OT: Palin and McCain... Fact versus Reality

[conversationpc]

I'm not making a fool of myself. I wasn't suggesting the Democrats weren't equally to blame. But people are smart enough to know it's not just one party or the other...it's both, the whole system. Most people know about the 60-40 rule.

Then we agree.

[RedWingFan]

Yeah, proof positive of a media bias if you ask me.

The AP has ZERO business publishing such a one sided smear piece like this. Especially when it's so-called facts weren't fact checked themselves...

How about this from the unbiased Katie Couric interviewing Minn. Gov. Tim Pewlenty.

K.C. "Do you worry that her selection might be a turnoff to some wavering democrats and independents who might consider supporting for John McCain?"

T.P. "Women who are worried about breaking through that glass ceiling are going to look at her life story and relate to her life story in ways that go beyond the abortion issue."

K.C. "And do you think her story will trump experience?"

T.P. "I think her story in part IS experience. She's got more experience as you know than Barack Obama, so I don't think that's going to be a strong argument."

K.C. "Well that's according to Republican talking points, I think the Democrats would disagree with that."

T.P. "Well Katie I think those are also facts..."

Way to stay neutral Katie. What a joke!

[The_Noble_Cause]

Way to stay neutral Katie. What a joke!

You mean Katie Couric, the host of the CBS Evening News, which on two occassions now has selectively edited McCain interview responses so he doesn't look bad?
They're def. in the tank.
Its just not for the side you're thinking.

[RedWingFan]

Way to stay neutral Katie. What a joke!

You mean Katie Couric, the host of the CBS Evening News, which on two occassions now has selectively edited McCain interview responses so he doesn't look bad?
They're def. in the tank.
Its just not for the side you're thinking.

More media matters or Keith Olberman?
Olberman needs to concentrate on editing himself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cmVW-4sc6U
100% wrong! No credibility.

[RedWingFan]

When you hear Couric utter the words, "well according to Democratic talking points" Please let me know.

[WIX]

She had me at Hello !!

[The_Noble_Cause]

More media matters or Keith Olberman?

The cutting room floor footage which featured McCain getting his facts wrong (which CBS then conveniently swapped for other footage) got sent far and wide. MM and Olbermann reported on it. Sure. Most news sources did.

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2008/07/di ... consp.html

Olberman needs to concentrate on editing himself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cmVW-4sc6U
100% wrong! No credibility.

It's a "special comment", an op-ed saved for the tail end of the show and it is specified as such.
Doesn't mean a thing.

[7 Wishes]

I've said it before and I'll say it again: the "left wing media bias" is a COMPLETE fabrication of the right. It goes hand in hand with the victimization complex. It was pretty pathetic how Huckabee droned on and on about it last night.

[RedWingFan]

It's a "special comment", an op-ed saved for the tail end of the show and it is specified as such.
Doesn't mean a thing.

He was wrong just like Harry Reid and virtually every other democrat. They invested in the defeat of the United States and they're gonna pay in November.
I guess it "doesn't mean a thing" if one doesn't care about credibility.

[RedWingFan]

I've said it before and I'll say it again: the "left wing media bias" is a COMPLETE fabrication of the right. It goes hand in hand with the victimization complex. It was pretty pathetic how Huckabee droned on and on about it last night.

If there wasn't a media bias. The era of Limbaugh would have never been possible. There would have been no need for him.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I've said it before and I'll say it again: the "left wing media bias" is a COMPLETE fabrication of the right. It goes hand in hand with the victimization complex. It was pretty pathetic how Huckabee droned on and on about it last night.

Of course it is. Nixon started it in the 70s.
The worst part is, instead of focusing on corporate journalism's true failings (which effects everyone), they choose to ascribe every jot and tittle to conspiratorial liberal strawmen that don't even exist.
Scott McCellan said it best (regarding Iraq).."the 'liberal media' didn't live up to its reputation. If it had, the country would have been better served."

[The_Noble_Cause]

He was wrong just like Harry Reid and virtually every other democrat. They invested in the defeat of the United States and they're gonna pay in November.
I guess it "doesn't mean a thing" if one doesn't care about credibility.

If its not part of the actual news, and is designated as such, I don't see the issue.
As for the consequence of "the surge", who cares?
The only silver lining is less people dying.
It does very little to rectify the house-of-cards basis upon which the policy stands.
"Fight 'em over there" is little more than a new fangled way of shouting "domino effect."

[RedWingFan]

Barack Obama 1/10/07 - "I am not persuaded that 20,000 additional troops in Iraq is gonna solve the sectarian violence there, in fact I think it'll do the reverse"

Thanks for your input Barack, now please go back to Chicago where your "present" votes do us no harm. Thanks.

[S2M]

Perhaps Dr. Oliver Sachs can prescribe some L-Dopa for all you illogical, fucked-up conservatives so you can awaken from your comas.

Can any of you generate original thought? All you do is cite this one, and that one.....

No wonder this country just regressed 200 years in the past 8.....Your poster child was in charge!

[Monker]

I've said it before and I'll say it again: the "left wing media bias" is a COMPLETE fabrication of the right. It goes hand in hand with the victimization complex. It was pretty pathetic how Huckabee droned on and on about it last night.

If there wasn't a media bias. The era of Limbaugh would have never been possible. There would have been no need for him.

If there were no Limbaugh, there would be no Michael Moore. There would be no 'need' for him.

That sounds pretty damn stupid doesn't it?

The 'need' for Limbaugh and Moore come from biased idiots who have a deep desire to have someone to agree with...no matter how biased, partison, and ridiculous that opinion is.

[RedWingFan]

The only people stupid enough to blame the Democrats for the logjam in Washington are the troglodytes who hail Rush LImbaugh's verbal diarrhea as gospel.

"Democrats are offering a new direction, putting the common good of all Americans first for a change, and will make health care more affordable, lower gas prices, help working families, cut college costs, ensure dignified retirement - do it all in a fiscally sound way." Nancy Pelosi 6/26/06.

Jan '07 Democrats gain control of Congress. Avg. gas price- $2.32
Mar '07 - $2.64
May '07 - $3.17
Nov '07 - $3.12
Mar '08 - $3.30
May '08 - $3.81
July '08 - $4.10

[RedWingFan]

I've said it before and I'll say it again: the "left wing media bias" is a COMPLETE fabrication of the right. It goes hand in hand with the victimization complex. It was pretty pathetic how Huckabee droned on and on about it last night.

If there wasn't a media bias. The era of Limbaugh would have never been possible. There would have been no need for him.

If there were no Limbaugh, there would be no Michael Moore. There would be no 'need' for him.

That sounds pretty damn stupid doesn't it?

Yeah, it does sound pretty stupid seeing how Michael Moore launched his career smearing General Motors in "Roger & Me." You wouldn't sound as stupid if you'd typed, "If there'd been no General Motors then there would be no Michael Moore."

[Monker]

Barack Obama 1/10/07 - "I am not persuaded that 20,000 additional troops in Iraq is gonna solve the sectarian violence there, in fact I think it'll do the reverse"

Thanks for your input Barack, now please go back to Chicago where your "present" votes do us no harm. Thanks.

To bad we were forced into the "surge" because so many brainless idiots jumped on the bandwagon in support of a war we didn't need to fight. Our leaders then faultered and did not follow through and bring true security to the country we invaded, toppled the government, created civil war, and managed chaos in for years.

McCain was right about the 'surge'. However, the 'surge' should have never been needed. The war should have never happened. After the incompetent decision was made to invade, we should have known to follow through...but the chicken-hawks in the White House had no clue what they were doing.

[RedWingFan]

Barack Obama 1/10/07 - "I am not persuaded that 20,000 additional troops in Iraq is gonna solve the sectarian violence there, in fact I think it'll do the reverse"

Thanks for your input Barack, now please go back to Chicago where your "present" votes do us no harm. Thanks.

To bad we were forced into the "surge" because so many brainless idiots jumped on the bandwagon in support of a war we didn't need to fight. Our leaders then faultered and did not follow through and bring true security to the country we invaded, toppled the government, created civil war, and managed chaos in for years.

McCain was right about the 'surge'. However, the 'surge' should have never been needed. The war should have never happened. After the incompetent decision was made to invade, we should have known to follow through...but the chicken-hawks in the White House had no clue what they were doing.

I'm sorry to report to you that we are just a few years from getting our troops out with a W for the USA instead of the L that Harry Reid claimed. And we will be far below the 10,000 bodybags to take Baghdad that was predicted before we went in by the media. Sorry.

[Monker]

Perhaps Dr. Oliver Sachs can prescribe some L-Dopa for all you illogical, fucked-up conservatives so you can awaken from your comas.

As compared to the illigical, fucked up, LIBERALS in congress who had no courage to stand up against the President because it did not meet their political needs? They ALSO had a chance to end the stupidity before it began but they were too afraid of being labeled as non-patriotic, hating the military, and whatever other BS their political opposition would throw at them to win the next election.

[S2M]

Barack Obama 1/10/07 - "I am not persuaded that 20,000 additional troops in Iraq is gonna solve the sectarian violence there, in fact I think it'll do the reverse"

Thanks for your input Barack, now please go back to Chicago where your "present" votes do us no harm. Thanks.

To bad we were forced into the "surge" because so many brainless idiots jumped on the bandwagon in support of a war we didn't need to fight. Our leaders then faultered and did not follow through and bring true security to the country we invaded, toppled the government, created civil war, and managed chaos in for years.

McCain was right about the 'surge'. However, the 'surge' should have never been needed. The war should have never happened. After the incompetent decision was made to invade, we should have known to follow through...but the chicken-hawks in the White House had no clue what they were doing.

I'm sorry to report to you that we are just a few years from getting our troops out with a W for the USA instead of the L that Harry Reid claimed. And we will be far below the 10,000 bodybags to take Baghdad that was predicted before we went in by the media. Sorry.

Wrong! We have not accomplished ONE thing while in Iraq. Not one.

[Monker]

The only people stupid enough to blame the Democrats for the logjam in Washington are the troglodytes who hail Rush LImbaugh's verbal diarrhea as gospel.

"Democrats are offering a new direction, putting the common good of all Americans first for a change, and will make health care more affordable, lower gas prices, help working families, cut college costs, ensure dignified retirement - do it all in a fiscally sound way." Nancy Pelosi 6/26/06.

Jan '07 Democrats gain control of Congress. Avg. gas price- $2.32
Mar '07 - $2.64
May '07 - $3.17
Nov '07 - $3.12
Mar '08 - $3.30
May '08 - $3.81
July '08 - $4.10

Oh, please, a few weeks ago the people on this forum were blaming oil futures investors, or whatever, now that it is closer to the election, it's gotta be the Democrats, or Republicans.

What a bunch of crap.

You want someone to blame? Blame every member of congress, and every President, since the first gasoline crisis in the 70's. We had over 30yrs to get over our oil addiction, and only now we realize how much of a mistake it is to rely on oil from the middle east. Seems to me like you are acting like an addict on withdrawal, looking for his next high....blaming everybody but yourself for your own problem.

[Monker]

I've said it before and I'll say it again: the "left wing media bias" is a COMPLETE fabrication of the right. It goes hand in hand with the victimization complex. It was pretty pathetic how Huckabee droned on and on about it last night.

If there wasn't a media bias. The era of Limbaugh would have never been possible. There would have been no need for him.

If there were no Limbaugh, there would be no Michael Moore. There would be no 'need' for him.

That sounds pretty damn stupid doesn't it?

Yeah, it does sound pretty stupid seeing how Michael Moore launched his career smearing General Motors in "Roger & Me." You wouldn't sound as stupid if you'd typed, "If there'd been no General Motors then there would be no Michael Moore."

Point is, people listen to his crap because they have a need to hear opinions that they agree with. It's no different with Rush. If his listeners had brains, they'd be able to think for themselves...they are no different then Michael Moore fans, it's just the opinions that are different.

[RedWingFan]

Wrong! We have not accomplished ONE thing while in Iraq. Not one.

I just wanted to get rid of all the other stuff and let someone else knock this one out of the park. If you really believe that than you don't have two brain cells to rub together.

[Monker]

I'm sorry to report to you that we are just a few years from getting our troops out with a W for the USA instead of the L that Harry Reid claimed. And we will be far below the 10,000 bodybags to take Baghdad that was predicted before we went in by the media. Sorry.

And, I am sorry to report to you that I argued with Dean on this very forum that McCain was right about sending more troops, and if we needed to put a US soldier on every street corner in Iraq in order to end the violence, then that is what we should do.

So, I am glad you agree that I am right and my plan worked. I'm sure McCain must read my posts to this forum to come up with such brilliant ideas that work soooo well.

[Monker]

Wrong! We have not accomplished ONE thing while in Iraq. Not one.

Yes we have. We have accomplished being distracted from our failed actions in Afghanistan.

[RedWingFan]

Point is, people listen to his crap because they have a need to hear opinions that they agree with. It's no different with Rush. If his listeners had brains, they'd be able to think for themselves...they are no different then Michael Moore fans, it's just the opinions that are different.

Actually it's quite different. The majority of Rush's airtime is playing clips from the news and giving a counterpoint. Michael Moore picks a subject films a bunch of crap and splices it together to support his "documentary" before he's called out or "satire" after he's called out.

[S2M]

Wrong! We have not accomplished ONE thing while in Iraq. Not one.

Yes we have. We have accomplished being distracted from our failed actions in Afghanistan.

Failed actions? How about abandoned, ignored actions....lol

The right is always citing the things we have done since being in Iraq. But the thing that isn't mentioned is all the WMDs we've confiscated, and destroyed in the name of manly, dick-waving U.S. supreme- police squad for the world.

When the right realizes that the main point after 9/11 was just to get the go ahead/backing to go INTO Iraq, then they'll finally be using their collective brain cells. Once there, it was open season to take a load off and occupy that nation....while fleecing the U.S. taxpayers, and every now and then claiming that they captured the number 2 in Al Quaeda....Memo: There can only be ONE number 2. FEAR can do wonderous things for a campaign, and an administration.

[conversationpc]

It's a "special comment", an op-ed saved for the tail end of the show and it is specified as such.
Doesn't mean a thing.

Let me translate..."Oops! You caught me. Olbermann's an idiot and I can't admit it here!"

[The_Noble_Cause]

Let me translate..."Oops! You caught me. Olbermann's an idiot and I can't admit it here!"

What am I to admit?
That Olbermann, along with numerous fired generals and the Baker-Hamilton commission, are not entitled to their own opinion?
In hopes that the blood of the fallen will now magically accrue to your party as cheap political points just in time for the election?
Filthy fucking pigs.