


strangegrey wrote:Sorry, to me, I see a failing franchise.....Perry coming back, aint going to improve shit....what incentive does perry have to return to a franchise that schlong and fucka have been pissing on for 12 years?


He doesn't. Who the hell would want to see such a reunion at this point in time?
I wouldn't. That would be just sad and sorry. A "failing franchise" is spot on.

I'm not going to be arrogant enough to say "Perry wouldn't do it anyway" or "he has too much integrity" because I don't know him. But I don't think he would. I don't think anyone in their RIGHT mind would, not after watching what this band did to itself.


c'mon, everyone would want to see perry rejoin journey! but would it be the same? probably not.


I would agree that a HUGE chunk of the fanbase out there (the non-MR-know-it-alls) would love to see Perry rejoin. Shoot, so many still think he IS part of the band.

But in truth, nah....wont happen. As it has been said the stone isn't just cracked, it's pulverized. Perry doesn't need the drama, Neal wouldnt want to give up the helm now that he has it. Perry doesn't need the money, and since they aren't on speaking terms, save through lawyers, it is highly doubtful.

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Postby Tito » Fri Jun 27, 2008 5:24 am

strangegrey wrote:Let's ask this question of the original poster.

Lets assume you were a co-owner in a restaurant. The restaurant was setup as a partnership and you were one of 3 owners. The other two owners, due to disagreements on how the restaurant should be run, pushed you out.

You agreed to disolve the partnership, and you gave public notice of your departure....the remaining two owners, reformed the partnership and started restructuring the business in a very distasteful way. The moved, what was a fantastically successful italian restaurant with a high income bracket clientele, to a seedy part of town. They started selling pizza out of a cutout window on the street. The back alley was a frequent stop for drug addicts and homeless bums looking for handouts and thrown away, half eaten bread. Approximately 3% of the original high income bracket restaurant customers still patronize the place...but do so out of nostalgia for the old place (which was beyond compare). The 3% of those that still patronize the place, even though they drive past crack houses and dive bars to get to the new restaurant, refuse to accept reality....thinking someday, the restaurant will come back, stronger than ever....and the place will restore all the old feelings....nevermind the crack viles and needles they have to step over to get into the front door. Never mind that the water they serve at the tables is now light brown, instead of clear. Nevermind the fact that the portions are 1/2 what they used to be and that the food doesn't taste the same. They figure...same name...a few of the same owners....it'll be back...and I'll have my memories of this fantastic place back too! :roll:

The problem is, 97% of the original clientele has moved on....found a better restaurant in a nice part of town, without crack addicts and bums. They're actually eating fillet mignon and fried calamari at their new favorite restaurant, instead of eating fried clams bought from white castle and placed on a plate and served in the shithole, like the stuck-in-the-past 3% that are desperate for a return to the glory days of the restaurant.

It's safe to say the 2 remaining owners drove the restaurant into the fucking ground, with bad management and shitty atmosphere. If they 2 partners finally get it through their heads and offer the original first partner an amazing deal to return, so that the restaurant can improve...tell, me, what amount of incentive or money would intice the original owner??? given the fact that the restaurant is a shithole, will never amount to anything more than a slightly better shithole....and the potential for profits are only as good as any restaurant's profits in a crack infested, bum-laden part of town!?

When instead, the former owner can invest his money in a nice part of town, startup a slamming, hip restaurant....and make alot more money?


Sorry, to me, I see a failing franchise.....Perry coming back, aint going to improve shit....what incentive does perry have to return to a franchise that schlong and fucka have been pissing on for 12 years?



At least, I'm sure they would have a nice website for the place. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby Irwin M Fletcher » Fri Jun 27, 2008 5:25 am

Michigan Girl wrote:If people don't like the "DAILY QUESTION" Maybe they shouldn't read it, eh????
Not like it was a secret until they popped in!!! :wink:


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Postby brywool » Fri Jun 27, 2008 5:25 am

Michigan Girl wrote:If people don't like the "DAILY QUESTION" Maybe they shouldn't read it, eh????
Not like it was a secret until they popped in!!! :wink:


well, it's just strange that it just keeps coming up over and over and over again...
Yeah, yer right.

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Postby Matthew » Fri Jun 27, 2008 5:27 am

conversationpc wrote:
brywool wrote:... and firing Herbie was THE dumbest move they've ever made. Thanks Steve.


Agreed.



Why was it the dumbest move? The most disloyal..the most ruthless...sure, I can understand that...but why was signing up with the most powerful manager in the industry a dumb move?
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Postby Saint John » Fri Jun 27, 2008 5:29 am

brywool wrote:... Oh, and firing Herbie was THE dumbest move they've ever made. Thanks Steve.


Not if you're trying to destroy something...then it's the smartest. :wink:
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Postby brywool » Fri Jun 27, 2008 5:30 am

Saint John wrote:
brywool wrote:... Oh, and firing Herbie was THE dumbest move they've ever made. Thanks Steve.


Not if you're trying to destroy something...then it's the smartest. :wink:


From the same mind that replaced Steve Smith (STEVE FREAKIN' SMITH PEOPLE!) with Michael Baired?????

Ughghghghghghg
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Postby Matthew » Fri Jun 27, 2008 5:33 am

brywool wrote:
Saint John wrote:
brywool wrote:... Oh, and firing Herbie was THE dumbest move they've ever made. Thanks Steve.


Not if you're trying to destroy something...then it's the smartest. :wink:


From the same mind that replaced Steve Smith (STEVE FREAKIN' SMITH PEOPLE!) with Michael Baired?????

Ughghghghghghg



Good to see the friends of mediocrity getting on like a house on fire....
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Postby brywool » Fri Jun 27, 2008 5:35 am

Matthew wrote:
conversationpc wrote:
brywool wrote:... and firing Herbie was THE dumbest move they've ever made. Thanks Steve.


Agreed.



Why was it the dumbest move? The most disloyal..the most ruthless...sure, I can understand that...but why was signing up with the most powerful manager in the industry a dumb move?


The most powerful manager in the industy? In 96? Is that a fact. Herbie had enjoyed a buttload of success as had Journey. I think he was fired because he had Perry's number.
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Postby Matthew » Fri Jun 27, 2008 5:38 am

brywool wrote:
Matthew wrote:
conversationpc wrote:
brywool wrote:... and firing Herbie was THE dumbest move they've ever made. Thanks Steve.


Agreed.



Why was it the dumbest move? The most disloyal..the most ruthless...sure, I can understand that...but why was signing up with the most powerful manager in the industry a dumb move?


The most powerful manager in the industy? In 96? Is that a fact. Herbie had enjoyed a buttload of success as had Journey. I think he was fired because he had Perry's number.



I think he had Perry's number right from the start, Brywool. And Azoff had just overseen the Eagles reunion so was on something of a career high...which Herbert wasn't.

I'm not saying that I agree with the decision to fire Herbert. I just don't think it's especially hard to understand why they - and yes I mean THEY - fired him.
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Postby Michigan Girl » Fri Jun 27, 2008 5:40 am

Yeah, Cain made the call!!!! He made ALL the calls!!! :wink: :D


(but he didn't want to) :wink:
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Postby brywool » Fri Jun 27, 2008 5:52 am

Matthew wrote:

Good to see the friends of mediocrity getting on like a house on fire....


What the hell does that mean? Because I (and many others) are of the opinion that Perry royally screwed Journey over and don't sit waiting for him like some kid thats dad went out for a paper and never came back, that makes my opinion less valid? Whatever. Maybe instead of reading your old 16 Magazine's about what Steve's favorite color is and what he likes on a date, you should check the facts.

The fact is Perry f*cked Journey during ROR by firing 2 key members and bailing on their tour. The fact is he 'was toast' (dumbest quote in rock and roll) then proceeds to record a solo album that was never released (thankfully because the tracks that came out on gh5 stunk). The fact is, he was never going to tour with TBF though he let everyone think he was. The fact is once the band started going down the Rollie Reunion Road, Perry killed that. For a guy that seems to be everybody's favorite vocalist (including my own), they sure cut him a lot of slack for killing their favorite band.

The guy had amazing talent both as a writer and especially as a singer. Whether he can still sing, I'm sure he can but nowhere hear the quality that he could. But as a human being, loyalty doesn't seem to be one of his strong points. I could say the same about Neal and Cain, though I think with Arnel, they've made a great choice even though they handled JSS and Augeri like crap. But they've tried to keep the band going. Perry he just "thinks about doing something. someday. maybe."


whatever, keep waiting. Oh, by the way, there is no Easter Bunny. Hate to burst your bubble.
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