Tuning Down {its about time}

[stevew2]

A poster on AP''s website site said he spoke to Arnel earlier and he confirmed they are stepped down or whatever. So it looks like our musicians know what they are talking about.

Too bad they can't split the concerts in half, Old stuff detuned and new stuff in original key. The new ballads just drag with the new arrangement, not digging it at all, No wonder they dropped TDTWT, it probably can't be done justice this way.

Of course, playing Festivals and State fairs this year, the sound isn't going to be stellar anyway so no big deal I guess.

The question is, if they are doing this for a short tour like the one this year, what's going to happen to new songs when they release a new album and go on one of those 70 show tours to support it, are they going to play the new songs stepped down right off the bat?

Once fagas piano is detuned, thats the way its going to stay, he is to retarded to have to physically play in a different key ,unless he uses that fake piano he used on the lipping tour,{which if they tuned down back then,they might have safed singer # 3,instead saving singer # 5. Cock bobblers

[Liam]

So they're NOT trying to kill AP's voice and then throw him under the bus like they did with Steve Augeri. Nice. FUCKIN' ASSHOLES.

[stevew2]

So they're NOT trying to kill AP's voice and then throw him under the bus like they did with Steve Augeri. Nice. FUCKIN' ASSHOLES.

Its a money thing,he is there last hope,if they fuck him like they did Augeri,Friga will have to resort to his shitty solo Cds ,and Neal will hit the bottle again and lose his wife with the big teeth and teets.They are not doing it cause they are now " better people"

[Gideon]

So they're NOT trying to kill AP's voice and then throw him under the bus like they did with Steve Augeri. Nice. FUCKIN' ASSHOLES.

Its a money thing,he is there last hope,if they fuck him like they did Augeri,Friga will have to resort to his shitty solo Cds ,and Neal will hit the bottle again and lose his wife with the big teeth and teets.They are not doing it cause they are now " better people"

I don't think so, actually. If Steve Perry can transform from the power-hungry, narcissistic asshole he was in their heyday to the private and content man at peace with the world and respect for the men he once screwed more than once, I make room for the possibility that Neal Schon and Jonathan Cain can rise above their own indiscretions. There is an energy in that band I haven't seen from the Youtubes or various concerts since the Perry days. Neal's sober (as is Deen, if I recall correctly), he's back on the wireless guitar, he's associating with Arnel and the rest of the band on stage, he's all smiles, hell -- he's ran across stage more than once. Arnel may not be the second coming of Steve Perry or Jesus Christ, but I'd imagine a man of his talent and characteristic humility has shown the rest of the band that they needn't be assholes, drunks, or whatever (not that they were necessarily to begin with).

I think they've all improved as people.

[stevew2]

So they're NOT trying to kill AP's voice and then throw him under the bus like they did with Steve Augeri. Nice. FUCKIN' ASSHOLES.

Its a money thing,he is there last hope,if they fuck him like they did Augeri,Friga will have to resort to his shitty solo Cds ,and Neal will hit the bottle again and lose his wife with the big teeth and teets.They are not doing it cause they are now " better people"

I don't think so, actually. If Steve Perry can transform from the power-hungry, narcissistic asshole he was in their heyday to the private and content man at peace with the world and respect for the men he once screwed more than once, I make room for the possibility that Neal Schon and Jonathan Cain can rise above their own indiscretions. There is an energy in that band I haven't seen from the Youtubes or various concerts since the Perry days. Neal's sober (as is Deen, if I recall correctly), he's back on the wireless guitar, he's associating with Arnel and the rest of the band on stage, he's all smiles, hell -- he's ran across stage more than once. Arnel may not be the second coming of Steve Perry or Jesus Christ, but I'd imagine a man of his talent and characteristic humility has shown the rest of the band that they needn't be assholes, drunks, or whatever (not that they were necessarily to begin with).

I think they've all improved as people.

You can beleive that if you want to,I dont.If his voice went Kaput say for a week, neal would on you tube, or makin a phone call. they would never stop in a middle of a tour. Dont let them fool you,you ll be in for a big disappointment

[Gideon]

Actually, I think that given Journey's history of going through lead singers like (insert random joke about Neal Schon and divorces here), Arnel truly is there last hope. I don't think they'd have the credibility to survive losing him.

[stevew2]

Actually, I think that given Journey's history of going through lead singers like (insert random joke about Neal Schon and divorces here), Arnel truly is there last hope. I don't think they'd have the credibility to survive losing him.

You are right they used his talent and his situation to get publicity,if they blow it now, they will look like bigger dicks than they ever have

[Liam]

Arnel's not the last lead singer for Juhnee. They'll fuck him over, tour to death, and throw him under the bus. I hear there are some lead singers in Korea that are looking for work. There's also this one dude in Peru...

[whirlwind]

I can't help wondering where Journey would be right now if they had kept JSS.

I think that Journey would have had a fresh start and new great music instead of a stale Journey with giving a big break to someone like Arnel. I think that it's all about Arnel and his powerful voice with the Journey name backing him up.

When I heard JSS on the past holiday special, I couldn't help feel that Journey missed the boat there. A new album with his imput might have brought the band up to date.

[DrFU]

Arnel's not the last lead singer for Juhnee. They'll fuck him over, tour to death, and throw him under the bus. I hear there are some lead singers in Korea that are looking for work. There's also this one dude in Peru...

Dude. Get in the car, pop in some classic Journey, and take a drive out 47 on to 21 toward Caldwell. The bluebonnets are in full glory ... marinate in beauty rather than in venom ...

[skinsguy]

Journey fans are certainly a fickle bunch. The whole point in the hiring of Arnel Pineda was to have a return of the "legacy sound". Now the band is detuning songs? And I understand that some bands do this all the time for live performances, but some bands suck live and have no choice. Journey has always been a great live band, and doing this now means that they're having issues with Arnel's performances.

Why didn't they just do this with Steve Augeri? Steve would've probably still been in the band? What about Perry's time in the band? Did the band ever play "detuned" during the 80's?

[Liam]

Arnel's not the last lead singer for Juhnee. They'll fuck him over, tour to death, and throw him under the bus. I hear there are some lead singers in Korea that are looking for work. There's also this one dude in Peru...

Dude. Get in the car, pop in some classic Journey, and take a drive out 47 on to 21 toward Caldwell. The bluebonnets are in full glory ... marinate in beauty rather than in venom ...

You talking about "Classic Journey" with a GOOD lead singer, or Juhnee with a sub par one??

[Gideon]

Arnel's not the last lead singer for Juhnee. They'll fuck him over, tour to death, and throw him under the bus. I hear there are some lead singers in Korea that are looking for work. There's also this one dude in Peru...

Dude. Get in the car, pop in some classic Journey, and take a drive out 47 on to 21 toward Caldwell. The bluebonnets are in full glory ... marinate in beauty rather than in venom ...

You talking about "Classic Journey" with a GOOD lead singer, or Juhnee with a sub par one??

I'm genuinely interested, because I don't know you. Do you dislike Arnel because you objectively don't enjoy his voice? Or is it because he's foreign? Or is it because you dislike the band and target a good man as the object of your embittered loathing?

I think the rest of the forum is curious as well, so I thought I'd ask.

[stevew2]

Journey fans are certainly a fickle bunch. The whole point in the hiring of Arnel Pineda was to have a return of the "legacy sound". Now the band is detuning songs? And I understand that some bands do this all the time for live performances, but some bands suck live and have no choice. Journey has always been a great live band, and doing this now means that they're having issues with Arnel's performances.

Why didn't they just do this with Steve Augeri? Steve would've probably still been in the band? What about Perry's time in the band? Did the band ever play "detuned" during the 80's?

I dont know if they detuned in the 80 s,hope not,as far as Augeri they didnt give a shit then they just used tapes and got away with it for a year plus,they ed still be doing it if they didnt get caught.They sure cant do it now, so they are backed in a corner,lower the key is there only option

[Liam]

His inability to sing the songs in proper English is one thing. his ethnicity has NOTHING to do with it other than his grammar. The band itself...well...Neal and Jon are fucked in the head.
I used to love this band, but THEY killed it. It sickens me to come back here and see all this BT shit. REALLY...the remaining members from awhile ago were all united in wanting to blow Back Talk up, yet now they're PART OF IT. That's it....

ANDREW...DELETE ME.

[Gideon]

Journey fans are certainly a fickle bunch. The whole point in the hiring of Arnel Pineda was to have a return of the "legacy sound". Now the band is detuning songs? And I understand that some bands do this all the time for live performances, but some bands suck live and have no choice. Journey has always been a great live band, and doing this now means that they're having issues with Arnel's performances.

Why didn't they just do this with Steve Augeri? Steve would've probably still been in the band? What about Perry's time in the band? Did the band ever play "detuned" during the 80's?

Whoa. Way to fail Logic 101.

That could be a reason. But as Brywool has been shouting from the rooftops on deaf ears ad infinitum, it could simply be a precaution. Look at Arnel's concert in Manila; he'd just got back from 2-3 shows in Tokyo for a 25 song set and nailed it without difficulty.

But there's no reason to conclude beyond a shadow of a doubt that this is the exact reason.

As for Augeri, I was listening to "Eternal Light" and "Faith in the Heartland" recently, and the bastard has grown on me. I actually think, though his voice isn't nearly as strong as Arnel's, I prefer his tone.

[Gideon]

His inability to sing the songs in proper English is one thing.

While he has phrasing issues, I submit that you aren't nearly as versed in Arnel's performances as you'd like to think.

his ethnicity has NOTHING to do with it other than his grammar.

The defining statement. One would wonder then, since you're aware of this, why you would constantly use his ethnicity as a point of contention and cruel humor.

Good to know you're getting your daily dose of Vitamin-H (for hypocrite).

The band itself...well...Neal and Jon are fucked in the head.

Your close and personal relationship testifies to this fact?

I used to love this band, but THEY killed it.

Still haven't figured out the cause of your bitterness.

It sickens me to come back here and see all this BT shit.

If by BT you mean BeforeTrolling, I agree. You can disagree, you can dislike Arnel. You're just not allowed to be a complete fuck up about it.

REALLY...the remaining members from awhile ago were all united in wanting to blow Back Talk up, yet now they're PART OF IT. That's it....

They matured.

ANDREW...DELETE ME.

You could always log out and never return. Or are you that addicted to this place?

[DrFU]

Arnel's not the last lead singer for Juhnee. They'll fuck him over, tour to death, and throw him under the bus. I hear there are some lead singers in Korea that are looking for work. There's also this one dude in Peru...

Dude. Get in the car, pop in some classic Journey, and take a drive out 47 on to 21 toward Caldwell. The bluebonnets are in full glory ... marinate in beauty rather than in venom ...

You talking about "Classic Journey" with a GOOD lead singer, or Juhnee with a sub par one??

Talking about relentless negativity being a soul-sucking road to nowhere ... this is not the Aggie way ...

[Don]

His inability to sing the songs in proper English is one thing.

While he has phrasing issues, I submit that you aren't nearly as versed in Arnel's performances as you'd like to think.

his ethnicity has NOTHING to do with it other than his grammar.

The defining statement. One would wonder then, since you're aware of this, why you would constantly use his ethnicity as a point of contention and cruel humor.

Good to know you're getting your daily dose of Vitamin-H (for hypocrite).

The band itself...well...Neal and Jon are fucked in the head.

Your close and personal relationship testifies to this fact?

I used to love this band, but THEY killed it.

Still haven't figured out the cause of your bitterness.

It sickens me to come back here and see all this BT shit.

If by BT you mean BeforeTrolling, I agree. You can disagree, you can dislike Arnel. You're just not allowed to be a complete fuck up about it.

REALLY...the remaining members from awhile ago were all united in wanting to blow Back Talk up, yet now they're PART OF IT. That's it....

They matured.

ANDREW...DELETE ME.

You could always log out and never return. Or are you that addicted to this place?

BT was the old Journey boards, Back Talk. Apparently if you didn't tow the line that S.A and Journey were God , and SP was the devil incarnate, then you were persona non grata on that site.

[Gideon]

His inability to sing the songs in proper English is one thing.

While he has phrasing issues, I submit that you aren't nearly as versed in Arnel's performances as you'd like to think.

his ethnicity has NOTHING to do with it other than his grammar.

The defining statement. One would wonder then, since you're aware of this, why you would constantly use his ethnicity as a point of contention and cruel humor.

Good to know you're getting your daily dose of Vitamin-H (for hypocrite).

The band itself...well...Neal and Jon are fucked in the head.

Your close and personal relationship testifies to this fact?

I used to love this band, but THEY killed it.

Still haven't figured out the cause of your bitterness.

It sickens me to come back here and see all this BT shit.

If by BT you mean BeforeTrolling, I agree. You can disagree, you can dislike Arnel. You're just not allowed to be a complete fuck up about it.

REALLY...the remaining members from awhile ago were all united in wanting to blow Back Talk up, yet now they're PART OF IT. That's it....

They matured.

ANDREW...DELETE ME.

You could always log out and never return. Or are you that addicted to this place?

BT was the old Journey boards, Back Talk. Apparently if you didn't tow the line that S.A and Journey were God , and SP was the devil incarnate, then you were persona non grata on that site.

I know. I just used the acronym as a means of jabbing him. Journey isn't god, Steve Perry was a narcissistic ass, but one of (if not the) finest singer in pop/rock music history. But I do love S.A.

[Don]

BT was the old Journey boards, Back Talk. Apparently if you didn't tow the line that S.A and Journey were God , and SP was the devil incarnate, then you were persona non grata on that site.

I know. I just used the acronym as a means of jabbing him. Journey isn't god, Steve Perry was a narcissistic ass, but one of (if not the) finest singer in pop/rock music history. But I do love S.A.

They were all pricks in their own way back then. Smitty and Rolie probably had their moments too for all we know.

[Gibby]

Jesus H. Christ it's only 1/2 step folks. There's no possible way it sounds 'dull' or that it 'drags'. It's the same EQ and same preprogrammed tempo. Remember they are tracking every song - so the tempo is the same night after night and year after year. It's all computerized as far as detuning the keyboards and the canned vocals. Ross and Neals techs tune down a half step on the guitars and that's it. Bryan Adams has been doing it the last few years as well. I don't know if Def Leppard is doing it yet but they should before Joe Elliott shits his pants trying to hit the old high notes.

[Ehwmatt]

Jesus H. Christ it's only 1/2 step folks. There's no possible way it sounds 'dull' or that it 'drags'. It's the same EQ and same preprogrammed tempo. Remember they are tracking every song - so the tempo is the same night after night and year after year. It's all computerized as far as detuning the keyboards and the canned vocals. Ross and Neals techs tune down a half step on the guitars and that's it. Bryan Adams has been doing it the last few years as well. I don't know if Def Leppard is doing it yet but they should before Joe Elliott shits his pants trying to hit the old high notes.

Leppard's been doing it for many years. "Drag" might be the wrong word to describe the negative effects of the downtune in Journey's SPECIFIC case. I do feel that some of the melodies, which to my ears are much more dynamic and "lively" than Leppard or Bryan Adams's (and I like both/have seen both live), suffer greatly even tuned down just 1/2 step. Now, once I see the band live in the flesh, it probably won't bother me nearly as much, I'll be having fun. But it's not ideal in my eyes from a performance standpoint. If it helps longevity, though, I can live with it.

[la michelona]

His inability to sing the songs in proper English is one thing. his ethnicity has NOTHING to do with it other than his grammar. The band itself...well...Neal and Jon are fucked in the head.
I used to love this band, but THEY killed it. It sickens me to come back here and see all this BT shit. REALLY...the remaining members from awhile ago were all united in wanting to blow Back Talk up, yet now they're PART OF IT. That's it....

ANDREW...DELETE ME.

Hmmmm. How would his grammar impact songs with fixed lyrics? Are you complaining about his ability to speak in interviews or his ability to articulate phonemes to your liking? Your ignorance is astounding - its limits appear to know no bounds.

[Don]

If they tuned up for the Manila concert DVD, it must cause some kind of noticeable effect, right? Anyway, the venues they are playing this year aren't exactly music friendly theaters so no biggie in the long run I guess. Just lower ticket prices accordingly and it's all good.

[Rip Rokken]

His inability to sing the songs in proper English is one thing. his ethnicity has NOTHING to do with it other than his grammar. The band itself...well...Neal and Jon are fucked in the head.
I used to love this band, but THEY killed it. It sickens me to come back here and see all this BT shit. REALLY...the remaining members from awhile ago were all united in wanting to blow Back Talk up, yet now they're PART OF IT. That's it....

ANDREW...DELETE ME.

Andrew, I vote to give him his wish. He entertains me too, but I get bored easy. Next???

[Rip Rokken]

I know. I just used the acronym as a means of jabbing him. Journey isn't god, Steve Perry was a narcissistic ass, but one of (if not the) finest singer in pop/rock music history. But I do love S.A.

That's the beauty of this board, ain't it? We can all have our own preferences and co-exist and discuss them whether we agree or not. Here's where I come from... I love melodic rock and Journey is one of my favorite melodic rock bands. I love all the singers and everything they've contributed to the history of the band. But they aren't a sports team and people fighting over them, or arguing anything regarding Journey to the point that someone gets hurt or ticked off is ridiculous.

I love the music from all eras, and support and appreciate all the singers. Each one contributed something that brought me a lot of enjoyment at some point, whether jamming in the car or rocking out at a show. I do have to admit that I have a special appreciation for Augeri, Soto and Arnel because of the challenges each had in fronting the band, and also because I've met each of them and they are all top notch people. Hope to meet Steve Perry someday too, and am looking forward to new music from him just as Arnel is.

The behavior of the idjits speaks for itself.

[brywool]

His inability to sing the songs in proper English is one thing. his ethnicity has NOTHING to do with it other than his grammar. The band itself...well...Neal and Jon are fucked in the head.
I used to love this band, but THEY killed it. It sickens me to come back here and see all this BT shit. REALLY...the remaining members from awhile ago were all united in wanting to blow Back Talk up, yet now they're PART OF IT. That's it....

ANDREW...DELETE ME.

Gimme a break...
Neal and Jon rescued the band. TWICE. What happened with Augeri happened. WHAT THE HELL WAS THE BAND SUPPOSED TO DO? They probably hoped he would pull out of his tailspin and gave him the chance to do so, but Steve's problems were insurmountable at that time.

With Pineda, the guy seriously kicks ass. Has a huge range and is bringing Journey some good (for a change) publicity. I'm not sure how that equates to killing the band.

I don't see it as back talk. Then we'd be talking about how cute this person is or what that band member's favorite colour is...

At the time of tapegate and Jss, I was seriously no longer interested in the band. The fact that they got a killer singer fronting the band brought me back. With that guy's voice, I could give a crap where he's from, what he eats, or how tall he is.

The guy can sing. Period. Should be the end of the story.

[brywool]

I know. I just used the acronym as a means of jabbing him. Journey isn't god, Steve Perry was a narcissistic ass, but one of (if not the) finest singer in pop/rock music history. But I do love S.A.

That's the beauty of this board, ain't it? We can all have our own preferences and co-exist and discuss them whether we agree or not. Here's where I come from... I love melodic rock and Journey is one of my favorite melodic rock bands. I love all the singers and everything they've contributed to the history of the band. But they aren't a sports team and people fighting over them, or arguing anything regarding Journey to the point that someone gets hurt or ticked off is ridiculous.

I love the music from all eras, and support and appreciate all the singers. Each one contributed something that brought me a lot of enjoyment at some point, whether jamming in the car or rocking out at a show. I do have to admit that I have a special appreciation for Augeri, Soto and Arnel because of the challenges each had in fronting the band, and also because I've met each of them and they are all top notch people. Hope to meet Steve Perry someday too, and am looking forward to new music from him just as Arnel is.

The behavior of the idjits speaks for itself.

Love your Av Rick.

[Don]

I know. I just used the acronym as a means of jabbing him. Journey isn't god, Steve Perry was a narcissistic ass, but one of (if not the) finest singer in pop/rock music history. But I do love S.A.

That's the beauty of this board, ain't it? We can all have our own preferences and co-exist and discuss them whether we agree or not. Here's where I come from... I love melodic rock and Journey is one of my favorite melodic rock bands. I love all the singers and everything they've contributed to the history of the band. But they aren't a sports team and people fighting over them, or arguing anything regarding Journey to the point that someone gets hurt or ticked off is ridiculous.

I love the music from all eras, and support and appreciate all the singers. Each one contributed something that brought me a lot of enjoyment at some point, whether jamming in the car or rocking out at a show. I do have to admit that I have a special appreciation for Augeri, Soto and Arnel because of the challenges each had in fronting the band, and also because I've met each of them and they are all top notch people. Hope to meet Steve Perry someday too, and am looking forward to new music from him just as Arnel is.

The behavior of the idjits speaks for itself.

Love your Av Rick.

Do you want to be Filipino too? After living there for a few years, I appreciate being American even more and so do a lot of them apparently as there is no shortage of Pinoys waiting for Greencards.