Journey Superbowl Show Reviews

[Voyager]

For me it was less the 'cold'... it was the return of the accent. The lack of correct pronunciation was one of the reasons why I didn't approve of the choice to have Arnel sing for Journey early on. Summer came and went, and he reportedly improved. Cool. Now, with a month plus back home, the annunciation issue is back. If I go back east and spend any longer than a month, I start talking "Philly" without even noticing. "Yo...let's go to thuh mawl". I felt like all the work he did over the summer went to the toilet. I was really disappointed.

Arnel should have been back in the US for two weeks prior to this event, training with the band. His health would have not been an issue, as the diction. I can't just roll this into "the cold" excuse. C'mon. I applaud him apologizing, but the cold excuse... enough. He's 40, 41? He needs to do what he needs to do... this gig comes once in a lifetime, and he's fuckin' it up. That and working with someone on stage presence would help too... sorry... I'm still not sold on this guy at all. I can't tell you how frustrating that is, to love the music but hate hearing it now. argh.

Good points. I think the whole celebrity thing took off for him and he didn't know how to handle it. I think he has been on a wild rollercoaster ride ever since Neal first called him, and the Superbowl event was the first sign that Arnel is not an experienced veteran of the rock music industry like the rest of the guys in Journey are. Maybe Arnel didn't know how to say "no" to all of the interviews, charity events, media events, and everything else that came at him as a result of Journey discovering him. It's like some guy playing in a local cover band and then he wins the lottery. No one knows how he will handle this level of success until he goes through it and proves himself.

Does this mean Arnel has failed? No, but you know how image-conscious Neal is... this was not the feather in his cap that he wanted it to be. You know why? It's because Neal wanted Arnel to kick some serious ass in front of millions of SuperBowl viewers to prove that Journey's success is not due to Steve Perry's unique vocals (the same motive that fueled re-recording the classics). That didn't happen. SuperBowl viewers did not hear the Arnel that Neal heard on YouTube, nor the one who sang on Revelation. I was pretty shocked myself at what I heard. In addition, if there was ever a possibility for Steve Perry to see Journey with Arnel (short of buying a concert ticket or the Revelation DVD), my guess is that the SuperBowl gig would be it. I am sure that Neal wanted to deliver a near-perfect performance that night, and unfortunately Arnel had an off-night. Oh well, the only damage was to Neal's ego.

To me, Arnel looked like he is exhausted and stressed-out during the SuperBowl gig... possibly even burned-out. I'm sure that he now has a much deeper respect for why Perry, Augeri, and Soto are all no longer in Journey.

I hope Arnel doesn't let this get to him. He needs to remember that wearing Perry's shoes will require some thick skin. Steve Perry is an American icon, and therefore he has some big shoes. Arnel does a better job walking in them than most singers would, but they are still impossible shoes to walk in. Arnel will always be compared to Steve Perry, and he will never satisfy the Perry loons because no one can duplicate the personna, style, skill, charsima, passion, charm, and talent of another artist.

[WykkedSensation]

makes you wonder what a Jeff fronted Journey would have done???

'Heaven fuckin forbid'

[Gideon]

Just as Madsplash has his critics, I can’t stand your writing style – at all.

I always appreciate feedback. And if you have a problem with my writing, you have several options. A.) Ignore it. B.) Refute it. C.) Deal with it and move on.

Going by the universal definition of a “loon,” I guess I fall in that category – but I’m far from being “retarded.”

If by universal definition you mean oversensitive and whiney, I'd agree. Toughen up. Who said I was using the universal definition of "Loon"? I refer to those equivalents of Arnel's fan brigade; the ones who think that Steve Perry is a saint, flawless in vocal delivery and personality; people who refuse to look at facts that conclude the man was a major league asshole at several critical points during Journey's career. Incredible, phenomenal voice? Sure. But the revisionist history is asinine.

SJ has it right (though I have a lot more accolades for Perry than he does).

And ….you can never resist a backhand snip at SP, could you?

Consider me an injection of objectivity; a prescription some "loons" desperately need. People have ridden Arnel hard on these boards, as well as Jon and Neal. Some of it deserved, but only Saint John recognizes the fuck ups Perry has made over the years and he's no better than they are.

“Arnel has the advantage of being a decent guy” … hmmm, compared to …

Perry.

Arnel wasn't a factor in the departure (no pun intended) of a bandmate, was he? No. Perry was.
Arnel wasn't the factor in the departure of another bandmate and a longtime drummer, was he? No. Perry was.
Arnel didn't alienate his bandmates, does he? No. Perry did.
Arnel didn't put Journey in a chokehold and force the rest of the band to adapt to his personal taste, did he? No. Perry did.
Arnel didn't fuck up a proposed revamped lineup and not fulfill tour obligations and then whine when the band moved on, did he? No. Perry did. All of that.

Your constant riding on SP fans (and the man himself) is getting old. Change your style, Gideon, please.

I'm not interested. This forum was built for exchanging opinions, yes? I happen to believe SJ gets it right on Perry. Why? He provides facts and doesn't throw tantrums when his favorite band member gets slammed. Arnel, Jon, Neal, Perry, all of them have made decisions and actions that deserve criticism. But for all of them there can be no doubt that Arnel deserves it least of all and yet he gets more than his fair share. Why should Perry be somehow immune to our criticism and occasional disdain? Because he's Steve Perry?

No. Sorry. If that's a problem, you can either discuss it with me or ignore me or whatever, but it's not going to change. I'm not going on a Perry bashing spree, I'm simply speaking the truth: like Neal Schon, he is a man of incredible talent who has made many bad decisions over the years. Unlike Neal Schon, however, he hasn't made nearly as many when it came to the band nor does he (unlike Neal) ever catch hell for it.

[bluejeangirl76]

If by universal definition you mean oversensitive and whiney, I'd agree. Toughen up. Who said I was using the universal definition of "Loon"? I refer to those equivalents of Arnel's fan brigade; the ones who think that Steve Perry is a saint, flawless in vocal delivery and personality;

You forgot monstrous penis... just ask a loon about the green pants.

[donnaplease]

If by universal definition you mean oversensitive and whiney, I'd agree. Toughen up. Who said I was using the universal definition of "Loon"? I refer to those equivalents of Arnel's fan brigade; the ones who think that Steve Perry is a saint, flawless in vocal delivery and personality;

You forgot monstrous penis... just ask a loon about the green pants.

Yeah... me loves me some green pants!!!

[Rockindeano]

If by universal definition you mean oversensitive and whiney, I'd agree. Toughen up. Who said I was using the universal definition of "Loon"? I refer to those equivalents of Arnel's fan brigade; the ones who think that Steve Perry is a saint, flawless in vocal delivery and personality;

You forgot monstrous penis... just ask a loon about the green pants.

Yeah... me loves me some green pants!!!

I have green pants.

[Gideon]

If by universal definition you mean oversensitive and whiney, I'd agree. Toughen up. Who said I was using the universal definition of "Loon"? I refer to those equivalents of Arnel's fan brigade; the ones who think that Steve Perry is a saint, flawless in vocal delivery and personality;

You forgot monstrous penis... just ask a loon about the green pants.

Yeah... me loves me some green pants!!!

I have green pants.

Steve? I knew it!

[donnaplease]

If by universal definition you mean oversensitive and whiney, I'd agree. Toughen up. Who said I was using the universal definition of "Loon"? I refer to those equivalents of Arnel's fan brigade; the ones who think that Steve Perry is a saint, flawless in vocal delivery and personality;

You forgot monstrous penis... just ask a loon about the green pants.

Yeah... me loves me some green pants!!!

I have green pants.

That's probably mold...

[annie89509]

Gideon, far of me to pick fights with anyone – not my nature. Last night, I think I fell into my motherly instincts of raising 3 teenaged boys … reading certain things into your posts and associating your relatively young age to one of brashness. My apologies if I got it wrong.

At one time I was quite the prolific poster … don’t come as often now … then lurk mostly. SaintJohn will tell you he and I got into some doozies (didn’t we, SJ?). And … I’ve got to tell you (and the old-timers will confirm) …SJ (Dan) was the biggest loon you ever saw way back when …’06-’07…not a bad word against SP came out of his mouth(keyboard). Seemingly, every other week, Dan was predicting a SP comeback – possibly, with Journey! (Right? JoePa/NIG/Donna/Deb/Rick)? I think he started to turn against the man when his dream of a reunion did not materialized. Posters kidded that Dan was acting like a man jilted by a former lover .

As for loons regarding SP as a saint … I’ve been around SP/Journey boards for awhile now. I can assure you no loons (well, no loon that is sane, lol) have ever thought of SP as a saint. That title is reserved by the wigglers for their man (SA). It would appear AP is getting close to being put on that pedestal, too…if not there already.

And …what about revisionist history? Of course, we hardcore SP/Journey fans know their story --from beginning to present. It’s all out there for the taking ... their entire history is an open book. What we DON’T know is all the details -- the “inside” stuff … back stories … interpersonal/business circumstances that led to certain outcomes. Unless we were actually there when these “facts” happened …personal confidantes…walked in their shoes, what makes us qualify to judge their actions or to interpret an incident a certain way? What is the old saying? There’s 3 sides to a truth – yours, mine, and somewhere in between. Of course, I have my favorite like everyone else, but I can honestly say I never, ever, said(posted) 1 bad word against any bandmember—past or present. After all, it’s all about the music, right?

Lastly, your comment about no one can say anything bad about SP … where have you been, Boy!? For years, SP was the whipping boy around these parts … bashed and trashed like nobody’s business – along with the loons who tried to defend him (again, the old-timers can verify this). The tide turned with Tapegate, I believe. Suddenly, SA fans had to run for cover, and a fondness for the “good ole days” of the SP-fronted Journey took on a relevance in the minds of everyone on the Journey Boards –which previously were relegated to SP forums/sites. There is a reason why Journey hardcores are known to be the most fickle and passionate of fans, lol.

Wow, this is the most I have posted in a long time. Peace.

[Jana]

Gideon, far of me to pick fights with anyone – not my nature. Last night, I think I fell into my motherly instincts of raising 3 teenaged boys … reading certain things into your posts and associating your relatively young age to one of brashness. My apologies if I got it wrong.

At one time I was quite the prolific poster … don’t come as often now … then lurk mostly. SaintJohn will tell you he and I got into some doozies (didn’t we, SJ?). And … I’ve got to tell you (and the old-timers will confirm) …SJ (Dan) was the biggest loon you ever saw way back when …’06-’07…not a bad word against SP came out of his mouth(keyboard). Seemingly, every other week, Dan was predicting a SP comeback – possibly, with Journey! (Right? JoePa/NIG/Donna/Deb/Rick)? I think he started to turn against the man when his dream of a reunion did not materialized. Posters kidded that Dan was acting like a man jilted by a former lover .

As for loons regarding SP as a saint … I’ve been around SP/Journey boards for awhile now. I can assure you no loons (well, no loon that is sane, lol) have ever thought of SP as a saint. That title is reserved by the wigglers for their man (SA). It would appear AP is getting close to being put on that pedestal, too…if not there already.

And …what about revisionist history? Of course, we hardcore SP/Journey fans know their story --from beginning to present. It’s all out there for the taking ... their entire history is an open book. What we DON’T know is all the details -- the “inside” stuff … back stories … interpersonal/business circumstances that led to certain outcomes. Unless we were actually there when these “facts” happened …personal confidantes…walked in their shoes, what makes us qualify to judge their actions or to interpret an incident a certain way? What is the old saying? There’s 3 sides to a truth – yours, mine, and somewhere in between. Of course, I have my favorite like everyone else, but I can honestly say I never, ever, said(posted) 1 bad word against any bandmember—past or present. After all, it’s all about the music, right?

Lastly, your comment about no one can say anything bad about SP … where have you been, Boy!? For years, SP was the whipping boy around these parts … bashed and trashed like nobody’s business – along with the loons who tried to defend him (again, the old-timers can verify this). The tide turned with Tapegate, I believe. Suddenly, SA fans had to run for cover, and a fondness for the “good ole days” of the SP-fronted Journey took on a relevance in the minds of everyone on the Journey Boards –which previously were relegated to SP forums/sites. There is a reason why Journey hardcores are known to be the most fickle and passionate of fans, lol.

Wow, this is the most I have posted in a long time. Peace.

enjoyed your post, Annie

[Michigan Girl]

Gideon, far of me to pick fights with anyone – not my nature. Last night, I think I fell into my motherly instincts of raising 3 teenaged boys … reading certain things into your posts and associating your relatively young age to one of brashness. My apologies if I got it wrong.

At one time I was quite the prolific poster … don’t come as often now … then lurk mostly. SaintJohn will tell you he and I got into some doozies (didn’t we, SJ?). And … I’ve got to tell you (and the old-timers will confirm) …SJ (Dan) was the biggest loon you ever saw way back when …’06-’07…not a bad word against SP came out of his mouth(keyboard). Seemingly, every other week, Dan was predicting a SP comeback – possibly, with Journey! (Right? JoePa/NIG/Donna/Deb/Rick)? I think he started to turn against the man when his dream of a reunion did not materialized. Posters kidded that Dan was acting like a man jilted by a former lover .

As for loons regarding SP as a saint … I’ve been around SP/Journey boards for awhile now. I can assure you no loons (well, no loon that is sane, lol) have ever thought of SP as a saint. That title is reserved by the wigglers for their man (SA). It would appear AP is getting close to being put on that pedestal, too…if not there already.

And …what about revisionist history? Of course, we hardcore SP/Journey fans know their story --from beginning to present. It’s all out there for the taking ... their entire history is an open book. What we DON’T know is all the details -- the “inside” stuff … back stories … interpersonal/business circumstances that led to certain outcomes. Unless we were actually there when these “facts” happened …personal confidantes…walked in their shoes, what makes us qualify to judge their actions or to interpret an incident a certain way? What is the old saying? There’s 3 sides to a truth – yours, mine, and somewhere in between. Of course, I have my favorite like everyone else, but I can honestly say I never, ever, said(posted) 1 bad word against any bandmember—past or present. After all, it’s all about the music, right?

Lastly, your comment about no one can say anything bad about SP … where have you been, Boy!? For years, SP was the whipping boy around these parts … bashed and trashed like nobody’s business – along with the loons who tried to defend him (again, the old-timers can verify this). The tide turned with Tapegate, I believe. Suddenly, SA fans had to run for cover, and a fondness for the “good ole days” of the SP-fronted Journey took on a relevance in the minds of everyone on the Journey Boards –which previously were relegated to SP forums/sites. There is a reason why Journey hardcores are known to be the most fickle and passionate of fans, lol.

Wow, this is the most I have posted in a long time. Peace.

enjoyed your post, Annie

+1....NICE, Annie!!! I believe Giddy to be a young fella....smart guy, though, most of the time
and smart~ass the rest....I just can't help but like the guy!!!

[squirt1]

Journey has been less than great since Perry left. Now,with Jeff I thought they had a good chance at surviving. This perfprmance was definitely bad & will hurt more than help them.

[Gideon]

Gideon, far of me to pick fights with anyone – not my nature. Last night, I think I fell into my motherly instincts of raising 3 teenaged boys … reading certain things into your posts and associating your relatively young age to one of brashness. My apologies if I got it wrong.

At one time I was quite the prolific poster … don’t come as often now … then lurk mostly. SaintJohn will tell you he and I got into some doozies (didn’t we, SJ?). And … I’ve got to tell you (and the old-timers will confirm) …SJ (Dan) was the biggest loon you ever saw way back when …’06-’07…not a bad word against SP came out of his mouth(keyboard). Seemingly, every other week, Dan was predicting a SP comeback – possibly, with Journey! (Right? JoePa/NIG/Donna/Deb/Rick)? I think he started to turn against the man when his dream of a reunion did not materialized. Posters kidded that Dan was acting like a man jilted by a former lover .

As for loons regarding SP as a saint … I’ve been around SP/Journey boards for awhile now. I can assure you no loons (well, no loon that is sane, lol) have ever thought of SP as a saint. That title is reserved by the wigglers for their man (SA). It would appear AP is getting close to being put on that pedestal, too…if not there already.

And …what about revisionist history? Of course, we hardcore SP/Journey fans know their story --from beginning to present. It’s all out there for the taking ... their entire history is an open book. What we DON’T know is all the details -- the “inside” stuff … back stories … interpersonal/business circumstances that led to certain outcomes. Unless we were actually there when these “facts” happened …personal confidantes…walked in their shoes, what makes us qualify to judge their actions or to interpret an incident a certain way? What is the old saying? There’s 3 sides to a truth – yours, mine, and somewhere in between. Of course, I have my favorite like everyone else, but I can honestly say I never, ever, said(posted) 1 bad word against any bandmember—past or present. After all, it’s all about the music, right?

Lastly, your comment about no one can say anything bad about SP … where have you been, Boy!? For years, SP was the whipping boy around these parts … bashed and trashed like nobody’s business – along with the loons who tried to defend him (again, the old-timers can verify this). The tide turned with Tapegate, I believe. Suddenly, SA fans had to run for cover, and a fondness for the “good ole days” of the SP-fronted Journey took on a relevance in the minds of everyone on the Journey Boards –which previously were relegated to SP forums/sites. There is a reason why Journey hardcores are known to be the most fickle and passionate of fans, lol.

Wow, this is the most I have posted in a long time. Peace.

I can accept that (minus the part about Perry being the whipping boy and Arnel's fans being worse than Perry's [they can be equally obnoxious in my book]). The problem is that Arnel is the one who deserves the least amount of negative feedback; he, unlike Perry, Neal, or Jon, hasn't done anything wrong, unethical, or cruel to the band. His voice (like Perry's) is welcome to criticism, but when it comes to personality, his record is currently spotless. Perry's isn't.

[RobbieG]

makes you wonder what a Jeff fronted Journey would have done???

Nothing, nothing at all. Just being honest.

[Gideon]

makes you wonder what a Jeff fronted Journey would have done???

Nothing, nothing at all. Just being honest.

Same. He doesn't match the Journey formula.

[Voyager]

makes you wonder what a Jeff fronted Journey would have done???

Nothing, nothing at all. Just being honest.

You're probably right. The fans wanted a Perry soundalike... it wasn't just Neal who wanted it. JSS brought a different sound to Journey... a good sound... but a different sound. Journey is Perry, and the fans won't let them get away from that. JSS would have been a different Journey, and the chances of an 80's rock band trying to remake themselves with a new sound and making hits that sell millions is slim to none. Journey fans will never want anything other than the Perry sound. Neal knows that... and that is why he hired a guy who was good at covering Steve Perry. Arnel's fans can give him credit for all the glory and fame, but it's all because of the songs that Steve Perry sang.

[Gideon]

Journey is Perry, and they can never get away from that.

Actually, Journey is many people (it's a band, actually, not Perry's middle name), including Neal Schon and Gregg Rolie, whom Perry owes the entirety of his career to.

[Voyager]

Journey is Perry, and they can never get away from that.

Actually, Journey is many people (it's a band, actually, not Perry's middle name), including Neal Schon and Gregg Rolie, whom Perry owes the entirety of his career to.

LOL - and that is the very argument that has been the source of thousands of debates on this forum - for the past three singers.

But if it was true, they wouldn't need to find a professional Steve Perry impersonator on YouTube, would they?

Journey may be more than Steve Perry, but it is Perry's singing that put them on the map and drove them to sell millions of albums. They couldn't do that before Perry or after Perry.

[Gideon]

Journey is Perry, and they can never get away from that.

Actually, Journey is many people (it's a band, actually, not Perry's middle name), including Neal Schon and Gregg Rolie, whom Perry owes the entirety of his career to.

LOL - and that is the very argument that has been the source of thousands of debates on this forum - for the past three singers.

But if it was true, they wouldn't need to find a professional Steve Perry impersonator on YouTube, would they?

Never said that Perry wasn't a (or even the) major factor in Journey's success. This is a band who is long past its commercial and international peak and in order to appeal to their fans, they must abide by the formula. Perry is part of that formula and so they must honor his legacy.

That's a far cry from the idea that he is Journey.

[donnaplease]

makes you wonder what a Jeff fronted Journey would have done???

Nothing, nothing at all. Just being honest.

You're probably right. The fans wanted a Perry soundalike... it wasn't just Neal who wanted it. JSS brought a different sound to Journey... a good sound... but a different sound. Journey is Perry, and the fans won't let them get away from that. JSS would have been a different Journey, and the chances of an 80's rock band trying to remake themselves with a new sound and making hits that sell millions is slim to none. Journey fans will never want anything other than the Perry sound. Neal knows that... and that is why he hired a guy who was good at covering Steve Perry. Arnel's fans can give him credit for all the glory and fame, but it's all because of the songs that Steve Perry sang.

What fans are you referring to??? The majority of the fans around the parts were overwhelmingly happy with Jeff's contribution to present-day Journey. Knowing that SP would not be returning, Jeff was honoring the past while forging a new future for them. The chances of Journey trying to remake itself period and selling millions is slim to none (and the Walmart numbers are BS, we all know that).

I am a huge Frontiers (Jeremey) fan, but I am a loon first and foremost. As much as I was behind Jeremey getting the gig (after JSS got effed over), it was still somewhat of a sellout by the band. To say that they are not all about the vocals (and therefore SP) in one breath and then say they need a Perry-clone in another is the lamest bunch of bullshit ever. It's hard to respect Friga and Fro to that reason alone (and yet there are so many more that I could count).

IMO, Journey with JSS as lead singer would've been fine. It would've been exactly what it is now... a tribute band to itself.

[Rockindeano]

If by universal definition you mean oversensitive and whiney, I'd agree. Toughen up. Who said I was using the universal definition of "Loon"? I refer to those equivalents of Arnel's fan brigade; the ones who think that Steve Perry is a saint, flawless in vocal delivery and personality;

You forgot monstrous penis... just ask a loon about the green pants.

Yeah... me loves me some green pants!!!

I have green pants.

That's probably mold...

No you didn't just say that.

[donnaplease]

If by universal definition you mean oversensitive and whiney, I'd agree. Toughen up. Who said I was using the universal definition of "Loon"? I refer to those equivalents of Arnel's fan brigade; the ones who think that Steve Perry is a saint, flawless in vocal delivery and personality;

You forgot monstrous penis... just ask a loon about the green pants.

Yeah... me loves me some green pants!!!

I have green pants.

That's probably mold...

No you didn't just say that.

I did. I swear.

[Arianddu]

You forgot monstrous penis... just ask a loon about the green pants.

I hope you haven't "inspired" the loons to start another freaking Perry Porn thread.

Hey, I stand by Perry Porn Day! It's not my fault it went on for 12 pages and three weeks!

And until you find a copy of SMFP's birth certificate as my screen saver, I'll take 'Loon Light' as my brand of choice, thanks.

Don't make me don the plastic ceremonial Beak, begin the chanting and make you die of laughter, LLL!

[Voyager]

makes you wonder what a Jeff fronted Journey would have done???

Nothing, nothing at all. Just being honest.

You're probably right. The fans wanted a Perry soundalike... it wasn't just Neal who wanted it. JSS brought a different sound to Journey... a good sound... but a different sound. Journey is Perry, and the fans won't let them get away from that. JSS would have been a different Journey, and the chances of an 80's rock band trying to remake themselves with a new sound and making hits that sell millions is slim to none. Journey fans will never want anything other than the Perry sound. Neal knows that... and that is why he hired a guy who was good at covering Steve Perry. Arnel's fans can give him credit for all the glory and fame, but it's all because of the songs that Steve Perry sang.

What fans are you referring to??? The majority of the fans around the parts were overwhelmingly happy with Jeff's contribution to present-day Journey. Knowing that SP would not be returning, Jeff was honoring the past while forging a new future for them. The chances of Journey trying to remake itself period and selling millions is slim to none (and the Walmart numbers are BS, we all know that).

I am a huge Frontiers (Jeremey) fan, but I am a loon first and foremost. As much as I was behind Jeremey getting the gig (after JSS got effed over), it was still somewhat of a sellout by the band. To say that they are not all about the vocals (and therefore SP) in one breath and then say they need a Perry-clone in another is the lamest bunch of bullshit ever. It's hard to respect Friga and Fro to that reason alone (and yet there are so many more that I could count).

IMO, Journey with JSS as lead singer would've been fine. It would've been exactly what it is now... a tribute band to itself.

But let's face it - Arnel does a better job of hitting the high notes that Perry was known for. JSS simply doesn't hit the high Perry notes as good as Arnel does. The reason that ditched JSS and found Arnel is because they wanted the Perry sound.

[donnaplease]

makes you wonder what a Jeff fronted Journey would have done???

Nothing, nothing at all. Just being honest.

You're probably right. The fans wanted a Perry soundalike... it wasn't just Neal who wanted it. JSS brought a different sound to Journey... a good sound... but a different sound. Journey is Perry, and the fans won't let them get away from that. JSS would have been a different Journey, and the chances of an 80's rock band trying to remake themselves with a new sound and making hits that sell millions is slim to none. Journey fans will never want anything other than the Perry sound. Neal knows that... and that is why he hired a guy who was good at covering Steve Perry. Arnel's fans can give him credit for all the glory and fame, but it's all because of the songs that Steve Perry sang.

What fans are you referring to??? The majority of the fans around the parts were overwhelmingly happy with Jeff's contribution to present-day Journey. Knowing that SP would not be returning, Jeff was honoring the past while forging a new future for them. The chances of Journey trying to remake itself period and selling millions is slim to none (and the Walmart numbers are BS, we all know that).

I am a huge Frontiers (Jeremey) fan, but I am a loon first and foremost. As much as I was behind Jeremey getting the gig (after JSS got effed over), it was still somewhat of a sellout by the band. To say that they are not all about the vocals (and therefore SP) in one breath and then say they need a Perry-clone in another is the lamest bunch of bullshit ever. It's hard to respect Friga and Fro to that reason alone (and yet there are so many more that I could count).

IMO, Journey with JSS as lead singer would've been fine. It would've been exactly what it is now... a tribute band to itself.

But let's face it - Arnel does a better job of hitting the high notes that Perry was known for. JSS simply doesn't hit the high Perry notes as good as Arnel does. The reason that ditched JSS and found Arnel is because they wanted the Perry sound.

I get that. However, it wasn't a 'fan' decision that led to Jeff's dismissal, IMO. The 2006 tour got great reviews from what I remember, and we fans were stoked about the future. Unfortunately, none of us know the real reason that ditched JSS. That one is yet to be revealed. Enquiring minds do wanna know, though...

Conservative or cowardly, I guess it's all a matter of opinion.

[Jubilee]

Did someone say "Perry Porn Day"?!?...oh, I just thought I heard...

[Voyager]

makes you wonder what a Jeff fronted Journey would have done???

Nothing, nothing at all. Just being honest.

You're probably right. The fans wanted a Perry soundalike... it wasn't just Neal who wanted it. JSS brought a different sound to Journey... a good sound... but a different sound. Journey is Perry, and the fans won't let them get away from that. JSS would have been a different Journey, and the chances of an 80's rock band trying to remake themselves with a new sound and making hits that sell millions is slim to none. Journey fans will never want anything other than the Perry sound. Neal knows that... and that is why he hired a guy who was good at covering Steve Perry. Arnel's fans can give him credit for all the glory and fame, but it's all because of the songs that Steve Perry sang.

What fans are you referring to??? The majority of the fans around the parts were overwhelmingly happy with Jeff's contribution to present-day Journey. Knowing that SP would not be returning, Jeff was honoring the past while forging a new future for them. The chances of Journey trying to remake itself period and selling millions is slim to none (and the Walmart numbers are BS, we all know that).

I am a huge Frontiers (Jeremey) fan, but I am a loon first and foremost. As much as I was behind Jeremey getting the gig (after JSS got effed over), it was still somewhat of a sellout by the band. To say that they are not all about the vocals (and therefore SP) in one breath and then say they need a Perry-clone in another is the lamest bunch of bullshit ever. It's hard to respect Friga and Fro to that reason alone (and yet there are so many more that I could count).

IMO, Journey with JSS as lead singer would've been fine. It would've been exactly what it is now... a tribute band to itself.

But let's face it - Arnel does a better job of hitting the high notes that Perry was known for. JSS simply doesn't hit the high Perry notes as good as Arnel does. The reason that ditched JSS and found Arnel is because they wanted the Perry sound.

I get that. However, it wasn't a 'fan' decision that led to Jeff's dismissal, IMO. The 2006 tour got great reviews from what I remember, and we fans were stoked about the future. Unfortunately, none of us know the real reason that ditched JSS. That one is yet to be revealed. Enquiring minds do wanna know, though...

Conservative or cowardly, I guess it's all a matter of opinion.

Yes, and for some reason people get very passionate about their opinions here. Journey fans are hardcore!

That's why I come here.

[Arianddu]

You forgot monstrous penis... just ask a loon about the green pants.

I hope you haven't "inspired" the loons to start another freaking Perry Porn thread.

Hey, I stand by Perry Porn Day! It's not my fault it went on for 12 pages and three weeks!

And until you find a copy of SMFP's birth certificate as my screen saver, I'll take 'Loon Light' as my brand of choice, thanks.

Don't make me don the plastic ceremonial Beak, begin the chanting and make you die of laughter, LLL!

Ari, you are correct. My apologies to you. It was the out of control loons contributing to that thread that took it way beyond where it needed to go. I believe some of that behavior is what inspired the "Perry Panty Liners".

Oh, I am so wanting to see the Beak and the chanting! ROFLMAO!

You asked for it! Lo, one shall don the ceremonial plastic Beak, the blessed just-below-shoulder-length black wig and the thrice-sanctified yellow and black leopard print t-shirt and black tails (the red cabana-boy shirt is reserved for High Holy Days, of course)... bow three times in the direction of Hanford then kneel upon the holy pillow bearing the likeness of The Voice... clasp the blessed copy of 'Street Talk', preferably in vinyl to show 'cred'... pause to centre oneself by concentrating on the Shrine of Perry, then begin...
"We miss you Stevie... we miss you Stevie... we miss you Stevie..."



And remember - Steve moves in mysterious ways, his wonders to perform. Just not in public

[Behshad]

You forgot monstrous penis... just ask a loon about the green pants.

I hope you haven't "inspired" the loons to start another freaking Perry Porn thread.

Hey, I stand by Perry Porn Day! It's not my fault it went on for 12 pages and three weeks!

And until you find a copy of SMFP's birth certificate as my screen saver, I'll take 'Loon Light' as my brand of choice, thanks.

Don't make me don the plastic ceremonial Beak, begin the chanting and make you die of laughter, LLL!

Ari, you are correct. My apologies to you. It was the out of control loons contributing to that thread that took it way beyond where it needed to go. I believe some of that behavior is what inspired the "Perry Panty Liners".

Oh, I am so wanting to see the Beak and the chanting! ROFLMAO!

You asked for it! Lo, one shall don the ceremonial plastic Beak, the blessed just-below-shoulder-length black wig and the thrice-sanctified yellow and black leopard print t-shirt and black tails (the red cabana-boy shirt is reserved for High Holy Days, of course)... bow three times in the direction of Hanford then kneel upon the holy pillow bearing the likeness of The Voice... clasp the blessed copy of 'Street Talk', preferably in vinyl to show 'cred'... pause to centre oneself by concentrating on the Shrine of Perry, then begin...
"We miss you Stevie... we miss you Stevie... we miss you Stevie..."



And remember - Steve moves in mysterious ways, his wonders to perform. Just not in public

Your font was too small to read, so I fixed it for ya

[Arianddu]

You forgot monstrous penis... just ask a loon about the green pants.

I hope you haven't "inspired" the loons to start another freaking Perry Porn thread.

Hey, I stand by Perry Porn Day! It's not my fault it went on for 12 pages and three weeks!

And until you find a copy of SMFP's birth certificate as my screen saver, I'll take 'Loon Light' as my brand of choice, thanks.

Don't make me don the plastic ceremonial Beak, begin the chanting and make you die of laughter, LLL!

Ari, you are correct. My apologies to you. It was the out of control loons contributing to that thread that took it way beyond where it needed to go. I believe some of that behavior is what inspired the "Perry Panty Liners".

Oh, I am so wanting to see the Beak and the chanting! ROFLMAO!

You asked for it! Lo, one shall don the ceremonial plastic Beak, the blessed just-below-shoulder-length black wig and the thrice-sanctified yellow and black leopard print t-shirt and black tails (the red cabana-boy shirt is reserved for High Holy Days, of course)... bow three times in the direction of Hanford then kneel upon the holy pillow bearing the likeness of The Voice... clasp the blessed copy of 'Street Talk', preferably in vinyl to show 'cred'... pause to centre oneself by concentrating on the Shrine of Perry, then begin...
"We miss you Stevie... we miss you Stevie... we miss you Stevie..."



And remember - Steve moves in mysterious ways, his wonders to perform. Just not in public

Your font was too small to read, so I fixed it for ya

I know nothing about this....

Liar. But it's ok, I won't tell anyone about your Stevie jim-jams, the ones with the full size print of SMFP on the inside, so you can sleep with him pressed against your body all night