What Direction Will Journey Take Next Album After Revelation

by **Saint John** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 3:56 am

AJ wrote:My only question here is: Will Walmart want them?

Without a doubt!

AJ wrote: I know Revelation was a success, but how much of that was people buying it when they saw the hits on it?

Very little/none.

AJ wrote: Hopefully they'll realize how good the new stuff was and will just let them release a totally new CD. IF that's the case, would it only cost 5-6 bucks since 2 CD's and a DVD was 10.88?

A new CD and DVD "Journey: Live In Manila" has an awfully nice ring to it!!! :wink:

$8.88 would be a nice price.

by **jrnyman28** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 3:58 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:Cain's cookie-cutter formula has run it's course, I think.

God, SO TRUE!! My biggest complaints on Revelation AND Arrival come from Jon Cain's input....

Maybe Arnel's input will be the catalyst Neal needs?

by **jrnyman28** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 4:01 am

Gunbot wrote:
StoneCold wrote:
Gunbot wrote:I wouldn't expect anything new from the band until next fall at the earliest. I also expect a straight up one disc release. What could you put on a second cover disc to make it an impulse buy?

Want put a wager on it? I'll bet they have a new cd out before July next year.

In addition to a new cd, I wouldn't mind if they included a covers of other peoples stuff. As Rush did with Feedback and DL on Yeah!

Done right and with some varied tracks, that could be a great disc.

The stuff on Revelation was recorded when, around Nov. maybe? Album hit in June. When are they going to record this year, Jan. or Feb.? It would be a pleasant surprise if something comes out this summer but personally, I would not want something rushed or loaded with covers unless it's other people's hits. No more Journey covers, let's be original please.

Well, it certainly could be done if the band is working up any of the new material during the tour. But we haven't heard anything about that. Rick Springfield's new CD is fantastic and completed in something like 36 days. I think the biggest time-consumption comes from the post-production. Kevin is a busy man...and it apparantly takes time to make Journey sound good!

by **Saint John** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 4:09 am

jrnyman28 wrote: Kevin is a busy man...and it apparantly takes time to make Journey sound good!

With all due respect to Kevin Shirley, these songs actaully sound better live.

by **jrnyman28** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 4:23 am

Saint John wrote:
jrnyman28 wrote: Kevin is a busy man...and it apparantly takes time to make Journey sound good!

With all due respect to Kevin Shirley, these songs actaully sound better live.

Yeah, but we are talking on record!

by **Don** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 4:26 am

Have any other big name artists had followup albums with Walmart, or has it been one and done so far?

by **jrnyman28** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 4:46 am

One and done so far. Eagles was the first, and I doubt we will see another from them. I don't remember all the "exclusives". REO did one more than a year ago but I doubt we will see any follow-up from them. Most of the releases have all been in less than a year...no time for a follow-up yet.

by **mikemarrs** » Wed Sep 17, 2008 7:36 am

everything has some sort of twist or something unique thrown in these days and i'm wondering what journey will think of with this next one they release.could it be a covers album? maybe something like bon jovi did where they take old songs in the catalog and completely revamp them in a new way?
they'll think of something i'm sure....

by **mikemarrs** » Fri Sep 26, 2008 6:37 pm

wonder if kevin shirley will produce the next journey album which will hopefully be out sometime during 2009.

,better yet i wonder if they might release a live album from this tour....

by **Tito** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 12:28 am

They'll probably go in the direction of the Top 5 again.

by **Saint John** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 1:19 am

Tito wrote:They'll probably go in the direction of the Top 5 again.

lol

by **Ehwmatt** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 1:51 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:As consistent as 'Revelation' is, nothing on it even remotely touches Higher Place.
If Schon needs to write with Blades to pick up the lyrical slack, so be it.
Cain's cookie-cutter formula has run it's course, I think.

We don't agree often but I agree that Higher Place is the strongest song Journey has recorded post-SP. I still like Arrival the best out of all the post-SP stuff, with Revelation coming in a close second.

Cain's plinky piano formula does need some refining. I'd love to see a mix of the "modern" Journey sound (think Never Too Late, Never Walk Away, Wildest Dreams) with a bit of the "classic" sound brought back (think anything from Sweet and Simple to Winds of March). A return to the prog feel of the first 3 albums is out of the question at this point, so I'm thinkin classic in the sense of vintage Perry. Do they have that in them with Cain? Not sure,...

by **ProgRocker53** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 5:48 am

I think they'll be influenced by Latin rhythms. :lol:

by **Saint John** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 5:50 am

ProgRocker53 wrote:I think they'll be influenced by Latin rhythms.

lol...not that shit again!!!

by **Don** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 5:52 am

Ehwmatt wrote:
The_Noble_Cause wrote:As consistent as 'Revelation' is, nothing on it even remotely touches Higher Place.
If Schon needs to write with Blades to pick up the lyrical slack, so be it.
Cain's cookie-cutter formula has run it's course, I think.

We don't agree often but I agree that Higher Place is the strongest song Journey has recorded post-SP. I still like Arrival the best out of all the post-SP stuff, with Revelation coming in a close second.

Cain's plinky piano formula does need some refining. I'd love to see a mix of the "modern" Journey sound (think Never Too Late, Never Walk Away, Wildest Dreams) with a bit of the "classic" sound brought back (think anything from Sweet and Simple to Winds of March). A return to the prog feel of the first 3 albums is out of the question at this point, so I'm thinkin classic in the sense of vintage Perry. Do they have that in them with Cain? Not sure,...

I agree. Higher place is the biggest standout to me in the post Perry era. I could totally picture Perry singing it.

by **Jana** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 6:00 am

Neal said he wanted to rock out more in the next album, maybe only two ballads next time. He said Arnel agrees with him. I'm sure Jonathan would want more ballads. Of, course, women usually love the ballads. It should be interesting how it shakes out. I agree with Ehwmatt's idea for the sound. That would be great. I would like to see a nod to the Rolie period, but probably won't see it.

by **S2M** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 6:06 am

Maybe they should hire Flava Flav. Throw in a few samples of other songs. A scratch here, and beat there. Couple of sirens. Some militant security guards for the stage Show....That would be some Dope Shit... Worked for P.E. THEY are in the HOF.

Just sayin'.......

by **stevew2** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 6:23 am

I really like there sound on Change for the Better.Classic buzzing keyboard sounds, no Friga piano plocking.That song has everything,Arnel is all over the place on it to.

by **The Sushi Hunter** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 1:18 pm

Good question and something I am really looking forward to. Someone mentioned that Arnel would be helping out with the song writing in the next album. So of course I'm really excited to hear what he contributes.

I am very fond of the Philippines and my friends there and all, but I really won't be excited to hear Tagalog on a Journey album though. An interesting concept however would be if Journey were to release some specific tracks only in the Philippines that would be in Tagalog. I think that would be cool for the fans in the Philippines.

by **Don** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 2:13 pm

The Sushi Hunter wrote:Good question and something I am really looking forward to. Someone mentioned that Arnel would be helping out with the song writing in the next album. So of course I'm really excited to hear what he contributes.

I am very fond of the Philippines and my friends there and all, but I really won't be excited to hear Tagalog on a Journey album though. An interesting concept however would be if Journey were to release some specific tracks only in the Philippines that would be in Tagalog. I think that would be cool for the fans in the Philippines.

Even filipinos don't release songs in tagalog half the time. If Journey does that, they need to turn in their Rock and Roll card. OPM from Journey would be like them doing covers of Air Supply, they would become dickless.

by **mdaemon** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 2:44 pm

brywool wrote:I hope they don't do any covers. It'd be nice to not hear people say "oh their success is based on the fact that they covered older material" which I think is total BS. I DO hope they add another DVD to whatever they release and I think all classic rock bands should do this. I could care less if it's another live DVD or not. It's a bonus and I'd still watch it. The Vegas DVD is great, I've watched it a bunch already.

SJ- When you say Arnel's penned some great songs, where are those?

Here are the songs that Arnel wrote or co-wrote:

# "Iiyak Ka Rin" (You Will Cry Also) (Pineda, Arnel) - 4:29
# "Free Bird" (Pineda, Arnel) - 4:16
# "Mi Vida, Mi Amor" (My Life, My Love) (Pineda, Arnel) - 4:10
# "For My Own Good" (Pineda, Arnel) - 3:45
# Paumanhin, words & music: Arnel Pineda
# So Wrong, words & music: Arnel Pineda, arranged by Monnette Cajipe
# Manhid, words & music: Arnel Pineda, arranged by Monnette Cajipe
# Soulmate, words & music: Arnel Pineda, arranged by Monnette Cajipe
# Too Satisfied, lyrics & vocal melody: Arnel Pineda, arranged & composed by Mark Valiente
# Hiling, words & music: Arnel Pineda, original arrangement: Mark Valiente/Arnel Pineda, alternative arrangement: Monnette Cajipe

... to be honest, among the songs above, I've only listened to "Too Satisfied" on youtube which I really like. I've asked my brother to get me Arnel's albums but it looks like it got lost in the post as it's been 2 months.

by **Pstburp** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 9:57 am

I think they'll be influenced by filipini rhythms.

by **Rick** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 10:01 am

Pstburp wrote:I think they'll be influenced by filipini rhythms.

They might be crazy not to, but I think they will stay within the Journey formula.

by **Pstburp** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 10:07 am

http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=1BVIXsMVqSA

FILIPINO MUSIC

by **Pstburp** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 10:09 am

http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=tY8qeSL8p ... re=related

Arnel sisters with filipino hats

by **artist4perry** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 10:14 am

stevew2 wrote:I really like there sound on Change for the Better.Classic buzzing keyboard sounds, no Friga piano plocking.That song has everything,Arnel is all over the place on it to.

Hey! I love his piano "plocking"! LOL! Sets my toes to curling! Stevew2 as much as you love da ladies, think how they react to his piano "plocking"! Piano sounds better than synthasizers anyday in my book!

by **Don** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 10:20 am

With all the Filipinos in the States, Tony winner Lea Salonga hasn't sold shit here in America and it's not from lack of trying. Journey just needs to stick to the formula that let them sell over 50 million albums with Steve Perry. If their next album is their swansong, I don't want it to be some sappy Jose Mari Chan stuff. :lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhUuCAht ... re=related

by **The_Noble_Cause** » Sun Sep 28, 2008 10:36 am

Unless they have more Arrival rejects floating around, I just don't see Cain and Schon penning enough new material for a whole album.
Would love to be proven wrong.

by **ProgRocker53** » Mon Sep 29, 2008 12:43 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:Unless they have more Arrival rejects floating around, I just don't see Cain and Schon penning enough new material for a whole album.
Would love to be proven wrong.

You're proven wrong by Cain's home computer, which according to Jeremey contains "over 300" songs in various states of completion.

And knowing Neal, he's got a lot of stuff in the tank too.

by **EightyRock** » Mon Sep 29, 2008 1:34 am

mikemarrs wrote:wonder if kevin shirley will produce the next journey album which will hopefully be out sometime during 2009. ,better yet i wonder if they might release a live album from this tour....

Try asking KS. He's a pretty straight up dude, and I doubt if it's a secret.

MR

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