OT: John Travolta's son passes away

[Arianddu]

By the way, RobbieG - if you are going to quote me, could you at least get the spelling right?

[RobbieG]

What odds the Scientology Conspiracy theories start up about this?

good morning ari...
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This is truly very sad. You can joke about the man's beliefs, but when anyone loses a child, there can possibly be nothing worse. Tragic.

I wasn't joking, and I think it sucks that it will in probability happen. Don't like the guy's choice of 'religion' but I can unfortunately see that people will use this child's death to further their anti-Scientology cause, which is both callous and unneccesary. Sorry if read as a joke - I haven't been awake very long.

Yes it was read as a joke. Does it matter what religion he is. His child passed away, very tragic. Your excuse for the comment is "I havem't been awake very long".

No, my excuse for poor wording is that I hadn't been awake very long when I made the initial post. I'm not particularly verbal first thing. In re-reading it, I could see that it was very open to misinterpretation, hence the second post clarifying my thoughts. I don't make jokes about any family's grief.

"Don't like the guy's choice of religion" " I haven't been awake very long" "I'm not particulary verbal first thing" Maybe you should not have commented at all.

Mabye you need to make a post that has some actual content and commentary, instead of just general negativity without any actual opinion or thought process. Engage the brain - it may make a refreshing change.

Maybe you should have not commented in the 1st place. A family lost there child, very tragic. Does it matter what religion he was. Have you lost anyone??? Please put yourself in there shoes. "Engage the brain" you should thought of that before commenting.

[Arianddu]

I wasn't joking, and I think it sucks that it will in probability happen. Don't like the guy's choice of 'religion' but I can unfortunately see that people will use this child's death to further their anti-Scientology cause, which is both callous and unneccesary. Sorry if read as a joke - I haven't been awake very long.

Yes it was read as a joke. Does it matter what religion he is. His child passed away, very tragic. Your excuse for the comment is "I havem't been awake very long".

No, my excuse for poor wording is that I hadn't been awake very long when I made the initial post. I'm not particularly verbal first thing. In re-reading it, I could see that it was very open to misinterpretation, hence the second post clarifying my thoughts. I don't make jokes about any family's grief.

"Don't like the guy's choice of religion" " I haven't been awake very long" "I'm not particulary verbal first thing" Maybe you should not have commented at all.

Mabye you need to make a post that has some actual content and commentary, instead of just general negativity without any actual opinion or thought process. Engage the brain - it may make a refreshing change.

Maybe you should have not commented in the 1st place. A family lost there child, very tragic. Does it matter what religion he was. Have you lost anyone??? Please put yourself in there shoes. "Engage the brain" you should thought of that before commenting.

Yes, fucker - I have lost my father, infant sister, a baby niece, both grandfathers, two cousins, and over 20 friends, including one of my closest friends in a car crash last year, the same friend who gave me the nick-name I use as my on-line name. I made it very clear - I do NOT make jokes about a family's grief. Now learn to read content instead of sound bites, and fuck off back under the rock you crawled out from under.

[Rick]

What odds the Scientology Conspiracy theories start up about this?

good morning ari...
like 2-1 and beyond.
still at work here...

This is truly very sad. You can joke about the man's beliefs, but when anyone loses a child, there can possibly be nothing worse. Tragic.

I wasn't joking, and I think it sucks that it will in probability happen. Don't like the guy's choice of 'religion' but I can unfortunately see that people will use this child's death to further their anti-Scientology cause, which is both callous and unneccesary. Sorry if read as a joke - I haven't been awake very long.

Yes it was read as a joke. Does it matter what religion he is. His child passed away, very tragic. Your excuse for the comment is "I havem't been awake very long".

No, my excuse for poor wording is that I hadn't been awake very long when I made the initial post. I'm not particularly verbal first thing. In re-reading it, I could see that it was very open to misinterpretation, hence the second post clarifying my thoughts. I don't make jokes about any family's grief.

"Don't like the guy's choice of religion" " I haven't been awake very long" "I'm not particulary verbal first thing" Maybe you should not have commented at all.

Mabye you need to make a post that has some actual content and commentary, instead of just general negativity without any actual opinion or thought process. Engage the brain - it may make a refreshing change.

Maybe you should have not commented in the 1st place. A family lost there child, very tragic. Does it matter what religion he was. Have you lost anyone??? Please put yourself in there shoes. "Engage the brain" you should thought of that before commenting.

Fuck off, troll.

[RobbieG]

I wasn't joking, and I think it sucks that it will in probability happen. Don't like the guy's choice of 'religion' but I can unfortunately see that people will use this child's death to further their anti-Scientology cause, which is both callous and unneccesary. Sorry if read as a joke - I haven't been awake very long.

Yes it was read as a joke. Does it matter what religion he is. His child passed away, very tragic. Your excuse for the comment is "I havem't been awake very long".

No, my excuse for poor wording is that I hadn't been awake very long when I made the initial post. I'm not particularly verbal first thing. In re-reading it, I could see that it was very open to misinterpretation, hence the second post clarifying my thoughts. I don't make jokes about any family's grief.

"Don't like the guy's choice of religion" " I haven't been awake very long" "I'm not particulary verbal first thing" Maybe you should not have commented at all.

Mabye you need to make a post that has some actual content and commentary, instead of just general negativity without any actual opinion or thought process. Engage the brain - it may make a refreshing change.

Maybe you should have not commented in the 1st place. A family lost there child, very tragic. Does it matter what religion he was. Have you lost anyone??? Please put yourself in there shoes. "Engage the brain" you should thought of that before commenting.

Yes, fucker - I have lost my father, infant sister, a baby niece, both grandfathers, two cousins, and over 20 friends, including one of my closest friends in a car crash last year, the same friend who gave me the nick-name I use as my on-line name. I made it very clear - I do NOT make jokes about a family's grief. Now learn to read content instead of sound bites, and fuck off back under the rock you crawled out from under.

Nice vocalbulary, Sorry for your loses. I lost someone recent so it was not a good holiday. Then you should understand to comment about someones lose.

[strangegrey]

Upper level Scientologists believe strongly in reincarnation. They have lost their child, but in their world he will return again in the near future, they just won't know who or where. The finality of his death won't be felt the same way that we. who don't believe in reincarnation or rebirth of the soul would be feeling it.
Of course. it must be a terrible sense of loss to outlive your child.

Perhaps he'll return as a cat...

[Uno_up]

http://www.endthecult.com/2009/01/a-for ... -travolta/

A former high-ranking Scientology insider says that Travolta or his intimates will most likely be blamed for Jett's death as a result of their "negative emotions", as they "pulled the event in".
They will most likely have to pay as much as $1,000 per hour in counseling fees to have the negative emotions resulting from Jett's death (what we call grief) blasted away Scientology-style.

[Arianddu]

I wasn't joking, and I think it sucks that it will in probability happen. Don't like the guy's choice of 'religion' but I can unfortunately see that people will use this child's death to further their anti-Scientology cause, which is both callous and unneccesary. Sorry if read as a joke - I haven't been awake very long.

Yes it was read as a joke. Does it matter what religion he is. His child passed away, very tragic. Your excuse for the comment is "I havem't been awake very long".

No, my excuse for poor wording is that I hadn't been awake very long when I made the initial post. I'm not particularly verbal first thing. In re-reading it, I could see that it was very open to misinterpretation, hence the second post clarifying my thoughts. I don't make jokes about any family's grief.

"Don't like the guy's choice of religion" " I haven't been awake very long" "I'm not particulary verbal first thing" Maybe you should not have commented at all.

Mabye you need to make a post that has some actual content and commentary, instead of just general negativity without any actual opinion or thought process. Engage the brain - it may make a refreshing change.

Maybe you should have not commented in the 1st place. A family lost there child, very tragic. Does it matter what religion he was. Have you lost anyone??? Please put yourself in there shoes. "Engage the brain" you should thought of that before commenting.

Yes, fucker - I have lost my father, infant sister, a baby niece, both grandfathers, two cousins, and over 20 friends, including one of my closest friends in a car crash last year, the same friend who gave me the nick-name I use as my on-line name. I made it very clear - I do NOT make jokes about a family's grief. Now learn to read content instead of sound bites, and fuck off back under the rock you crawled out from under.

Nice vocalbulary, Sorry for your loses. I lost someone recent so it was not a good holiday. Then you should understand to comment about someones lose.

Sorry if you are grieving, you have my sympathy. It's no excuse to behave like a fucking troll, however. And yes, I use the word 'fuck' a lot when I am annoyed. I also know how to spell the word 'vocabulary' and the difference between 'loss' and 'lose'.
Try learning to read for full content instead of random phrases; it makes life a lot easier and people are less inclined to be pissed off by your ignorant responses.

[bluejeangirl76]

Can we knock it off with the bitching? I mean seriously, grow up.
That was not my intent was in starting this.

Its a very sad story and who cares about the family's beliefs. Death sure as hell doesn't care what religion we are or aren't. Can't we just take a minute to think about the Travolta family, or pray for them, for those that do that, without the usual trolls and ridiculous bitching about nothing coming up?

[Jana]

Can we knock it off with the bitching? I mean seriously, grow up.
That was not my intent was in starting this.

Its a very sad story and who cares about the family's beliefs. Death sure as hell doesn't care what religion we are or aren't. Can't we just take a minute to think about the Travolta family, or pray for them, for those that do that, without the usual trolls and ridiculous bitching about nothing coming up?

Well said. I was just read an interview by John Travolta from a couple years ago. In that interview the main thrust of it was how much his children were everything to him, and they wanted to have another one because they loved small children in the house. He talked about how he would be happy if his children married and had children but all still lived together because he looked forward to being a grandfather and hated the idea of his children not being around. So sad.

[Arianddu]

Can we knock it off with the bitching? I mean seriously, grow up.
That was not my intent was in starting this.

Its a very sad story and who cares about the family's beliefs. Death sure as hell doesn't care what religion we are or aren't. Can't we just take a minute to think about the Travolta family, or pray for them, for those that do that, without the usual trolls and ridiculous bitching about nothing coming up?

You are right, and I am sorry. I think it's a shame that there will be people who will ignore this family's grief to further their own beef with Scientology, and when someone twisted what I said to make it look as though I said the opposite, I got annoyed. They do have my sympathy, and my hope is that they will be left to grieve, and not subject to sick, callous speculation as to 'what really happened.'

[artist4perry]

Bottom line a child has died, suddenly with no warning. No parent should have to endure that kind of heartache. Rich, poor, famous, or unknown. My mother in law lost her brother 62 years ago to a stupid drunk driver. It has been 62 years and it is as fresh on her mind as if it happened today. She said her father was never the same again. If you have a beef with Scientolagy start a new thread. To go off on that here is no better than what those Babtist loonies do to heckle people at their sons funerals. It is disrespectful.

[artist4perry]

In Ari's defense Robbie, she is a very kind hearted person. I don't think she meant any disrespect or harm.

[Uno_up]

Its a very sad story and who cares about the family's beliefs.

While it's a terrible situation (no parent should have to experience their child pass), you can't discount that the families beliefs may have contributed to his death; therefore, I do think there is certainly a problem here. This cult doesn't believe in treatment (meds) that might have prevented this from happening. It's tragic, sad & obscene!

[Blueskies]

What odds the Scientology Conspiracy theories start up about this?

good morning ari...
like 2-1 and beyond.
still at work here...

This is truly very sad. You can joke about the man's beliefs, but when anyone loses a child, there can possibly be nothing worse. Tragic.

I wasn't joking, and I think it sucks that it will in probability happen. Don't like the guy's choice of 'religion' but I can unfortunately see that people will use this child's death to further their anti-Scientology cause, which is both callous and unneccesary. Sorry if read as a joke - I haven't been awake very long.

Yes it was read as a joke. Does it matter what religion he is. His child passed away, very tragic. Your excuse for the comment is "I havem't been awake very long".

No, my excuse for poor wording is that I hadn't been awake very long when I made the initial post. I'm not particularly verbal first thing. In re-reading it, I could see that it was very open to misinterpretation, hence the second post clarifying my thoughts. I don't make jokes about any family's grief.

"Don't like the guy's choice of religion" " I haven't been awake very long" "I'm not particulary verbal first thing" Maybe you should not have commented at all.

Mabye you need to make a post that has some actual content and commentary, instead of just general negativity without any actual opinion or thought process. Engage the brain - it may make a refreshing change.

Maybe you should have not commented in the 1st place. A family lost there child, very tragic. Does it matter what religion he was. Have you lost anyone??? Please put yourself in there shoes. "Engage the brain" you should thought of that before commenting.

Fuck off, troll.

I think thats a miss call on this one, Rick. This poster has been around awhile and I haven't seen any real "troll" behavior....just someone that disagree's with some sometimes and gets emotional about some things on occasion..like maybe you did with this response?

[Blueskies]

In Ari's defense Robbie, she is a very kind hearted person. I don't think she meant any disrespect or harm.

I can see where that post could have been taken the way it was...she screwed up and riled up...cleared it up and said what she really meant by it...now let's all let it go and move along. My condolences go out to the Travolta family for their loss...very sad indeed.

[Rick]

What odds the Scientology Conspiracy theories start up about this?

good morning ari...
like 2-1 and beyond.
still at work here...

This is truly very sad. You can joke about the man's beliefs, but when anyone loses a child, there can possibly be nothing worse. Tragic.

I wasn't joking, and I think it sucks that it will in probability happen. Don't like the guy's choice of 'religion' but I can unfortunately see that people will use this child's death to further their anti-Scientology cause, which is both callous and unneccesary. Sorry if read as a joke - I haven't been awake very long.

Yes it was read as a joke. Does it matter what religion he is. His child passed away, very tragic. Your excuse for the comment is "I havem't been awake very long".

No, my excuse for poor wording is that I hadn't been awake very long when I made the initial post. I'm not particularly verbal first thing. In re-reading it, I could see that it was very open to misinterpretation, hence the second post clarifying my thoughts. I don't make jokes about any family's grief.

"Don't like the guy's choice of religion" " I haven't been awake very long" "I'm not particulary verbal first thing" Maybe you should not have commented at all.

Mabye you need to make a post that has some actual content and commentary, instead of just general negativity without any actual opinion or thought process. Engage the brain - it may make a refreshing change.

Maybe you should have not commented in the 1st place. A family lost there child, very tragic. Does it matter what religion he was. Have you lost anyone??? Please put yourself in there shoes. "Engage the brain" you should thought of that before commenting.

Fuck off, troll.

I think thats a miss call on this one, Rick. This poster has been around awhile and I haven't seen any real "troll" behavior....just someone that disagree's with some sometimes and gets emotional about some things on occasion..like maybe you did with this response?

If I'm wrong, I appologize. But I'm NEVER wrong. j/k

[Jana]

Its a very sad story and who cares about the family's beliefs.

While it's a terrible situation (no parent should have to experience their child pass), you can't discount that the families beliefs may have contributed to his death; therefore, I do think there is certainly a problem here. This cult doesn't believe in treatment (meds) that might have prevented this from happening. It's tragic, sad & obscene!

The problem is you're guessing and jumping to conclusions b/f any facts come out. They believe in medicine, but not psychiatric drugs. You have no clue if they withheld any medicine from the boy, so why make any statements like that unless and until any concrete evidence is known. I have no idea if anti-seizure medicine is believed in by Scientologists. But people die all the time from seizures that are on medicine, lots of medicine, and their seizures still aren't controlled completely. An actress' son who was on anti-seizure medicine had one and happened to be standing by a pool, when no one was around, and fell in and drowned.

The boy might have been on medication but still had a seizure and, unfortuntely, hit his head on the tub while seizing. Thus, a tragic accident. I will give them the benefit of the doubt during this painful time, unless something to the contrary comes out by a reputable news organization.

[Blueskies]

What odds the Scientology Conspiracy theories start up about this?

good morning ari...
like 2-1 and beyond.
still at work here...

This is truly very sad. You can joke about the man's beliefs, but when anyone loses a child, there can possibly be nothing worse. Tragic.

I wasn't joking, and I think it sucks that it will in probability happen. Don't like the guy's choice of 'religion' but I can unfortunately see that people will use this child's death to further their anti-Scientology cause, which is both callous and unneccesary. Sorry if read as a joke - I haven't been awake very long.

Yes it was read as a joke. Does it matter what religion he is. His child passed away, very tragic. Your excuse for the comment is "I havem't been awake very long".

No, my excuse for poor wording is that I hadn't been awake very long when I made the initial post. I'm not particularly verbal first thing. In re-reading it, I could see that it was very open to misinterpretation, hence the second post clarifying my thoughts. I don't make jokes about any family's grief.

"Don't like the guy's choice of religion" " I haven't been awake very long" "I'm not particulary verbal first thing" Maybe you should not have commented at all.

Mabye you need to make a post that has some actual content and commentary, instead of just general negativity without any actual opinion or thought process. Engage the brain - it may make a refreshing change.

Maybe you should have not commented in the 1st place. A family lost there child, very tragic. Does it matter what religion he was. Have you lost anyone??? Please put yourself in there shoes. "Engage the brain" you should thought of that before commenting.

Fuck off, troll.

I think thats a miss call on this one, Rick. This poster has been around awhile and I haven't seen any real "troll" behavior....just someone that disagree's with some sometimes and gets emotional about some things on occasion..like maybe you did with this response?

If I'm wrong, I appologize. But I'm NEVER wrong. j/k

Well shoot..no ones ever wrong here are they. especially not after a few beerds. but you are usuallyright about much.

[Blueskies]

Its a very sad story and who cares about the family's beliefs.

While it's a terrible situation (no parent should have to experience their child pass), you can't discount that the families beliefs may have contributed to his death; therefore, I do think there is certainly a problem here. This cult doesn't believe in treatment (meds) that might have prevented this from happening. It's tragic, sad & obscene!

The problem is you're guessing and jumping to conclusions b/f any facts come out. They believe in medicine, but not psychiatric drugs. You have no clue if they withheld any medicine from the boy, so why make any statements like that unless and until any concrete evidence is known. I have no idea if anti-seizure medicine is believed in by Scientologists. But people die all the time from seizures that are on medicine, lots of medicine, and their seizures still aren't controlled completely. An actress' son who was on anti-seizure medicine had one and happened to be standing by a pool, when no one was around, and fell in and drowned.

The boy might have been on medication but still had a seizure and, unfortuntely, hit his head on the tub while seizing. Thus, a tragic accident. I will give them the benefit of the doubt during this painful time, unless something to the contrary comes out by a reputable news organization.

Good post. Jumping to conclusions, pointing fingers and blame are not appropriate at first news of a tragic event in others lives without any basis in fact. I can think of nothing more heartbreaking for a parent then the loss of a child.

[Uno_up]

The problem is you're guessing and jumping to conclusions b/f any facts come out. They believe in medicine, but not psychiatric drugs. You have no clue if they withheld any medicine from the boy, so why make any statements like that unless and until any concrete evidence is known. I have no idea if anti-seizure medicine is believed in by Scientologists. But people die all the time from seizures that are on medicine, lots of medicine, and their seizures still aren't controlled completely. An actress' son who was on anti-seizure medicine had one and happened to be standing by a pool, when no one was around, and fell in and drowned.

The boy might have been on medication but still had a seizure and, unfortuntely, hit his head on the tub while seizing. Thus, a tragic accident. I will give them the benefit of the doubt during this painful time, unless something to the contrary comes out by a reputable news organization.

John & Kelly were OUTSPOKEN scientologists. The use of psychiatric meds for children is looked upon as CHILD ABUSE in that cult, as most seizure medicines (such as Neurontin, Lamictal, Depakote and others) are the same medicines used psychiatrically to treat bipolar disorder. Also, scientologists can not "receive any treatment, guidance or help from anyone in the "healing arts" i.e., physicians or dentists without consent".
I'll hold back for now, but this entire ordeal reeks to me.

[conversationpc]

John & Kelly were OUTSPOKEN scientologists. The use of psychiatric meds for children is looked upon as CHILD ABUSE in that cult, as most seizure medicines (such as Neurontin, Lamictal, Depakote and others) are the same medicines used psychiatrically to treat bipolar disorder. Also, scientologists can not "receive any treatment, guidance or help from anyone in the "healing arts" i.e., physicians or dentists without consent".
I'll hold back for now, but this entire ordeal reeks to me.

My daughter was on an anti-seizure medication from the time we adopted her until just a year or so later.

[artist4perry]

The problem is you're guessing and jumping to conclusions b/f any facts come out. They believe in medicine, but not psychiatric drugs. You have no clue if they withheld any medicine from the boy, so why make any statements like that unless and until any concrete evidence is known. I have no idea if anti-seizure medicine is believed in by Scientologists. But people die all the time from seizures that are on medicine, lots of medicine, and their seizures still aren't controlled completely. An actress' son who was on anti-seizure medicine had one and happened to be standing by a pool, when no one was around, and fell in and drowned.

The boy might have been on medication but still had a seizure and, unfortuntely, hit his head on the tub while seizing. Thus, a tragic accident. I will give them the benefit of the doubt during this painful time, unless something to the contrary comes out by a reputable news organization.

John & Kelly were OUTSPOKEN scientologists. The use of psychiatric meds for children is looked upon as CHILD ABUSE in that cult, as most seizure medicines (such as Neurontin, Lamictal, Depakote and others) are the same medicines used psychiatrically to treat bipolar disorder. Also, scientologists can not "receive any treatment, guidance or help from anyone in the "healing arts" i.e., physicians or dentists without consent".
I'll hold back for now, but this entire ordeal reeks to me.

You are condemning this family with no facts at all, just your hatred of their religion. This is not the time to get on your sounding board to condemn anyone. Put yourself in the shoes of someone who has lost a child, what if it was a natural occurance that no one could have prevented? How dare anyone judge a family in pain without a shread of evidence of any wrong doing! Would you like someone doing your family that way? I don't think you mean any harm, but think before you say such accusations.

[Don]

The Travoltas are very public about their beliefs and have spoken out about certain issues. On one hand, they are being offered sympathy over common folk, solely becuase oftheir star status. On the other hand, their religon is something they wear on their sleeve, yet when we bring it up here,we're told leave it alone.
I know quite a bit about scientology and if they withheld this kids meds and had him taking bottles of vitamins everyday, which is very real possibility, I would hope they get their asses locked up. Religion and death go hand in hand. Ify ou start a thread on either subject, then we will voice our opinions of course as is the purpose of a messsage board in the first place.

[Voyager]

[You are condemning this family with no facts at all, just your hatred of their religion.

I didn't see any condemnation or hatred in his post. He just outlined some of the weird beliefs of Scientology. A commonly held belief among Scientologists is that psychiatry and psychology are destructive and abusive fields, which must be abolished. Former members, journalists, courts, and authorities in multiple countries have described Scientology as a cult and an unscrupulous commercial enterprise. Reports and allegations have been made, by journalists, courts, and governmental bodies of several countries, that the Church of Scientology is an unscrupulous commercial enterprise that harasses its critics and brutally exploits its members. Scientology's disconnection policy, in which members are encouraged to cut off all contact with friends or family members considered "antagonistic."

[Uno_up]

nsent".
I'll hold back for now, but this entire ordeal reeks to me.

You are condemning this family with no facts at all, just your hatred of their religion. This is not the time to get on your sounding board to condemn anyone. Put yourself in the shoes of someone who has lost a child, what if it was a natural occurance that no one could have prevented? How dare anyone judge a family in pain without a shread of evidence of any wrong doing! Would you like someone doing your family that way? I don't think you mean any harm, but think before you say such accusations.[/quote]

Listen... who died and declared you the board nanny? This isn't the first time you've try to come off as Mother Superior around here. Didn't you CLEARLY read that I was holding back? I am sensitive to death, probably moreso than many around here (I won't go into any detail) . Because I'm not verbally expressing it, are you assuming I don't have feelings? Tell me when my grieving period should end please. Fuck...I long for the time again when this board wasn't so damn sensitive and assuming.

[Voyager]

I long for the time again when this board wasn't so damn sensitive and assuming.

If it's not the forum owner or moderator who are complaining, I would recommend just ignoring it.

[artist4perry]

nsent".
I'll hold back for now, but this entire ordeal reeks to me.

You are condemning this family with no facts at all, just your hatred of their religion. This is not the time to get on your sounding board to condemn anyone. Put yourself in the shoes of someone who has lost a child, what if it was a natural occurance that no one could have prevented? How dare anyone judge a family in pain without a shread of evidence of any wrong doing! Would you like someone doing your family that way? I don't think you mean any harm, but think before you say such accusations.

Listen... who died and declared you the board nanny? This isn't the first time you've try to come off as Mother Superior around here. Didn't you CLEARLY read that I was holding back? I am sensitive to death, probably moreso than many around here (I won't go into any detail) . Because I'm not verbally expressing it, are you assuming I don't have feelings? Tell me when my grieving period should end please. Fuck...I long for the time again when this board wasn't so damn sensitive and assuming.[/quote]
I see, only people who think like you can post. I was trying to be nice and said I think you did not mean any harm. I have as much right to my oppinion as you do, but you use yours in a darker manner. I don't think you are insensitive to death, I just think you hate Scientology so much you wanted to make your thoughts known. I was just trying to get you to see this might not be the thread to do this. You came across as blaming the families religion for the death of the child. A strong accusation with no evidence at all. That was what I objected to. I never said you are happy with any death. Just that this is not the time or place for your suspicions.

[artist4perry]

[You are condemning this family with no facts at all, just your hatred of their religion.

I didn't see any condemnation or hatred in his post. He just outlined some of the weird beliefs of Scientology. A commonly held belief among Scientologists is that psychiatry and psychology are destructive and abusive fields, which must be abolished. Former members, journalists, courts, and authorities in multiple countries have described Scientology as a cult and an unscrupulous commercial enterprise. Reports and allegations have been made, by journalists, courts, and governmental bodies of several countries, that the Church of Scientology is an unscrupulous commercial enterprise that harasses its critics and brutally exploits its members. Scientology's disconnection policy, in which members are encouraged to cut off all contact with friends or family members considered "antagonistic."

Then start a thread about Scientology and what problems it has. That was all I was saying. Their is no proof the death is related to their faith. Trust me I am no fan of Scientology, but this thread was about a death of a child. How does it turn into a debate on Scientology?

[Don]

We need a death and religion forum, so when a thread like this pops up, we can throw down. Athiests, bible thumpers, cultists, no holds barred. No flowers or puppies or virgins allowed, just hardcore discussion on the meaning of life.