OT: Bush Now Least Popular President In History

[squirt1]

Lord ! now I have misspelled misspelled. Good night.

[Lula]

Lord ! now I have misspelled misspelled. Good night.

lol

sweet dreams

[Carrington]

I am watching Bush meet Obama for the first time live on CNN. Bush doesn't look too happy to meet him.

Bush deserves his unpopularity. He has wrecked our economy and our standing in the world.

How has he wrecked our economy?

Oh boy, let me answer this one! I'll try to keep it brief.

You see, back in the 70's, Bush single handedly created the Community Reinvestment Act. Using blackmail and other evil means at his disposal, he strong armed all the Democrats to vote for it. Bush greatly expanded on it in the 90's using the same strong arm tactics, much the dismay and protest of the Democrats who were clearly against any program that smelled like an entitlement program.

Bush then appointed a close confidant and trusted friend Franklin Raines to run Fannie Mae. Bush and Raines together in calusion, they gave billions and billions in bad loans to people who clearly couldn't afford them. Again, the Democrats were screaming in protest at the top of their lungs to stop the madness but nobody listened, they were a lone voice in the wilderness.

Bush still needed another lackey so he appointed Barney Frank's boyfriend Herb Moses to a top spot in Fannie Mae. His sole purpose was to help carry out the eeevil plan along with Franklin Raines. Barney Frank protested this clearly was a conflict of interest but Bush didn't care, his diabolical plan must go forward!

As the 2000's wore on, Bush's plan to wreck the economy continued to take shape. Democrats continued to protest the wreckless lending but by this point, nothing was going to stop Bush from single handedly wrecking the economy.

Bush's plan came to fruition around September of 2008 when Fannie & Freddie spectacularly imploded, taking the American economy down with them.

Mission accomplished!

How's that?

LOL..perfect!

Agreed.......perfect!.....

[Skylorde]

Skylorde- You are correct. I will add Clinton never saw Osama Bin Ladin as a threat when Sudan offered him. IDIOT President preoccupied ........ After 9/11 George took it to them. Now many Al Quida are on the run and slaughtered in many countries. G W Bush woke up the world to terrorists. I am not thrilled by some of his desicions, but Congress are the real culprits in charge. Please ck some of Clintons appointees ! Especially the Fanny Mae/Freddie Mac. But Congress ordered banks to make those unqualified loans. It was to their voter base and now we all pay. We will be at war with Islamic RADICALS for the rest of my life and yours and your grandchildren !

It really galls me to even think about defending that world class jackass. I probably despise Bush more than most people here but for valid and factual reasons, not just a convenient target to blame for every fucking little thing just because he's become the left's favorite whipping boy.

Bush failed in so many ways I can't even fucking count. He's got nobody to blame but himself for the mistakes he's truly responsible for.

[Lula]

Bush failed in so many ways I can't even fucking count. He's got nobody to blame but himself for the mistakes he's truly responsible for.

what mistakes do you hold him responsible for?

[RossValoryRocks]

Bush failed in so many ways I can't even fucking count. He's got nobody to blame but himself for the mistakes he's truly responsible for.

what mistakes do you hold him responsible for?

Blown chances at being a fiscal conservative, not fighting either war correctly, not listening to his military advisors, not cutting pork, not (seemingly) to know he CAN veto shit.

Those are just a few, but they are a good start.

[Skylorde]

Bush failed in so many ways I can't even fucking count. He's got nobody to blame but himself for the mistakes he's truly responsible for.

what mistakes do you hold him responsible for?

He promised and delivered the exact opposite of;

Small government
Fiscal responsibility
Secure borders
Sound foreign policy

That's the short list. In addition, we have the following short list of cluster fucks;

Patriot act
Big business at the expense of the middle class
Security and Prosperity Partnership
Department of Homeland Security
Dubai ports deal (thankfully thwarted)

Lastly, I used to think it was impossible that Bush lied about the intelligence used to justify Iraq. Although the administration was obviously wrong, I assumed they must have believed in the intelligence at the time.

I came to realize a few years ago I was 1/2 wrong. The Neo-cons who had his ear played him like a fiddle. Bush isn't the diabolical evil person he's made out to be. He's too FUCKING STUPID to be that deceptive. The most likely scenario, I believe, is he gulped down everything the neo-cons fed him like a good little lap dog.

[hoagiepete]

It scares me to death what the media can do to someone. GW set himself up on a tee to be hit several times, but man...it is some scary shit when they (media) work in tandem for a cause. I had a mentor long ago that said "never get in an argument with someone that buys ink by the barrel" and I have taken that to heart my entire career. They can destroy anyone.

So, let me get this straight...You're now saying that the media controls how the president is viewed and not what he does while he holds the office? If that's your premise, it's fucking stupid! Contrary to some of the sarcastic and dopey comments that the world blames W. for causing AIDS, and the WTC bombings in 93, I don't blame W. for everything. I honestly think he had a lot of help. That said, he is the CEO of the country, and should ABSOLUTELY, take most of the blame. If Obama doesn't deliver on his promises, his feet will be held to the fire as well. People who defend W. and make it sound like this guy is one our better presidents really need to pull their head out of their anus and look around! I'm confident when presidential historians look back at W.'s presidency, he won't rank in the top 35 presidents we've ever had.


John from Boston

Before you start calling me fucking stupid...I think the media does have control as to how anyone they want to attack is viewed. I think I made the analogy that Bush "teed himself up" for much of it. I could never defend all that he has done...or not done. There has been plenty of bashing on him, not much I can add. I was calling out the fucked up media. If history proves Bush was as bad as many believe, so be it. I'm just saying that his approval rating is not this low because Americans have done in depth investigating and research on what Bush actually did in office. They drink the media's cool ade. The media leads everyone to believe it is ALL his fault.

The media has forsaken most journalistic fundamentals. They editorialize constantly and call it news. They rarely report on both sides of an issue. Ask poor Hillary about the reporting during the primaries (God...did I just sound sympethic to her... ). The media has been calling for a recession long before there was one. They did everything the could to talk us into one. The media has not reported the Iraq war fully. I have several buddies that have come back saying all the great things we are doing over and I have not heard that from the media at all. We hear the bad shit. I guess American's don't want to hear about the accomplishments over there. I could go on, but am growing weary. Read or hear much about what REALLY caused the current banking crisis in the mainstream press?

If you think the media has no impact on how America views things and that they don't have an agenda, you'd better look in the fuckin mirror before you start calling people out.

[treetopovskaya]

the media caters to the left. that is a fact. if people don't believe that it's because they don't want to.

[S2M]

the media caters to the left. that is a fact. if people don't believe that it's because they don't want to.

You have an uncanny ability to state the obvious. The media is in the business of REPORTING things. Whether it is of detriment to the parties involved, or not. They are interested in the story. They suck every ounce of life out of a story. Sensationalize it. And when you think it is done - they squeeze that last bit of essense out of it.

The right is in the business of deception, and omission. So I wouldn't blame you for thinking that the media sides with the left. When the media reports something that outs something the repubs are trying to hush, or course that benefits the left....and leaves you thinking the media is all about the left.

[Rick]

the media caters to the left. that is a fact. if people don't believe that it's because they don't want to.

You have an uncanny ability to state the obvious. The media is in the business of REPORTING things. Whether it is of detriment to the parties involved, or not. They are interested in the story. They suck every ounce of life out of a story. Sensationalize it. And when you think it is done - they squeeze that last bit of essense out of it.

The right is in the business of deception, and omission. So I wouldn't blame you for thinking that the media sides with the left. When the media reports something that outs something the repubs are trying to hush, or course that benefits the left....and leaves you thinking the media is all about the left.

I thought it was because the right is just so plain old vanilla boring.

[AlteredDNA]

the media caters to the left. that is a fact. if people don't believe that it's because they don't want to.

You have an uncanny ability to state the obvious. The media is in the business of REPORTING things. Whether it is of detriment to the parties involved, or not. They are interested in the story. They suck every ounce of life out of a story. Sensationalize it. And when you think it is done - they squeeze that last bit of essense out of it.

The right is in the business of deception, and omission. So I wouldn't blame you for thinking that the media sides with the left. When the media reports something that outs something the repubs are trying to hush, or course that benefits the left....and leaves you thinking the media is all about the left.

An Obama Tilt in Campaign Coverage - http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 95_pf.html

[treetopovskaya]

i was basically agreeing with hoagie. }:C)

[hoagiepete]

i was basically agreeing with hoagie. }:C)

Sorry to drag you down, but thanks for agreeing with me though!

[treetopovskaya]

http://pajamasmedia.com/edgelings/2008/ ... ia-bubble/

[Enigma869]

I'm just saying that his approval rating is not this low because Americans have done in depth investigating and research on what Bush actually did in office.

Yeah...because it really takes a whole lot of "investigating" to come to the conclusion that W. has been an incompetent fuck for most of the past 8 years!

The media has been calling for a recession long before there was one. They did everything the could to talk us into one.

So now the recession is the media's fault? This is one of the most idiotic things I've ever read in my life! If you really believe that, you're a dope! Following this moronic logic, the media should start reporting that house sales are up and property values are skyrocketing! I'm sure it would all become a reality as soon as the media started reporting on it! I'm sure the media is also responsible for all the banks going out of business, the U.S. Auto industry going broke, and the unemployment rate skyrocketing!

The media has not reported the Iraq war fully. I have several buddies that have come back saying all the great things we are doing over and I have not heard that from the media at all. We hear the bad shit. I guess American's don't want to hear about the accomplishments over there.

Perhaps Americans are too distracted by all the coffins that keep coming home! I don't care if our military is nation building in Iraq. It doesn't change the fact that we had and have no right being in that country!

If you think the media has no impact on how America views things and that they don't have an agenda, you'd better look in the fuckin mirror before you start calling people out.

I never suggested that the media doesn't have any impact. You seem to be suggesting that people don't have a fucking brain and the ability to form their own opinions. Obviously people get most of their information from the media. I'm not sure where else you think they should get their information. I'm quite sure that's where most of yours comes from as well, unless you and W. are breaking bread together and he's giving you insider information.


John from Boston

[treetopovskaya]

john... hoagie's point is that the media is bias. you don't agree? anyone who is truthful with themselves has to see that they are in fact bias & they do have an agenda... to favor the left. they surely had an agenda during the prez campaign... to get obama elected.

[Lula]

Perhaps Americans are too distracted by all the coffins that keep coming home! I don't care if our military is nation building in Iraq. It doesn't change the fact that we had and have no right being in that country!



John from Boston

bush said no to any images depicting the cost of this illegal occupation. we have not seen any coffins coming home.

i know you're trying to give bush credit

[treetopovskaya]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_bias ... ted_States



2008 Presidential election

A poll of likely 2008 United States presidential election voters released on March 14, 2007 by Zogby International reports that 83 percent of those surveyed believe that there is a bias in the media, with 64 percent of respondents of the opinion that this bias favors liberals and 28 percent of respondents believing that this bias is conservative. In August of 2008 the Washington Post ombudsman wrote that the Post had published almost three times as many page 1 stories about Barack Obama than it had about John McCain since Obama won the Democratic party nomination that June. In September of 2008 a Rasmussen poll found that 68 percent of voters believe that "most reporters try to help the candidate they want to win." Forty-nine (49) percent of respondents stated that the reporters are helping Barack Obama to get elected, while only 14 percent said the same regarding John McCain. A further 51 percent said that the press was actively "trying to hurt" Republican Vice Presidential nominee Sarah Palin with negative coverage. In October 2008, The Washington Post media correspondent Howard Kurtz reported that Sarah Palin was again on the cover of Newsweek, "but with the most biased campaign headline I've ever seen."

[Skylorde]

Perhaps Americans are too distracted by all the coffins that keep coming home! I don't care if our military is nation building in Iraq. It doesn't change the fact that we had and have no right being in that country!

John from Boston

John I completely agree with you. On the same token, did we have a right to be in Somalia? Bosnia?

Anyone who argues "The UN gave their blessing on Somalia and Bosnia" can go pound sand

[treetopovskaya]

does this mean when obama takes office we'll see these images?

Perhaps Americans are too distracted by all the coffins that keep coming home! I don't care if our military is nation building in Iraq. It doesn't change the fact that we had and have no right being in that country!



John from Boston

bush said no to any images depicting the cost of this illegal occupation. we have not seen any coffins coming home.

i know you're trying to give bush credit

[rubyglare]

Bottom line - his policies have led to not being attacked again after 9-11, when it seemed very likely that we would.

WRONG! whatever happened to the anthrax-killer? That happened in October 2001, it was a long time ago, so maybe that's why you didn't remember........

[treetopovskaya]

wow... one month after 9/11. that was domestic... done by our own people.

the patriot act wasn't a law yet. i don't believe.

Bottom line - his policies have led to not being attacked again after 9-11, when it seemed very likely that we would.

WRONG! whatever happened to the anthrax-killer? That happened in October 2001, it was a long time ago, so maybe that's why you didn't remember........

[The_Noble_Cause]

wow... one month after 9/11. that was domestic... done by our own people.

Then why was McCain, along with others hawks, so quick to pin the anthrax on Iraq?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlAUj4s6sT0

[The_Noble_Cause]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_bias_in_the_United_States



2008 Presidential election

A poll of likely 2008 United States presidential election voters released on March 14, 2007 by Zogby International reports that 83 percent of those surveyed believe that there is a bias in the media, with 64 percent of respondents of the opinion that this bias favors liberals and 28 percent of respondents believing that this bias is conservative. In August of 2008 the Washington Post ombudsman wrote that the Post had published almost three times as many page 1 stories about Barack Obama than it had about John McCain since Obama won the Democratic party nomination that June. In September of 2008 a Rasmussen poll found that 68 percent of voters believe that "most reporters try to help the candidate they want to win." Forty-nine (49) percent of respondents stated that the reporters are helping Barack Obama to get elected, while only 14 percent said the same regarding John McCain. A further 51 percent said that the press was actively "trying to hurt" Republican Vice Presidential nominee Sarah Palin with negative coverage. In October 2008, The Washington Post media correspondent Howard Kurtz reported that Sarah Palin was again on the cover of Newsweek, "but with the most biased campaign headline I've ever seen."

Who cares?
I've read right wing rantings that Zogy (not to mention Wikipedia) is co-opted by subversive anti-American elements.
The shibboleth, "liberal media", is just a convenient way to make up facts as you go along.

[The_Noble_Cause]

the media caters to the left. that is a fact. if people don't believe that it's because they don't want to.

That, or they've actually worked at a corporate bureaucracy greater than a hotdog stand.
The least of Comcast or GE's worries is "gee, how can we make this more liberal."

[hoagiepete]

I never suggested that the media doesn't have any impact. You seem to be suggesting that people don't have a fucking brain and the ability to form their own opinions. Obviously people get most of their information from the media. I'm not sure where else you think they should get their information. I'm quite sure that's where most of yours comes from as well, unless you and W. are breaking bread together and he's giving you insider information.


John from Boston

You continue to ignore my points, take them out of context or blow them out of proportion to an extreme never stated. I give. If you are with the media, I apologize, didn't mean to offend.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Bottom line - his policies have led to not being attacked again after 9-11,

Fairly easy when you toss the Constitution out of the window.
I'll reserve praise for the president who traded neither liberty or security.

when it seemed very likely that we would.

Based on what?
9-11 was five years in the making.

[treetopovskaya]

he said it MAY have come from iraq. this was ONE month after 9/11. no one knew what was going on. what was coming from where.

wow... one month after 9/11. that was domestic... done by our own people.

Then why was McCain, along with others hawks, so quick to pin the anthrax on Iraq?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlAUj4s6sT0

[The_Noble_Cause]

he said it MAY have come from iraq. this was ONE month after 9/11. no one knew what was going on. what was coming from where.

Just a random guess, huh?
Couldn't possibly have been the first din of the drumbeat to war, right?
Nah, forget it.
I keep forgetting Bush invaded Iraq as a last option.