Not too Shabby

[Gideon]

Far, far from his best. I'll also agree with Deano that Arnel "oversings" the song rather than let it just flow. Did it suck? No, but I'll also agree that if the reason for his seeming fatigue was because of his "mini solo tour", I'd sit the little fucker down and tell him that his obligations to Journey are far more important than pursuing his own fame. If he wants to do that, he can wait until his contract is up with Journey. 'Til then, he's property of Neal Schon and Jonathan Cain.

A little exaggerated, yes, but the message is clear: his voice needs to be rested and prepared for Journey. And Journey alone.

Also, IMHO, I don't get the claims that "Perry, JSS, or SA never had it this good!!1!" I remember reading a year or so back how it was beyond blasphemy to criticise JSS or SP at all. Saint John would point out that "Hey, JSS is a fine singer, but he hasn't exactly been a huge success by any means" -- and that would be responded with something along the lines of "YOU FUCKIN HATER, JSS OWNS YOU AND SA AND ARNEL AND HE'S ALMOST ON PERRY's LEVEL AND SUCCESS MEANS SHIT U FUCKING PRICK!!1!"

So, I'd respectfully disagree and say that no one is treated as nicely on this board as JSS or SP.

[NealIsGod]

Far, far from his best. I'll also agree with Deano that Arnel "oversings" the song rather than let it just flow. Did it suck? No, but I'll also agree that if the reason for his seeming fatigue was because of his "mini solo tour", I'd sit the little fucker down and tell him that his obligations to Journey are far more important than pursuing his own fame. If he wants to do that, he can wait until his contract is up with Journey. 'Til then, he's property of Neal Schon and Jonathan Cain.

A little exaggerated, yes, but the message is clear: his voice needs to be rested and prepared for Journey. And Journey alone.

Also, IMHO, I don't get the claims that "Perry, JSS, or SA never had it this good!!1!" I remember reading a year or so back how it was beyond blasphemy to criticise JSS or SP at all. Saint John would point out that "Hey, JSS is a fine singer, but he hasn't exactly been a huge success by any means" -- and that would be responded with something along the lines of "YOU FUCKIN HATER, JSS OWNS YOU AND SA AND ARNEL AND HE'S ALMOST ON PERRY's LEVEL AND SUCCESS MEANS SHIT U FUCKING PRICK!!1!"

So, I'd respectfully disagree and say that no one is treated as nicely on this board as JSS or SP.

Augeri was crucified on here by many posters for over a year. Pineda hasn't experienced 1% of what Augeri had to endure.

[finalfight]

Far, far from his best. I'll also agree with Deano that Arnel "oversings" the song rather than let it just flow. Did it suck? No, but I'll also agree that if the reason for his seeming fatigue was because of his "mini solo tour", I'd sit the little fucker down and tell him that his obligations to Journey are far more important than pursuing his own fame. If he wants to do that, he can wait until his contract is up with Journey. 'Til then, he's property of Neal Schon and Jonathan Cain.

A little exaggerated, yes, but the message is clear: his voice needs to be rested and prepared for Journey. And Journey alone.

Also, IMHO, I don't get the claims that "Perry, JSS, or SA never had it this good!!1!" I remember reading a year or so back how it was beyond blasphemy to criticise JSS or SP at all. Saint John would point out that "Hey, JSS is a fine singer, but he hasn't exactly been a huge success by any means" -- and that would be responded with something along the lines of "YOU FUCKIN HATER, JSS OWNS YOU AND SA AND ARNEL AND HE'S ALMOST ON PERRY's LEVEL AND SUCCESS MEANS SHIT U FUCKING PRICK!!1!"

So, I'd respectfully disagree and say that no one is treated as nicely on this board as JSS or SP.

More importantly, What the hell is going on with Deen's hair! He is starting to resemble Neal!

[finalfight]

Augeri was crucified on here by many posters for over a year. Pineda hasn't experienced 1% of what Augeri had to endure.

That's because it isn't allowed to happen, which was my point.

[Saint John]

Pineda hasn't experienced 1% of what Augeri had to endure.

And he probably never will for 2 reasons:

1) He's a far better singer
2) He sings live.

[Gideon]

Augeri was crucified on here by many posters for over a year. Pineda hasn't experienced 1% of what Augeri had to endure.

You'll notice that I mentioned only Perry and Soto specifically. I have no idea what Augeri had to endure, because I was ten or so when he first joined.

Edit: Actually, I was seven when he first joined, ten when Arrival came out. Wasn't as big into Journey then. And, FF, Deen's hair rocks. STFU, you insensitive bastard.

[S2M]

Pineda hasn't experienced 1% of what Augeri had to endure.

And he probably never will for 2 reasons:

1) He's a far better singer
2) He sings live.

Fa-shizzle.....and he doesn't wear leather pants.

[NealIsGod]

Pineda hasn't experienced 1% of what Augeri had to endure.

And he probably never will for 2 reasons:

1) He's a far better singer
2) He sings live.

I would stack any Augeri performance before his vocal problems against the crap I just heard on TV.

[Rockindeano]

Pineda hasn't experienced 1% of what Augeri had to endure.

And he probably never will for 2 reasons:

1) He's a far better singer
2) He sings live.

You forgot the most important reason.

He had to follow Steve Perry. I was a huge SA defender and supporter...



Until sometime early 2006.

[finalfight]

Pineda hasn't experienced 1% of what Augeri had to endure.

And he probably never will for 2 reasons:

1) He's a far better singer
2) He sings live.

I would stack any Augeri performance before his vocal problems against the crap I just heard on TV.

Agreed and then some. Absolutely.

[Blueskies]

Far, far from his best. I'll also agree with Deano that Arnel "oversings" the song rather than let it just flow. Did it suck? No, but I'll also agree that if the reason for his seeming fatigue was because of his "mini solo tour", I'd sit the little fucker down and tell him that his obligations to Journey are far more important than pursuing his own fame. If he wants to do that, he can wait until his contract is up with Journey. 'Til then, he's property of Neal Schon and Jonathan Cain.

A little exaggerated, yes, but the message is clear: his voice needs to be rested and prepared for Journey. And Journey alone.

Also, IMHO, I don't get the claims that "Perry, JSS, or SA never had it this good!!1!" I remember reading a year or so back how it was beyond blasphemy to criticise JSS or SP at all. Saint John would point out that "Hey, JSS is a fine singer, but he hasn't exactly been a huge success by any means" -- and that would be responded with something along the lines of "YOU FUCKIN HATER, JSS OWNS YOU AND SA AND ARNEL AND HE'S ALMOST ON PERRY's LEVEL AND SUCCESS MEANS SHIT U FUCKING PRICK!!1!"

So, I'd respectfully disagree and say that no one is treated as nicely on this board as JSS or SP.

More importantly, What the hell is going on with Deen's hair! He is starting to resemble Neal!

Have to say I agree..looks like he got shocked or has an extreme case of static electricity going on. but, hey..it's his hair and if thats how he likes it then more power to him.

[ebake02]

what time did it air. I missed it.

[Gideon]

Pineda hasn't experienced 1% of what Augeri had to endure.

And he probably never will for 2 reasons:

1) He's a far better singer
2) He sings live.

I would stack any Augeri performance before his vocal problems against the crap I just heard on TV.

And I'd stack up anything in the entire audio spectrum (nails on chalk board, the sounds diarrhea, vomiting, sex, Jonathan Cain singing "Faithfully") against Perry's version of "Only the Young" on FtLoSM tour.

[Gin and Tonic Sky]

Pineda hasn't experienced 1% of what Augeri had to endure.

And he probably never will for 2 reasons:

1) He's a far better singer
2) He sings live.

I would stack any Augeri performance before his vocal problems against the crap I just heard on TV.

agree 100% (and I do like Arnel alot btw)

[NealIsGod]

Pineda hasn't experienced 1% of what Augeri had to endure.

And he probably never will for 2 reasons:

1) He's a far better singer
2) He sings live.

You forgot the most important reason.

He had to follow Steve Perry. I was a huge SA defender and supporter...



Until sometime early 2006.

I have no desire to dredge up that dead horse, but I don't understand how anyone can hold Augeri totally responsible for that. The whole band knew what was going on and went along with it.

[blondn6ft]

Tired of THAT SONG ...

Heard too much accent ... didn't have that much over the summer

Not enough shared airtime for the OTHER band members (surprised at this one) ...

On a scale from 1 to 10 ... "5" not good ... not bad ... just "cookie cutter"

Would have been nice to hear SOMETHING different ... even if it was from the dirty dozen ...

Just my 2 cents worth ...

[mdaemon]

Pineda hasn't experienced 1% of what Augeri had to endure.

And he probably never will for 2 reasons:

1) He's a far better singer
2) He sings live.

Fa-shizzle.....and he doesn't wear leather pants.

I think he did in San Diego. And it's a horrible yellow...

[Gideon]

All right, could someone even tender an explanation as to how in the holy fuck DSB is even that popular? I mean, it's great that it is such a cultural institution and the fact that it's a Journey song, but seriously. It's miles from being the best in their catalogue. At best, it's one of Cain's finest moments for the keyboard intro. But that's it.

[finalfight]

Pineda hasn't experienced 1% of what Augeri had to endure.

And he probably never will for 2 reasons:

1) He's a far better singer
2) He sings live.

I would stack any Augeri performance before his vocal problems against the crap I just heard on TV.

And I'd stack up anything in the entire audio spectrum (nails on chalk board, the sounds diarrhea, vomiting, sex, Jonathan Cain singing "Faithfully") against Perry's version of "Only the Young" on FtLoSM tour.

That performance was alright. Lots of energy and showmanship on display in the bootleg video. Interesting song to use as a warm up though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DY1LSm9K5fI

[Rockindeano]

I have no desire to dredge up that dead horse, but I don't understand how anyone can hold Augeri totally responsible for that. The whole band knew what was going on and went along with it.

I too want no more of that bad history in Journey, but you have been away for too long,. I was doing a song and dance for Schon and Friga...I have since changed all my hate to the entire band. It was Azoff's decision to do that shit, and the rest of the organization went along with it. They are equally guilty.

[mdaemon]

Have you noticed that before anyone knocks Arnel's performance (including me it seems) they always add a disclaimer such as 'I like Arnel' or 'Whilst I am a fan of his'

Great point, and I felt like I had to do the disclaimer as to not come off as a total hating Journey person. I could care less if the Pinoy army rises up against me- I could give two shits what they think. In fact, now that I have laid out my second disclaimer, and I honestly do think he is a helluva singer, that performance sucked.

I think the strength of the Pinoy army has been exaggerated. While I have already seen several posts in the past 10 minutes warning about the Pineda fans jumping in to defend him passionately , I actually have yet to see one.

[Rockindeano]

Man,if Journey is getting roasted on here for that one song, I am fearful what you Bruce haters are going to say about his set in 90 mins. Oh that's right, none of you here will be watching that Hack. You will all be in the shitter reading Redbook or Popular Mechanics. I fully expect at least 6 of you to come here blazing after Bruce flubs a word or chord. I can take it though.

[Gideon]

Pineda hasn't experienced 1% of what Augeri had to endure.

And he probably never will for 2 reasons:

1) He's a far better singer
2) He sings live.

I would stack any Augeri performance before his vocal problems against the crap I just heard on TV.

And I'd stack up anything in the entire audio spectrum (nails on chalk board, the sounds diarrhea, vomiting, sex, Jonathan Cain singing "Faithfully") against Perry's version of "Only the Young" on FtLoSM tour.

That performance was alright. Lots of energy and showmanship on display in the bootleg video. Interesting song to use as a warm up though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DY1LSm9K5fI

You're kidding, right? No amount of showmanship or charisma (which Perry had and will always have, of course) can save that song from being anything but shitty. The fact that it is the great Steve Perry doesn't change it. It only makes it harder for me to deal with.

[finalfight]

Have you noticed that before anyone knocks Arnel's performance (including me it seems) they always add a disclaimer such as 'I like Arnel' or 'Whilst I am a fan of his'

Great point, and I felt like I had to do the disclaimer as to not come off as a total hating Journey person. I could care less if the Pinoy army rises up against me- I could give two shits what they think. In fact, now that I have laid out my second disclaimer, and I honestly do think he is a helluva singer, that performance sucked.

I think the strength of the Pinoy army has been exaggerated. While I have already seen several posts in the past 10 minutes warning about the Pineda fans jumping in to defend him passionately , I actually have yet to see one.

They are busy celebrating the 'performance of the year' over on his official page.

[finalfight]

Pineda hasn't experienced 1% of what Augeri had to endure.

And he probably never will for 2 reasons:

1) He's a far better singer
2) He sings live.

I would stack any Augeri performance before his vocal problems against the crap I just heard on TV.

And I'd stack up anything in the entire audio spectrum (nails on chalk board, the sounds diarrhea, vomiting, sex, Jonathan Cain singing "Faithfully") against Perry's version of "Only the Young" on FtLoSM tour.

That performance was alright. Lots of energy and showmanship on display in the bootleg video. Interesting song to use as a warm up though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DY1LSm9K5fI

You're kidding, right? No amount of showmanship or charisma (which Perry had and will always have, of course) can save that song from being anything but shitty. The fact that it is the great Steve Perry doesn't change it. It only makes it harder for me to deal with.

I honestly think he sounds good on it. Sure, it's a different take but he changed up a lot of songs on that tour. I like it. It has charm.

[stevew2]

Pineda hasn't experienced 1% of what Augeri had to endure.

And he probably never will for 2 reasons:

1) He's a far better singer
2) He sings live.

I would stack any Augeri performance before his vocal problems against the crap I just heard on TV.

Agreed and then some. Absolutely.

Damn Straight

[Rockindeano]

Have you noticed that before anyone knocks Arnel's performance (including me it seems) they always add a disclaimer such as 'I like Arnel' or 'Whilst I am a fan of his'

Great point, and I felt like I had to do the disclaimer as to not come off as a total hating Journey person. I could care less if the Pinoy army rises up against me- I could give two shits what they think. In fact, now that I have laid out my second disclaimer, and I honestly do think he is a helluva singer, that performance sucked.

I think the strength of the Pinoy army has been exaggerated. While I have already seen several posts in the past 10 minutes warning about the Pineda fans jumping in to defend him passionately , I actually have yet to see one.

Hey, they are followers. Nothing wrong with that. The biggest problem I have with the Pinoy army, is their complete lack of respect for the Classic era and Steve Perry. Most of them have no clue at all what transpired then. A shame really.

[NealIsGod]

Man,if Journey is getting roasted on here for that one song, I am fearful what you Bruce haters are going to say about his set in 90 mins. Oh that's right, none of you here will be watching that Hack. You will all be in the shitter reading Redbook or Popular Mechanics. I fully expect at least 6 of you to come here blazing after Bruce flubs a word or chord. I can take it though.

I'm actually really looking forward to halftime. With Journey and Bruce playing today I hope WalMart bought some ad time.

[finalfight]

Man,if Journey is getting roasted on here for that one song, I am fearful what you Bruce haters are going to say about his set in 90 mins. Oh that's right, none of you here will be watching that Hack. You will all be in the shitter reading Redbook or Popular Mechanics. I fully expect at least 6 of you to come here blazing after Bruce flubs a word or chord. I can take it though.

Bruce's strength is in his story telling especially live. No-one is expecting stellar vocals from Bruce Springsteen. Does not compute, nor does it need to!

[larryfromnextdoor]

Hey, they are followers. Nothing wrong with that. The biggest problem I have with the Pinoy army, is their complete lack of respect for the Classic era and Steve Perry. Most of them have no clue at all what transpired then. A shame really.

or ,,it doesnt help that the commentators said he was the Second lead singer of the band ..

but this was a fun 3 min today!! good rock ..