AP not to perform Journey tunes in RP without band

[Arkansas]

Wouldn't surprise me one bit if Perry was behind this somehow.


later~

[Rockindeano]

So AP isn't doing anything to get more famous or take credit on his own. Whatever he's doing, he's just doing it to make fans happy. It's very important not to come off snobby or stuck up over there. He's avoiding it by making them happy on demand. Filipino society is a very excited culture. They are just very excited to see him and he's excited to make them happy. I went through it, I know exactly what he's going through. Hope you can relate to what I'm saying.

I agree with everything you said here...look, this is about brand and brand name. Journey is supposed to carry a lot of weight with it's name. it sure as Hell used to, but lately there isn't much weight at all associated wit the name. I know it's a fucking hypocrisy but Schon and Cain see Pineda on youtube fucking around with half assed musicians doing these one off shows singing Journey tunes. That's why they are pissed. On the other hand, Pineda, who holds all the cards as well as all the class in this band, is trying to make fans happy. See, he gets it. Pineda gets that the fans are the reason he is where he is and actually why Neal fucking Schon and Jon Friga made a nice living, but those two shitheads forgot long ago what it meant to return the gift to the fans. Pineda is fucked, because they pay him handsomely, and they are fucked if he ever gets a pair of balls and tells them to go fuck themselves. What would S+C then do? Call Hunsicker? LOl, I wouldn't put anything past these two douchebags.

I can't wait to read this Board when Perry sings songs without S +C. They are going to wet themselves.

[Rockindeano]

Wouldn't surprise me one bit if Perry was behind this somehow.


later~

WTF? He has class. He is too smart to ever go near this train wreck ever again.

[Red13JoePa]

Journey is supposed to carry a lot of weight with it's name. it sure as Hell used to, but lately there isn't much weight at all associated wit the name.

They're in better shape than they've been in since '86, ARGUABLY '83.

[Lora]

Wouldn't surprise me one bit if Perry was behind this somehow.


later~

What's wrong with everyone? No one brought up the "Steve Perry did it" theory until page 2 of the thread? Slackers.

[artist4perry]

Wouldn't surprise me one bit if Perry was behind this somehow.


later~

What's wrong with everyone? No one brought up the "Steve Perry did it" theory until page 2 of the thread? Slackers.

Steve was busy dialing the "Kitty Punchers Anon. Hotline" this time.

[Rockindeano]

Journey is supposed to carry a lot of weight with it's name. it sure as Hell used to, but lately there isn't much weight at all associated wit the name.

They're in better shape than they've been in since '86, ARGUABLY '83.

LOL. You had me at "since 86" but then you went all George W Bush on me with your ridiculous "since 83" smack. They were actually a force in music in '83. They aren't exactly a force in 2009 dude.

[Red13JoePa]

Journey is supposed to carry a lot of weight with it's name. it sure as Hell used to, but lately there isn't much weight at all associated wit the name.

They're in better shape than they've been in since '86, ARGUABLY '83.

LOL. You had me at "since 86" but then you went all George W Bush on me with your ridiculous "since 83" smack. They were actually a force in music in '83. They aren't exactly a force in 2009 dude.

Revelation's outsold a lot of people, Coln. And Platinum now is like double or triple paltinum USED to be if you adjust the figures for day and age and theft/economy.
Look, your personal Deano-Approve-o-meter is of course running low (had been since just prior to Virginia 2006 when you declined to cross country for the show based on a bad feeling you had about the continuity of that lineup), AND you set a good deal of opinion here so many bash or just restort to the 5 millionth hackneyed Cain gay joke. But in the overall context they're in good shape.

[perryswoman]

Wouldn't surprise me one bit if Perry was behind this somehow.


later~

What's wrong with everyone? No one brought up the "Steve Perry did it" theory until page 2 of the thread? Slackers.

Haha good one Lora, again I say he just comes here every now and then to get a good laugh at the trainwreck!!

[Rockindeano]

Journey is supposed to carry a lot of weight with it's name. it sure as Hell used to, but lately there isn't much weight at all associated wit the name.

They're in better shape than they've been in since '86, ARGUABLY '83.

LOL. You had me at "since 86" but then you went all George W Bush on me with your ridiculous "since 83" smack. They were actually a force in music in '83. They aren't exactly a force in 2009 dude.

Revelation's outsold a lot of people, Coln. And Platinum now is like double or triple paltinum USED to be if you adjust the figures for day and age and theft/economy.
Look, your personal Deano-Approve-o-meter is of course running low (had been since just prior to Virginia 2006 when you declined to cross country for the show based on a bad feeling you had about the continuity of that lineup), AND you set a good deal of opinion here so many bash or just restort to the 5 millionth hackneyed Cain gay joke. But in the overall context they're in good shape.

Dude stop already. They didn't sell squat. They needed America's cheapest Big Box to move units and no, that is not platinum, regardless of what Journey tells you to believe. A true DOUBLE album that sells 500,000 units is platinum. Throwing a fucked up piece of trash rerecord disc in there as well as a token live Vegas disc does not constitute a true double album, especially when they sold this garbage for 7 bucks and change. But hey, if you need this piece of good will to hang onto to make you feel good about the current day debacle that is Journey to make you feel good, then more power to you.

Please tell me how "platinum now is like triple platinum used to be?" That means Taylor Swift should have a 10 million unit indicator next to her name on Billboard charts huh?

[Ehwmatt]

Journey is supposed to carry a lot of weight with it's name. it sure as Hell used to, but lately there isn't much weight at all associated wit the name.

They're in better shape than they've been in since '86, ARGUABLY '83.

LOL. You had me at "since 86" but then you went all George W Bush on me with your ridiculous "since 83" smack. They were actually a force in music in '83. They aren't exactly a force in 2009 dude.

Revelation's outsold a lot of people, Coln. And Platinum now is like double or triple paltinum USED to be if you adjust the figures for day and age and theft/economy.
Look, your personal Deano-Approve-o-meter is of course running low (had been since just prior to Virginia 2006 when you declined to cross country for the show based on a bad feeling you had about the continuity of that lineup), AND you set a good deal of opinion here so many bash or just restort to the 5 millionth hackneyed Cain gay joke. But in the overall context they're in good shape.

Dude stop already. They didn't sell squat. They needed America's cheapest Big Box to move units and no, that is not platinum, regardless of what Journey tells you to believe. A true DOUBLE album that sells 500,000 units is platinum. Throwing a fucked up piece of trash rerecord disc in there as well as a token live Vegas disc does not constitute a true double album, especially when they sold this garbage for 7 bucks and change. But hey, if you need this piece of good will to hang onto to make you feel good about the current day debacle that is Journey to make you feel good, then more power to you.

Please tell me how "platinum now is like triple platinum used to be?" That means Taylor Swift should have a 10 million unit indicator next to her name on Billboard charts huh?

Where's your avatar?

[Red13JoePa]

Well Deano, before release we were told that Disc 2 of Revelations is what would sink the album out of disgust of the purists but that didn't happen so now it's blamed by bashers as the reason for Platinum certification, which btw has ALWAYS been 500k moved for a double album, despite 2 Billboard hit singles from Disc 1, After All These Years and Where Did I Lose Your Love?

[Rockindeano]

Well Deano, before release we were told that Disc 2 of Revelations is what would sink the album out of disgust of the purists but that didn't happen so now it's blamed by bashers as the reason for Platinum certification, which btw has ALWAYS been 500k moved for a double album, despite 2 Billboard hit singles from Disc 1, After All These Years and Where Did I Lose Your Love?

No one said the inclusion of the rerecords would sink this cd. The rerecords is a garbage move, plain and simple. I say shame on Pineda for even singing on them for commercial release, then saying he respects Steve Perry. Fuck him for that.

LOL, you think any "purists" aka, Perry fans bought this hunk of shit? Duuuuude.

Secondly, you are telling me After All These years and Where Did I lose Your Love are charted singles on Billboard? LOl, you must be on coke tonight. I know you will cite Elderly Contemporary 25 and Vintage Rock Acts Charts for these, but they are hardly singles.

Give it up already.

PS- You aren't listening. A TRUE Double CD is supposed to be new material, not rehashed rerecords. Cheap. Fits Journey now doesn't it?

[Red13JoePa]

The rerecords is a garbage move, plain and simple. I say shame on Pineda for even singing on them for commercial release, then saying he respects Steve Perry. Fuck him for that.

Jesus, Dean we rip Scarab Gator for posting like he might worry "who" is reading (tebow's people) and here you are, THE NUMBER ONE former perry basher of the board trying to sell posts like this....tsk tsk..
If you and your backers in this campaign think D2 was a garbage manuever than the third lead singer (behind Rolie and Flieschman) should have opted to keep going @ Trial By Fire or perhaps not put Journey through the ensuing gag orders, permission slips and equal road play causes and then it might not have COME to Revelation D2.

I still think it would have, but still...

PS and stop blaming the exclusive licensing deal w/ WalMart as the other main huge reason behind Reveleation's succeess. EVERYbody can sell at Walmart but also everywhere ELSE if they feel like it (unless Walmart approaches them w/ a deal and they agree like the case of Revelation) so if anything Journey puts itself at a DISadvantage out o fthe chute gambling by agreeing to the Walmart only deal but both parties were willing and it worked out with only ONE retailer selling the album, rendering the sales success even more impressive.

[RobbieG]

Journey is supposed to carry a lot of weight with it's name. it sure as Hell used to, but lately there isn't much weight at all associated wit the name.

They're in better shape than they've been in since '86, ARGUABLY '83.

LOL. You had me at "since 86" but then you went all George W Bush on me with your ridiculous "since 83" smack. They were actually a force in music in '83. They aren't exactly a force in 2009 dude.

Revelation's outsold a lot of people, Coln. And Platinum now is like double or triple paltinum USED to be if you adjust the figures for day and age and theft/economy.
Look, your personal Deano-Approve-o-meter is of course running low (had been since just prior to Virginia 2006 when you declined to cross country for the show based on a bad feeling you had about the continuity of that lineup), AND you set a good deal of opinion here so many bash or just restort to the 5 millionth hackneyed Cain gay joke. But in the overall context they're in good shape.

Dude stop already. They didn't sell squat. They needed America's cheapest Big Box to move units and no, that is not platinum, regardless of what Journey tells you to believe. A true DOUBLE album that sells 500,000 units is platinum. Throwing a fucked up piece of trash rerecord disc in there as well as a token live Vegas disc does not constitute a true double album, especially when they sold this garbage for 7 bucks and change. But hey, if you need this piece of good will to hang onto to make you feel good about the current day debacle that is Journey to make you feel good, then more power to you.

Please tell me how "platinum now is like triple platinum used to be?" That means Taylor Swift should have a 10 million unit indicator next to her name on Billboard charts huh?

Dean still whining. No one cares what you think about the band.

[Voyager]

Please tell me how "platinum now is like triple platinum used to be?"

It's kind of like 60 is the new 30.

[annie89509]

Haha, just like old times, Deano & JoePa going at it like bulls in a china shop. The other good matchup is --was-- TNC & RVR or TNC vs CPDave. Where are those guys?

[Since 78]

Well Deano, before release we were told that Disc 2 of Revelations is what would sink the album out of disgust of the purists but that didn't happen so now it's blamed by bashers as the reason for Platinum certification, which btw has ALWAYS been 500k moved for a double album, despite 2 Billboard hit singles from Disc 1, After All These Years and Where Did I Lose Your Love?

No one said the inclusion of the rerecords would sink this cd. The rerecords is a garbage move, plain and simple. I say shame on Pineda for even singing on them for commercial release, then saying he respects Steve Perry. Fuck him for that.

LOL, you think any "purists" aka, Perry fans bought this hunk of shit? Duuuuude.

Secondly, you are telling me After All These years and Where Did I lose Your Love are charted singles on Billboard? LOl, you must be on coke tonight. I know you will cite Elderly Contemporary 25 and Vintage Rock Acts Charts for these, but they are hardly singles.

Give it up already.

PS- You aren't listening. A TRUE Double CD is supposed to be new material, not rehashed rerecords. Cheap. Fits Journey now doesn't it?

Yep, at least I did. And I like the re recorded version of OTY better than the original!

[stevew2]

Well Deano, before release we were told that Disc 2 of Revelations is what would sink the album out of disgust of the purists but that didn't happen so now it's blamed by bashers as the reason for Platinum certification, which btw has ALWAYS been 500k moved for a double album, despite 2 Billboard hit singles from Disc 1, After All These Years and Where Did I Lose Your Love?

No one said the inclusion of the rerecords would sink this cd. The rerecords is a garbage move, plain and simple. I say shame on Pineda for even singing on them for commercial release, then saying he respects Steve Perry. Fuck him for that.

LOL, you think any "purists" aka, Perry fans bought this hunk of shit? Duuuuude.

Secondly, you are telling me After All These years and Where Did I lose Your Love are charted singles on Billboard? LOl, you must be on coke tonight. I know you will cite Elderly Contemporary 25 and Vintage Rock Acts Charts for these, but they are hardly singles.

Give it up already.

PS- You aren't listening. A TRUE Double CD is supposed to be new material, not rehashed rerecords. Cheap. Fits Journey now doesn't it?

Yep, at least I did. And I like the re recorded version of OTY better than the original!

Not better than the original,but better since than{ Live if ya know what i mean

[stevew2]

So AP isn't doing anything to get more famous or take credit on his own. Whatever he's doing, he's just doing it to make fans happy. It's very important not to come off snobby or stuck up over there. He's avoiding it by making them happy on demand. Filipino society is a very excited culture. They are just very excited to see him and he's excited to make them happy. I went through it, I know exactly what he's going through. Hope you can relate to what I'm saying.

I agree with everything you said here...look, this is about brand and brand name. Journey is supposed to carry a lot of weight with it's name. it sure as Hell used to, but lately there isn't much weight at all associated wit the name. I know it's a fucking hypocrisy but Schon and Cain see Pineda on youtube fucking around with half assed musicians doing these one off shows singing Journey tunes. That's why they are pissed. On the other hand, Pineda, who holds all the cards as well as all the class in this band, is trying to make fans happy. See, he gets it. Pineda gets that the fans are the reason he is where he is and actually why Neal fucking Schon and Jon Friga made a nice living, but those two shitheads forgot long ago what it meant to return the gift to the fans. Pineda is fucked, because they pay him handsomely, and they are fucked if he ever gets a pair of balls and tells them to go fuck themselves. What would S+C then do? Call Hunsicker? LOl, I wouldn't put anything past these two douchebags.

I can't wait to read this Board when Perry sings songs without S +C. They are going to wet themselves.

They both have Jeremeys cell phone number on their phones,they would do it in a heart beat,thats what they did with Jeff,he wouldnt be frigas bitch so you know how it goes.

[Arkansas]

... look, this is about brand and brand name. ...

This is it plain & simple. No one in the band should be out there doing sub-par performances. It weakens it. It cheapens it. It basically pirates it. The band is simply saying that Journey needs to be official Journey. Fish, fight or f~ck, the real band needs to be the only ones playing it, and their current singer doesn't need to be out there whoring their legacy.

And yes, it wouldn't surprise me if Perry's lawyers are thinking the same.


later~

[Voyager]

Perry be pimpin.

[The Sushi Hunter]

So AP isn't doing anything to get more famous or take credit on his own. Whatever he's doing, he's just doing it to make fans happy. It's very important not to come off snobby or stuck up over there. He's avoiding it by making them happy on demand. Filipino society is a very excited culture. They are just very excited to see him and he's excited to make them happy. I went through it, I know exactly what he's going through. Hope you can relate to what I'm saying.

I agree with everything you said here...look, this is about brand and brand name. Journey is supposed to carry a lot of weight with it's name. it sure as Hell used to, but lately there isn't much weight at all associated wit the name. I know it's a fucking hypocrisy but Schon and Cain see Pineda on youtube fucking around with half assed musicians doing these one off shows singing Journey tunes. That's why they are pissed. On the other hand, Pineda, who holds all the cards as well as all the class in this band, is trying to make fans happy. See, he gets it. Pineda gets that the fans are the reason he is where he is and actually why Neal fucking Schon and Jon Friga made a nice living, but those two shitheads forgot long ago what it meant to return the gift to the fans. Pineda is fucked, because they pay him handsomely, and they are fucked if he ever gets a pair of balls and tells them to go fuck themselves. What would S+C then do? Call Hunsicker? LOl, I wouldn't put anything past these two douchebags.

I can't wait to read this Board when Perry sings songs without S +C. They are going to wet themselves.

Your right about the brand and name. AP shouldn't sing the Journey tunes in the situations where people are making revenue from him doing it like on televised peformances and whatnot. I would say if someone just on the spot asks him to sing a few lines, that's one thing, but if they are having him up on stage singing full on with a live band or karaoke tape, I'd say no to that.

[Don]

So AP isn't doing anything to get more famous or take credit on his own. Whatever he's doing, he's just doing it to make fans happy. It's very important not to come off snobby or stuck up over there. He's avoiding it by making them happy on demand. Filipino society is a very excited culture. They are just very excited to see him and he's excited to make them happy. I went through it, I know exactly what he's going through. Hope you can relate to what I'm saying.

I agree with everything you said here...look, this is about brand and brand name. Journey is supposed to carry a lot of weight with it's name. it sure as Hell used to, but lately there isn't much weight at all associated wit the name. I know it's a fucking hypocrisy but Schon and Cain see Pineda on youtube fucking around with half assed musicians doing these one off shows singing Journey tunes. That's why they are pissed. On the other hand, Pineda, who holds all the cards as well as all the class in this band, is trying to make fans happy. See, he gets it. Pineda gets that the fans are the reason he is where he is and actually why Neal fucking Schon and Jon Friga made a nice living, but those two shitheads forgot long ago what it meant to return the gift to the fans. Pineda is fucked, because they pay him handsomely, and they are fucked if he ever gets a pair of balls and tells them to go fuck themselves. What would S+C then do? Call Hunsicker? LOl, I wouldn't put anything past these two douchebags.

I can't wait to read this Board when Perry sings songs without S +C. They are going to wet themselves.

With the exception of Faithfully, Perry has a writing credit on everything else. He said before that if he wrote it, he'll sing it. He's getting paid royalties so why not. Lets face it, with The GH, Time3, the Essential Journey and numerous Japanese compilation dics out there, you got something like 30 million plus Greatest Hits CDs out there with Perry's voice, not to mention every A/C station in America playing Journey twice a day with Steve on vocals. No one would have a problem with him singing Journey songs except the Band itself.

Now that the re-records are released, all bets are off when it comes to the sanctity of the older catalog.

Shit, pull out protools and create another greatest hits package for Sony ala Dennis DeYoung and Peter Cetera. Steve Perry presents the music of Journey.

[steveo777]

Damn, most O you guys are really a pain in the ass. This whole thread is just fodder for all the bullshit that has gone on in the previous lines and page. Ok, so papa reminded Arnel where his bread comes from. He'll get it. Now, the show will go on. Go Journey, Go Arnel. It's not going to be a bigger deal than it already was. All good puppies need a smack-down once in a while. And the call Jeremy, call Jesus, bs is just that. That won't happen. Oh, and one other thing, RD, fuck off...you remind me of a salivating vulture waiting for something to die so you can go strip it's skin and eat it's guts....or fuck it's skull. In the case of Journey, by the time they are ready to die, the vultures will be zoned in on your old, wrinkly, balding head.

[Voyager]

Damn, most O you guys are really a pain in the ass. This whole thread is just fodder for all the bullshit that has gone on in the previous lines and page. Ok, so papa reminded Arnel where his bread comes from. He'll get it. Now, the show will go on. Go Journey, Go Arnel. It's not going to be a bigger deal than it already was. All good puppies need a smack-down once in a while. And the call Jeremy, call Jesus, bs is just that. That won't happen. Oh, and one other thing, RD, fuck off...you remind me of a salivating vulture waiting for something to die so you can go strip it's skin and eat it's guts....or fuck it's skull. In the case of Journey, by the time they are ready to die, the vultures will be zoned in on your old, wrinkly, balding head.

Wow - nothing like putting a positive spin on things.

[steveo777]

Damn, most O you guys are really a pain in the ass. This whole thread is just fodder for all the bullshit that has gone on in the previous lines and page. Ok, so papa reminded Arnel where his bread comes from. He'll get it. Now, the show will go on. Go Journey, Go Arnel. It's not going to be a bigger deal than it already was. All good puppies need a smack-down once in a while. And the call Jeremy, call Jesus, bs is just that. That won't happen. Oh, and one other thing, RD, fuck off...you remind me of a salivating vulture waiting for something to die so you can go strip it's skin and eat it's guts....or fuck it's skull. In the case of Journey, by the time they are ready to die, the vultures will be zoned in on your old, wrinkly, balding head.

Wow - nothing like putting a positive spin on things.

Please don't thank me...it's what I do best. Oh and BTW, I never take or expect to be taken seriously on the internet. It's just full of malcontents like us.

[artist4perry]

Haha, just like old times, Deano & JoePa going at it like bulls in a china shop. The other good matchup is --was-- TNC & RVR or TNC vs CPDave. Where are those guys?

Political thread........ More fodder to fight over.

[strangegrey]

Well Deano, before release we were told that Disc 2 of Revelations is what would sink the album out of disgust of the purists but that didn't happen so now it's blamed by bashers as the reason for Platinum certification, which btw has ALWAYS been 500k moved for a double album, despite 2 Billboard hit singles from Disc 1, After All These Years and Where Did I Lose Your Love?

Bullshit. With respect to my past comments regarding the retreads, these are words in my mouth.

I have never said the retreads would sink the album.

However, it is without dispute that the retreads significantly cheapened the legitimacy of any sales-based accolades thrust onto Revelation, by the band or anyone else. I also said that the retreads would have ZERO bearing on the significant majority of album sales. Any uncle fucker that walks in here and says they bought the record for the retreads is just being a cocksucker that's trying to counter my point.....so I'm calling you gay-douchelickers out before you can claim it.

While double albums have been counted this way for as long as anyone can remember, there haven't been many double albums out there that have charted with a second disc filled with shittily rerecorded tracks from yesteryear slapped together in a band member's home studio sung by a soundalike. In fact, I'd bet my left testicle (doesn't really work as intended anymore, so take that for what its worth) that the basic tracks on these retreads were completed before Pinada was a cockstain on the Journey landscape. All they had to do was drag the punk into Friga's yeast-infected cave studio and make him choke out a few overdubs.


Then, when you consider the fact that while the first disc contains some legitimately excellent songs, the are a significant amount of the record that should have been left in the augeri era....and not dredged up, bilge pumped and spit shined as new material. Also, I don't think I could use the term "Billboard hit single" as easily as you. Bump into any crusty housewife on the road...and play any "hit" track from the Rev disc 1, hit or not, the *only* way they know that it's a Journey song (if at all) is that the guy sorta sounds like Perry. Not because they know the song. That to me, is a very good litmus test of what a "Hit" is and more importantly, here, what "isnt."

Finally, when you combine the above with Walmart's dirt cheap price to the purchase of this so called 'double' record....it spells for a cheap, illegitimate, and MOST significantly uncomparable account of album sales.

And just so we're playing fair....I consider Garth Brooks and The Eagles as guilty cheating fucks for this ploy too. However, there's a significant difference in that Garth or The Eagles aren't rerecording shitty versions of their songs for filler....or Garth isn't replaced by some guy in a cowbow hat from Turkey or Don Henley isn't replaced with Somali Pirate. These added two factors make it a cheap win, on journey's standards.

It would be like watching your favorite team win the superbowl, obviously cheating the whole way....while it was clear the whole game that if they didn't cheat, they'd get their fucking asses handed to them.

[strangegrey]

... look, this is about brand and brand name. ...

This is it plain & simple. No one in the band should be out there doing sub-par performances. It weakens it. It cheapens it. It basically pirates it. The band is simply saying that Journey needs to be official Journey. Fish, fight or f~ck, the real band needs to be the only ones playing it, and their current singer doesn't need to be out there whoring their legacy.

And yes, it wouldn't surprise me if Perry's lawyers are thinking the same.


later~

it's as simple as this. If I were Neal Schon...and I was watching the singer of my band go on stage with that diahrea-ridden excuse for a guitar player from the Zoo (who couldn't play his way out of my toilet), I'd ban the punk from singing Journey in Manila too...unless I was the one playing it with him.

You're protecting your band's interests.....