FTLOSM

[Arianddu]

Who are you people?

We're the people going 'round and 'round to different places... or possibly the people that you want to know...

[finalfight]

I thought it was a brilliant fuckin album. I waited and waited by the radio in my studio apartment as they were supposed to be debuting "You Better Wait," and I had read on AOL that some ham and egger had heard the song and it had an a capella beginning and was 100% Perry all the way. So when those first vocal harmonies came in I was floored. I waited and bought the CD and played it every second of every day. I looked at Perry as an elder who seemed weary by his worldly experience, and I felt if I just absorbed those melodies and messages I could somehow learn from osmosis what he meant in the whole cosmos of things.

Understand I had NEVER heard a new Journey or Perry CD when this record came out. I had LIVED on Journey's releases since Time 3, and it seemed as though finally the world was right. When I heard "Anyway," I was convinced that a new legacy was about to be reborn, and I remember listening to those SPIN messages from Jon Cain's studio as they wrote the new record, and how excited I was. When the single "When You Love A Woman" came out, I bought it at Walmart while on my way to a sales call and listened in the parking lot, and I actually had tears in my eyes during the song because I felt that things had actually fallen into place.

How young, naive, and misinformed I must have been at the time. Regardless. FTLOSM is a classic record that grooves too darkly and too deeply to be written off as a musical one-off, and I know that Perry tried in his way to make things right with Sony and the band, but he really just found himself jumping on that roller coaster one more time.....The Eagles made it look so clean and easy. When the real world settled down on his shoulders it was really a totally different story.

One of my faves too, have you ever performed that one?

Only at my house, with LarryNext Door laying down the geetar tracks. No such recording exists anymore.

Perry songs attemtpted by Frontiers:

Foolish Heart
Oh Sherrie
Strung Out
Then there was a song with an odd bridge from FTLSOM....Young Hearts Forever, covered while I was in the band Altura.

Oh and I did Missing You by myself, and I want Frontiers to cover "One More Time" from YBW+5 that I lost and have no copy of to learn from.

You also recorded some amazing vocals for a version of 'You Better Wait'...

FF. you are absolutele right. It was YOU BETTER WAIT

...and 'Missing You'. Both incredible. I still have the mp3's in my Jeremey folder!

[tammy]

Was just listening to the CD during the long driving last weekend...and, this song, "Tuesday heartache" always gets multiple repeat: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LCvHxBe7b4

[Since 78]

Who are you people?

We're the people going 'round and 'round to different places... or possibly the people that you want to know...

Lets do a duet!

[annie89509]

It was a vocally solid, but boring, album. The music is what makes the album shit. The magic of Journey simply wasn't there and record sales and radio play showed that.

As opposed to what, the record sales and radio play of Arrival?

It's all relative.

Has nothing to do with sales or airplay, just good versus bad songs. I listen to FTLOSM maybe once a year and the songs I like, I have have on my play list. Arrival, I play all the time. Just a superior album.

I was going to somewhat agree with SJ that, although vocally outstanding, the album content is too dark, therefore kind of boring. As opposed to ST, which was upbeat and had attitude. But, you know, I think he was just writing to mirror that phase of his life (like he said once: "I wear my heart on my sleeve. What you see is what you get." Which is why I so much want to hear new music, to see where he is at the present time in his life. Oh well, maybe he just doesn't want to open himself like that anymore.

As for Arrival being superior to FTLOSM, I don't agree with that at all. For sure, two different kinds of albums. FTLOSM was vocally challenging with feeling; Arrival was cookie-cutter generic. (imo)

[escapefan]

I love FTLOSM CD. I agree with Annie, he writes from his soul. May have been an extremely dark time in his life. We all have those times. I love his vocals and lyrics on this CD. He did what he wanted to do. He had been headed down that path for a while. His music was evolving into SP music, not Journey music.

How can you compare it to Arrival? That is a Perryless Journey. I can see comparing it to something he was involved with Journey, but not a CD that he wasn't involved with. Don't hang me out to dry here.. Was he involved with Arrival or any of the songs on it?

[Saint John]

I think Dan wasn't talking about quality relative to sort-of concurrent releases by others,
but rather, relative to what Journey (with Perry) once put out --

Bingo.

[Michigan Girl]

Yup, I've always thought that album was pretty solid. I'm still not sure whether or not I like the changes made to the intro of "You Better Wait" from the original release versus the '06 remaster. The fade in is cool and all, but part of me still digs the original's power.

Agreed!!!
I love FTLOSM

[Deb]

I thought it was a brilliant fuckin album. I waited and waited by the radio in my studio apartment as they were supposed to be debuting "You Better Wait," and I had read on AOL that some ham and egger had heard the song and it had an a capella beginning and was 100% Perry all the way. So when those first vocal harmonies came in I was floored. I waited and bought the CD and played it every second of every day. I looked at Perry as an elder who seemed weary by his worldly experience, and I felt if I just absorbed those melodies and messages I could somehow learn from osmosis what he meant in the whole cosmos of things.

Understand I had NEVER heard a new Journey or Perry CD when this record came out. I had LIVED on Journey's releases since Time 3, and it seemed as though finally the world was right. When I heard "Anyway," I was convinced that a new legacy was about to be reborn, and I remember listening to those SPIN messages from Jon Cain's studio as they wrote the new record, and how excited I was. When the single "When You Love A Woman" came out, I bought it at Walmart while on my way to a sales call and listened in the parking lot, and I actually had tears in my eyes during the song because I felt that things had actually fallen into place.

How young, naive, and misinformed I must have been at the time. Regardless. FTLOSM is a classic record that grooves too darkly and too deeply to be written off as a musical one-off, and I know that Perry tried in his way to make things right with Sony and the band, but he really just found himself jumping on that roller coaster one more time.....The Eagles made it look so clean and easy. When the real world settled down on his shoulders it was really a totally different story.

One of my faves too, have you ever performed that one?

Only at my house, with LarryNext Door laying down the geetar tracks. No such recording exists anymore.

Perry songs attemtpted by Frontiers:

Foolish Heart
Oh Sherrie
Strung Out
Then there was a song with an odd bridge from FTLSOM....Young Hearts Forever, covered while I was in the band Altura.

Oh and I did Missing You by myself, and I want Frontiers to cover "One More Time" from YBW+5 that I lost and have no copy of to learn from.

That would be cool to hear. That song amazes me every time I hear it. The vocal feeling in that one is just stunning. That is one song that technical ability has nothing to do with......that one is pure emoting power.

[brywool]

It was a vocally solid, but boring, album. The music is what makes the album shit. The magic of Journey simply wasn't there and record sales and radio play showed that.

As opposed to what, the record sales and radio play of Arrival?

It's all relative.

Radio play and sales ranks do NOT indicate what's good. Otherwise "Oh Mickey" would be ranked right up there with Pink Floyd's "The Wall". I hate when people equate sales to quality. It's RARELY the case. Was "Babe" the best Styx song because it was number 1 and the others weren't? Nt by a freakin mile. It was actually one of their worst tunes.

Not really sure why people can't just talk about either Journey's work or Perry's without comparing the two. They're different pretty different. "My dad can beat up your dad...". Puhlease.

The FTLOSM album SOUNDS amazing. Great recording. Great production. There are one of two songs that are brilliant, but mostly, it's a pretty mediocre album. "Tuesday Heartache" is one of my most unfavorite Perry tracks ever but "Donna Please" is one of my favorites. Great lyrics on that tune. "Young Hearts Forever" is also a throwaway track, but "Listen to Your Heart" is very cool. Great groove on that track. I don't think the album sucks, but it's not a 'classic album' by any means and it's lacking in a lot of places. I prefer the sound of it to Street Talk but I think the writing on Street Talk was better, though I think "Foolish Heart" blows. Boring, loungy tune. Blech. Hated it from the moment I first heard it and couldn't believe that it was a Perry tune. That album could've used more songs like "Strung Out". I even like the Muscle Shoals thing he did as a flip side to "Only For the Moment Girl" (another song that bored the hell outta me) better than "Foolish Heart".
Like every artist, he's uneven. Oh well. He did have some magic moments though.
Wonder if he'll ever have another one?

[brywool]

trying to edit my post... won't let me.

You Better Wait was a great track, BTW. Wish he'd left off the very beginning and just started with those harmonies. Jeremey's right, floored when I heard it. But I was let down by a lot of the rest of the album. Still listened to it a billion times though.

[Saint John]

FTLOSM was largely rejected by Journey fans. When I ask most Journey fans why they didn't like the album they reply "Because it sucked." My sentiments exactly. I didn't waste a penny of my money on that album.

[Deb]

Radio play and sales ranks do NOT indicate what's good. Otherwise "Oh Mickey" would be ranked right up there with Pink Floyd's "The Wall". I hate when people equate sales to quality. It's RARELY the case. Was "Babe" the best Styx song because it was number 1 and the others weren't? Nt by a freakin mile. It was actually one of their worst tunes.

Shhhh, Saint John might here ya. You don't want him marching in here with his stats arguments.

I prefer the sound of it to Street Talk but I think the writing on Street Talk was better, though I think "Foolish Heart" blows. Boring, loungy tune. Blech. Hated it from the moment I first heard it and couldn't believe that it was a Perry tune. That album could've used more songs like "Strung Out".

Agreed. I don't hate Foolish Heart, just doesn't stand out for me either. Not like Strung Out, I Believe and Captured By The Moment......love those.

[Saint John]

Shhhh, Saint John might here ya. You don't want him marching in here with his stats arguments.

You're completely misconstruing what I've said in the past. It's no surprise that timeless efforts like Escape and Frontiers moved a shitload of copies...they're simply that good. It's also no wonder that FTLOSM didn't sell shit...it wasn't worth a fuck. And for the record, my "stats" argument was to dowse your flaming panties regarding everything Soto. Furthermore, it was to suppress your amazement that the guy has never had radio play or a hit...despite having monstrous exposure opportunities several times. That speaks for itself.

[Onestepper]

Shhhh, Saint John might here ya. You don't want him marching in here with his stats arguments.

You're completely misconstruing what I've said in the past. It's no surprise that timeless efforts like Escape and Frontiers moved a shitload of copies...they're simply that good. It's also no wonder that FTLOSM didn't sell shit...it wasn't worth a fuck. And for the record, my "stats" argument was to dowse your flaming panties regarding everything Soto. Furthermore, it was to suppress your amazement that the guy has never had radio play or a hit...despite having monstrous exposure opportunities several times. That speaks for itself.

And here we go.....

I saw JSS the other night by the way. He was great. Sorry, no pics.

[Deb]

Shhhh, Saint John might here ya. You don't want him marching in here with his stats arguments.

You're completely misconstruing what I've said in the past. It's no surprise that timeless efforts like Escape and Frontiers moved a shitload of copies...they're simply that good. It's also no wonder that FTLOSM didn't sell shit...it wasn't worth a fuck. And for the record, my "stats" argument was to dowse your flaming panties regarding everything Soto. Furthermore, it was to suppress your amazement that the guy has never had radio play or a hit...despite having monstrous exposure opportunities several times. That speaks for itself.

Then answer me this then oh wise one. To take something from Bry's post, why did "Oh Mickey" sell millions? Was it simply that good?!

-1

Not misconstruing anything, your argument has all kinds of holes in it. There are lots of VERY talented singers nowhere near as popular as they should be and there are alot of NO talent singers way more popular than they should be.

[(Crazy)Dulce Lady]

Shhhh, Saint John might here ya. You don't want him marching in here with his stats arguments.

You're completely misconstruing what I've said in the past. It's no surprise that timeless efforts like Escape and Frontiers moved a shitload of copies...they're simply that good. It's also no wonder that FTLOSM didn't sell shit...it wasn't worth a fuck. And for the record, my "stats" argument was to dowse your flaming panties regarding everything Soto. Furthermore, it was to suppress your amazement that the guy has never had radio play or a hit...despite having monstrous exposure opportunities several times. That speaks for itself.

And here we go.....

I saw JSS the other night by the way. He was great. Sorry, no pics.

there are TONS of videos of JSS with TSO at youtube. many are posted downstairs.

pardon.

I love FTLOSM. period.

Lincoln Brewster has a new cd out--and instructional dvd. go to his myspace

[Deb]

And here we go.....

I saw JSS the other night by the way. He was great. Sorry, no pics.

Great show isn't it. Good to see ya survived the inlaws.

[Onestepper]

And here we go.....

I saw JSS the other night by the way. He was great. Sorry, no pics.

Great show isn't it. Good to see ya survived the inlaws.

Yep, it's the holiday season alright

I've seen him now with J and TSO, so I'd like to see a solo show at some point.

[Rick]

And here we go.....

I saw JSS the other night by the way. He was great. Sorry, no pics.

Great show isn't it. Good to see ya survived the inlaws.

Yep, it's the holiday season alright

I've seen him now with J and TSO, so I'd like to see a solo show at some point.

His solo show is killer. If you get the chance, go.

[Jana]

Shhhh, Saint John might here ya. You don't want him marching in here with his stats arguments.

You're completely misconstruing what I've said in the past. It's no surprise that timeless efforts like Escape and Frontiers moved a shitload of copies...they're simply that good. It's also no wonder that FTLOSM didn't sell shit...it wasn't worth a fuck. And for the record, my "stats" argument was to dowse your flaming panties regarding everything Soto. Furthermore, it was to suppress your amazement that the guy has never had radio play or a hit...despite having monstrous exposure opportunities several times. That speaks for itself.

Then answer me this then oh wise one. To take something from Bry's post, why did "Oh Mickey" sell millions? Was it simply that good?!

-1

Not misconstruing anything, your argument has all kinds of holes in it. There are lots of VERY talented singers nowhere near as popular as they should be and there are alot of NO talent singers way more popular than they should be.

Deb, isn't that the truth about no talent performers. Britney Spears hasn't sung live in years. She's all over TV right now, and they're showing her shows with songs where the voice is a computer-generated sound and she's lip-synching and doing bad dance moves or just walking around, and she's getting all this publicity . It floors me.

[Don]

What defines good? If I can do work around the house bebopping to Britney or Kajagoogoo Hasn't the music fulfilled its purpose. If your daughter is doing her homework with the headphones on and singing along to Nsync, then the music is doing what it's supposed to, be an entertainment or relaxation tool. Everybody uses Britney as an example of a talentless hack but people buy her music and they continue to listen to it even after a few weeks. The girl still has to go out there, exercise learn the dance routines, tour and perform. I'm pretty sure that stuff isn't as easy as it looks. if there is an audience for what she's selling then she should get what she can out of it and adapt when the trends change. Bon Jovi, U2 and some other acts didn't roll over when Grunge came in, the changed the way they did business and matched up a new sound to what was going on in the market. The acts that suffered are the ones that couldn't get out of the 80's and believed their stuff was so good that people would eventually see the light and come back to them. Well that didn't happen and that's why these acts are playing the local ribfest because they didn't have the skill or the motivation to adapt their product. I really don't feel for sorry for any of them, and I don't begrudge the new acts for selling what we may think is crap. Remember we weren't to enthralled with what our parents were listening to either and they felt the same about a lot of our music. Doesn't mean any of it was bad, just that we can't feel what the other generation feels.

[Deb]

What defines good? If I can do work around the house bebopping to Britney or Kajagoogoo Hasn't the music fulfilled its purpose. If your daughter is doing her homework with the headphones on and singing along to Nsync, then the music is doing what it's supposed to, be an entertainment or relaxation tool. Everybody uses Britney as an example of a talentless hack but people buy her music and they continue to listen to it even after a few weeks. The girl still has to go out there, exercise learn the dance routines, tour and perform. I'm pretty sure that stuff isn't as easy as it looks. if there is an audience for what she's selling then she should get what she can out of it and adapt when the trends change. Bon Jovi, U2 and some other acts didn't roll over when Grunge came in, the changed the way they did business and matched up a new sound to what was going on in the market. The acts that suffered are the ones that couldn't get out of the 80's and believed their stuff was so good that people would eventually see the light and come back to them. Well that didn't happen and that's why these acts are playing the local ribfest because they didn't have the skill or the motivation to adapt their product. I really don't feel for sorry for any of them, and I don't begrudge the new acts for selling what we may think is crap. Remember we weren't to enthralled with what our parents were listening to either and they felt the same about a lot of our music. Doesn't mean any of it was bad, just that we can't feel what the other generation feels.

Gbot, of course everybody's definition of good is different, but I was mainly talking talent, specifically vocal talent. Britney is mainly for show IMO, where as somebody like Christina Aguilera majorly has the pipes to back it up.

[Michigan Girl]

What defines good? If I can do work around the house bebopping to Britney or Kajagoogoo Hasn't the music fulfilled its purpose. If your daughter is doing her homework with the headphones on and singing along to Nsync, then the music is doing what it's supposed to, be an entertainment or relaxation tool. Everybody uses Britney as an example of a talentless hack but people buy her music and they continue to listen to it even after a few weeks. The girl still has to go out there, exercise learn the dance routines, tour and perform. I'm pretty sure that stuff isn't as easy as it looks. if there is an audience for what she's selling then she should get what she can out of it and adapt when the trends change. Bon Jovi, U2 and some other acts didn't roll over when Grunge came in, the changed the way they did business and matched up a new sound to what was going on in the market. The acts that suffered are the ones that couldn't get out of the 80's and believed their stuff was so good that people would eventually see the light and come back to them. Well that didn't happen and that's why these acts are playing the local ribfest because they didn't have the skill or the motivation to adapt their product. I really don't feel for sorry for any of them, and I don't begrudge the new acts for selling what we may think is crap. Remember we weren't to enthralled with what our parents were listening to either and they felt the same about a lot of our music. Doesn't mean any of it was bad, just that we can't feel what the other generation feels.

Gbot, of course everybody's definition of good is different, but I was mainly talking talent, specifically vocal talent. Britney is mainly for show IMO, where as somebody like Christina Aguilera majorly has the pipes to back it up.

This is so true, Deb.....Britney is a great entertainer, Christina a great singer!!!

[Don]

What defines good? If I can do work around the house bebopping to Britney or Kajagoogoo Hasn't the music fulfilled its purpose. If your daughter is doing her homework with the headphones on and singing along to Nsync, then the music is doing what it's supposed to, be an entertainment or relaxation tool. Everybody uses Britney as an example of a talentless hack but people buy her music and they continue to listen to it even after a few weeks. The girl still has to go out there, exercise learn the dance routines, tour and perform. I'm pretty sure that stuff isn't as easy as it looks. if there is an audience for what she's selling then she should get what she can out of it and adapt when the trends change. Bon Jovi, U2 and some other acts didn't roll over when Grunge came in, the changed the way they did business and matched up a new sound to what was going on in the market. The acts that suffered are the ones that couldn't get out of the 80's and believed their stuff was so good that people would eventually see the light and come back to them. Well that didn't happen and that's why these acts are playing the local ribfest because they didn't have the skill or the motivation to adapt their product. I really don't feel for sorry for any of them, and I don't begrudge the new acts for selling what we may think is crap. Remember we weren't to enthralled with what our parents were listening to either and they felt the same about a lot of our music. Doesn't mean any of it was bad, just that we can't feel what the other generation feels.

Gbot, of course everybody's definition of good is different, but I was mainly talking talent, specifically vocal talent. Britney is mainly for show IMO, where as somebody like Christina Aguilera majorly has the pipes to back it up.

I wasn't singling you out, everybody likes to gripe about Britney. I know Christina's the better vocalist by a mile but Britney has some talent, it just may not be in the singing department. Regardless kids like the sound on her albums and if they get joy out of it, doesn't matter if she is a B or C grade singer.

[treetopovskaya]

my foot's going to speak to your ass. }:C)

Shhhh, Saint John might here ya. You don't want him marching in here with his stats arguments.

You're completely misconstruing what I've said in the past. It's no surprise that timeless efforts like Escape and Frontiers moved a shitload of copies...they're simply that good. It's also no wonder that FTLOSM didn't sell shit...it wasn't worth a fuck. And for the record, my "stats" argument was to dowse your flaming panties regarding everything Soto. Furthermore, it was to suppress your amazement that the guy has never had radio play or a hit...despite having monstrous exposure opportunities several times. That speaks for itself.

[Deb]

Shhhh, Saint John might here ya. You don't want him marching in here with his stats arguments.

You're completely misconstruing what I've said in the past. It's no surprise that timeless efforts like Escape and Frontiers moved a shitload of copies...they're simply that good. It's also no wonder that FTLOSM didn't sell shit...it wasn't worth a fuck. And for the record, my "stats" argument was to dowse your flaming panties regarding everything Soto. Furthermore, it was to suppress your amazement that the guy has never had radio play or a hit...despite having monstrous exposure opportunities several times. That speaks for itself.

Then answer me this then oh wise one. To take something from Bry's post, why did "Oh Mickey" sell millions? Was it simply that good?!

-1

Not misconstruing anything, your argument has all kinds of holes in it. There are lots of VERY talented singers nowhere near as popular as they should be and there are alot of NO talent singers way more popular than they should be.

And just who named you MR panty monitor?!

[Saint John]

Then answer me this then oh wise one. To take something from Bry's post, why did "Oh Mickey" sell millions? Was it simply that good?!

Masses of people seemed to like it...me not being one of them. My point is that at some time after over 20 years, many genres and several monstrous exposure opportunities, and no hits or radio play, one must deduce that said artist is just an average professional singer. Which in itself is quite an accolade. The problem is that you wanna take Chris Chelios' stats and put him in the same breath as Wayne Gretzky and Mario Lemieux. I just come along every now and then to point out how ridiculous that is.

[escapefan]

Bottom line, we are all entitled to our opinion on the subject. I love it. SJ doesn't. So why argue about it. I know what I like, same as SJ knows what he likes.

[Since 78]

Bottom line, we are all entitled to our opinion on the subject. I love it. SJ doesn't. So why argue about it. I know what I like, same as SJ knows what he likes.

Because, this place would be boring as hell!