NealMOTHERFUCKINGSchon

[YoungJRNY]

:roll:

I like Neal's playing, but there's only one person with mutherfucker in the middle of his name. SMFP

Steve Perry doesn't deserve to have any swear words in his name.. esp that of MOTHER FUCKING. We haven't hear from the dick for a little over a decade now. Neal has been traveling the grueling roads while Perry sits at home tickling his anal making millions while Neal makes his worth like a real man.

Neal
Mother
Fucking
Schon

That reminds me; I reread the "Castles Burning" interview, and apparently Perry gets a percentage of what they make on the road (not royalties). Now I understand what Neal meant by "getting paid like a motherfucker even though he shouldn't."

He deserves "royalties" as he was co-creator for most of those awesome songs, but if he took a share of money from the road then he is a real piece of shit. I see no other alternative explanation.

Well i say good for him he worked his ass off 24/7.You go SP You Rule

Work "ED". Mike Tyson worked his ass of too back in his day, and I'm sure he doesn't get a percentage of wages every time a guy he's faught fights another fighter.

Perry "worked hard" back in the late 70's-80's. Where has Mr.Perry been since? Noone knows, actually (except for Madsplash.)

Where has Journey been since? Traveling the bumpy and smooth roads and making decisions, for good OR for worse just to keep their name up and running, while touring for themselves and for the fans. Steve Perry is NOT Journey. Since his departure, Journey came out with 4 new albums.

Everyone is so quick to say Steve Perry made Journey. No he didn't, Journey made Journey, all 5 members in which ever era. Take Jonathan Caine's signature keys out of their sound, or Neal's rifts and we'll see how far Steve Perry can go with the Journey name. The answer is nowhere. They made the music behind Perry, and the whole product would be shit without it. Yes, Perry's voice came in at the right timing period, but to give him the success over the other band members who equally made the name to where it is today is bullshit, and while he sits at home making "albums" he probably will never put out, he gets the money from his band mates who are living up to the name, and virtually made HIM as a singer. Journey moved on without Perry, and pretty much did what they would of done without him in this time period anyway. Point: Journey. Rant: Over.

[Gideon]

That's your opinion. Who's to say if he DESERVES it. It's just opinion. But Neal must have thought he deserved it. He had to sign the agreement.

Deserve or not is opinion. The fact is, he's getting paid. Wonder if Neal got paid when SMFP played Journey songs on the FTLOSM tour? Hmm......

You've all but sealed something I've long maintained. Perry can't let go of the past. Whether it was Journey trying to move on without him when he wouldn't tour anymore or him asking them to change the name, it's all about him grasping at whatever straw he can to live vicariously through their touring or trying to "one up" them by getting an equal share, and winning some small battle in his troubled mind. Funny how he didn't care if Journey changed their name when he joined and they ousted Fleischmann. And you need to take a look at TNC's signature. I believe it says "The very name Journey implies change and have to go with that." Steve Perry said that. That makes him the model of hypocrisy.

The fact that he got paid an equal share leads me to believe that they had to buy out his share of the corporation and he wasn't willing to do so without being an asshole or that he had wrestled majority control from Neal. At any rate, it shows a guy grasping to the past who is afraid of letting go of something for fear of being forgotten. He seems to have massive confidence issues and this is a glaring example of him taking extreme measures to ensure that he's not forgotten. No wonder people call his fans "loons." He's the very definition of that term.

+1.

The only way that Perry's actions would be remotely ethical is if Journey has received/or will receive money from his tours, since the majority of the setlist was Journey songs.

And even then, they don't deserve money when he tours, and vice versa.

Sorry, this isn't justifiable.

[Gideon]

So, YoungJRNY, you and I completely agree.

And Herbie's claim that Perry gets a sizeable chunk of the tour revenue is in Castles Burning, part 3, pages 13-14.

[Peartree12249]

That's your opinion. Who's to say if he DESERVES it. It's just opinion. But Neal must have thought he deserved it. He had to sign the agreement.

Deserve or not is opinion. The fact is, he's getting paid. Wonder if Neal got paid when SMFP played Journey songs on the FTLOSM tour? Hmm......

You've all but sealed something I've long maintained. Perry can't let go of the past. Whether it was Journey trying to move on without him when he wouldn't tour anymore or him asking them to change the name, it's all about him grasping at whatever straw he can to live vicariously through their touring or trying to "one up" them by getting an equal share, and winning some small battle in his troubled mind. Funny how he didn't care if Journey changed their name when he joined and they ousted Fleischmann. And you need to take a look at TNC's signature. I believe it says "The very name Journey implies change and have to go with that." Steve Perry said that. That makes him the model of hypocrisy.

The fact that he got paid an equal share leads me to believe that they had to buy out his share of the corporation and he wasn't willing to do so without being an asshole or that he had wrestled majority control from Neal. At any rate, it shows a guy grasping to the past who is afraid of letting go of something for fear of being forgotten. He seems to have massive confidence issues and this is a glaring example of him taking extreme measures to ensure that he's not forgotten. No wonder people call his fans "loons." He's the very definition of that term.

+1.

The only way that Perry's actions would be remotely ethical is if Journey has received/or will receive money from his tours, since the majority of the setlist was Journey songs.

And even then, they don't deserve money when he tours, and vice versa.

Sorry, this isn't justifiable.

This was a contentious divorce in the truest sense of the word, and SP reacted like the wife whose husband is leaving her for another woman. It's not about ethics or who deserves what. It's about I'm going to punish that SOB. I'm going to take him for everything he's worth. I gave him the best years of my life and now that bastard is leaving me for someone else. I'm not saying it's right, I'm just saying...

[Gideon]

That's your opinion. Who's to say if he DESERVES it. It's just opinion. But Neal must have thought he deserved it. He had to sign the agreement.

Deserve or not is opinion. The fact is, he's getting paid. Wonder if Neal got paid when SMFP played Journey songs on the FTLOSM tour? Hmm......

You've all but sealed something I've long maintained. Perry can't let go of the past. Whether it was Journey trying to move on without him when he wouldn't tour anymore or him asking them to change the name, it's all about him grasping at whatever straw he can to live vicariously through their touring or trying to "one up" them by getting an equal share, and winning some small battle in his troubled mind. Funny how he didn't care if Journey changed their name when he joined and they ousted Fleischmann. And you need to take a look at TNC's signature. I believe it says "The very name Journey implies change and have to go with that." Steve Perry said that. That makes him the model of hypocrisy.

The fact that he got paid an equal share leads me to believe that they had to buy out his share of the corporation and he wasn't willing to do so without being an asshole or that he had wrestled majority control from Neal. At any rate, it shows a guy grasping to the past who is afraid of letting go of something for fear of being forgotten. He seems to have massive confidence issues and this is a glaring example of him taking extreme measures to ensure that he's not forgotten. No wonder people call his fans "loons." He's the very definition of that term.

+1.

The only way that Perry's actions would be remotely ethical is if Journey has received/or will receive money from his tours, since the majority of the setlist was Journey songs.

And even then, they don't deserve money when he tours, and vice versa.

Sorry, this isn't justifiable.

This was a contentious divorce in the truest sense of the word, and SP reacted like the wife whose husband is leaving her for another woman. It's not about ethics or who deserves what. It's about I'm going to punish that SOB. I'm going to take him for everything he's worth. I gave him the best years of my life and now that bastard is leaving me for someone else. I'm not saying it's right, I'm just saying...

Probably.

[YoungJRNY]

That's your opinion. Who's to say if he DESERVES it. It's just opinion. But Neal must have thought he deserved it. He had to sign the agreement.

Deserve or not is opinion. The fact is, he's getting paid. Wonder if Neal got paid when SMFP played Journey songs on the FTLOSM tour? Hmm......

You've all but sealed something I've long maintained. Perry can't let go of the past. Whether it was Journey trying to move on without him when he wouldn't tour anymore or him asking them to change the name, it's all about him grasping at whatever straw he can to live vicariously through their touring or trying to "one up" them by getting an equal share, and winning some small battle in his troubled mind. Funny how he didn't care if Journey changed their name when he joined and they ousted Fleischmann. And you need to take a look at TNC's signature. I believe it says "The very name Journey implies change and have to go with that." Steve Perry said that. That makes him the model of hypocrisy.

The fact that he got paid an equal share leads me to believe that they had to buy out his share of the corporation and he wasn't willing to do so without being an asshole or that he had wrestled majority control from Neal. At any rate, it shows a guy grasping to the past who is afraid of letting go of something for fear of being forgotten. He seems to have massive confidence issues and this is a glaring example of him taking extreme measures to ensure that he's not forgotten. No wonder people call his fans "loons." He's the very definition of that term.

+1.

The only way that Perry's actions would be remotely ethical is if Journey has received/or will receive money from his tours, since the majority of the setlist was Journey songs.

And even then, they don't deserve money when he tours, and vice versa.

Sorry, this isn't justifiable.

This was a contentious divorce in the truest sense of the word, and SP reacted like the wife whose husband is leaving her for another woman. It's not about ethics or who deserves what. It's about I'm going to punish that SOB. I'm going to take him for everything he's worth. I gave him the best years of my life and now that bastard is leaving me for someone else. I'm not saying it's right, I'm just saying...

But what the court doesn't know, is that the husband stuck with the wife for a year and a half awaiting her decision to see if she was going to stay with him or not, thus forcing the dude to move on eventually and leaving the woman with a win/win situation, whichever way it turned out.

[Peartree12249]

That's your opinion. Who's to say if he DESERVES it. It's just opinion. But Neal must have thought he deserved it. He had to sign the agreement.

Deserve or not is opinion. The fact is, he's getting paid. Wonder if Neal got paid when SMFP played Journey songs on the FTLOSM tour? Hmm......

You've all but sealed something I've long maintained. Perry can't let go of the past. Whether it was Journey trying to move on without him when he wouldn't tour anymore or him asking them to change the name, it's all about him grasping at whatever straw he can to live vicariously through their touring or trying to "one up" them by getting an equal share, and winning some small battle in his troubled mind. Funny how he didn't care if Journey changed their name when he joined and they ousted Fleischmann. And you need to take a look at TNC's signature. I believe it says "The very name Journey implies change and have to go with that." Steve Perry said that. That makes him the model of hypocrisy.

The fact that he got paid an equal share leads me to believe that they had to buy out his share of the corporation and he wasn't willing to do so without being an asshole or that he had wrestled majority control from Neal. At any rate, it shows a guy grasping to the past who is afraid of letting go of something for fear of being forgotten. He seems to have massive confidence issues and this is a glaring example of him taking extreme measures to ensure that he's not forgotten. No wonder people call his fans "loons." He's the very definition of that term.

+1.

The only way that Perry's actions would be remotely ethical is if Journey has received/or will receive money from his tours, since the majority of the setlist was Journey songs.

And even then, they don't deserve money when he tours, and vice versa.

Sorry, this isn't justifiable.

This was a contentious divorce in the truest sense of the word, and SP reacted like the wife whose husband is leaving her for another woman. It's not about ethics or who deserves what. It's about I'm going to punish that SOB. I'm going to take him for everything he's worth. I gave him the best years of my life and now that bastard is leaving me for someone else. I'm not saying it's right, I'm just saying...

Probably.

You know I was just thinking that when SP had Neal fire Ross and Steve, Neal insisted that they still get paid their shares from the ROR tour. So maybe SP felt that since he was fired he deserved it as well. I also can't imagine that SP would get paid an equal share in perpetuity. I would think there is a cuttoff date at some point. I thought I remembered reading it somewhere but I'm not sure.

[Gideon]

That's your opinion. Who's to say if he DESERVES it. It's just opinion. But Neal must have thought he deserved it. He had to sign the agreement.

Deserve or not is opinion. The fact is, he's getting paid. Wonder if Neal got paid when SMFP played Journey songs on the FTLOSM tour? Hmm......

You've all but sealed something I've long maintained. Perry can't let go of the past. Whether it was Journey trying to move on without him when he wouldn't tour anymore or him asking them to change the name, it's all about him grasping at whatever straw he can to live vicariously through their touring or trying to "one up" them by getting an equal share, and winning some small battle in his troubled mind. Funny how he didn't care if Journey changed their name when he joined and they ousted Fleischmann. And you need to take a look at TNC's signature. I believe it says "The very name Journey implies change and have to go with that." Steve Perry said that. That makes him the model of hypocrisy.

The fact that he got paid an equal share leads me to believe that they had to buy out his share of the corporation and he wasn't willing to do so without being an asshole or that he had wrestled majority control from Neal. At any rate, it shows a guy grasping to the past who is afraid of letting go of something for fear of being forgotten. He seems to have massive confidence issues and this is a glaring example of him taking extreme measures to ensure that he's not forgotten. No wonder people call his fans "loons." He's the very definition of that term.

+1.

The only way that Perry's actions would be remotely ethical is if Journey has received/or will receive money from his tours, since the majority of the setlist was Journey songs.

And even then, they don't deserve money when he tours, and vice versa.

Sorry, this isn't justifiable.

This was a contentious divorce in the truest sense of the word, and SP reacted like the wife whose husband is leaving her for another woman. It's not about ethics or who deserves what. It's about I'm going to punish that SOB. I'm going to take him for everything he's worth. I gave him the best years of my life and now that bastard is leaving me for someone else. I'm not saying it's right, I'm just saying...

Probably.

You know I was just thinking that when SP had Neal fire Ross and Steve, Neal insisted that they still get paid their shares from the ROR tour. So maybe SP felt that since he was fired he deserved it as well. I also can't imagine that SP would get paid an equal share in perpetuity. I would think there is a cuttoff date at some point. I thought I remembered reading it somewhere but I'm not sure.

It was Herbie, actually, who insisted they get paid.

[Ehwmatt]

Gee, who would have thought this thread would have degenerated into another Perry vs Schon/Cain debate. Totally unpredictable

[Gideon]

Gee, who would have thought this thread would have degenerated into another Perry vs Schon/Cain debate. Totally unpredictable

I can practically feel the intensity of your glare.

Don't worry, we can cease this discussion for another day.

[YoungJRNY]

Gee, who would have thought this thread would have degenerated into another Perry vs Schon/Cain debate. Totally unpredictable

When in doubt, blame it on madsplash

[Babyblue]

Gee, who would have thought this thread would have degenerated into another Perry vs Schon/Cain debate. Totally unpredictable

When in doubt, blame it on madsplash

Madsplash is not that bad.He may very well be right.As for Perry & the rest we were not around when they were breaking up the band.So we only know what they want us to know.JMO!

[SherriBerry]

That's your opinion. Who's to say if he DESERVES it. It's just opinion. But Neal must have thought he deserved it. He had to sign the agreement.

Deserve or not is opinion. The fact is, he's getting paid. Wonder if Neal got paid when SMFP played Journey songs on the FTLOSM tour? Hmm......

You've all but sealed something I've long maintained. Perry can't let go of the past. Whether it was Journey trying to move on without him when he wouldn't tour anymore or him asking them to change the name, it's all about him grasping at whatever straw he can to live vicariously through their touring or trying to "one up" them by getting an equal share, and winning some small battle in his troubled mind. Funny how he didn't care if Journey changed their name when he joined and they ousted Fleischmann. And you need to take a look at TNC's signature. I believe it says "The very name Journey implies change and have to go with that." Steve Perry said that. That makes him the model of hypocrisy.

The fact that he got paid an equal share leads me to believe that they had to buy out his share of the corporation and he wasn't willing to do so without being an asshole or that he had wrestled majority control from Neal. At any rate, it shows a guy grasping to the past who is afraid of letting go of something for fear of being forgotten. He seems to have massive confidence issues and this is a glaring example of him taking extreme measures to ensure that he's not forgotten. No wonder people call his fans "loons." He's the very definition of that term.

Unbelievable - you have absolutely no knowledge of the business contracts or agreements between Steve Perry and the other members of Journey, but that doesn't stop you from making ignorant, vitriolic comments. Have you not considered that when a partner in a company wishes to end that partnership, the other partners buy out his share of the company? In this case it is unlikely that the other members would have had the money or assets to buy SP's share outright given what is known and published regarding their relative financial situations, so there is also the possibility that the equal share of touring money has to do with the buyout.

No, it doesn't seem fair that Journey is touring and SP makes money, but we have no knowledge of why this was part of the agreement and for how long this is in effect, so there is nothing upon which to base a judgment regarding whether it is fair. Not that it would stop you. Your speculations are ridiculous and no longer funny. You may want to consider that if SP ever rejoined Journey, you won't see them, because he'll probably have your picture posted at every security point . If the terms were unreasonable, I would like to know and would be the first to say so, but without knowing the details, there is no basis to render an informed, objective opinion.

The only insider information I am aware of regarding the ownership of Journey was from Jeremey and he learned it from those who watched it go down. Herbie tried to take full ownership of the band around 1983-84 and the only person who fought him and kept ownership for the band members was Steve Perry. Jeremey stated emphatically that if it weren't for Perry, the band (including Neal) would not own Journey and they would be out there working for Herbie.

Since this started as an appreciation thread for Neal, it would be nice if we could focus on praising the guy's talent and music and for once just leave SP out of it.

[steveo777]

That's your opinion. Who's to say if he DESERVES it. It's just opinion. But Neal must have thought he deserved it. He had to sign the agreement.

Deserve or not is opinion. The fact is, he's getting paid. Wonder if Neal got paid when SMFP played Journey songs on the FTLOSM tour? Hmm......

You've all but sealed something I've long maintained. Perry can't let go of the past. Whether it was Journey trying to move on without him when he wouldn't tour anymore or him asking them to change the name, it's all about him grasping at whatever straw he can to live vicariously through their touring or trying to "one up" them by getting an equal share, and winning some small battle in his troubled mind. Funny how he didn't care if Journey changed their name when he joined and they ousted Fleischmann. And you need to take a look at TNC's signature. I believe it says "The very name Journey implies change and have to go with that." Steve Perry said that. That makes him the model of hypocrisy.

The fact that he got paid an equal share leads me to believe that they had to buy out his share of the corporation and he wasn't willing to do so without being an asshole or that he had wrestled majority control from Neal. At any rate, it shows a guy grasping to the past who is afraid of letting go of something for fear of being forgotten. He seems to have massive confidence issues and this is a glaring example of him taking extreme measures to ensure that he's not forgotten. No wonder people call his fans "loons." He's the very definition of that term.

Unbelievable - you have absolutely no knowledge of the business contracts or agreements between Steve Perry and the other members of Journey, but that doesn't stop you from making ignorant, vitriolic comments. Have you not considered that when a partner in a company wishes to end that partnership, the other partners buy out his share of the company? In this case it is unlikely that the other members would have had the money or assets to buy SP's share outright given what is known and published regarding their relative financial situations, so there is also the possibility that the equal share of touring money has to do with the buyout.

No, it doesn't seem fair that Journey is touring and SP makes money, but we have no knowledge of why this was part of the agreement and for how long this is in effect, so there is nothing upon which to base a judgment regarding whether it is fair. Not that it would stop you. Your speculations are ridiculous and no longer funny. You may want to consider that if SP ever rejoined Journey, you won't see them, because he'll probably have your picture posted at every security point . If the terms were unreasonable, I would like to know and would be the first to say so, but without knowing the details, there is no basis to render an informed opinion.

The only insider information I am aware of regarding the ownership of Journey was from Jeremey and he learned it from those who watched it go down. Herbie tried to take full ownership of the band around 1983-84 and the only person who fought him and kept ownership for the band members was Steve Perry. He stated emphatically that if it weren't for Perry, the band (including Neal) would not own Journey and they would be out there working for Herbie.

Since this started as an appreciation thread for Neal, it would be nice if we could focus on praising the guy's talent and music and for once just leave SP out of it.

Unless you can post absolute links to your claims, I can't believe all of it. I find it hard to believe, for one, that the innerworkings of the Journey pay program would be available anywhere for public consumption. There has been so much shit spewed about over the years, who knows what the hell happened, for sure? But, maybe this is why Neal Schon is still working....spousal support, ya know. Hell, I hope, if this is the case, his newest girlfriend knows what she got into......she might just be supporting him before long.

[SherriBerry]

That's your opinion. Who's to say if he DESERVES it. It's just opinion. But Neal must have thought he deserved it. He had to sign the agreement.

Deserve or not is opinion. The fact is, he's getting paid. Wonder if Neal got paid when SMFP played Journey songs on the FTLOSM tour? Hmm......

You've all but sealed something I've long maintained. Perry can't let go of the past. Whether it was Journey trying to move on without him when he wouldn't tour anymore or him asking them to change the name, it's all about him grasping at whatever straw he can to live vicariously through their touring or trying to "one up" them by getting an equal share, and winning some small battle in his troubled mind. Funny how he didn't care if Journey changed their name when he joined and they ousted Fleischmann. And you need to take a look at TNC's signature. I believe it says "The very name Journey implies change and have to go with that." Steve Perry said that. That makes him the model of hypocrisy.

The fact that he got paid an equal share leads me to believe that they had to buy out his share of the corporation and he wasn't willing to do so without being an asshole or that he had wrestled majority control from Neal. At any rate, it shows a guy grasping to the past who is afraid of letting go of something for fear of being forgotten. He seems to have massive confidence issues and this is a glaring example of him taking extreme measures to ensure that he's not forgotten. No wonder people call his fans "loons." He's the very definition of that term.

Unbelievable - you have absolutely no knowledge of the business contracts or agreements between Steve Perry and the other members of Journey, but that doesn't stop you from making ignorant, vitriolic comments. Have you not considered that when a partner in a company wishes to end that partnership, the other partners buy out his share of the company? In this case it is unlikely that the other members would have had the money or assets to buy SP's share outright given what is known and published regarding their relative financial situations, so there is also the possibility that the equal share of touring money has to do with the buyout.

No, it doesn't seem fair that Journey is touring and SP makes money, but we have no knowledge of why this was part of the agreement and for how long this is in effect, so there is nothing upon which to base a judgment regarding whether it is fair. Not that it would stop you. Your speculations are ridiculous and no longer funny. You may want to consider that if SP ever rejoined Journey, you won't see them, because he'll probably have your picture posted at every security point . If the terms were unreasonable, I would like to know and would be the first to say so, but without knowing the details, there is no basis to render an informed opinion.

The only insider information I am aware of regarding the ownership of Journey was from Jeremey and he learned it from those who watched it go down. Herbie tried to take full ownership of the band around 1983-84 and the only person who fought him and kept ownership for the band members was Steve Perry. He stated emphatically that if it weren't for Perry, the band (including Neal) would not own Journey and they would be out there working for Herbie.

Since this started as an appreciation thread for Neal, it would be nice if we could focus on praising the guy's talent and music and for once just leave SP out of it.

Unless you can post absolute links to your claims, I can't believe all of it. I find it hard to believe, for one, that the innerworkings of the Journey pay program would be available anywhere for public consumption. There has been so much shit spewed about over the years, who knows what the hell happened, for sure? But, maybe this is why Neal Schon is still working....spousal support, ya know. Hell, I hope, if this is the case, his newest girlfriend knows what she got into......she might just be supporting him before long.

If you mean the financial situations of the band members, Herbie Herbert is on record as stating that Jonathan Cain barely escaped bankruptcy and Ross Valory did have to file for bankruptcy after making investments based on a 1985 tour that did not happen and JC's divorce from his then wife Tane. He also commented on the impact of Neal's divorces and the sale of the band's assets. Read Matt Carty's 'Castles Burning' interview: http://members.cox.net/mrcarty/index.html The statement is made in Part 4 - I don't make things up and I base my opinions on reliable sources. In this case, I would say their former manager knows what he is talking about and I have no reason to believe this particular information is untrue.

Jeremey's post is on this site and was commented on by more than a few discussing Herbie. My only "claim" is that we have no information regarding the settlement upon which to form a reasonable opinion as to whether it was fair. Based on Neal's feature interview in 'Guitar Player' magazine, I think he is still working because he loves it - he loves to tour and loves to play! I hope I get to see him on a solo tour someday too, because I love his music.

[maverick218]

:roll:

I like Neal's playing, but there's only one person with mutherfucker in the middle of his name. SMFP

Steve Perry doesn't deserve to have any swear words in his name.. esp that of MOTHER FUCKING. We haven't hear from the dick for a little over a decade now. Neal has been traveling the grueling roads while Perry sits at home tickling his anal making millions while Neal makes his worth like a real man.

Neal
Mother
Fucking
Schon

That reminds me; I reread the "Castles Burning" interview, and apparently Perry gets a percentage of what they make on the road (not royalties). Now I understand what Neal meant by "getting paid like a motherfucker even though he shouldn't."

That is a great interview- I still go back and read it from time to time.

[bluejeangirl76]

:roll:

I like Neal's playing, but there's only one person with mutherfucker in the middle of his name. SMFP

Steve Perry doesn't deserve to have any swear words in his name.. esp that of MOTHER FUCKING. We haven't heard from the dick for a little over a decade now.

'Scuse me. I'm the one who dubbed him that around here, and it is completely warranted. I don't care what he's doing now... he earned his MF years ago for bringing his vocal awesomeness to a band no one gave a shit about and turing into a multi-platinum moneymaker (and not a gold-hiding-in-platinum clothing decoy) .

But I don't disagree about Neal. That is one seriously talented MF right there.

[Rhiannon]

(and not a gold-hiding-in-platinum clothing decoy)

[stevew2]

I don't know if it was the camera or merely my laptop, but the recent videos from Hawaii give the appearance that he's been lifting weights. Judging from those videos and the pictures uploaded by Maui Tom et al., it seems like he's much healthier.

Neal was very buff in '98. We girls made a pact to ask if we could squeeze his bicep if we got to meet him.

don't even ask. of course I met him and of course I squeezed the bicep. duh.

here's the pic. '98-San Antonio



btw--Neal ALWAYS smiles and has a great time when certain girls are in da houze.

just sayin......

Who is that girl on your left?

[SF-Dano]

That's your opinion. Who's to say if he DESERVES it. It's just opinion. But Neal must have thought he deserved it. He had to sign the agreement.

Deserve or not is opinion. The fact is, he's getting paid. Wonder if Neal got paid when SMFP played Journey songs on the FTLOSM tour? Hmm......

You've all but sealed something I've long maintained. Perry can't let go of the past. Whether it was Journey trying to move on without him when he wouldn't tour anymore or him asking them to change the name, it's all about him grasping at whatever straw he can to live vicariously through their touring or trying to "one up" them by getting an equal share, and winning some small battle in his troubled mind. Funny how he didn't care if Journey changed their name when he joined and they ousted Fleischmann. And you need to take a look at TNC's signature. I believe it says "The very name Journey implies change and have to go with that." Steve Perry said that. That makes him the model of hypocrisy.

The fact that he got paid an equal share leads me to believe that they had to buy out his share of the corporation and he wasn't willing to do so without being an asshole or that he had wrestled majority control from Neal. At any rate, it shows a guy grasping to the past who is afraid of letting go of something for fear of being forgotten. He seems to have massive confidence issues and this is a glaring example of him taking extreme measures to ensure that he's not forgotten. No wonder people call his fans "loons." He's the very definition of that term.

+1.

The only way that Perry's actions would be remotely ethical is if Journey has received/or will receive money from his tours, since the majority of the setlist was Journey songs.

And even then, they don't deserve money when he tours, and vice versa.

Sorry, this isn't justifiable.

This was a contentious divorce in the truest sense of the word, and SP reacted like the wife whose husband is leaving her for another woman. It's not about ethics or who deserves what. It's about I'm going to punish that SOB. I'm going to take him for everything he's worth. I gave him the best years of my life and now that bastard is leaving me for someone else. I'm not saying it's right, I'm just saying...

But what the court doesn't know, is that the husband stuck with the wife for a year and a half awaiting her decision to see if she was going to stay with him or not, thus forcing the dude to move on eventually and leaving the woman with a win/win situation, whichever way it turned out.

Simple case of spousal abandonment. Spouse A left spouse B first for 10 years as spouse B flirted with others yet pined for the return of Spouse A. Then Spouse A returns and they are reunited and it feels so good. But, Spouse A again has problems and abandons spouse B, only this time Spouse B (having now been fooled twice) decides he won't be fooled again and decides to take the leap and start movin' on from spouse A for good (even though he tells himself "there is still a small place in your heart for spouse A"). Nasty divorce follows, which must have taken place in California, since the abondoner, spouse A, gets alimonly from Spouse B for specific period of time. It is worth it, however, to spouse B to be able to continue his business using the established brand name. Not pretty, not right (IMO), but ain't that America.

(I think I read somewhere, and it may have been rumor, that Perry was getting a share of the touring revenue for 10 years and that time period had just expired in 2008. Like I said, it may have just been rumors in the air though.)

[FishinMagician]

so...where can i get one of those purple neal shirts ?

[YoungJRNY]

so...where can i get one of those purple neal shirts ?

Management should make them through their Journey website, but the purple shirt also consists of the black vest, like a built in shirt. Kind of like those goofy shirts that have a bow tie and suite type effect to it..

[Ehwmatt]

Hey Neal, if you're out there, can I have one of your signature LPs for free? Thanks.

[madsplash]

so...where can i get one of those purple neal shirts ?

Sorry man, but that S stands for STEVE.

As in STEVEMOTHERFUCKINPERRY.

[skinsguy]

I think what young fans need to remember is that while Journey is still out touring and yes, making new albums, they are still making the bulk of their money off of their past success from the dirty dozen of the late 70's and 80's. Which means, yes, they're still "working hard" to make that money off of past hits with someone else bringing the "legacy" (Perry) sound.

So while some of you guys can bag on Perry and ask "What has he done for me lately" may I remind you that because of Perry's voice, Neal and Jon went out to find guys like Steve Augeri and Arnel Pindea to carry on the legacy. If that was not the case, Neal and Jon would have just gotten any other house hold name of a singer regardless of pitch, tone, or whatever. Heck, they probably wouldn've have ever screwed over Jeff Scott Soto.

So, instead of trying to pretend that Perry was never an important aspect of the band, (which would be retarded to think such,) I think people need to respect all members, past and present who has helped to make this band great.

[Gideon]

I think what young fans need to remember is that while Journey is still out touring and yes, making new albums, they are still making the bulk of their money off of their past success from the dirty dozen of the late 70's and 80's. Which means, yes, they're still "working hard" to make that money off of past hits with someone else bringing the "legacy" (Perry) sound.

So while some of you guys can bag on Perry and ask "What has he done for me lately" may I remind you that because of Perry's voice, Neal and Jon went out to find guys like Steve Augeri and Arnel Pindea to carry on the legacy. If that was not the case, Neal and Jon would have just gotten any other house hold name of a singer regardless of pitch, tone, or whatever. Heck, they probably wouldn've have ever screwed over Jeff Scott Soto.

So, instead of trying to pretend that Perry was never an important aspect of the band, (which would be retarded to think such,) I think people need to respect all members, past and present who has helped to make this band great.

...

Jesus Christ.

Who said that?

[FishinMagician]

so...where can i get one of those purple neal shirts ?

Management should make them through their Journey website, but the purple shirt also consists of the black vest, like a built in shirt. Kind of like those goofy shirts that have a bow tie and suite type effect to it..

how could I forget the vest??? haha

[FishinMagician]

Hey Neal, if you're out there, can I have one of your signature LPs for free? Thanks.

make it two!!

[Babyblue]

I think what young fans need to remember is that while Journey is still out touring and yes, making new albums, they are still making the bulk of their money off of their past success from the dirty dozen of the late 70's and 80's. Which means, yes, they're still "working hard" to make that money off of past hits with someone else bringing the "legacy" (Perry) sound.

So while some of you guys can bag on Perry and ask "What has he done for me lately" may I remind you that because of Perry's voice, Neal and Jon went out to find guys like Steve Augeri and Arnel Pindea to carry on the legacy. If that was not the case, Neal and Jon would have just gotten any other house hold name of a singer regardless of pitch, tone, or whatever. Heck, they probably wouldn've have ever screwed over Jeff Scott Soto.

So, instead of trying to pretend that Perry was never an important aspect of the band, (which would be retarded to think such,) I think people need to respect all members, past and present who has helped to make this band great.

BRAVO,BRAVO

[FishinMagician]

I think what young fans need to remember is that while Journey is still out touring and yes, making new albums, they are still making the bulk of their money off of their past success from the dirty dozen of the late 70's and 80's. Which means, yes, they're still "working hard" to make that money off of past hits with someone else bringing the "legacy" (Perry) sound.

So while some of you guys can bag on Perry and ask "What has he done for me lately" may I remind you that because of Perry's voice, Neal and Jon went out to find guys like Steve Augeri and Arnel Pindea to carry on the legacy. If that was not the case, Neal and Jon would have just gotten any other house hold name of a singer regardless of pitch, tone, or whatever. Heck, they probably wouldn've have ever screwed over Jeff Scott Soto.

So, instead of trying to pretend that Perry was never an important aspect of the band, (which would be retarded to think such,) I think people need to respect all members, past and present who has helped to make this band great.

BRAVO,BRAVO

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