Somewhere There's Hope FTLOSM

[Jubilee]

Fantastic song, fantastic album. Nuff said.

Totally AGREE!!!:wink:

Coming from a Michigan fan.....that's not exactly a stellar endorsement.....

Watch your mouth! I'm from Michigan, too!!

Are you from St. Louis?!?!?

No. I grew up in Grand Rapids.

Me too!

Small world...

Absolutely...I spent some time in the Big House, but I'm from one of the other Grand's!!!

??? Ville? Blanc? There are so many to choose from...

[Michigan Girl]

Blanc........... :wink:

[texafana]

He could definitely sing the night I saw him in 94. I could not get over how he was able to mimick that "legacy" Journey sound
with a totally different line up. The opening harmonies on "You Better Wait" get me everytime.
Always would have loved to hear Journey give that one a try. Maybe someday, eh???

That's because it was digital (fake) with live vocals from Steve and the band.

[annie89509]

To all you people who complain that FTLOSM is Boring i guess you must listen to it with cotton wool Balls in your ears. JMHO.

No. As a loon, it pains me to say it, but, the CD really IS boring. The live performance is what brings the songs to life. Otherwise, yep....YAWWWWN!

Ditto.

Ditto here, too. And I am the biggest loon there is. I LOVE TBF.

[annie89509]

He could definitely sing the night I saw him in 94. I could not get over how he was able to mimick that "legacy" Journey sound
with a totally different line up. The opening harmonies on "You Better Wait" get me everytime.
Always would have loved to hear Journey give that one a try. Maybe someday, eh???

That's because it was digital (fake) with live vocals from Steve and the band.

Elaborate, please, for the uninitiated.

[finalfight]

To all you people who complain that FTLOSM is Boring i guess you must listen to it with cotton wool Balls in your ears. JMHO.

No. As a loon, it pains me to say it, but, the CD really IS boring. The live performance is what brings the songs to life. Otherwise, yep....YAWWWWN!

Ditto.

Ditto here, too. And I am the biggest loon there is. I LOVE TBF.

Trial by Fire is a total snoozefest compared to FTLOSM. It's true. It's damn true!

[sonorstks]

He could definitely sing the night I saw him in 94. I could not get over how he was able to mimick that "legacy" Journey sound
with a totally different line up. The opening harmonies on "You Better Wait" get me everytime.
Always would have loved to hear Journey give that one a try. Maybe someday, eh???

That's because it was digital (fake) with live vocals from Steve and the band.

Amen for technology brother...

[bluejeangirl76]

Trial by Fire is a total snoozefest compared to FTLOSM. It's true. It's damn true!

I'm sorry but... that's false. It's damn false!

TBF is a lot better. TBF has Neal and Smith, for one thing. The songs are just all around better (although almost equally melancholy). TBF might be a little dark and somewhat depressing in a lot of places, but it almost makes you enjoy being depressed. "Wow, I kind of want to step on puppies right now, but fuck, that guitar solo was killer!" FTLOSM just makes me go "jesus... does anything happy ever happen to this character?"

[Rhiannon]

TBF might be a little dark and somewhat depressing in a lot of places, but it almost makes you enjoy being depressed. "Wow, I kind of want to step on puppies right now, but fuck, that guitar solo was killer!" FTLOSM just makes me go "jesus... does anything happy ever happen to this character?"

First off, .

Second, TBF is pensive and moody... FTLOSM is wanting to stick your hand in a blender.

[Onestepper]

TBF might be a little dark and somewhat depressing in a lot of places, but it almost makes you enjoy being depressed. "Wow, I kind of want to step on puppies right now, but fuck, that guitar solo was killer!" FTLOSM just makes me go "jesus... does anything happy ever happen to this character?"

First off, .

Second, TBF is pensive and moody... FTLOSM is wanting to stick your hand in a blender.

I think that might be the best description I've ever read.

[Jubilee]

Trial by Fire is a total snoozefest compared to FTLOSM. It's true. It's damn true!

I'm sorry but... that's false. It's damn false!

TBF is a lot better. TBF has Neal and Smith, for one thing. The songs are just all around better (although almost equally melancholy). TBF might be a little dark and somewhat depressing in a lot of places, but it almost makes you enjoy being depressed. "Wow, I kind of want to step on puppies right now, but fuck, that guitar solo was killer!" FTLOSM just makes me go "jesus... does anything happy ever happen to this character?"

Egg-xactically.

[Jana]

Trial by Fire is a total snoozefest compared to FTLOSM. It's true. It's damn true!

I'm sorry but... that's false. It's damn false!

TBF is a lot better. TBF has Neal and Smith, for one thing. The songs are just all around better (although almost equally melancholy). TBF might be a little dark and somewhat depressing in a lot of places, but it almost makes you enjoy being depressed. "Wow, I kind of want to step on puppies right now, but fuck, that guitar solo was killer!" FTLOSM just makes me go "jesus... does anything happy ever happen to this character?"

Egg-xactically.

So true, BJG. All I could think of is after leaving Journey and touring in 1987 to find a life, if this is how he was feeling in 1994 after eight years off, maybe he should have stayed on the road.

[la michelona]

Fantastic song, fantastic album. Nuff said.

Totally AGREE!!!:wink:

Coming from a Michigan fan.....that's not exactly a stellar endorsement.....

Watch your mouth! I'm from Michigan, too!!

Are you from St. Louis?!?!?

No. I grew up in Grand Rapids.

Me too!

Small world...

Absolutely...I spent some time in the Big House, but I'm from one of the other Grand's!!!

??? Ville? Blanc? There are so many to choose from...

Can I get in on the reunion with my fellow Michiganders?

[annie89509]

To all you people who complain that FTLOSM is Boring i guess you must listen to it with cotton wool Balls in your ears. JMHO.

No. As a loon, it pains me to say it, but, the CD really IS boring. The live performance is what brings the songs to life. Otherwise, yep....YAWWWWN!

Ditto.

Ditto here, too. And I am the biggest loon there is. I LOVE TBF.

Trial by Fire is a total snoozefest compared to FTLOSM. It's true. It's damn true!

And you call yourself a Journey fan .... shame, shame! I think BJG and Rhi got it right. FTLOSM was missing ... songs did not grab your attention. TBF had all the ingredients.

[annie89509]

Trial by Fire is a total snoozefest compared to FTLOSM. It's true. It's damn true!

I'm sorry but... that's false. It's damn false!

TBF is a lot better. TBF has Neal and Smith, for one thing. The songs are just all around better (although almost equally melancholy). TBF might be a little dark and somewhat depressing in a lot of places, but it almost makes you enjoy being depressed. "Wow, I kind of want to step on puppies right now, but fuck, that guitar solo was killer!" FTLOSM just makes me go "jesus... does anything happy ever happen to this character?"

Egg-xactically.

So true, BJG. All I could think of is after leaving Journey and touring in 1987 to find a life, if this is how he was feeling in 1994 after eight years off, maybe he should have stayed on the road.

Jana, another way to look at it is ... Steve unloading all his demons and wanting to explain why he had to "get off the merry-go-round" at the time he did. He addressed all this in the FTLOSM promo interviews.

[RunningAlone Pgh]

The night I saw him in Pittsburgh at the AJ Palumbo Center, he was killing also. A couple of the songs were dropped a half step or so, but you didn't notice it because he was so on with pitch, tone and massive power.

It's hilarious to me when someone says that band had "inferior" musicians. That's completely false. That band sounded spectacular and all of those guys play their asses off. Every signature Journey part was covered and the FTLOSM stuff was excellent.

I also was there that night in the 2nd row and agree totally. He (and the entire band) was awesome! His voice was just gorgeous and -as always- he made everyone feel like he was singing directly to them.

[finalfight]

TBF might be a little dark and somewhat depressing in a lot of places, but it almost makes you enjoy being depressed. "Wow, I kind of want to step on puppies right now, but fuck, that guitar solo was killer!" FTLOSM just makes me go "jesus... does anything happy ever happen to this character?"

First off, .

Second, TBF is pensive and moody... FTLOSM is wanting to stick your hand in a blender.

Another one for the list!

Trial By Fire has a handful of good songs but a handful is all. There is some real sh!t on there - One More, Colors of the Spirit - get outta here!

For the Love of Strange Medicine is a masterpiece of musical cinema and also a vocal tour de force for Mr Perry, arguably amongst his best work. By the time Trial By Fire came around he sounded tired. In many ways the two albums are similar in tone but Trial lacks the energy of it's predecessor.

The songs from FTLOSM also sounded great live - very energetic. In stark counterpoint there is a reason that much of Trial By Fire is now ignored by Journey.

Arrival was a return to form for the band.

[Rhiannon]

There is some real sh!t on there - One More

WHAT ARE YOU!?!

[Gideon]

TBF might be a little dark and somewhat depressing in a lot of places, but it almost makes you enjoy being depressed. "Wow, I kind of want to step on puppies right now, but fuck, that guitar solo was killer!" FTLOSM just makes me go "jesus... does anything happy ever happen to this character?"

First off, .

Second, TBF is pensive and moody... FTLOSM is wanting to stick your hand in a blender.

Another one for the list!

Trial By Fire has a handful of good songs but a handful is all. There is some real sh!t on there - One More, Colors of the Spirit - get outta here!

For the Love of Strange Medicine is a masterpiece of musical cinema and also a vocal tour de force for Mr Perry, arguably amongst his best work. By the time Trial By Fire came around he sounded tired. In many ways the two albums are similar in tone but Trial lacks the energy of it's predecessor.

The songs from FTLOSM also sounded great live - very energetic. In stark counterpoint there is a reason that much of Trial By Fire is now ignored by Journey.

Arrival was a return to form for the band.

Jesus H. C. F. Reginald Christ.

Are you kidding me?

Trial By Fire is the best album Journey has ever produced. Their songwriting is at its peak, the musicianship is at its peak, and the vocals -- while technically inferior -- still have the patented Perry emotive quality and supportive harmonies that make it phenomenal.

For the Love of Strange Medicine is a decent album with superior vocals, but the musicianship is sub-par, the writing is sub-par, the overall construction is sub-par.

And nothing on that album compares to the energy of songs like "Message of Love," "One More," "Can't Tame The Lion," "I Can See It In Your Eyes," and so forth.

Shame, FF. Shame...

[S2M]

You'll have to excuse FF, he's on Greenwich Mean Time....

[Gideon]

You'll have to excuse FF, he's on Greenwich Mean Time....

Has he been sneaking into the liquor cabinet?

[Michigan Girl]

Can I get in on the reunion with my fellow Michiganders?

Absolutely!!! Must give a shout out to FTLOSM though!!

[finalfight]

There is some real sh!t on there - One More

WHAT ARE YOU!?!

I'm Batman!

[finalfight]

TBF might be a little dark and somewhat depressing in a lot of places, but it almost makes you enjoy being depressed. "Wow, I kind of want to step on puppies right now, but fuck, that guitar solo was killer!" FTLOSM just makes me go "jesus... does anything happy ever happen to this character?"

First off, .

Second, TBF is pensive and moody... FTLOSM is wanting to stick your hand in a blender.

Another one for the list!

Trial By Fire has a handful of good songs but a handful is all. There is some real sh!t on there - One More, Colors of the Spirit - get outta here!

For the Love of Strange Medicine is a masterpiece of musical cinema and also a vocal tour de force for Mr Perry, arguably amongst his best work. By the time Trial By Fire came around he sounded tired. In many ways the two albums are similar in tone but Trial lacks the energy of it's predecessor.

The songs from FTLOSM also sounded great live - very energetic. In stark counterpoint there is a reason that much of Trial By Fire is now ignored by Journey.

Arrival was a return to form for the band.

Jesus H. C. F. Reginald Christ.

Are you kidding me?

Trial By Fire is the best album Journey has ever produced. Their songwriting is at its peak, the musicianship is at its peak, and the vocals -- while technically inferior -- still have the patented Perry emotive quality and supportive harmonies that make it phenomenal.

For the Love of Strange Medicine is a decent album with superior vocals, but the musicianship is sub-par, the writing is sub-par, the overall construction is sub-par.

And nothing on that album compares to the energy of songs like "Message of Love," "One More," "Can't Tame The Lion," "I Can See It In Your Eyes," and so forth.

Shame, FF. Shame...

Message of Love is a retread of Separate Ways
One More is overwrought and whiny musically and am embarrassment lyrically. Yes I know everyone digs it as a rocker, but I listen to REAL rock music outside of Journey and this 'aint even a decent attempt.
Can't Tame the Lion is repetitive to the extreme
I Can See it In Your Eyes is pure fluff. Filler.

All of the above are devoid of any real emotion.

Had 'Ordeal by Boredom' been the best album Journey had produced I for one would not be here now. I suspect teh same could be said of many other posters.

Oh did I mention the album cover is terrible too!

[artist4perry]

There is some real sh!t on there - One More

WHAT ARE YOU!?!

I'm Batman!

A little gender confused.........but Batman just the same!

Sorry sugar bear, I love Message of love. Guess it depends on what you like. When Perry asks can you hear me callin? I say yes SIR! LOL! Stirring at least in my oppinion.

[Rhiannon]

There is some real sh!t on there - One More

WHAT ARE YOU!?!

I'm Batman!

Your avatar would suggest otherwise... unless you're the Clooney Batman.

[Onestepper]

TBF might be a little dark and somewhat depressing in a lot of places, but it almost makes you enjoy being depressed. "Wow, I kind of want to step on puppies right now, but fuck, that guitar solo was killer!" FTLOSM just makes me go "jesus... does anything happy ever happen to this character?"

First off, .

Second, TBF is pensive and moody... FTLOSM is wanting to stick your hand in a blender.

Another one for the list!

Trial By Fire has a handful of good songs but a handful is all. There is some real sh!t on there - One More, Colors of the Spirit - get outta here!

For the Love of Strange Medicine is a masterpiece of musical cinema and also a vocal tour de force for Mr Perry, arguably amongst his best work. By the time Trial By Fire came around he sounded tired. In many ways the two albums are similar in tone but Trial lacks the energy of it's predecessor.

The songs from FTLOSM also sounded great live - very energetic. In stark counterpoint there is a reason that much of Trial By Fire is now ignored by Journey.

Arrival was a return to form for the band.

Jesus H. C. F. Reginald Christ.

Are you kidding me?

Trial By Fire is the best album Journey has ever produced. Their songwriting is at its peak, the musicianship is at its peak, and the vocals -- while technically inferior -- still have the patented Perry emotive quality and supportive harmonies that make it phenomenal.

For the Love of Strange Medicine is a decent album with superior vocals, but the musicianship is sub-par, the writing is sub-par, the overall construction is sub-par.

And nothing on that album compares to the energy of songs like "Message of Love," "One More," "Can't Tame The Lion," "I Can See It In Your Eyes," and so forth.

Shame, FF. Shame...

Okay, so maybe this is now the funniest thing I've ever read. I respect your opinion Gideon. Luckily it's an opinion, and most are going to disagree with you. Staunchly.

[Gideon]

Okay, so maybe this is now the funniest thing I've ever read. I respect your opinion Gideon. Luckily it's an opinion, and most are going to disagree with you. Staunchly.

Bring them on.

Seriously, preference is clearly subjective, but I don't see anyone making a credible argument that Trial By Fire was anything less than their finest albums in terms of musicianship and songwriting. I mean, I'd much rather never have the TBF patented ballad/rock ratio, since I figure that TBF was the culmination of thousands of possibilities, probabilities, and experiences -- something that can never be pulled off again.

Not as well, anyways. But I make room for the possibility that I'm wrong.

[parfait]

Bring them on.

Seriously, preference is clearly subjective, [/b]but I don't see anyone making a credible argument that Trial By Fire was anything less than their finest albums in terms of musicianship and songwriting. I mean, I'd much rather never have the TBF patented ballad/rock ratio, since I figure that TBF was the culmination of thousands of possibilities, probabilities, and experiences -- something that can never be pulled off again.

Not as well, anyways. But I make room for the possibility that I'm wrong.

You don't see anyone making a credible argument that TBF aint their best record? That's just crazy, man. TBF holds nothing to Evolution or Departure in terms of songwriting and musicianship. Go listen to Feeling that Way or Walks like a Lady - the jazz/fusion mix Journey had going on, before mister Jonathan Cain jumped aboard, was freaking crazy. But I got the whole "Steve Perry's voice matured" stuff, but still - crazy talk.

[Onestepper]

Bring them on.

Seriously, preference is clearly subjective, [/b]but I don't see anyone making a credible argument that Trial By Fire was anything less than their finest albums in terms of musicianship and songwriting. I mean, I'd much rather never have the TBF patented ballad/rock ratio, since I figure that TBF was the culmination of thousands of possibilities, probabilities, and experiences -- something that can never be pulled off again.

Not as well, anyways. But I make room for the possibility that I'm wrong.

You don't see anyone making a credible argument that TBF aint their best record? That's just crazy, man. TBF holds nothing to Evolution or Departure in terms of songwriting and musicianship. Go listen to Feeling that Way or Walks like a Lady - the jazz/fusion mix Journey had going on, before mister Jonathan Cain jumped aboard, was freaking crazy. But I got the whole "Steve Perry's voice matured" stuff, but still - crazy talk.

Exactly. And I don't bother trying to argue about what is the 'BEST' considering that I'm well aware everyone's opinion/likes/dislikes are different. It's a mute point. TBF represented a huge disappointment to me when it came out. While I believe the writing was deep and thoughtful on, I could argue just the same that it was so dark that it became a burden to listen to when compared to more inspired works from earlier days.